AP: About Obama’s “no pork” assertion…

posted at 8:55 am on February 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Barack Obama made the claim at least twice yesterday that the stimulus bill had no pork in it.   In his prime-time press conference, Obama almost angrily rejected the notion that the Generational Theft Act contained pork:

But what I — what I’ve been concerned about is some of the language that’s been used suggesting that this is full of pork and this is wasteful government spending, so on and so forth. …

But when they start characterizing this as pork without acknowledging that there are no earmarks in this package — something, again, that was pretty rare over the last eight years — then you get a feeling that maybe we’re playing politics instead of actually trying to solve problems for the American people.

And earlier in the day, during his Elkhart town-hall meeting:

And, listen, I know that there are a lot of folks out there who’ve been saying, “Oh, this is pork, and this is money that’s going to be wasted,” and et cetera, et cetera. Understand, this bill does not have a single earmark in it, which is unprecedented for a bill of this size, does not have a single earmark in it.

In a literal sense, that’s true — but only because the stimulus bill is essentially an Omnibus Earmark Package.  It consists entirely of local and state projects that would normally only get funded as earmarks on other appropriations.  Even the Associated Press calls shenanigans on this claim:

THE FACTS: There are no “earmarks,” as they are usually defined, inserted by lawmakers in the bill. Still, some of the projects bear the prime characteristics of pork – tailored to benefit specific interests or to have thinly disguised links to local projects.

For example, the latest version contains $2 billion for a clean-coal power plant with specifications matching one in Mattoon, Ill., $10 million for urban canals, $2 billion for manufacturing advanced batteries for hybrid cars, and $255 million for a polar icebreaker and other “priority procurements” by the Coast Guard.

And how did Obama sell this to the good folks in Elkhart?  By using the same, old, tired pork-barrel pledges he supposedly rejected:

Obama told his Elkhart audience that Indiana will benefit from work on “roads like U.S. 31 here in Indiana that Hoosiers count on.” He added: “And I know that a new overpass downtown would make a big difference for businesses and families right here in Elkhart.”

That’s pork, no matter what Obama calls it.  The stimulus package contains nothing but porky, wasteful spending, most of which has little chance of creating jobs within the first year, when jobs will be most needed.  Obama even sells it like pork.  If it looks like a pig, acts like a pig, gets sold as a pig, and stinks of pork, it’s not difficult to identify it.


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Liar

Rockygold on February 10, 2009 at 8:58 AM

Sheesh. His nose is going to grow as big as his giant ears.

anniekc on February 10, 2009 at 8:59 AM

If it looks like a pig, acts like a pig, gets sold as a pig, and stinks of pork, it’s not difficult to identify it.

Yup. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig. Ain’t that right, Barry.

ncc770 on February 10, 2009 at 9:00 AM

Were people bussed in to Elkhart to applaud the president? Elkhart County Indiana has about a 20% unemployment rate at this time.

Tommy_G on February 10, 2009 at 9:00 AM

Sheesh. His nose is going to grow as big as his giant ears.

anniekc on February 10, 2009 at 8:59 AM

If that had happened he wouldn’t have been good-looking enough to elect.

Aronne on February 10, 2009 at 9:01 AM

I’m going to say this again: I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time; never. These allegations are false, and I need to go back to work for the American people. Thank you.

Part II

darclon on February 10, 2009 at 9:02 AM

Go to http://www.stimuluswatch.org and look up your state. You’ll find oodles of specific projects. I found two hotels in Harrisburg, PA and a skate park in York. What the hell are these if not earmarks? Why are my kids being saddled with debt to pay for a freaking skate park in York, PA?

rockmom on February 10, 2009 at 9:02 AM

The irony of the RV visit: he will not allow drilling. It’s KILLING the RV business. I can’t believe those Elkharter’s put up with him.

ex-Democrat on February 10, 2009 at 9:03 AM

The pork is an annoyance to me, but not a major source of concern. It really just shows how unimportant this legislation is if they’re willing to toss in pet projects despite the impact it may have on the bill’s success.

Compared to the healthcare and welfare changes, the pork is just a minor inconvenience.

blankminde on February 10, 2009 at 9:03 AM

It all depends on what your definition of “is”, is…

Mark Garnett on February 10, 2009 at 9:04 AM

Notice the three states he has targeted:

VA, IN and FL.

artist on February 10, 2009 at 9:04 AM

This charlatan is and always has been a chronic liar, yet the mesmerized androids in this country elected him. The only hope for the nation is to effectively discredit him before it is too late.

rplat on February 10, 2009 at 9:04 AM

Notice how Obama keeps coming back to “the last eight years” justification for his spending?

Republicans bear a share of the blame – by participating in earmarks and voting to support the increased spending they did, it makes it harder to make an argument against this.

Obama is a liar, but a crafty one by using this tactic.

catmman on February 10, 2009 at 9:05 AM

Jimmy Dean would pass on this pork; it’s offal.

lawhawk on February 10, 2009 at 9:06 AM

Did you catch when he said “only government can get us out of this problem”. What a slap in the face to all Americans and their industriousness and hard work. Individual initiative and creativity can’t do it, only government can solve the problem. Wow!

