Another Lancet embarrassment: Vaccine-scare doctor faked data
posted at 8:40 am on February 9, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
For more than ten years, debate has raged over a possible link between the MMR vaccine shot and autism in children. The routine injection creates immunities for children against mumps, measles, and rubella or German measles, but some parents have refused to give their children the vaccine after a British study strongly suggested that thimerosol, a preservative component, caused brain damage and autism. Now the Times of London reports that the author of the study, published by the British medical journal Lancet, faked the data in order to support his conclusions:
THE doctor who sparked the scare over the safety of the MMR vaccine for children changed and misreported results in his research, creating the appearance of a possible link with autism, a Sunday Times investigation has found.
Confidential medical documents and interviews with witnesses have established that Andrew Wakefield manipulated patients’ data, which triggered fears that the MMR triple vaccine to protect against measles, mumps and rubella was linked to the condition.
The research was published in February 1998 in an article in The Lancet medical journal. It claimed that the families of eight out of 12 children attending a routine clinic at the hospital had blamed MMR for their autism, and said that problems came on within days of the jab. The team also claimed to have discovered a new inflammatory bowel disease underlying the children’s conditions.
However, our investigation, confirmed by evidence presented to the General Medical Council (GMC), reveals that: In most of the 12 cases, the children’s ailments as described in The Lancet were different from their hospital and GP records. Although the research paper claimed that problems came on within days of the jab, in only one case did medical records suggest this was true, and in many of the cases medical concerns had been raised before the children were vaccinated. Hospital pathologists, looking for inflammatory bowel disease, reported in the majority of cases that the gut was normal. This was then reviewed and the Lancet paper showed them as abnormal.
Many parents may not have realized the anecdotal nature of the paper. Wakefield used an incredibly small sample, from only one clinic, did no other studies, and yet reached conclusions that apparently satisfied the Lancet well enough to publish the paper. As a result, British vaccination rates plunged from 98% to under 80%. Measles made a comeback, and two children have died of the disease in the intervening decade since Wakefield and Lancet published the fraudulent study.
Normally, science demands replicability in such studies, or at least a larger sample size. Since 1998, other scientists have wasted time trying to duplicate Wakefield’s results, to no avail:
No researchers have been able to replicate the results produced by Wakefield’s team in the Lancet study.
Some used statistics to see if autism took off in 1988, when MMR was introduced. It did not. Others used virology to see if MMR caused bowel disease, a core suggestion in the paper. It did not. Yet more replicated the exact Wakefield tests. They showed nothing like what he said. …
“This study created a sensation among the public that was impossible to counter, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary,” says Professor Gary Freed, director of the child health research unit at the University of Michigan, who has watched the scare take off in America.
“Overwhelming biologic and epidemiologic evidence has demonstrated conclusively that there is no association between the MMR vaccine and autism, and yet this thing goes on.”
Why does it go on and on? It strikes at the heart of parents everywhere, who just want to protect their children from harm. Injecting anything into the bodies of our children takes an act of faith in the science and the doctors who provide the vaccination or medication. Any hint that safety could be compromised will drive parents away from vaccination, and as we have seen, it doesn’t take much more than a suggestion to succeed in scaring parents away. Study after study showing no connection between vaccinations and autism have had little effect in alleviating the fright.
The Lancet just took another high-profile hit over its study estimating Iraqi civilian deaths during the war, in which its author refused to cooperate with his peers and reveal his methodology after the findings were discredited by later research. This time, they have the deaths of two children on their heads and the unnecessary revival of deadly diseases, thanks to the fraud they perpetrated on the Western world. Maybe someone should put the Lancet out of our misery.









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Typical. Egocentric researcher’s looking for attention. Look for the Hollywierd crowd to denounce the denouncers.
anniekc on February 9, 2009 at 8:46 AM
Scientists faking data? Well, it’s a good thing Al Gore’s minions never do (even though government-funded scientists have financial incentive to manufacture a crisis).
jgapinoy on February 9, 2009 at 8:46 AM
Apparently, Lancet is not a medical magazine but plays one on TV.
jon1979 on February 9, 2009 at 8:46 AM
As soon as I saw dippy, drug addict “celebrities” like Jenny McCarthy were on this bandwagon, I knew the whole thing was a fraud.
Sort of like our new President.
NoDonkey on February 9, 2009 at 8:47 AM
But it’s peer-reviewed! Therefore it must be true!
/typical liberal hack.
Add this, the Iraq casualty figures and Goebbels warming data and I have to wonder if the Left isn’t out to actually damage science with such high profile fraud.
rbj on February 9, 2009 at 8:47 AM
First, do no harm.
trubble on February 9, 2009 at 8:48 AM
Worst Week Ever: Lancet‘s impact factor.
(for all of us in the science fields)
LastRick on February 9, 2009 at 8:49 AM
If the facts don’t fit your theory change the facts.
Mr. Bingley on February 9, 2009 at 8:50 AM
Wow the Lancet is almost as big of a joke as the NYT.
Nice.
