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posted at 11:31 am on February 9, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Who knew Norm Coleman was an Emerson, Lake, and Palmer fan? The Senator appeared yesterday on the local ABC affiliate’s news interview show At Issue to discuss the election contest, and noted the nightmare scenario of … nothing happening:

TOM HAUSER: welcome back. As you know, the 2008 senate race continues to dominate the headlines, and joining me now, one of the men responsible for that, Senator Norm Coleman. Now you’re in kind of this limbo. Senator is a title you will have even if you were just retiring and for the rest of your life.

SENATOR NORM COLEMAN: But I’m not being paid by the United States Senate.

TOM HAUSER: But you are still entitled to the title senator, but it has to be strange being in this limbo, you see the action going on in Washington and you’re not part of it.

SENATOR NORM COLEMAN: I feel like in a Kafka novel or something like that, the race that never ends. I have stayed in contact with my colleagues; I have been in touch with folks talking about the stimulus. I have had to close up my office, but assuming that this thing gets done, at some point you will have to move quickly to provide citizen service. So I am spending some time to try to ensure that when this is over that we can get moving as quickly as possible – whoever the winner is, I believe I will win when all votes are counted. But I do think that it is important to get moving very quickly and I am certainly doing everything in my power to be able to do that when this recount is concluded.

TOM HAUSER: Now in the second week of this recount trial, you did have some success in court. The judges say they will review up to 4,800 ballots you would like to be reviewed, and possibly included, a few missing ballots have turned up here and there, some of which favor you. Still, despite that, isn’t it still a daunting task to try to overturn a 225 vote margin?

SENATOR NORM COLEMAN: Not really. Every single election official who has come before the panel has said that there are valid votes that haven’t been counted. We opened up, the canvassing board opened up 953 ballots from predominantly Democrat areas. We went back and looked at the nature of those ballots; and said you have over 4,000 similar kinds of ballots in the rest of the state, so open them, and count, figure out, make sure that nobody’s ballot is counted twice – the double counting of some ballots – and then you will have a winner. And so there’s no question — I don’t think anyone disagrees that it is not going to be 225 votes that is going to separate whoever wins this race. That is an artificial number. It is down somewhere from 223 even as we speak because they found some Coleman votes that weren’t counted. But the bottom line is you have thousands of absentee ballots that have not been counted and so who the winner is, we don’t know at this point, Tom. But it is important for Minnesotans that we figure out who won by making sure that every validly cast vote is counted and that no vote is counted more than once.

TOM HAUSER: Now those 4,800 that your campaign is kind of focused on, it appears that those largely come from Coleman-friendly territory, and now Franken is looking for ballots from Franken-friendly territory, so if you both do that, is it going to be somewhat of a wash and getting back to the 225 vote margin.

SENATOR NORM COLEMAN: Well, firstly, it shouldn’t be cherry picking, it really should be by category. And you look at the 953 that were opened, the reality Tom is that the first group of ballots came principally from Ramsey, Hennepin, St. Louis Counties – they’ve been counted, those heavily Democratic areas. The ones that haven’t been counted come from areas other than that. And as a result they are predominantly Republican, there’s no question about that. Bottom line, let’s count every validly cast vote. Figure out who the winner is, if it’s me I go back to work, if it’s Al Franken, he becomes a Senator. I think Minnesotans deserve to get it right, I think we need to get it right. We’re apparently on the course to make that happen.

TOM HAUSER: Now again, by the time we taped this show late Friday afternoon, we did not have the Supreme Court decision yet in Al Franken’s attempt to get seated immediately, provisionally until the recount trial is over. I know you are opposed to that motion obviously –

SENATOR NORM COLEMAN: It’s not just me being opposed, the law is very clear, in fact Tom, if I was to go out on a limb, we could presume that is not going to happen.

TOM HAUSER: Alright, good. You predicted it. We will find out if you are right.

SENATOR NORM COLEMAN: The law is very, very clear. Minnesota law says you cannot certify a winner until the contested case is concluded. Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, Senate Democratic leadership are not going to seat the next senator from Minnesota. And so when we make sure every validly cast vote is counted, no votes double counted, we will have a winner, they will be certified, and that is the person who will serve as the United States Senator.

Supposedly, some in the state legislature want to pass a bill that would force the state to issue an election certificate to Franken, which Tim Pawlenty would certainly veto. I doubt anyone would be that foolish, as it all but negates the entire election contest process. If the state doesn’t want election contests, then they should amend the law to remove those provisions — but that would leave no legal recourse for candidates who want to ensure that the recount process has some oversight.

Put in other terms, that would give Gitmo detainees more appeals than a losing candidate in Minnesota.

The process has taken a lot longer than anyone wants, especially with such a national focus on this particular race. Had this been an election for Attorney General or Secretary of State, it would not have attracted a national audience in the first place, and what little interest it generated would have dissipated long ago. That doesn’t mean that the state legislature should interfere with the process set in state law long ago, which will reach a conclusion soon enough.


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If the state doesn’t want election contests, then they should amend the law to remove those provisions — but that would leave no legal recourse for candidates who want to ensure that the recount process has some oversight.

At the rate we are going, some will want to amend the laws to remove elections, period.

Vashta.Nerada on February 9, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Reminds me of Dickens’ Bleak House, more or less about a lawsuit that has gone on forever, no one even knows why it was initiated, and it is just eating the world like gangrene – a good analogy of anything involving Franken.