PatMac on February 10, 2009 at 9:07 AM

$255 million for a polar icebreaker

Hey … wait a minute. If all the polar ice is melting, why does the Coast Guard need an icebreaker????

darwin on February 10, 2009 at 9:07 AM

This guy lies in front of the American people and gets away with it.

jencab on February 10, 2009 at 9:07 AM

Were people bussed in to Elkhart to applaud the president? Elkhart County Indiana has about a 20% unemployment rate at this time.

Tommy_G on February 10, 2009 at 9:00 AM

And almost all of that is due to the spike in gas prices last summer which killed the RV industry. But Barry conveniently forgot that fact as well, while promising everyone there a new job, a check for $1,000 and a unicorn.

I really want to know which of these 70,000 jobs Arlen Specter says will be created by his $3 billion for the National Institutes of Health are going to go to these unemployed RV factory workers in Elkhart.

Not only is this bill a fiscal and economic abomination, but its promoters are immorally lying to people about its impact. This bill is not going to do jack squat for the 700,000 who worked in financial services and real estate, or the 25,000 who worked in retail that catered to homeowners, or the unemployed RV workers in Elkhart. This economy is going to have to go through some serious retooling to get all those people back to work. Promising all these people their jobs are coming back is just immoral.

rockmom on February 10, 2009 at 9:08 AM

The total of cost of all the projects submitted by New Jersey is $2,685,299,405

View a specific city in New Jersey: Clifton • East Orange • edison • Elizabeth • Hamilton • Irvington • Newark • Orange • Piscataway • Trenton

Notice if you will that not ONE SINGLE PROJECT for the rural areas and towns of NJ, that vote Republican. Only far left radical liberal areas of the getto state get the ACORN garbage money. YOUR tax dollars, hard at work…

Mark Garnett on February 10, 2009 at 9:09 AM

rockmom on February 10, 2009 at 9:02 AM

Ugh. 400 projects for Virginia. $400k for folding bike racks on buses? Really? An impending economic crisis that can only be averted with silly expenditures!

blankminde on February 10, 2009 at 9:09 AM

rockmom on February 10, 2009 at 9:02 AM

Im with you..plus, no way Harrisburg needs more hotels.

becki51758 on February 10, 2009 at 9:10 AM

The irony of the RV visit: he will not allow drilling. It’s KILLING the RV business. I can’t believe those Elkharter’s put up with him.

ex-Democrat on February 10, 2009 at 9:03 AM

The irony of the RV visit is that RVs are luxury items that the working class and most of the middle class do not buy. Obama wants to raise taxes on the more affluent people who do buy RVs. Higher taxes = fewer RV purchases. Fewer RV purchases = less economic stimulation. That apparently went over The One’s head when stumped at an RV manufacturer.

ExcessivelyDiverted on February 10, 2009 at 9:13 AM

Not only do you folks not get it, you refuse to spend it. As Obama said in the presser and at the house retreat and wil probably say a bunch of times, a stimulus bill, by definition, involves spending. It’s a shame that the edits to the bill since it left the house have left Ed complaining about a highway construction project. A highway construction project puts. people. to. work. And the main goal of this program is to stem the downward deflationary cycle. If you’re argument is that anytime the government does anything than it’s “pork” then you’re in that class of people Obama rightly marginalized of thinking the Federal government should just do something. What was so brilliant about his move there is that he framed the “tax cuts” only crowd as outside of the mainstream, and frankly, they are. A bit of a strawman, but one that will resonate. The man is a political genius.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 10, 2009 at 9:15 AM

Townhall

CDeb on February 10, 2009 at 9:15 AM

Thanks for the link, rockmom!!!

I was going to look up Pennsylvania, but got sidetracked by Puerto Rico!!!

There are 340 projects projects in Puerto Rico proposed in the stimulus??? ACK!

Below are the “shovel-ready” projects for which the mayors of this state have requested federal stimulus funding. You can click on a project to read (and add to) its description. You can also discuss the project and vote on whether you believe it is critical or not. For a more local view, you can drill down to projects in a particular city. Just choose a city from the following list.

The total of cost of all the projects submitted by Puerto Rico is $22,093,054,016

misslizzi on February 10, 2009 at 9:16 AM

Obama lie,But…But…But it can’t be:

Not the guy who promised to follow campaign finance reform then rejected it to chase the money like a typical politician.

Not the guy who signed and executive order to have no lobbyist work in his administration and then immediately started hiring lobbyist to work in his administration.

Not he politician who with his party condemned Bush for years because of his use of rendition,NSA wiretaps,advanced interrogation methods,and maintaining state secrets,then turns right around and does the same thing when he is President.

Not the guy who said he did not support infanticide then it was revealed that he voted against bills that prevented infanticide.

Not the guy who sat in a chruch that taught Black Separatist theology that calls for the genocide of the white race if they don’t conform,a reverend that yells G@d Dam# America,the government created aids,and we deserved 9/11 but had no idea any of this was going on for the 20 years he spent there.

Not the guy who “barely” knew the terrorist Ayers but started his political campaign in his living room and served on two boards with him that wasted millions of dollars.

Not the guy that continually told America that the surge would not work,and would make the situation much worse.
Then when it did work,stated that he knew it would bring down the violence the whole time.