PimFortuynsGhost on February 9, 2009 at 8:52 AM
But what about the mother who sued over this very thing and won her case? Her daughter was normal until after the shot was given. Afterwards she became autistic.
Be careful in slamming Lancet over this, just b/c you dont agree with the other thigns they screwed up.
TheHat on February 9, 2009 at 8:52 AM
I’m still separating the shots. I don’t like the government telling me to trust them with what is in a syringe. I am selectively vaccinating my daughter and splitting up the shots to avoid overloading her immune system. There are so many stupid shots forced upon us now more than ever before. I’d like to have a choice. Dr. Green’s book is helpful.
Mommypundit on February 9, 2009 at 8:54 AM
But what about the mother who sued over this very thing and won her case? Her daughter was normal until after the shot was given. Afterwards she became autistic.
Well you sold me; one person is a sign of an obvious trend.
Bishop on February 9, 2009 at 8:54 AM
This junk science has been debunked for quite some time now.
California Study Finds No Link Between Vaccines, Autism
January 8, 2008
As a parent of an ASD kid as well as a trained scientist, I take pleasure in seeing these frauds exposed.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on February 9, 2009 at 8:55 AM
As a parent of a child on the Autism spectrum, I never bought into what this guy was selling. That’s exactly what it was too, cooking up conspiracy theories to gain fame and fortune at the expense of people who are deeply hurt by their child’s condition.
Being a mathematician, I’m further angered by the selling of ‘statistical significance’ as causality to people who don’t understand statistics.
I see other parents that bought into this and I think it’s a convenient way to back up denial of the idea that it just may be your genes and there’s nothing you can do other than learning to live with it.
Hell has an opening for this guy…
krl on February 9, 2009 at 8:55 AM
But what about the mother who sued over this very thing and won her case? Her daughter was normal until after the shot was given. Afterwards she became autistic.
Like juries aren’t influenced by inaccurate medical findings? Please.
anniekc on February 9, 2009 at 8:55 AM
I think parents who don’t vaccinate their kids should be arrested for child abuse. They put thier children at risk for catching diseases that could kill them.
Wakefield should be serving time for the recent Measles outbreaks that put thousands at risk. He politicized the issue to make a name for himself.
I’d throw Jenny McCarthy in there too but she’s an idiot anyway. How people believe a woman who’s only claim to fame is showing her cans in Playboy is beyond me.
Lay-Z on February 9, 2009 at 8:57 AM
Where’s the causal relationship?
If someone is going to publish a study that will scare people away from vaccines, they had better have strong evidence to support it – especially when there is a gullible population in Britain who already believes that global warming is a major problem and that Israel is worse than Hamas.
forest on February 9, 2009 at 8:58 AM
Embarrassment? Not at all. Not to them, at least.
These idiots are proud that they were able to pull the wool over people’s eyes for so long.
progressoverpeace on February 9, 2009 at 8:59 AM
Be careful in slamming Lancet over this…
We should be careful in criticizing them for publishing fraudulent data in a study with a sample size of 12, from a single clinic? Why?
Ed Morrissey on February 9, 2009 at 9:00 AM
No one knows how or why because the disease is so complex (multiple variables) that assigning blame to one thing is simply ludicrous.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on February 9, 2009 at 9:03 AM
Uh oh…Ed is here.
*straightens tie*
Bishop on February 9, 2009 at 9:03 AM
Since when is science determined by lawyers and a non-scientific jury, instead of by scientific evidence? This is a bit similar to what John Edwards did, giving the wrong motive for a child’s cerebral palsy in a courtroom, before a jury.
That’s not science, but quackery.
Ask the kids who got the measles after their peers returned home to OH or IN from a foreign country about two years ago. What was the cause of it? Children who were not given their vaccines before leaving the country, due to PARENTS who believe the quackery of vaccines = autism. I’m sure they never intended to harm anybody, only to “protect their children”, but they ended harming them – and other people’s children in the process.
All in the name of quackery.
Sorry, but my kids will get all their vaccines, at their scheduled times. Anything less is sheer irresponsible – towards mine, and towards other people’s.
Edward Janner and Jonas Salk must be spinning on their graves…
newton on February 9, 2009 at 9:03 AM
Exactly, Ed. If this were sent to a NIH study section as a grant application, it would have been laughed out of the door.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on February 9, 2009 at 9:03 AM
Not true. If it just had something about “global warming” in the title it would get twice the funding requested.
progressoverpeace on February 9, 2009 at 9:05 AM
Sorry Imus. This reminds me of Global Warming hysteria. One knucklehead can spoil the whole study, much like one volcano can spoil the whole CO2 argument.
sheriff246 on February 9, 2009 at 9:07 AM
I’m glad you are doing so. I’m a nurse and people who decide to not give kids vaccines on the basis of specious medical “research” like this irritates me.
In fact, there are now outbreaks of things like WHOOPING COUGH in sections of Canada and the US because of parents not immunizing their kids. Whooping cough is known as pertussis and we have a frigging vaccine for that. Instead, children are being placed at risk for things that are completely preventable and it’s irritating to my nurse-brain.
mjk on February 9, 2009 at 9:08 AM
+10
Oink on February 9, 2009 at 9:08 AM
I don’t believe the daughter was autistic, but has symptoms similar to those on the spectrum.
