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President Obama, infanticide happens; Update: Physician license suspended

posted at 8:32 am on February 6, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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President Barack Obama in 2003 insisted that abortion clinics don’t commit infanticide because … well, because they’re doctors:

[T]he only plausible rationale, to my mind, for this legislation would be if you had a suspicion that a doctor, the attending physician, who has made the assessment that this is a nonviable fetus and that, let’s say for the purposes of the mother’s health, is being — that — that labor is being induced, that that physician (a) is going to make the wrong assessment and (b) if the physician discovered, after the labor had been induced, that, in fact, he made an error, and in fact this was not a nonviable fetus but, in fact, a live child, that the physician, of his own accord or her own accord, would not try to exercise the sort of medical procedures and practices that would be involved in saving that child.

Now, if — if you think that there are possibilities that doctors would not do that, then maybe this bill makes sense, but I — I suspect and my impression is, is that the Medical Society suspects that doctors feel that they would already be under that obligation[.]

Reality:

Eighteen and pregnant, Sycloria Williams went to an abortion clinic outside Miami and paid $1,200 for Dr. Pierre Jean-Jacque Renelique to terminate her 23-week pregnancy.

Three days later, she sat in a reclining chair, medicated to dilate her cervix and otherwise get her ready for the procedure.

Only Renelique didn’t arrive in time. According to Williams and the Florida Department of Health, she went into labor and delivered a live baby girl.

What Williams and the Health Department say happened next has shocked people on both sides of the abortion debate: One of the clinic’s owners, who has no medical license, cut the infant’s umbilical cord. Williams says the woman placed the baby in a plastic biohazard bag and threw it out.

Police recovered the decomposing remains in a cardboard box a week later after getting anonymous tips.

Obama tried denying that this practice occurs in order to suck up to the abortion industry and help them avoid responsibility for killing live infants.  Jill Stanek had already testified that she personally had witnessed this practice as a nurse at Christ Hospital in Chicago, which was affiliated with Obama’s own church, Trinity United Church of Christ.  The Illinois legislature heard further testimony that as many as 40% of late-term abortions resulted in a live birth, whom staff would abandon until death rather than provide the necessary medical care to save the infants’ lives.

But Obama, in thrall of Planned Parenthood and Big Abortion, continued to deny it.

The story actually gets a little worse:

The complaint says one of the clinic owners, Belkis Gonzalez came in and cut the umbilical cord with scissors, then placed the baby in a plastic bag, and the bag in a trash can.

Williams’ lawsuit offers a cruder account: She says Gonzalez knocked the baby off the recliner chair where she had given birth, onto the floor. The baby’s umbilical cord was not clamped, allowing her to bleed out. Gonzalez scooped the baby, placenta and afterbirth into a red plastic biohazard bag and threw it out.

Apparently this was preferable to “punishing” Williams with a child.  At least that’s what Barack Obama thought in 2001-3, when he had an opportunity to defend innocent life and stop this practice.

Update: Jill Stanek notes that the physician’s license to practice has been suspended as a result of the investigation:

The Florida Board of Medicine has revoked the license of a doctor following a badly botched abortion the doctor never showed up to. …

The Board of Medicine revoked [his] license to practice medicine, at a hearing in Tampa. Neither Renelique nor his attorney would answer questions from ABC Action News.com.

Jill also catches an interesting quote from another link, which appears to be down:

Renelique’s attorney, Joseph Harrison, told the medical board, “His record of a lifetime of practicing medicine does not warrant revocation.”

The patient, Harrison said, “came in for an abortion. This patient came in to have the fetus rendered and terminated.”

The defense of this action is that “the patient wanted a baby killed, and that’s what she got”?  Either that, or “What’s a little infanticide between colleagues”?  Got it.

Also, the original Buffalo News report appears to have been cleansed.  The Kid from Brooklyn send the link from the Boston Herald, which remains in its original form.


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I know I should be generous and give Obama the benefit of the doubt and say he really had no idea this sort of thing went on, but I can’t. Jill Stanek was very clear in her testimony before him, and his response was that of a cold hearted monster. We have an evil man as our president.