Not the guy who stated as late as Oct.08:

“what I’ve done throughout this campaign is to propose a net spending cut…. What I want to emphasize … is that I have been a strong proponent of pay-as-you-go. Every dollar that I’ve proposed, I’ve proposed an additional cut so that it matches.”

Obama
Third Presidential Debate

I just can’t believe that Mr. hope and change would lie to the American people with such a solid track record of …well…lying to the American people.

Baxter Greene on February 10, 2009 at 9:18 AM

Generational Theft Act

This makes me laugh every time.

$10 million for urban canals

What the hell is an “urban canal”?

I’ve got a mule Democrat, and her name is Sal,
Fif-teen miles on the Er-ie canal,
She’s a good ol’ worker welfare leech and a good ol’ pal,
Fifteen miles on the Er-ie can-al,
We’ve hauled some barges porked some earmarks in our day,
Filled with lum-ber coal and hay water parks, prophylactics, and honey bees ,
And ev’ry inch of the way we know
From Al-ba-ny to Buff-a-lo

Darbraun on February 10, 2009 at 9:18 AM

Obama: the Thief in Chief!

beatcanvas on February 10, 2009 at 9:19 AM

A bit of a strawman, but one that will resonate. The man is a political genius.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 10, 2009 at 9:15 AM

Kinda like some other President saying “you’re either with us, or you’re with the terrorists,” no?

rockmom on February 10, 2009 at 9:22 AM

What’s wrong with you all… don’t you know some words have new meaning.

regal on February 10, 2009 at 9:23 AM

DeathToMediaHacks on February 10, 2009 at 9:15 AM

Spending will employ people, but it won’t create wealth. Tax cuts will. If slight of hand is political genius then I guess you’re right.

blankminde on February 10, 2009 at 9:23 AM

Porkus Maximus

faraway on February 10, 2009 at 9:24 AM

rockmom on February 10, 2009 at 9:02 AM

In Carmel, Indiana (just south of where I live), the mayor (Herr Brainard) has requested funds for road projects. The reason why it is in the stimulus is because he started the projects and did not budget enough money for their completion. Consequently, we have half-finished road construction along a major thoroughfare in the Indianapolis metro area.

Did anyone see the D-bag mayor of Providence, RI that wants $5 million to construct a polar bear exhibit in the Providence Zoo? He couldn’t answer the questions of Kilmeade and Doocy. He just spewed the same exact verbal diarrhea talking points that Dear Leader kept repeating during the presser.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on February 10, 2009 at 9:24 AM

I love the smell of burning pants in the morning… it smells like victory with a hint of failure…

al sends

afterdarknesslight on February 10, 2009 at 9:26 AM

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on February 10, 2009 at 9:24 AM

I saw him. I think in this economy they dont need a darn polar bear exhibit in the zoo.

becki51758 on February 10, 2009 at 9:26 AM

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on February 10, 2009 at 9:24 AM

I’m sensing a “Zoo” them alright.

Philadelphia Zoo: Construction, infrastructure, and other related costs for Children’s Zoo, Aviary, Big Cat Falls and other exhibits Philadelphia PA …. $20,000,000

misslizzi on February 10, 2009 at 9:28 AM

Spending will employ people, but it won’t create wealth. Tax cuts will. If slight of hand is political genius then I guess you’re right.

blankminde on February 10, 2009 at 9:23 AM

I wrote a really long post on this yesterday and no one really responded. Maybe I’ll try again here, but in shorter form.

The principle behind “tax cuts create wealth” assumes an environment where people are using the money they don’t have to pay in taxes and directly investing in both existing and new business ventures after evaluating the market. But in the current market a reduction in capital gains and income taxes will cause people to liquify to solve their debt problems (this is also what’s wrong with the ridiculous tax rebate portion of the bill and why it should be cut). This is not an economic environment that is pro-investment, the investor class has debt and I’m not sure how you even have an investment economy with insolvent investment banks.

To put it simply, if a capital gains tax cut allows you to pull profits out of investments that haven’t tanked are you:
1. More likely to put that directly back into the economy and risk losing the one area you haven’t lost already
2. More likely to put it into a savings account so at least it won’t deplete like the parts of your portfolio that did.

If you answered 2, then tax cuts, at this time, won’t do anything to inspire growth. What would help, everyone buying a 100 dollar treasury bond, start working on this national debt.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 10, 2009 at 9:29 AM

PUBLIC: OINKOINKOink… Oink… Oinkoinkoink… oink…

Barry: Just Shut up and pay your taxes, you ungrateful pigs.

Yoop on February 10, 2009 at 9:29 AM

Government Power-grab

Senator Spector,

When an overwhelming majority of your colleagues in both the House and Senate refused to be a part of this plan to create NEW UNFUNDED GOVERNMENT ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS that will not stimulate this economy in the near future, and in fact cedes more power and dependency to an already bloated government, your vote to support this bill shows you are no longer competent to represent your state or this nation’s best interest. After all the positive accomplishments you provided throughout your career, history will record that the cowardly actions of yourself, Olympia Snowe, and Susan Collins led to more harm to this nation’s independence from government intrusion into the private lives of their citizens than at any other time. I hope your thiry pieces of silver will be worth the fiscal heartache you have provided to your grandchildren and future generations that will ask why you forsake the principals our founding fathers wrote into the constitution that protected us from an intrusive government with too much power. With this action, you no longer deserve the distinction of being a representative OF THE PEOPLE.