Akzed on February 9, 2009 at 11:37 AM

I don’t see the problem…count all the votes, and raise up the hand of the winner…

right2bright on February 9, 2009 at 11:44 AM

There will never be a clear winner in this tainted election.

You just plain cannot have a process that counts more votes than you have voters who signed in! I mean, come on… if I was living in Minnesota I’d be TICKED at this seriously flawed process.

What enlightening though is that there is no real MSM press looking at these shenanigans… no investigation… they’ve let it die… gee…. wonder why…

Romeo13 on February 9, 2009 at 11:50 AM

This is a useful reminder of why the the SCOTUS put an end to the Gore fiasco of 2000.

pedestrian on February 9, 2009 at 11:51 AM

Half the Minnesotans watching this program are saying: ““Kafka”-esque? Hey der is dat like lutefisk?”

PackerBronco on February 9, 2009 at 12:04 PM

ELP = greatest prog group ever, screw Yes!

ernesto on February 9, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Franken is the main stream press’ faired haired son and can do no wrong. They have done everything they could to get him elected, including suppressing any information about Franken’s questionable behavior.

DL13 on February 9, 2009 at 12:07 PM

I don’t believe Minnesota is schizophrenic, I think Coleman really won.

Dr Evil on February 9, 2009 at 12:12 PM

I didn’t wake up this morning expecting to see a reference to Franz Kafka on HotAir, but I guess Gregor Samosa didn’t wake up expecting to be turned into a giant insect either.

Glenn Jericho on February 9, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Best wishes to Senator Coleman on trying to get a fair shake.

More votes than registrations……don’t worry about it.

On a serious side, how the frak does this happen?

possibly included, a few missing ballots have turned up here and there,

I guess I’m more naive than I thought.

Is it just me or our elections looking more and more like a farce?

VikingGoneWild on February 9, 2009 at 12:28 PM

I doubt anyone would be that foolish, as it all but negates the entire election contest process.

A commie state like Minnesota would never want that./

Disturb the Universe on February 9, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Put in other terms, that would give Gitmo detainees more appeals than a losing candidate in Minnesota.

The Gitmo detainees won’t need any appeals. They will probably be released before the Minnesota recount is complete.

Disturb the Universe on February 9, 2009 at 12:37 PM

It is obvious to me, the election judges and such in those counties ( mostly metro) that were overwhelmingly always democratic, I suspect them of fraud. Why do I say this?. In the precincts in Dakota county in which I have worked as a judge and supervisor, we never have the issues these other areas have. So to the Peabody’s and all who want this state dead… I suggest surgical strikes into counties like Hennepin, Anoka and Ramsey. And only strike liberal homes and enclave, trust me, you need conservatives that are here to help you clean up your messes in your states that you conveniently fail to address.

MNDavenotPC on February 9, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Franken is just going to be very sad if he doesn’t get to vote on the massive porkulus bill to usher in the age of socialism that he favors.

kirkill on February 9, 2009 at 12:43 PM

I didn’t wake up this morning expecting to see a reference to Franz Kafka on HotAir, but I guess Gregor Samosa Samsa didn’t wake up expecting to be turned into a giant insect either.

Glenn Jericho on February 9, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Disturb the Universe on February 9, 2009 at 12:48 PM

some will want to amend the laws to remove elections, period.

Isn’t that the goal of President Obambam and the DNC?

oldleprechaun on February 9, 2009 at 1:01 PM

ELP = greatest prog group ever, screw Yes!

ernesto on February 9, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Ok, thems fighting words.

ELP was a great prog group no doubt, but so was Yes. You can pump one up without bashing the other.

Also, something about Norm Coleman to stay on topic …

thirteen28 on February 9, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Mussorky’s Pictures at an Exhibition is bar none, the best recording for that piece of music. The encore ‘Nutrocker’ has the best drum solo EVAH!

Now, what’s this about Al ‘Corrupt Clown’ Franken owing $50,000 in back taxes to 17 States? Are the good people of Minnesota ready for a Dodd-Leahy-Specter wannabe?

SeniorD on February 9, 2009 at 1:18 PM

Disturb the Universe on February 9, 2009 at 12:48 PM

Thanks ;)

Glenn Jericho on February 9, 2009 at 1:47 PM

I wrote about the interview here. Here’s something that I took away from the interview:

It’s important to note that Sen. Coleman laid out his case for why he thinks he’ll win and why the courts must intervene to eliminate the mistakes and injustices involved in the recount. Sen. Coleman put together a flawless, compelling logical argument.

That’s the final stark contrast between Sen. Coleman and Mr. Franken. Mr. Franken hasn’t tried enunciating a coherent, compelling rationale for his ’stop the recount’ lawsuits.

Mr. Franken can’t enunciate a coherent, compelling rationale for his lawsuits because there isn’t a coherent, compelling rationale for his lawsuits.

LFRGary on February 9, 2009 at 1:47 PM

Dang, DtU beat me to it, but I can’t help myself (must be my sugar imbalance acting up again):

I didn’t wake up this morning expecting to see a reference to Franz Kafka on HotAir, but I guess Gregor Samosa didn’t wake up expecting to be turned into a giant insect Indian pastry either.

Glenn Jericho on February 9, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Ditto – Kafka doesn’t visit all too often, but when he does… anyhow, right-backacha with a side of mint chutney! ;-)

RD on February 9, 2009 at 3:38 PM

how many of those votes from republican areas will be for the 3rd party candidate?

how’s that “true conservative” ideological purity working out for you guys?

funky chicken on February 9, 2009 at 3:40 PM

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