Truly scary.

pannw on February 6, 2009 at 8:36 AM

Worse than a Marxist – a monster.

pugwriter on February 6, 2009 at 8:37 AM

Thanks, Ed, for ruining my day (not the first time). To coin a phrase from Ann Coulter, these people are truly Godless.

CarolynM on February 6, 2009 at 8:38 AM

I wonder if the “do unto others…” proverb ever landed on his enormous ears?

Mr Snuggle Bunny on February 6, 2009 at 8:39 AM

Barack, putting his hand on Michelle’s tummy several years ago:
“The baby’s kicking!”
Michelle patiently corrects him:
“Remember, that’s not a baby. It’s a part of my body.”
Barack:
“Oh, yeah. I guess that’s above my pay grade.”

jgapinoy on February 6, 2009 at 8:39 AM

Heartbreaking.

bridgetown on February 6, 2009 at 8:39 AM

Mothers killing their own children is the holy sacrament of liberalism. The Democratic party is the high priest who offers this sacrifice.

Mojave Mark on February 6, 2009 at 8:40 AM

Sad. I would have gladly adopted this child…

jbh45 on February 6, 2009 at 8:41 AM

Obama has the vibe of the worst kind of salesman: A polite, smiling, well-dressed, gentlemanly sort who claims to have your best interests at heart but is really nothing more than a whitewashed tomb.

Is evil too strong a word?

pugwriter on February 6, 2009 at 8:41 AM

If I had witnessed what you just described, I would in jail for biohazarding the doctor and the owner. No OJ or Blake lawyer would ride to my rescue and Oprah would never read the book.

Limerick on February 6, 2009 at 8:41 AM

Williams’ lawsuit offers a cruder account: She says Gonzalez knocked the baby off the recliner chair where she had given birth, onto the floor. The baby’s umbilical cord was not clamped, allowing her to bleed out. Gonzalez scooped the baby, placenta and afterbirth into a red plastic biohazard bag and threw it out.

Take the person out back, throw a couple of hollow points in ‘em.

blatantblue on February 6, 2009 at 8:42 AM

That poor baby. When I look at my little granddaughter who is smiling at me and kicking her legs, I could cry.

Ellen on February 6, 2009 at 8:42 AM

I wonder if the “do unto others…” proverb ever landed on his enormous ears?

Mr Snuggle Bunny on February 6, 2009 at 8:39 AM

In the prayer breakfast speech he claimed his “spiritual” mother taught him this principle.

His enormous ears heard; his cold heart rejected.

Disturb the Universe on February 6, 2009 at 8:43 AM

If life doesn’t start at conception, can we at least say it starts the moment you’re born?

LastRick on February 6, 2009 at 8:43 AM

I fail to understand the issue that pro-abortion folks have with this. What’s the difference between birthing the child at 23 weeks and killing her or foregoing the birth and killing her inside the womb and sucking out the remains? Why is this story so “grotesque” to an abortion supporter, other than because it exposes the “grotesqueness” of abortion to a larger audience?
I’ve heard this called a “botched abortion”? A “failed abortion”? I fail how to see it was a failure in any way. The baby died. Wasn’t that the intent? Wasn’t that Williams’ intent?
“Murder charges”? If this was murder, then perhaps someone could explain the difference between this and an abortion that wasn’t “botched”.

Send_Me on February 6, 2009 at 8:45 AM

If life doesn’t start at conception, can we at least say it starts the moment you’re born?

Sorry. No can do. Life only begins at the moment you’re wanted.

CDeb on February 6, 2009 at 8:45 AM

Just F****** sick.

rightside on February 6, 2009 at 8:45 AM

But it’s perfectly okay to do all of this, because even though it’s a human being allowed to die, the baby hasn’t achieved “personhood” yet (Isn’t that the preferred pro-choice term?).

Pope Linus on February 6, 2009 at 8:46 AM

Send_Me on February 6, 2009 at 8:45

Bravo.