(this was written by yours truly and sent to Arlen Spector)

Rovin on February 10, 2009 at 9:30 AM

Hey … wait a minute. If all the polar ice is melting, why does the Coast Guard need an icebreaker????

darwin on February 10, 2009 at 9:07 AM

We could be about to annoy the Canadians (who claim the Global Warmed Northwest Passage), or are we might be trying to find a Southeast Passage through Antarctica.

Or, maybe, some company or union that builds ships managed to shove some money into some Representative’s or Senator’s freezer?

unclesmrgol on February 10, 2009 at 9:32 AM

Mark Garnett on February 10, 2009 at 9:09 AM

The same can be said for Forida.
This is sick.

milwife88 on February 10, 2009 at 9:33 AM

I wrote a really long post on this yesterday and no one really responded. Maybe I’ll try again here, but in shorter form.

Little wonder; I’ve read ‘War and Peace’, your post was longer.

Bishop on February 10, 2009 at 9:33 AM

Those poor folk in Elkhart! Did they actually fall for it? Do they actually think that RV’s are going to make a fast comeback under this Bill? Or, that their town is? If they do, then they have been trampled on in the worst sense of the words. Obama is without shame and this practice of his of using the down and out for his own personal gain is crashingly unforgivable.

jeanie on February 10, 2009 at 9:34 AM

a turd by any other name…

Captain Betty on February 10, 2009 at 9:34 AM

Little wonder; I’ve read ‘War and Peace’, your post was longer.

Bishop on February 10, 2009 at 9:33 AM

A Bishop-zinger and a cup of coffee. Great way to start the AM!

sherry on February 10, 2009 at 9:37 AM

I’m not usually big on protests usually, but what would it take to organize a Pork Protest March on Washington, D.C.? How quickly could it be done? Would anyone show up?

misslizzi on February 10, 2009 at 9:37 AM

If it looks like a pig, acts like a pig, gets sold as a pig, and stinks of pork, it’s not difficult to identify it.

Obama: “You can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig.”

Now he’s bringing home trillion-dollar bacon.

Steve Z on February 10, 2009 at 9:38 AM

In New Orleans, many are drinking the Kool-Aid and hoping this bill will fix the levee system in the area. The only think I see about building levees are ones in New Mexico on the Rio Grande. Money heading to New Orleans is going to transportation.

If levee money was in the bill, why would both Sentors here in Louisiana be asking for it? It was never added to the senate version either.

The Times-Picayune is trying to convey this message (not surpising their initials are TP because thats all its good for) because Obama mentioned levees in his press conference. Not New Orleans levees, just levees. New Orleans isn’t the only place with levees.

If someone could point me in the right direction and show me specifically where it says money for levees in south Louisiana is in there. Otherwise, I’m not seeing it.

Lay-Z on February 10, 2009 at 9:38 AM

I agree that earmarks were pretty common over the last 8 years, especially over the last 2 years.

However, Obama should know, given how he was the author of so many of them.

MarkTheGreat on February 10, 2009 at 9:39 AM

The Lyin’ King stood in Elkhart and proposed roads for a city that makes RV’s no one can afford to buy or operate.

How the hell is that going to make jobs in Elkhart? How is anything in this package going to help Elkhart?

drjohn on February 10, 2009 at 9:39 AM

I spoke with Robert Barro of Harvard yesterday about the stimulus bill, fiscal policy, and related issues in macroeconomics.

And I take it from the Wall Street Journal piece you wrote last week… well, the piece is just specifically about measuring multipliers, but I take it that you are fairly skeptical in general that fiscal policy will boost aggregate demand.

Right. There’s a big difference between tax rate changes and things that look just like throwing money at people. Tax rate changes have actual incentive effects. And we have some experience with those actually working.

What would you say is the best empirical evidence there?

Well, you know, it worked to expand GDP for example in ’63 and ’64 with the Kennedy/Johnson cuts. And then Reagan twice in ’81 and ’83 and then in ’86. And then the Bush 2003 tax-cutting program. Those all worked in the sense of promoting economic growth in a short time frame.

Real tax cuts policies (not just wealth redistribution) have shown through history to be the most successful ways to create jobs and stimulate the economy.

The American people know this that is way they prefer tax cuts over spending by more than 60%.
Real political genius to call that failed policy.

What is failed policy and history is the key indicator,is the massive spending and pork projects that even Obama’s own CBO says will have some effect job wise in the short term but be very detrimental in the long term.

It didn’t work in America in the 1930′s and didn’t work in Japan in the 1990′s.

Many top economist and Obama’s own CBO know this:


FDR’s policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate

By
Meg Sullivan
| 8/10/2004 12:23:12 PM
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx

Two UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression dragged on for almost 15 years, and they blame a suspect previously thought to be beyond reproach: President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

After scrutinizing Roosevelt’s record for four years, Harold L. Cole and Lee E. Ohanian conclude in a new study that New Deal policies signed into law 71 years ago thwarted economic recovery for seven long years.