My kids were all vax’d on schedule, partially because it didn’t seem like a big deal, and partially because I didn’t think I had a choice (military hospitals). I do wish I had split up some shots, because my preemies got pretty damn sick after the combo shots. I don’t personally think autism comes from vaccinations… autism has been around for a while, it just wasn’t diagnosed at often. I was diagnosed as a high-functioning Aspie as an adult, and I don’t blame it on any shots I got, or any diet causes or anything else. It’s my genes.
The Lancet is being incredibly irresponsible here. The average person is going to respect what a doctor is going to say, and so people are going to believe these falsified studies. Personally, I don’t like being lied to by people with some assinine agenda – and I think that some of these parents need to accept the fact that the human mind is fragile, and you can’t always prevent things from going wrong. I guess they have to have someone to blame, other than leaving it up to fate.
Anna on February 9, 2009 at 9:08 AM
Global Warming in injection.
Mark Garnett on February 9, 2009 at 9:09 AM
“MAD SNAIL DISEASE!” [from an episode of Spongebob Squarepants. My two-year-old watches it and drives me crazy!!!!!!]
newton on February 9, 2009 at 9:09 AM
The sample size is simply not large enough.
It would be like taking the Earth’s temperature in one location on one day and declaring there’s global warming – manmade no less.
Oink on February 9, 2009 at 9:10 AM
Darn…
Global Warming in injection FORM…
FIFMS
Mark Garnett on February 9, 2009 at 9:10 AM
I love that episode – I like to think the writers are making fun of global warming hysterics.
Anna on February 9, 2009 at 9:10 AM
Overloading? Not true. Children are exposed to millions of bacteria and viruses anyway from day one.
I do the best I can to keep stuff clean and sterilize bottles every day for my two month old son but I can’t keep his environment completley germ free. Its nearly impossible to do so.
I like to have a choice too, like asking a second opinion from another doctor instead of making medical decisions myself that I am no way qualified to do so. I trust doctors who spent years in school and years in practice. All this sensationalism by the media demeaning medical professionals because of one bad apple puts people at risk because of manufactured fear.
Lay-Z on February 9, 2009 at 9:10 AM
FIFY
Sorry. It’s on my first microbiology exam for this semester.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on February 9, 2009 at 9:12 AM
The Lancet publishing false and fraudulent date for political purposes, IMPOSSIBLE /snark.
eaglewingz08 on February 9, 2009 at 9:14 AM
BTW, evolutionists have done the same thing, many times.
jgapinoy on February 9, 2009 at 9:15 AM
I got me MMR shot at 13. The worst side effect I can note is that my arm hurt like hell for the next 30 seconds, and dwindled progressively for about 3 hours later.
Otherwise, nothing noteworthy occurred.
BKennedy on February 9, 2009 at 9:16 AM
Forgot to tell you, guys.
My Little Fig, a cute little girl, was born about nine days ago. A huge surprise. At six-thirty, the water broke at home. At eight eighteen, she was born at the hospital!
She didn’t wait for her due date! (Feb. 9th – today!) Didn’t wait for the anesthesiologist to finish my epidural – im mid-procedure, I felt baby wanting to come out, whether I wanted it or not! Didn’t wait for my OB – she arrived to my L&D room one second after a group of L&D nurses delivered my baby, because she was in such a hurry to come out! And didn’t wait for her grandmother to arrive here – she did two days later. But Big Sister got to see her Little Sister for the first time that evening, and loves her a lot!
Needless to say, I’m on zombie-awake mode now…
newton on February 9, 2009 at 9:16 AM
Congratulations! Wow, sounds like you have a little impatient one on your hands. : D
Anna on February 9, 2009 at 9:18 AM
I’m sorry! I’m on zombie-awake more right now…
See explanation above.
newton on February 9, 2009 at 9:18 AM
It’s Bush’s fault.
rightside on February 9, 2009 at 9:19 AM
Oh yeah!
She’s up! Needs her diaper change and feeding!
newton on February 9, 2009 at 9:19 AM
Congrats.
What are you doing on the intertubes. Get your rest. You’re going to need it.
rbj on February 9, 2009 at 9:20 AM
She was awake with gas last night, until about 3:30 a.m. Poor sweetie!
newton on February 9, 2009 at 9:21 AM
While this study looks fraudulent, I know of two local families whose children received the MMR vaccine, and subsequently had high fevers and convulsions. Afterwards, they were diagnosed as autistic. Perhaps the vaccine is trying to guard against too many diseases in one shot.
Vashta.Nerada on February 9, 2009 at 9:24 AM
Will Michelle Malkin come out and retract her oft-repeated skeptical statements about the safety of MMR vaccines?
(e.g.:
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/03/24/in-defense-of-parents-with-informed-vaccine-skepticism/
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/
Outlander on February 9, 2009 at 9:26 AM
Wow, Ed gives me a response. Thanks Ed for the response.