CDeb on February 6, 2009 at 8:46 AM

Prosecute for murder. At the very least, once the baby’s out of the womb it is a person.

rbj on February 6, 2009 at 8:47 AM

Oslime-a is a despicable sack of shit.

csdeven on February 6, 2009 at 8:47 AM

Well, I can see why Obama is now including humanists in his prayer…those darn Christians are holding him accountable.

right2bright on February 6, 2009 at 8:48 AM

Is evil too strong a word?
pugwriter on February 6, 2009 at 8:41 AM

No. I quote C.S. Lewis:
“The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid ‘dens of crime’ that Dickens loved to paint. It is not done even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice.”
~From the preface of The Screwtape Letters

Send_Me on February 6, 2009 at 8:50 AM

Looks like the country is being run by a Flim-Flam man…

DL13 on February 6, 2009 at 8:50 AM

And the left claimed that Bush had blood on his hands for the thousands of innocent Iraqi’s who died as a result of the invasion of Iraq. I wonder If they will make the same claim about Obama when his policy on abortion results in the deaths of millions of innocent children all over the world.

Dreadnought223 on February 6, 2009 at 8:50 AM

Well, according to Senator Barbara Boxer, a baby ain’t a baby until you take it home.

Freaks. All of them!!!!

Sub-human filth!

blatantblue on February 6, 2009 at 8:50 AM

The clinic owner who cut the cord and threw the babay away as unwanted garbage should be tried for premeditated murder.

The rest of the ownership and staff should be tried as accomplices to murder.

Mr Purple on February 6, 2009 at 8:52 AM

We have an evil man as our president.

Truly scary.

pannw on February 6, 2009 at 8:36 AM

Worse than a Marxist – a monster.

pugwriter on February 6, 2009 at 8:37 AM

I don’t think he’s evil or a monster, just opportunistic and spineless. I’m sure that if he could’ve found political profit in voting for the protection of children born alive he would’ve done so.

He’s Jimmy Carter, not Iatolah Khomeini. Not that I take much comfort in that thought.

OscarSchneegans on February 6, 2009 at 8:52 AM

Typical Liberal, he views any life form as a menace to the planet…

POS this man is…

Keemo on February 6, 2009 at 8:53 AM

Liberal first.

Human second.

snickelfritz on February 6, 2009 at 8:53 AM

“It really disturbed me,” said Joanne Sterner, president of the Broward County chapter of the National Organization for Women, after reviewing the administrative complaint against Renelique. “I know that there are clinics out there like this. And I hope that we can keep (women) from going to these types of clinics.”

Guess Obambi should have spoken to the president of his local chapter of NOW. They seem to know all about the practice.

ctmom on February 6, 2009 at 8:53 AM

Monsterous! This is simply something out of a horror story. A society that not only allows this to happen, but also fights for it as some sort of sick right cannot hope to survive. Talk about your calling out God’s wrath! We are in trouble in this country. We are in big trouble.

King of the Britons on February 6, 2009 at 8:54 AM

If this was murder, then perhaps someone could explain the difference between this and an abortion that wasn’t “botched”.

Send_Me on February 6, 2009 at 8:45 AM

A “botched” abortion” is one that gets talked about.

Evil is not a strong enough word for this.

BigD on February 6, 2009 at 8:54 AM

And yet, here we sit, with monster dirt-bag as the CIC of America… it’s just so hard for me to understand… that ANY American could have voted for this POS is just sad… his policies along with the radical left have alot more of this in store for us all… and yet, here we sit…

Mark Garnett on February 6, 2009 at 8:55 AM

OscarSchneegans on February 6, 2009 at 8:52 AM

Opportunistic and spineless when it comes to the murder of innocent children is evil.

CDeb on February 6, 2009 at 8:55 AM

OscarSchneegans on February 6, 2009 at 8:52 AM

Little early to claim that any of us know just how much of a monster this man is, don’t you think… So far I’d say this guy is Jimmy Carter on steroids, with a little of Hitler’s ideology mixed in.

Keemo on February 6, 2009 at 8:56 AM

Old news. Not sure why we are rehashing it. Over 50% of the public didn’t care before the election. I doubt they care now.

mwdiver on February 6, 2009 at 8:56 AM

Our very own death cult, complete with figurehead.

No wonder Ogabe made his first phone call as POTUS to the Palestinians, they have similar outlooks.