200 Top Economists Say “Stimulus” Bill Won’t Work
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/01/200-top-economists-say-stimulus-bill.html

200 top economic minds signed a national ad published in The New York Times and the Wall Street Journal against the trillion dollar spending binge proposed by democrats. The ad, sponsored by the Cato Institute, blasts the massive boondoggle that funds liberal projects under the guise of “stimulating” the economy.

CBO: Obama stimulus harmful over long haul
Stephen Dinan
Wednesday, February 4, 2009

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/04/cbo-obama-stimulus-harmful-over-long-haul/

President Obama’s economic recovery package will actually hurt the economy more in the long run than if he were to do nothing, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said Wednesday.

CBO, the official scorekeepers for legislation, said the House and Senate bills will help in the short term but result in so much government debt that within a few years they would crowd out private investment, actually leading to a lower Gross Domestic Product over the next 10 years than if the government had done nothing.

Barro hits a bullseye:

The last thing is just about the stimulus bills as it stands. Two things here. One thing is what do you think about the ratio of spending to tax relief in the bill. And the second is, if you judge it by Larry Summers standard — that stimulus be temporary, timely and targeted — does it clear the bar?

This is probably the worst bill that has been put forward since the 1930s. I don’t know what to say. I mean it’s wasting a tremendous amount of money. It has some simplistic theory that I don’t think will work, so I don’t think the expenditure stuff is going to have the intended effect. I don’t think it will expand the economy. And the tax cutting isn’t really geared toward incentives. It’s not really geared to lowering tax rates; it’s more along the lines of throwing money at people. On both sides I think it’s garbage. So in terms of balance between the two it doesn’t really matter that much.

Baxter Greene on February 10, 2009 at 9:40 AM

drjohn on February 10, 2009 at 9:39 AM

It won’t help Elkhart and it won’t help America.

milwife88 on February 10, 2009 at 9:41 AM

The Lyin’ King stood in Elkhart and proposed roads for a city that makes RV’s no one can afford to buy or operate.

How the hell is that going to make jobs in Elkhart? How is anything in this package going to help Elkhart?

If that doesn’t kill off the RV industry, Barry’s energy policies will.

Lay-Z on February 10, 2009 at 9:41 AM

Actually levees are one of the few projects that I think might work in the short and long term. But, then, I don’t know any more about these things than Davie Axelrod.

jeanie on February 10, 2009 at 9:41 AM

Those poor folk in Elkhart! Did they actually fall for it? Do they actually think that RV’s are going to make a fast comeback under this Bill? Or, that their town is? If they do, then they have been trampled on in the worst sense of the words. Obama is without shame and this practice of his of using the down and out for his own personal gain is crashingly unforgivable.

jeanie on February 10, 2009 at 9:34 AM

If you can stomach it, you really should go watch the video of Obama’s townhall. It was amazing. All he did was repeat his campaign promises and the people ate it up. He left everyone in that building believing their $1000 check is in the mail and they’ll have a new job in a few weeks. It scared the hell out of me.

rockmom on February 10, 2009 at 9:41 AM

I can’t wait until the idea of blaming Bush is done with. I give it about16 more weeks and then we can lay all the job losses on BHO because his bill does not work.

I am sooo starting to want to see the USa bankrupt. It is the only way to regain our freedoms that we have lost over the last 50 years IMO

unseen on February 10, 2009 at 9:42 AM

CDeb on February 10, 2009 at 9:15 AM

Thanks for that-great poster.

INC on February 10, 2009 at 9:43 AM

I wrote a really long post on this yesterday and no one really responded.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 10, 2009 at 9:29 AM

Bwahahahahaha!!
That’s because what you post is always wrong and boring to boot!
(You and Comrade Urkel have a lot in common! No wonder you like him.)

Jenfidel on February 10, 2009 at 9:44 AM

There is money allocated in this plan to develop the new battery technologies that will allow not just cars, but potentially R.V.s, as well, to be — to move into the next generation of plug-in hybrids that get much better gas mileage, that will wean ourselves off of dependence on Middle Eastern oil, and we’ll improve our environment and lessen the potential effects of greenhouse gases and climate change.

Talk about tilting at windmills! Plug-in RVs? How many years away is that? What’s the miles per charge going to be on a hybrid RV? 100 yards? What a panderer! Unbelievable. Of course, the dolts in the crowd applaud!

Mr_Magoo on February 10, 2009 at 9:47 AM

Change Lies we can believe in, but how much longer?

Mark30339 on February 10, 2009 at 9:49 AM

There are 340 projects projects in Puerto Rico proposed in the stimulus??? ACK!

Below are the “shovel-ready” projects for which the mayors of this state have requested federal stimulus funding. You can click on a project to read (and add to) its description. You can also discuss the project and vote on whether you believe it is critical or not. For a more local view, you can drill down to projects in a particular city. Just choose a city from the following list.

The total of cost of all the projects submitted by Puerto Rico is $22,093,054,016

misslizzi on February 10, 2009 at 9:16 AM

Thanks for the link, rockmom!!!