Well, What is considered an approvalable sample size for a major study? 100, 10,000, 1 million? Look, I dont like all these government run studies any more then the next guy, but I would rather err on the side of caution, being a father of 5, then to just throw it out b/c some “expert” said the sample size wasnt big enough.
Lancet is probably horsecrap, I will agree there, but so are all the others in my opinion. There are so many conflicting reports on any given subject out there, who is one to believe?
All I am saying, is be careful of what the scientific world says is legit and what isnt. When it comes to medicine, there is more to it then what we are told. Doctors hand out antibiotics for the snifles, knowing full well it wont cure it. So what else do they do does or doesnt work that they arent telling us? Or has this side effect or that side effect that they arent telling us?
Look at the crap in Texas where the GOP fella, had ties to the board of that pharmacutical company, where they wanted to give shots to every 8-12 year old girl for STDs. You cant trust any of it IMO.
TheHat on February 9, 2009 at 9:26 AM
I had no idea Micheal Moore worked for Lancet!
Looking at the cut-and-paste lies they have to undertake to come to their bogus conclusions (vaccine/autism Iraqi deaths)
it parallels Mickey’s 9/11 propaganda perfectly.
Baxter Greene on February 9, 2009 at 9:27 AM
You mean Gov. Perry.
Oh, don’t worry. He didn’t get away with that.
newton on February 9, 2009 at 9:29 AM
I saw it too many times in my career. Research scientists with an agenda simply cannot produce results that shouldn’t always be suspect to a reasonable intellect. I was always amazed at how many of their peers elected to not question the methodology or the results.
The challenge was as much to determine if there existed an underlying agenda as it was to determine if the results were usable.
I was always skeptical if the presenter did not have at least a little doubt about their results, or made excuses for a suspiciously small sample population.
Yoop on February 9, 2009 at 9:32 AM
I agree with some of what you said. But the point about the antibiotics, i personally think that falls more on the parents than anyone. These same parents take their kids to the doctors as soon as they sneeze, and demand the doctors give them something. I just remember being a kid, and my mom would not take us to the doctor unless one of us stopped breathing, or had a limb hanging off.
MDWNJ on February 9, 2009 at 9:32 AM
Doctors hand out antibiotics for the snifles, knowing full well it wont cure it.
TheHat on February 9, 2009 at 9:26 AM
No, they actually don’t- it’s the parents who beg and threaten for the antibiotics, and if they don’t get them from the primary GP, they’ll go to a doc in the box and make up more symptoms. Parents don’t like being ” inconvenienced” by the everyday, minor, illnesses of childhood
anniekc on February 9, 2009 at 9:36 AM
First, why is Lancet still referred to as ‘respected’?
Second, I think the reason this is so easily believed is because Autism does at least seem more prevalent now, and nobody seems to be able to give an answer as to why. So I could claim dishwasher detergent is the culprit and people would take it seriously. I cant say I blame them really.
Dash on February 9, 2009 at 9:36 AM
Congrats!!! Enjoy your new addition to your family.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on February 9, 2009 at 9:40 AM
It’s all about money. Who cares if the claim is legit as long as there is money to be made. This world is on a crash course with learning there is more to life than just money.
Brat4life on February 9, 2009 at 9:40 AM
Somebody tell Don Imus and his wife. They’ve been raging about this for years.
rgeaste on February 9, 2009 at 9:42 AM
Partially true, I agree. To many parents dont have a clue and think antibiotics are cure alls. But I have to many doctors in my family and know to many to say that is the whole truth.
Alot of doctors just dont give a crap. I have been to a few of those. You know the doctor where you are explaining your problem, and before you are done, he has already written your prescription and left the room with your diagnosis? Those types.
TheHat on February 9, 2009 at 9:44 AM
The concept which ties together The Lancet, The New York Times, and global warming [aka climate change] in these discussions of vaccinations/autism is presenting opinion as fact.
And the creepy scientists who feel they have the right to manipulate data are despicable and repulsive.
LaMonte on February 9, 2009 at 9:45 AM
I wholeheartedly agree!
Troy Rasmussen on February 9, 2009 at 9:46 AM
Vaccines, like every other medical procedure, carries some risks. Lack of vaccinations for highly contagious diseases carry much great risks.
And now, another scientific project based on fraud. That 3 in major areas: this, the Iraqi death count and the “hockey stick” which became the poster child of the global warming debate.
I continue to find the case for mandatory vaccinations for less contagious diseases not compelling.
Laurence on February 9, 2009 at 9:52 AM
I’ve never heard of a doctor giving antibiotics for a cold either. When I was a kid, a cold resulted in bed rest and a day off from school.
Part of the problem is that more and more households are dual income families and taking a day off of work may not be so easy. Then again, I worked with several people who used plenty of sick days and vacation days to take care of sick children.
The other part of the problem is that younger generations, mine included, are impatient and want instant gratification. Instead of taking the time to take care of a sick child, they don’t want to be inconvienenced and want their kid to be well instantly.
I’m happy that now doctors are finally coming out to say that cough medicine doesn’t really help and shouldn’t be given to children under six. I can’t remember any time I’ve ever felt better after taking cough syrup.