Bishop on February 6, 2009 at 8:56 AM

These sick monsters will burn in hell.

maineconservative on February 6, 2009 at 8:56 AM

We’ve already passed the U.S. troop death in Iraq with abortions done since the Obamanator has been El Presidente.

leetpriest on February 6, 2009 at 8:57 AM

Disgusting behavior of the left. Killing a child to get “rid of the problem.”

Sick people we have living in America and in the White House.

jencab on February 6, 2009 at 8:57 AM

that is sick…

becki51758 on February 6, 2009 at 8:57 AM

Remember, the child that he doesn’t want his daughter “punished” with is his own grandchild.

obladioblada on February 6, 2009 at 8:58 AM

Old news. Not sure why we are rehashing it. Over 50% of the public didn’t care before the election. I doubt they care now.

They might start caring if the process were shown on tv.

I mean it can’t be any worse than a vid of someone having knee surgery or getting a mole removed, since a baby is just a lump of tissue until it takes its first breath.

Bishop on February 6, 2009 at 8:58 AM

If you are a Catholic, and you voted for Obama- You WILL reap what you have sown.

ExTex on February 6, 2009 at 8:58 AM

This is just such an evil stain on this society.

Sad. I would have gladly adopted this child…

jbh45 on February 6, 2009 at 8:41 AM

That was my first thought as well. My second thought, these women who are having this done, what does this do to them mentally, maybe not immediately, but later in life?

4shoes on February 6, 2009 at 8:58 AM

CDeb on February 6, 2009 at 8:55 AM

Thank you.

pannw on February 6, 2009 at 8:59 AM

If life doesn’t start at conception, can we at least say it starts the moment you’re born dropped on the floor and executed?

LastRick on February 6, 2009 at 8:43 AM

Fixed

Rovin on February 6, 2009 at 8:59 AM

Opportunistic and spineless when it comes to the murder of innocent children is evil.

CDeb on February 6, 2009 at 8:55 AM

I concede.

OscarSchneegans on February 6, 2009 at 8:59 AM

Another paragraph from the article needs to be pointed out.

An autopsy determined Williams’ baby – she named her Shanice – had filled her lungs with air, meaning she had been born alive, according to the Department of Health. The cause of death was listed as extreme prematurity.

IMHO, cause of death…..MURDER!!!!!!!!!!!

milwife88 on February 6, 2009 at 9:00 AM

Eh. The pro-abortion people will just say we will get many more of these if abortion is criminalized and women are forced to the back-alley unlicensed abortionists. These types of incidents give them MORE ammunition, not less. And they will argue that this is the result of pro-life protestors and government policies – there are not enough “abortion providers” so we get situations like this which result in an actual birth and death of the child.

rockmom on February 6, 2009 at 9:00 AM

As I said before, there’s no difference between abortion and what happened to Sycloria Williams’ baby. The owner did EXACTLY what Williams intended to do in the first place, albeit a different way. If there’s outrage over this, then there should be outrage over “standard” abortions as well. The ends are the same.

nickj116 on February 6, 2009 at 9:00 AM

But …but…but… He IS the messiah!?

grapeknutz on February 6, 2009 at 9:01 AM

“You love life. We love death.”

Who’s philosophy is this?

Loxodonta on February 6, 2009 at 9:02 AM

What does the caption on the picture linked to this entry say?

Punishment
//and then too small to read

chansen9 on February 6, 2009 at 9:02 AM

You just don’t get it, is the one that is doing it, it does not matter. It did not matter before, they elected him president, why would it matter now? I have been calling this man evil since the time that these things came to public light and no, it is not too strong a word because anybody that hears these things and shows no compassion is evil and no different from the Taliban or Al Qaeda that seek the distruction of innocent people. Just sick and evil. I’ll pray for is soul to experience real change and hope he finds the light on this issue.

TitleofLiberty on February 6, 2009 at 9:04 AM

This is perfectly acceptable according to the tenets of the religion of liberalism.