I was going to look up Pennsylvania, but got sidetracked by Puerto Rico!!!

Thanks for the info. I didn’t know that PR was included in this mess. I was born and raised there, and the only Resident Commish the island has, as I understand it, has been looking to get federal funds from this mess. This because I read online Puerto Rico’s newspapers.

Now don’t get me wrong, because you guys don’t know this; Puerto Rico is a territory of the US, we Americans fuel the island with $1B/year to sustain itself. That is why I campaign for statehood for PR. That way, PR puts in what they are supposed to do; as you get some you pay some.

Not the other way around, where we are footing the bill and PR just keeps getting and getting the money. What I AM CONCERNED DEEPLY is that the funds that will be allocated to Puerto Rico are USED and USED WISELY and where it belongs. If not, bounce unused funds back to the US!!!!!!

There is corruption there, biased media, tax evasions and whatnot (just like in the US) plus a big unemployment percentage. It is of utmost importance that if these funds are used, (for example the Fed. Dept. of Education), demands unused funds be returned to the US.

As lots of you I share the same concerns; that so many are for construction workers and such; that it won’t do jackcrap to get the economy bounced back but I was not aware that PR had so much pull as to get that large amt. of money.

Puerto Rico DOES need improving; and I am all for it, but what I am an advocate of is managing funds without pork. And do everything right, the first time. Mmhhh, roasted pork!

If you have any questions as to Puerto Rico, once I examine the fundings and where are they going to, I will be glad to answer them. For the record, there are no Taino indian tribes, nobody walks naked or tribal, everybody dresses summer all year long and like regular and executives, wear jackets, shirts and ties. I have had to clear up this misconception so many times that it drives me insane. Downtown San Juan looks much like downtown Cleveland, OH (as far as I have seen here in the US).

ProudPalinFan on February 10, 2009 at 9:50 AM

BTW I forgot to add, one Resident Commish for 4 million+ people in an island 100X35 miles. Not 6 or 8 Congressmen.

ProudPalinFan on February 10, 2009 at 9:51 AM

Rockmom: It appears that for a while this country is going to run on empty words and gullible listeners.(oh…and dishonest press). It’s too ephemeral and can’t last forever said she(me) trying to cheer herself up.

jeanie on February 10, 2009 at 9:52 AM

There are 340 projects projects in Puerto Rico proposed in the stimulus??? ACK!

The total of cost of all the projects submitted by Puerto Rico is $22,093,054,016

misslizzi on February 10, 2009 at 9:16 AM

That link you posted to StimulusWatch–wow!
One of the scariest places I’ve ever been to! The waste and the pork are incredible–it seems every politician in this country has lined up in Washington with a wish list.
Thanks, mizzlizzi.
I want to stay informed, but my hair is turning grayer/whiter by the minute and my acid reflux is what’s getting the stimulus!

Jenfidel on February 10, 2009 at 9:52 AM

DeathToMediaHacks on February 10, 2009 at 9:29 AM

Here’s a $750,000,000 “jobs creation” project for you big mouth, in my back yard. It creates 15 jobs. That breaks down to $50,000.000 per job. And NOBODY in town wants it. There are NO people living in the abandoned train yard.

Wake up and smell yourself liberal moonbat.

Not Over.

1GooDDaDDy on February 10, 2009 at 9:53 AM

Actually levees are one of the few projects that I think might work in the short and long term. But, then, I don’t know any more about these things than Davie Axelrod.

jeanie on February 10, 2009 at 9:41 AM

Like any government construction it will be a short term project.

My point though is that locally people think this bill will send money here for levees when I haven’t seen anything that specifically says so. I’ve seen it say that money is going to New Mexico for levees but not south Louisiana. The local media and some national media is trying to push this message because Obama said levees in his press conference.

Its the liberal infatuation with New Orleans. They love to talk about how Katrina was such a disaster and the evil BOOOSH who didn’t do anything. I don’t see them coming down here doing anything.

The only rich hollywood liberal that did anything was Brad Pitt and it was some feel good project that only built six houses. Its all post modern architecture that doesn’t match the local architecture at all. With high homeowners insurance, most of the houses are expensive and out of reach for many people in NOLA.

Yet faith based groups are rebuilding houses donating their time, money, and effort to do so and have rebuilt far more houses in the greater NOLA area than Mr. Pitt have. They’re more affordable and in some cases the homes are donated to the most needy of families.

Lay-Z on February 10, 2009 at 9:53 AM

By the way, I should recommend everyone to this incredible story in yesterday’s Philadelphia Inquirer. Turns out the city has over $1 billion in unpaid bail judgments, and has refused to even hire a collection agent to go after it. That happens to be almost exactly the amount of the city’s projected budget deficit this year. Philadelphia also has several hundred million dollars of unpaid commercial property taxes. Yet the mayor is crying for a federal bailout. I can only imagine what other kinds of fiscal nightmares like this exist in other cities and states that have suffered under incompetent and corrupt Democratic leadership for decades.

Fugitives owe city $1 billion

rockmom on February 10, 2009 at 9:55 AM

Heh.

http://blogs.indystar.com/varvelblog/02102009.jpg

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on February 10, 2009 at 9:56 AM

This isn’t the pork I knew.