Lay-Z on February 9, 2009 at 9:53 AM
To Ed’s question on sample size, let me say I would not trust anything less than six. And that only for a case where there is a control [here that would be six who have been vaccinated vs six who have not yet been]. For publication I would expect replication by the researcher and access to the data for others to evaluate.
But none of this matters if a creepy author decides to manipulate the data toward his own needs.
LaMonte on February 9, 2009 at 9:58 AM
Congrats on your blessed lil 09 tax exemption.
hawkdriver on February 9, 2009 at 10:00 AM
Hardly ‘hot off the press’.This opened the debate on the MMR
Parents wanted to hear other views ,not just the Government saying it was safe.
One of the reasons that caused anxiety,and a drop in uptake was our old mate Tony Blair.
Cherie Blair is a fan of alternative medicine,her sister has a child with autism and fronts a group against MMR.
When Leo Blair was due his MMR they wouldn’t say whether he
had been given it. Saying it was private.Even though it was his governments advice to the country that it safe.
Other’s like Gordon Brown has said his sons has received it.
Parents were scared,most chose to have the measle,mumps and rubella in separate doses. So not to overload the system in one go.
Parents just wanted the best and to make an informed choice we were not brain washed.
The take up of the MMR is 80%.The rest mostly pay for individual vaccines.
mags on February 9, 2009 at 10:02 AM
Clearly that study was crap.
However, my Nephew was diagnosed with Autism a bit more than 9 months after his MMR shots. Completely normal, charming, engaging kid before the shots, something different after the shots. Stopped babbling, stopped looking at anyone in the eye. Can anyone prove a connection? Nope. He’s going to be 14 this year. Since that diagnosis I’ve encountered a ridiculous number of families with the same stories. I’m not big on conspiracy theories, but it’s darned peculiar. I worked for several years at a non-profit that’s sole mission was providing job opportunities for developmentally disabled adults, and it does give you pause when you encounter the depth and breadth of the problem. Perhaps just a matter of my environment at the time, but I started encountering many families with the same stories in the same time period as my Nephew’s diagnosis. Smoke, fire? I just wish there was more study in this area, as there was a huge uptick in the statistics for Autism diagnosis in the past 15 years. Maybe they’re just catching more cases now because the tools and teaching is better, but who knows?
juanito on February 9, 2009 at 10:08 AM
Young Mother: No formula, just mommy’s healthy natural breast milk.
House: Yummy.
Young Mother: Her whole face just got swollen like this overnight.
House: Mmhmm. No fever, glands normal, missing her vaccination dates.
Young Mother: We’re not vaccinating.
[Baby giggles and coos]
Young Mother: [Takes a toy frog and starts to make frog sounds] Gribbit, gribbit, gribbit. [Giggles]
[Baby smiles and giggles too]
House: Think they don’t work?
Young Mother: I think some multinational pharmaceutical company wants me to think they work. Pad their bottom line.
House: Mmmm. May I? [He takes the frog and starts to do the gribbit noise with the baby]
Young Mother: [Whispered] Sure.
House: Gribbit, gribbit, gribbit. [The baby laughs] All natural no dies. That’s a good business: all-natural children’s toys. Those toy companies, they don’t arbitrarily mark up their frogs. They don’t lie about how much they spend in research and development. The worst a toy company can be accused of is making a really boring frog.
[Young Mother laughs and so does House. The baby giggles again]
House: Gribbit, gribbit, gribbit. You know another really good business? Teeny tiny baby coffins. You can get them in frog green or fire engine red. Really. The antibodies in yummy mummy only protect the kid for 6 months, which is why these companies think they can gouge you. They think that you’ll spend whatever they ask to keep your kid alive. Want to change things? Prove them wrong. A few hundred parents like you decide they’d rather let their kid die then cough up 40 bucks for a vaccination, believe me, prices will drop REALLY fast. Gribbit, gribbit, gribbit, gribbit, gribbit.
Young Mother: Tell me what she has.
House: A cold.
playblu on February 9, 2009 at 10:11 AM
The bottom line is that the researcher
And Lancet didn’t do their job, period.
Lancet lied; children died.
ladyingray on February 9, 2009 at 10:12 AM
CORRELATION DOES NOT IMPLY CAUSATION.
bilups on February 9, 2009 at 10:13 AM
Speaking as someone who has autism-I don’t think autism has anything to do with immunizations and everything to do with heredity.
I was dia. with Asperger’s Syndrome-at the upper end of the spectrum-at 33, my father probably had it and, my son(future US Marine) almosty certainly has a mild case of it.
If I hadn’t been given my shots I’d be a sick woman with a mild case of autism.
Being “autistic” is sometimes a curse…sometimes a gift-and always an adventure.
The autistic spectrum is what it is.
I wish that “researchers” would quit trying to fix us(those that are high-functional) because we’re not broken.
annoyinglittletwerp on February 9, 2009 at 10:18 AM
Not saying anything about the vaccinations or their effects, or your particular case, but the uptick in diagnoses of autism just happened to come after “Rain Man” came out. That’s also when the phrase “idiot savant” disappeared (after being used for so many years) to be replaced by “autistic savant”. And then, there’s also been a huge “epidemic” of ADHD diagnoses for an “ailment” that didn’t even exist 30 years ago.