JammieWearingFool on February 6, 2009 at 9:05 AM

chansen9 on February 6, 2009 at 9:02 AM

From what I can make out it is a quote from Obama that he used during his campaign. Not sure of the exact verbage but, he said words to the effect that he didn’t want his girls “burdened with a baby”.

milwife88 on February 6, 2009 at 9:06 AM

Liberals such as Ashley Judd are too busy saving Alaskan wolves (which kill caribou!!) to worry about human babies.

My new grandson (my first) was just born. I saw sonograms at 15 and 20 weeks.

I cannot comprehend people who would have been willing to kill him.

fred5678 on February 6, 2009 at 9:06 AM

If accepting the responsibility for someone else’s life is a “punishment”, why did this clown want to be President? He is now responsible for all our lives.

It’s not a choice, it’s not a bunch of tissue, it’s not a “punishment”. It is a innocent life.

kingsjester on February 6, 2009 at 9:07 AM

That was my first thought as well. My second thought, these women who are having this done, what does this do to them mentally, maybe not immediately, but later in life?

4shoes on February 6, 2009 at 8:58 AM

Well, I’m sure most of us posters know someone who has had one, whether we actually know it or not.

I know two, and not a day goes by that they don’t think about it. One recently had one, and she’s pretty much going crazy.

But don’t fret, Justice Kennedy assures us that women who have mental problems after only have them because they had problems prior to the abortion. So, you know, women come out just fine.

In fact, women have abortions, and then are able to meet their girlfriends at Olive Garden right after.
/sarc off.

blatantblue on February 6, 2009 at 9:07 AM

I am absolutely convinced that God has a special place in Hell for these people…at Satan’s right hand. When the legions of Genghis Khan used to murder pregnant women and rip the child from their womb, we call it the worst kind of barbarism. When an abortion clinic does much the same thing, we call it “Right to Choose.” The moral equivalency is absolutely identical, without any shade of nuance, but somehow those depraved jackals in the pro-choice lobby don’t see the parallel for what it is.

Flyover Country on February 6, 2009 at 9:08 AM

chansen9 on February 6, 2009 at 9:02 AM

“if [my daughters] make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

- Senator Barack Obama (2008)

Loxodonta on February 6, 2009 at 9:08 AM

Original image can be seen here. It’s the “punished with a baby” quote.

LastRick on February 6, 2009 at 9:09 AM

The left gets so worked up over the torture techniques that intelligence services use against evil jihadist murderers captured on the battlefield…. yet this business is no problem for the left. Truly a twisted view of the world. I don’t get it.

maineconservative on February 6, 2009 at 9:09 AM

not a nonviable fetus

=human being

Actually, a lot of people are “nonviable” without a life support system and we still consider them human beings. Or should we round up all the people with pacemakers or the people on dialysis or the AIDS patients on Ziagen or… you get the idea… and have them “terminated”?

mankai on February 6, 2009 at 9:10 AM

Belkis Gonzalez

Toss this POS in a plastic bag!!

christene on February 6, 2009 at 9:10 AM

I’m absolutely dumbfounded by this whole thing. I can’t believe that anyone would do this, and yes, it has ruined my day. But sometimes the truth will do that, I guess.

funsutton on February 6, 2009 at 9:11 AM

maineconservative on February 6, 2009 at 9:09 AM

Gotta love how they always toss out the:

IF YOU’RE PRO-LIFE, HOW CAN YOU BE PRO-WAR?!?!/!

I’ve tried to explain to these snot-nosed, greasy, matted-haired, bra-less, tongue pierced, c*ck hopping liberal women that there is a difference between an adult enemy entity that is threatening your existence and quality of life, and an innocent life form inside of a mommy’s tummy.

They don’t get it. But then again, these pukes have probably been teased their whole lives for being freaks, so they enjoy picking on things smaller than they. F’ing freaks. F em all.

blatantblue on February 6, 2009 at 9:12 AM


“It really disturbed me,” said Joanne Sterner, president of the Broward County chapter of the National Organization for Women, after reviewing the administrative complaint against Renelique. “I know that there are clinics out there like this. And I hope that we can keep (women) from going to these types of clinics.”