VikingGoneWild on February 10, 2009 at 9:56 AM

1GooDDaDDy on February 10, 2009 at 9:53 AM

The cost is no doubt do to the manufacturing of the parts, which, if made in America, is a good thing for the economy and creates jobs that way. Their may only be 15 construction jobs, but how many production jobs are there in that project?

DeathToMediaHacks on February 10, 2009 at 9:58 AM

Lay-Z: Are you from New Orleans? if so, I would be interested in hearing what is ACTUALLY happening down there. One cannot trust the press to be accurate and I am wondering.

jeanie on February 10, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on February 10, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Love the cartoon!

becki51758 on February 10, 2009 at 9:59 AM

I couldn’t handle watching this crap, or listening to his crap. But I did notice one thing every time a clip was shown – the two nicely placed Army women, about level with his head. That was completely unintentional, right?

Man, I am OD-ing on cynicism. Don’t know how I’m going to last until 2013 at this rate.

Anna on February 10, 2009 at 10:01 AM

Corrected: At least one is a man, and there’s three in the screencap. I was going from memory… need more tea.

Oops.

Anna on February 10, 2009 at 10:02 AM

ProudPalinFan on February 10, 2009 at 9:50 AM

I don’t think anyone’s misconceiving Puerto Rico here. The issue here is pure plain pork and what most struck me most was the difference between how much pork the small territory Puerto Rico is requesting versus how much pork the large state of Pennsylvania is requesting.

The total of cost of all the projects submitted by Pennsylvania is $4,448,759,130

The total of cost of all the projects submitted by Puerto Rico is $22,093,054,016

misslizzi on February 10, 2009 at 10:03 AM

Talk about tilting at windmills! Plug-in RVs? How many years away is that? What’s the miles per charge going to be on a hybrid RV? 100 yards? What a panderer! Unbelievable. Of course, the dolts in the crowd applaud!

Mr_Magoo on February 10, 2009 at 9:47 AM

I caught this yesterday too Magoo, and in astonishment of the lemmings in Indiana that swallowed this crap. I wonder if Obama has even considered that the increase in battery production and technology still has to have an energy supply to charge the little suckers. How many of these “eco-green companys” have a quid pro quo agreement with the coal industry? Dam the rivers—-full steam ahead!

Rovin on February 10, 2009 at 10:04 AM

Obama just wants to put some lipstick on that pig.

GarandFan on February 10, 2009 at 10:04 AM

becki51758 on February 10, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Well, if you liked the previous cartoon, this one sums it all up quite nicely.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on February 10, 2009 at 10:05 AM

Hey … wait a minute. If all the polar ice is melting, why does the Coast Guard need an icebreaker????

darwin on February 10, 2009 at 9:07 AM

We could be about to annoy the Canadians (who claim the Global Warmed Northwest Passage), or are we might be trying to find a Southeast Passage through Antarctica.

Or, maybe, some company or union that builds ships managed to shove some money into some Representative’s or Senator’s freezer?

unclesmrgol on February 10, 2009 at 9:32 AM

Dang…If all that crap is happening up north, it’s not worth watching Discovery Channel’s “Deadliest Catch”. Won’t be deadly anymore; it would be deadliest boring.

ProudPalinFan on February 10, 2009 at 10:06 AM

ProudPalinFan on February 10, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Puerto Rico is very well represented in Congress by the Senators from New York. Remember Bill Clinton’s midnight pardon of the FALN terrorists? That was a straight out pander to get Hillary the votes of Puerto Rican emigres who live in New York.

I would love to have been in the room in Elkhart yesterday and announce that $22 billion of their tax money was going to Puerto Rico.

BTW, I would guess PR is getting hammered right now in the tourist trade. Many Wall Street firms and other corporations have executive retreats and other corporate meetings there. I’ve been to El Conquistador twice for such meetings, and my former company had one scheduled in 2007 which was canceled when the company lost $900 million in 4Q 2006.

rockmom on February 10, 2009 at 10:06 AM

To revise what others have stated:
You can put lipstick on pork, but it is still pork.
The gov. is famous for changing the names of negative items.
Welfare…Financial aid or Government Assistance
Food Stamps…Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program
Bum…Unemployed on Government Assistance, for 20 years.
Pork…Stimulus
Earmark…Stimulus
Ripoff…Stimulus
Theft…Stimulus
Tax Cheat…Cabinet Member

right2bright on February 10, 2009 at 10:09 AM

hmm…a lot of that “stimulus” in Pa is going to big cities. Citeis with many jobs.

I live in central Pa in a town that has few jobs…a paper mill, a chemical plant and a Chicago rivet co. We have few restaurants, stores and our downtown is bare. Business is closing all over…and nothing for us.

St. College on the other hand wants money for street lights..and they put those in maybe 5 yrs ago.

becki51758 on February 10, 2009 at 10:09 AM

DeathToMediaHacks on February 10, 2009 at 9:58 AM

What are you babbling about?
Have you been drinking since last night, knowing you have to cope with and cover for the incompetence of your president on this forum?

Jenfidel on February 10, 2009 at 10:10 AM

Not only do you folks not get it, you refuse to spend it. As Obama said in the presser and at the house retreat and wil probably say a bunch of times, a stimulus bill, by definition, involves spending.