We have more of a problem with the field of Psychiatry than anything. Every small personality quirk is now a disease.
Meanwhile, women used to have hysteria by the bucketload in the 19th century (having paralyzed limbs, unable to speak, …) but we never see that “disease” anymore. Why is that? Now, all the girls who would have had hysteria a century ago are now bullimic and anorexic. Hmmmmm.
progressoverpeace on February 9, 2009 at 10:23 AM
That’s exactly right. What if it just so happens that the onset of autism occurs around the same time that the vaccine is normally prescribed? Since most every child gets these vaccines, it’s not like you have a huge pool out there of vaccinated children vs. unvaccinated children to do a real good comparative analysis…
Outlander on February 9, 2009 at 10:25 AM
annoyinglittletwerp on February 9, 2009 at 10:18 AM
Curse, gift, or adventure, you are correct. Asperger’s Syndrome was my nephew’s early diagnosis years ago. Now, they just don’t know. He reads like a buzz saw, but the social part is his most difficult issue. Functionally, he’s at about the third grade level at 14. Were you able to get your son diagnosed? And give that kid a slap on the back from me, and thank him for his service! Tell him to stay safe!
juanito on February 9, 2009 at 10:25 AM
So basically you take one fraudulant researcher and conclude that vaccines are perfectly safe?
Did they disprove the figures in Denmark? The incidence of Autism in Denmark dramatically increased 729% since 1987 when MMR was introduced.
The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System has a database with 261,045 reported cases.
http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/stats.html
Yeah, so if I chose not to vaccinate my kids for diseases that for the most part are NOT live threatening like Chicken Pox, or any of the diseases I managed to live through as a kid, it’s not out of stupidity, nor is it because I looked at one study.
We vaccinate our kids WAY too much, and it’s all about money.
Another good sourse is a Neurosurgeon by the name of Russell Blaylock. He explains how the vaccines do the damage.
jjjen on February 9, 2009 at 10:38 AM
Virtually every child who gets this vaccine gets a fever, a small percentage develop permanent problems. The fraudulent Lancet study was about the preservative in the vaccine, no study has been done on any risk in the combination of vaccines. I never said there was any proven causation. I’d rather pay to split the vaccines than to trust either side on the issue.
Vashta.Nerada on February 9, 2009 at 10:39 AM
No. The point is that Lancet publishes junk (routinely, evidently) that no one can trust, and that hurts everyone. No one knows what the story with the vaccine is … until a legitimate study is done. But where will they publish it? Lancet?
Lancet should be shut down. It does more harm than good.
progressoverpeace on February 9, 2009 at 10:45 AM
I understand what you describe, but do you think that the symptoms as depicted in Rain Man are something that someone would ignore and not seek a diagnosis for? Something that severe has always been diagnosed. Regardless of how it is named, it is an issue that needs attention, and there were more cases of Autism / Development Disabilities over all in the past 15 – 20 years, and not refined to the simple “Autism” label, than previous to that period. And sure, there have been more diagnosed “mild” cases, but do you really think it’s because some parent was falling into a trend popularized by a movie 15 years ago?
juanito on February 9, 2009 at 10:47 AM
Juanito
My son’s a freshman in high school right now-he’s hoping to enlist in 2012.
As far as dia-they suspected something was up when he was 7.
He was put on Adderal that year and after I was officially diagnosed the “educators” put 2+2 together.
The Lord has been good to my son though.
He’s been off the meds for 2 years, has been consistently on honor roll, and since “smart but weird” is very in at his school-he’s quite popular.
My school experience was quite different.
It’s wonderful seeing how much things have changed.
annoyinglittletwerp on February 9, 2009 at 10:50 AM
Exactly. I’ve learned to accept the fact I’m not “normal,” I’ve figured out how to somewhat “fit in,” and I don’t want to be anybody else. I do hope that researchers can find a way to help those that are farther down the spectrum (with little function), though.
We think one of the twins is an Aspie like me, but we’re hesitant to treat him differently. It’s part of what makes him unique, and if I can learn to function, so can he. And so can other children.
Anna on February 9, 2009 at 10:50 AM
” Study after study showing no connection between vaccinations and autism..”
How about having study after study dealing specifically with whether or not the massive number of vaccinations poses a problem.
The CDC recommends vaccination against 14 vaccine-preventable diseases. Because some of these vaccines have to be administered more than once, a child may receive up to 23 shots by the time he or she is 2 years of age. Depending on the timing, a child might receive up to six shots during one visit to the doctor.
Zero studies as to whethr or not this is overloading or harmful to a CHILD. I think it is. I think you are a sheep if you sign on to the “just do it” mentality when it comes to your children and vaccinations.
Parents need to take a much closer look at this and spend the time and money to tackle this correctly. There is no harm in spreading out the vaccination schedule and splitting them up so as not to overload the child. There are also vitamins that can be taken for the week before and the week after that will help the childs system deal with the vaccine. WHY IS NONE OF THIS PUSHED?