Well Ms. Sterner, if you care so much about women going to these types of clinics, what exactly is NOW doing about it? I tell you…..NOTHING. We all know that the right to kill your fetus is above all.

bloggless on February 6, 2009 at 9:12 AM

What sickens me are the Christians–regardless of the denomination–who stand in support of this POS president because they’ve somehow developed the impression that Obama is compassionate, while conservatives are cruel. Bush probably did more to spread compassion than Obama ever will. Obama will merely ensure that money gets channelled to inner-city poverty merchants and extortion artists (in other words, his community-organizing friends) who will flush it down the toilet.

To Jim Wallis and his Soujourners group, Doug Kmiec, and any other “Christian” who supports Obama, I say, “Here’s your boy; you and he have no souls. And I can’t wait until your faith-based funding begins to dry up because Obama’s recent executive orders dictating who you can hire and so forth begins conflicting with whatever religious convictions you actually have. You people can ride to hell with Obama. You absolutely make my skin crawl.”

BuckeyeSam on February 6, 2009 at 9:12 AM

Prosecute for murder. At the very least, once the baby’s out of the womb it is a person.
rbj on February 6, 2009 at 8:47 AM

I don’t want to come off as if I’m attacking you here. I would caution you from ceding to the pro-abortion folks that life begins outside the womb. Pro-life folks can’t afford to cede this point. It sets a bad precedent. For example, when folks were talking about Sarah Palin’s baby, Trig, and her daughter, Bristol, and her child, the Palins and others spoke of the “tough decision” to have these children. This goes back to the cultural hegemony thing: we can’t allow ourselves to become the “choose life” crowd as opposed to the “pro-life” crowd. There is a big difference. By saying “choose life”, we’ve conceded the point that it is, in fact, a choice to of life or abortion. A pro-life person should say, “there is no choice. A life is a life.” I hope this comes across in a way that’s not construed as mean-spirited.

Send_Me on February 6, 2009 at 9:12 AM

Mr. Obama is looking less and less like “The Messiah” and more and more like the anti-Christ. Our sitting president appears to be an evil man.

I hope that Mr. Obama fails miserably, in his attempt to destroy all that is decent and honorable about our great nation. It is easy to create and build nothing but tear down the hard work of others.

Obama gets no pass for being so incredibly stupid, as to pass the buck and hand off HIS stimulus package to Pelosi and Company. How many more errors in judgment will we permit Mr. Obama to commit against us and our unborn children, before we say enough-is-enough?

sinsing on February 6, 2009 at 9:14 AM

Repulsive and heartbreaking.

lostinjrz on February 6, 2009 at 9:15 AM

This is why I believe Obama is a bad person, and not just someone with good intentions who just happens to be completely wrong about most things.

Only a self-serving monster could condone such a thing.

patriette on February 6, 2009 at 9:16 AM

I’m dumbfounded as to how this practice is legal. I’m marginally pro-choice, but this isn’t pro-choice, this is murder.

anniekc on February 6, 2009 at 9:16 AM

For the love of God, when are you Christians going to start rioting in the streets over murders like this? I am not a Christian, but I am on your side on 90% of issues and reading a story like this makes me want to punch people. So tired how nice and passive we conservatives are…

ClassicCon on February 6, 2009 at 9:17 AM

A pro-life person should say, “there is no choice. A life is a life.” I hope this comes across in a way that’s not construed as mean-spirited.

Send_Me on February 6, 2009 at 9:12 AM

+100
Pithy and to the point, well said it is not mean-spirited.

maineconservative on February 6, 2009 at 9:17 AM

I don’t think he’s evil or a monster, just opportunistic and spineless. I’m sure that if he could’ve found political profit in voting for the protection of children born alive he would’ve done so.

He’s Jimmy Carter, not Iatolah Khomeini. Not that I take much comfort in that thought.

OscarSchneegans on February 6, 2009 at 8:52 AM

Well sorry if I disagree with you on this one but this is more than not having principles, this is having the principles of the left where this is seen as the right thing to do so yes, he is evil. He heard the testimony that you just read here and much more and did not change his mind, why? I submit to you that these are his principles, remember his “above my pay grade level” answer? Why do you think he answered that way? Because he knew that saying what he truly thinks about abortion would have outraged many folks out there and sadly most of the people that voted for him did not know enough about this to know what he truly is.