You, like your idol, lie.
No spending bill has ever stimulated the economy. Not a single one. Ever.

It is fiscally impossible for a spending bill to stimulate the economy.
Before the govt can spend a dollar, it has to take a dollar from someone. At best, spending bills move dollars from your right side pocket to your left. It’s a wash.
In reality, govt is sloppy, in the process of transfering the cash from one pocket to another, half of it is dropped.
Govt is a very inefficient spender of other people’s money.

There are two ways govt can stimulate the economy.

1) Cut taxes. Real taxes, not this welfare disquised as tax cuts that liberals peddle.
2) Cut regulations.

That’s it.

MarkTheGreat on February 10, 2009 at 10:11 AM

So on and so forth, et.cetera etcetera: Is this the way a Precedent should end sentences?

thomasaur on February 10, 2009 at 10:12 AM

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on February 10, 2009 at 10:05 AM

It sure does…

becki51758 on February 10, 2009 at 10:12 AM

Spending will employ people, but it won’t create wealth.
blankminde on February 10, 2009 at 9:23 AM

Spending might employ people. But the increased taxes necessary to pay for the spending will put even more people out of work.

MarkTheGreat on February 10, 2009 at 10:13 AM

Can someone, anyone, anywhere explain how tax cuts inspire growth in THIS economy. Please don’t spout dogma, actually justify what you see happening if capital gains/income taxes are significantly reduced, even below Bush levels. Do people honestly believe that any profit taking will go back into the economy. No one is into risky investment right now and everyone has debt. Reducing taxes will just increase the savings rate, nothing more.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 10, 2009 at 10:14 AM

That link you posted to StimulusWatch–wow!
One of the scariest places I’ve ever been to! The waste and the pork are incredible–it seems every politician in this country has lined up in Washington with a wish list.
Thanks, mizzlizzi.
I want to stay informed, but my hair is turning grayer/whiter by the minute and my acid reflux is what’s getting the stimulus!

Jenfidel on February 10, 2009 at 9:52 AM

Scary??

Where in the world were you taken to?

ProudPalinFan on February 10, 2009 at 10:14 AM

The only way to cure the last eight years of Spending….is to increase Spending. – Obama

I’m worried about the Printing Presses. Are they capable of making the amount of money we are going to be spending? Or was someone smart enough to put in a provision to buy more printing presses in the “Stimulus”?

UcantCme on February 10, 2009 at 10:15 AM

2. More likely to put it into a savings account so at least it won’t deplete like the parts of your portfolio that did.

If you answered 2, then tax cuts, at this time, won’t do anything to inspire growth. What would help, everyone buying a 100 dollar treasury bond, start working on this national debt.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 10, 2009 at 9:29 AM

If you answered 2, then you have never managed a portfolio and should never be allowed near any investments.

MarkTheGreat on February 10, 2009 at 10:15 AM

DeathToMediaHacks on February 10, 2009 at 9:58 AM

You just don’t get it. There are NO PEOPLE at or around the abandoned train yard!

Just old rusting rails and a few out buildings on 15 acres of weed infested land.

It takes 10 to 15 minutes to walk on surface streets to get to the train yard from old Sac. What the hell is the use of a “underground tunnel” to nowhere.

It’s a waste.

But in your fervent love affair with the “0″ like other under sexed libs, you refuse to see what’s right in front of you.

Man you’re sick.

Not Over.

1GooDDaDDy on February 10, 2009 at 10:16 AM

Lay-Z: Are you from New Orleans? if so, I would be interested in hearing what is ACTUALLY happening down there. One cannot trust the press to be accurate and I am wondering.

jeanie on February 10, 2009 at 9:59 AM

I’ve been living here for nearly two years, my wife is a native from Algiers. I lived in Baton Rouge for three years before that. Yeah, there’s a lot of misinformation.

The only people in NOLA that are bitching about how things aren’t being done are people who have been living on government handouts before the storm. So the TP and moochers are jumping for joy becuase Obama said levees.

Yeah, levees for New Mexico.

Lay-Z on February 10, 2009 at 10:19 AM

I couldn’t handle watching this crap, or listening to his crap. But I did notice one thing every time a clip was shown – the two nicely placed Army women, about level with his head. That was completely unintentional, right?

Man, I am OD-ing on cynicism. Don’t know how I’m going to last until 2013 at this rate.

Anna on February 10, 2009 at 10:01 AM

Noticed that too; so far is it me or is there a dead silence on behalf of the troops? Anybody related to the troops here can comment anything to get a feel of their situation?

ProudPalinFan on February 10, 2009 at 10:19 AM

About that check that Barry’s going to send me for –is it $500. I can hardly wait. It’s going to turn my life around. I just know it. And all those non-taxpaying homeless down town who are going to rush out and buy, beer cigarettes and controlled substances with it.(Actually that might give the economy a little kick now that I think about it LOL). It’s going to pay off my mortgage, buy gas for my car, buy a whole 3 or 4 weeks of groceries(if I buy generic)… the opportunities are endless, bottomless–the stuff dreams are made of.

jeanie on February 10, 2009 at 10:20 AM

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