America1st on February 9, 2009 at 10:50 AM
Anna
AMEN Sister!
annoyinglittletwerp on February 9, 2009 at 10:52 AM
..by legitimate you mean a multi-million dollar study? Who is going to finance that, the drug companies?…who stand to lose a LOT of money?
Personally, I try to follow the money trail. When you google “vaccine damage” or “vaccine adverse reactions” you get a lot of sites. What financial gain is it for those people if vaccines are eliminated or at least safer? But what financial gain do the manufacturers have to just keep jamming our kids with more and more vaccines?
What if vaccines cause ADD or ADHD? No problem, jam them full of Ridalin. chaaa ching, more money for them.
jjjen on February 9, 2009 at 10:55 AM
That’s FANTASTIC!
Agreed. Make the most of your blessings, and enjoy each day.
juanito on February 9, 2009 at 10:55 AM
This guy just made the cut to algore’s elite scientist review panel. kudos all around
gatorboy on February 9, 2009 at 10:57 AM
“So basically you take one fraudulant researcher and conclude that vaccines are perfectly safe?
Did they disprove the figures in Denmark? The incidence of Autism in Denmark dramatically increased 729% since 1987 when MMR was introduced.
The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System has a database with 261,045 reported cases.
http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/stats.html
Yeah, so if I chose not to vaccinate my kids for diseases that for the most part are NOT live threatening like Chicken Pox, or any of the diseases I managed to live through as a kid, it’s not out of stupidity, nor is it because I looked at one study.
We vaccinate our kids WAY too much, and it’s all about money.
Another good sourse is a Neurosurgeon by the name of Russell Blaylock. He explains how the vaccines do the damage.”
Could not agree more. I believe Denmark has a much more abbreviated vaccine sched. Basically only the majors.
A good idea would be to look at theirs and slow it down. One vaccine per 6 mos MINIMUM. Vitamins before and after.
For crying out loud the chicken pox vaccine is causing a huge increase in SHINGLES in young adults. What is the trade off for avoiding chicken pox in grade school for shingles in high school.
What about rotavirus? Primarily third world problem. They are testing it up here where it is not needed nor indicated. How comfortable are people with the whole vaccine thing when “they” are testing unnecessary vaccines but telling you “you should to be safe.”
America1st on February 9, 2009 at 10:57 AM
I believe Denmark has a much more abbreviated vaccine sched. Basically only the majors.
A good idea would be to look at theirs and slow it down. One vaccine per 6 mos MINIMUM. Vitamins before and after.
For crying out loud the chicken pox vaccine is causing a huge increase in SHINGLES in young adults. What is the trade off for avoiding chicken pox in grade school for shingles in high school.
What about rotavirus? Primarily third world problem. They are testing it up here where it is not needed nor indicated. How comfortable are people with the whole vaccine thing when “they” are testing unnecessary vaccines but telling you “you should to be safe.”
America1st on February 9, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Good points all, although I’m inclined to believe that autism has a strong fetal environment factor, rather than a hereditary one. I remember reading a while ago about the condition of the placenta and its possible connection to problems in the child later in life. I have to look for the article, though…
newton on February 9, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Exactly. It doesn’t hurt to be careful. Autism or no autism, it’s still a good idea to take care of one’s immune system.
Gina on February 9, 2009 at 11:01 AM
Newton
I was a preemie-and I’m sure that was a factor.
annoyinglittletwerp on February 9, 2009 at 11:01 AM
Me too, and so were my twins. My husband, also a preemie, has some of the same social issues as me, but not quite. Glad to know I’m not alone (in being diagnosed as an adult).
Anna on February 9, 2009 at 11:03 AM
Anyone who buys this anti-vaccine is a paranoid nutcase and is probably screwing up their kids in other ways.
If it’s “all about the money”, then why don’t they break up the shots so they can charge for multiple visits?
Because it’s completely unnecessary. The immune system does not get “overloaded” by the dead or weakened pathogens contained in vaccines, especially when it deals with billions of pathogens on a daily basis.
Disease has killed more human beings than anything except war. If you don’t vaccinate your child you are doing the child an extreme disservice.
NoDonkey on February 9, 2009 at 11:09 AM
This is unusually strong for you, Ed, especially since you note it was a “suggestion” of a link, and not an assertion of casuality. I’m not even sure the full purpose was as much the MMR connection, as the new bowel disease discovered, that was also trumpeted by Wakefield.
In any event, from some altatvista’ing, a column by Ian Murray in the London Times in 1998 noted that the Lancet had an accompanying editorial in that issue that
c confuse association with causality and shun immunisation.”
I understand via another comment in that same thread, that the Lancet had four peer reviewers instead of the normal two for this publication.