TitleofLiberty on February 6, 2009 at 9:17 AM

Government is nothing if it does not protect human life.

There should be prosecution in this case. Even if the evidence ultimately is insufficient to convict, notice will be served and the moral line will have been drawn.

Greek Fire on February 6, 2009 at 9:19 AM

Ed – Please see Allahpundit to become enlightened.To quote our fear-mongering leader : ‘It’s just the beginning.’

Fuquay Steve on February 6, 2009 at 9:19 AM

I think (IMHO) that sex ed for highschoolers should include the stages of pregnancy(including the ultrasound videos of how the baby is progressing) and then detail video of the procedure of a late term abortion taking place. Just to be fair give them the planned parenthood meme that this is just tissue thats being murdered, then let the student decide for themselves.

The left(including some in the news) has taken to calling right to lifers “terrorists”-and tossing in “well you support the war and killing foreign babies, what is the difference between killing American babies and killing foreign babies”.Or “if you support the death penalty then why are you against abortion”. Its not hard for them to miss the entire point, or blatantly try to sell their bill of goods on the back of hypocrisy.

We have studies that show that these infants can feel pain by 20 weeks gestation. The latest studies are beginning to show that as early as 13 weeks the fetus(human baby)responds to pain stimuli. I read this write up yesterday and thought it was profound when the girl having birthed the baby said the minute she saw that it was indeed a baby-she did not want her baby to die. Mr Obama infanticide does indeed happen, and planned parenthood and its associates are neck deep in many crimes. We can pray you see the light,but we know its all above your paygrade.

canditaylor68 on February 6, 2009 at 9:19 AM

ClassicCon on February 6, 2009 at 9:17 AM

Yep. I don’t believe in God, but I’m more pro-life than all these borderline retarded Irish Catholic mick-bastards I see here in NY.

I was raised Irish Catholic, and these people are so pro-choice, it is unreal. They are so liberal.

You know what the problem is, and Laura Ingraham has discussed this many times, it is that the priests, bishops, and other clergy have stopped making an effort to promote pro-life lifestyles in the church.

When I was being forced to attend church as a young teen, I knew my pastor was pro-choice. It just doesn’t make any sense. I’m sure he didn’t like the wholesale slaughter of infants, but still. How can you be a..

“Man of God,” and be pro-choice?

blatantblue on February 6, 2009 at 9:20 AM

The left is cool with abortion for two reasons.

1. Its leadership – the college-educated, professional and boho types, don’t want their fabulous, important lives to be inconvenienced by unplanned pregnancies.

2. It keeps the ‘underclass’ at manageable numbers – just enough to help Democrats win elections, but not so many that they make the place look untidy.

Obama clearly falls into #1; many of the morons who voted for him fall into #2.

EnglishMike on February 6, 2009 at 9:22 AM

How can you be a..

“Man of God,” and be pro-choice?

Easy… you can’t!!!!!

TitleofLiberty on February 6, 2009 at 9:23 AM

when are you Christians going to start rioting in the streets over murders like this?

I’ll answer your question by asking you these:
What good will that do?
When will you start rioting?

jgapinoy on February 6, 2009 at 9:23 AM

My second thought, these women who are having this done, what does this do to them mentally, maybe not immediately, but later in life?

4shoes on February 6, 2009 at 8:58 AM

I have/had a friend who had more abortions then I care to mention.

At first she was fine, later,
100% TRAIN WRECK!
At one point, attempted suicide.

christene on February 6, 2009 at 9:24 AM

milwife88 on February 6, 2009 at 9:06 AM
and
Loxodonta on February 6, 2009 at 9:08 AM

Thanks!

chansen9 on February 6, 2009 at 9:27 AM

I was going to weigh in on this but it’s just too horrifying.

Gospel Moody on February 6, 2009 at 9:28 AM

That was my first thought as well. My second thought, these women who are having this done, what does this do to them mentally, maybe not immediately, but later in life?

4shoes on February 6, 2009 at 8:58 AM

I’ll tell you what it does to them, it haunts them. I am in regular contact with 3 high school friends, all of whom had abortions before they were 20 years old. Two of them are childless, though having decided in their 40’s that maybe they had time for one designer baby, discovered they are too old.

How do they cope? Why, just like Ashley Judd does. They cope with their regrets and their guilt by becoming rabidly pro-abortion and anti-Palin. Having missed out on their chance to raise a family the old-fashioned way, they bitterly cling to pro-choice and wacky environmental views as a way to deal with their disappointment in their lives and their choices.

CarolynM on February 6, 2009 at 9:30 AM

I don’t think he’s evil or a monster, just opportunistic and spineless. I’m sure that if he could’ve found political profit in voting for the protection of children born alive he would’ve done so.

The thing is, anyone who would sacrifice the lives of the most innocent and defenseless for political gain is, in my opinion, a monster.

patriette on February 6, 2009 at 9:30 AM

I’ve tried to explain to these snot-nosed, greasy, matted-haired, bra-less, tongue pierced, c*ck hopping liberal women that there is a difference between an adult enemy entity that is threatening your existence and quality of life, and an innocent life form inside of a mommy’s tummy.

They don’t get it. But then again, these pukes have probably been teased their whole lives for being freaks, so they enjoy picking on things smaller than they. F’ing freaks. F em all.

blatantblue on February 6, 2009 at 9:12 AM

Ditto.

For me, whatever people do is their own business until it infringes on the rights of others. And abortion seems an incredible infringement on a child’s right to life. The pro-choice movement, at bottom, has always seemed to me a battle for the right of women to be skanks. If pro-choicers want to discuss rape, incest, and health of the mother, fine; let there be those exceptions. Those are legitimate subjects for exceptions. But a choice in all other cases between the life of a child and an abortion is a insane. We always have to choose life.

In the end, the choice has always seemed to me to be the one a woman makes to engage in the conduct that she knows can result in pregnancy. Once she makes that choice, the only remaining choice is keeping the child or putting the child up for adoption. Sorry, but I simply don’t see how abortion as a backstop means of birth control reflects favorably on a society. We’ve all lost our humanity when we roll over on this issue. If the choice is between being an authoritarian prude and a ghoul without a soul, I’ll go with the former.

BuckeyeSam on February 6, 2009 at 9:31 AM

For the love of God, when are you Christians going to start rioting in the streets over murders like this? I am not a Christian, but I am on your side on 90% of issues and reading a story like this makes me want to punch people. So tired how nice and passive we conservatives are…

ClassicCon on February 6, 2009 at 9:17 AM

I’m there with you. This story infuriates me.

It’s ridiculous how both conservatives and Christians have become so lazy they won’t ever rouse themselves to protest…anything.

Whereas liberals will protest if someone has a bad hair day

Sugarbuzz on February 6, 2009 at 9:32 AM

Last night, my husband and I were talking about the many aspects of our new president that bother us… and by the end of that conversation, I had a stress migraine (that I’m still feeling this morning). I never thought another person could bother me so much – I don’t hate him, but I can never, ever respect Obama, especially after reading about this particular topic. I’m ashamed that our president supports infanticide and terror, and is working as hard as he can to destroy the average American’s way of life.

As to the story about Ms. Williams, I’ll just recap my headline comment. Abortion is bad. Not all of us have always felt that way – I didn’t turn against it until I gave birth to my daughter. Apparently, Ms. Williams had a similar revelation when her baby was born. We should feel saddened that she felt she needed an abortion, and we should hope that she has seen the truth and will now fight against abortion – and that she gets the counciling she will need after this mess.

Anna on February 6, 2009 at 9:33 AM

For the love of God, when are you Christians going to start rioting in the streets over murders like this? I am not a Christian, but I am on your side on 90% of issues and reading a story like this makes me want to punch people. So tired how nice and passive we conservatives are…ClassicCon on February 6, 2009 at 9:17 AM

Hear-hear! We may soon be smelling the Ofen Rauch.

sinsing on February 6, 2009 at 9:33 AM

If only America could abort liberalism. These articles make me want to vomit.

ErinF on February 6, 2009 at 9:36 AM

Makes me physically ill!

sabbott on February 6, 2009 at 9:40 AM

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