Back to Murray’s column, supposedly,
I’m no fan of the Lancet and the Iraq War deaths report is mostly the reason, as it was clearly not medical but political in nature. Apart from that and of course the Lancet should keep in mind the general publicity of the their work, their primary function is to report to the medical world of important work going on in their fields of study. That it looks as though it was Wakefield who perpetrated a fraud in the medical field, something that peer reviewers are hardly expected to discover, is the more important matter. In fact, if this was a fraud by Wakefield alone, again according to the Murray column, even the dean of the medical school which sponsored (if sponsored is the apt word) appeared to be unaware of the fraud, in that he was adamant about > Arie Zuckerman, Dean of the medical school, was adamant about continuing with the MMR vaccine, saying: “If this were to precipitate a scare that reduced the rate of immunisation, children will start dying from measles.”
While there appears to have been some skepticism voiced in the news reports I saw, I doubt that was the general tenor in the MSM and that, I think, moreso, is where your rancor should be directed because many of the same people there continue to do it day in and day out.
Dusty on February 9, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Anna
Have you read “Look Me in the Eye” by John Elder Robison?
It’s a must read for Aspies.
http://www.johnrobison.com
annoyinglittletwerp on February 9, 2009 at 11:16 AM
“There’s lies; damn lies; then there’s Lancet.”
Same sh1t; different pointy head, lab coat idiot wanting the grant dollars to keep flowing.
EM correctly points out the big problem: once these erroneous dipsticks get published, their ‘science’ becomes a magic reference source for demagoguery. (see: glow bull warming)
As a father of an autistic son, I’ve followed this information closely.
Most reputable science points to autism as being a genetic defect, not an environmental effect (MMR vaccine).
New studies indicate Flaws in Placenta May Be Early Sign of Autism.
It’s unclear if this a cause-effect relationship.
locomotivebreath1901 on February 9, 2009 at 11:18 AM
As a father of two kids under 4, I have stressed out on this subject many times and have done a lot of research.
There are two things to keep in mind:
1) Autism rates have been climbing dramatically over the past 10-15 years. Nobody knows why.
2) Regardless if the thimerosal causes autism or not, I don’t think anyone would deny that thimerosal is NOT a GOOD thing to pump into a child’s body. From what I’ve read in the past, the amount of Mercury in the MMR shot is significant, especially for a child, and rushes straight to the brain after injection.
I’m no expert and it’s been too long so I no longer have a supporting link for the above, so someone can call me out on that last statement if you’d like.
My kids have never missed a vaccination and never will. However, every year I try to find a thimerosal-free flu shot for them to get. If it’s available, why not get that one instead of the shot with thimerosal?? I’ve found that people scoff at that as if I’m doing something wrong by looking for a shot that won’t pump mercury into my child’s system.
Hey, maybe it’s paranoia, but better safe than sorry, especially when it comes to my kids. Not something I will ever apologize for, or even feel the need to.
rhinoishere on February 9, 2009 at 11:19 AM
You get no disagreement from me on this. What I am saying, though, is that autism became more popular among psychiatrists (and parents) to diagnose after that. This ties in somewhat with the discussion above (in some comments) about doctors prescribing antibiotics for flus and other viral problems (for which antibiotics are less than useless).
The extreme cases, like Rain Man, have always been identified (as it’s tough to avoid them) but the diagnoses have stretched out to a much larger section of the population as the diagnosis started being accepted by the public. Years ago, if you told a parent their kid was autistic (minor autism) the parents would throw a fit and accuse the psychiatrist of all sorts of things. Nowadays, since everyone else seems to have it the diagnosis is accepted without any complaints (and then some).
I have to strongly disagree, here. The naming is of utmost importance, since there is no purely physiological method for diagnosis. You have to remember that psychiatrists are open to peer pressure, just like everyone else, and they prove themselves more susceptible on many occasions.
There have been upticks in cases of all sorts of psychiatric illnesses.
Not just parents, but the psychiatrists, too. Psychiatry is very often nothing but fashion. At times, this fashion is very real, as with the case of female hysteria from the 19th century that I talked about. There’s no question that those women had real problems, but paralysis was not it. And it is very odd that such a “disease” would affect a whole group at once and stop affecting the same group just as quickly.
I’m not saying that all of these diagnoses are incorrect. Not at all. But a lot of them are and a lot of kids are affected by kids around them. One might look into the mainstreaming of the special-ed kids and how that changed diagnoses, too. I would be willing to bet that there is a corelation to be found there, though I’m just shooting from the hip on this and have no studies to point at.
One must always keep in mind that personalities are very complex things and are affected by the environment in ways that we do not understand. Think of it in the same way that yawning is contagious. It seems odd, but it happens and is a very strong effect.
BTW, I have, at one point or another, asked all of my psychiatrist/psychologist friends about the hysteria problem and what happened to it (changing, it seems, to bullimia and anorexia) and have never gotten a decent answer. It is fashion, but psychiatrists would never admit that, since it throws lots of their field into the same realm as clothing designers.
progressoverpeace on February 9, 2009 at 11:31 AM
From the CDC website:
Since 2001, with the exception of some influenza (flu) vaccines, thimerosal is not used as a preservative in routinely recommended childhood vaccines.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal.htm
So currently, mercury isn’t even in MMR shots.
NoDonkey on February 9, 2009 at 11:33 AM
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