Open Thread: Porkulus bill going to votes today; Update: Voinovich out; Update: Collins wavering; Update: Can’t get to cloture?
posted at 1:40 pm on February 6, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
The stimulus bill has begun its way through a series of votes on amendments, the first step towards what will almost certainly be a final vote on the Generational Theft Act later this afternoon or evening. Supposedly a Gang of 15 have retired to an anteroom to try building an amendment that will slice $100 billion off the top, which would mean that the remainder would still have as much pork as the House version — since the Senate added about $100 billion to HR1.
We’ll toss this out as an open thread for AP and I to update with thoughts on the amendment votes, the almost-certainly-doomed cloture vote, and the inevitable approval of the worst and largest spending bill in history.
Among my favorite amendments attached: a $2B codicil to encourage low-income housing. Isn’t that how we got into this mess in the first place?
Update (AP): Byron York says three Republicans are on board, maybe more.
Update (Ed): Mild surprise to see the Coburn Amendment pass 73-24 to block spending on casinos, aquariums, and other frivolities. Didn’t the Democrats have a starving dolphin or two for backup?
Update II (Ed): The other Coburn bill, requiring competitive bids for all of the projects in the bill, passed 97-0. Who was going to go on record opposing that idea? Now John Kerry’s up on his feet, saying that he’s supported “many tax cuts” during his long and droning tenure in the Senate. I’d like to see a list.
Update III (Ed): Voinovich says he’s out:
Sen. George Voinovich (R-Ohio) has pulled out of negotiations on a bipartisan compromise on the Senate’s economic stimulus bill.
Three Republicans — Sens. Susan Collins (Maine), Olympia Snowe (Maine) and Arlen Specter (Pa.) — continue to negotiate with Democrats, but Voinovich’s departure could make it more difficult for Democrats to reach the 60 votes they need to pass the bill.
Voinovich left a meeting in Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s (D-Nev.) office around 2:30 p.m., saying he did not believe there was a deal he could agree to on an amendment that would cut as much as $100 billion from the more than $920 billion measure.
“I’ve really tried to work on this, but the three things that it should be timely, that it should be temporary and it should be targeted, that was something that I looked at,” Voinovich said. “It just doesn’t meet my criteria, and I feel very sorry because I think the Majority Leader has his responsibility, and he’s got his Members that he has to take care of.”
Update (AP): Suddenly Collins sounds iffy, too:
In the morning, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid , D-Nev., said he expected negotiations on a compromise to produce something that could be voted on by the end of the day.
“This is a critical day for our country and this Congress,” he said.
But by mid-afternoon, one of the leaders of the bipartisan group, Republican Susan Collins of Maine, emerged from a meeting with Reid and said she was just beginning to review an offer from the Democratic leader.
Asked how she felt, Collins said, “not as good as I felt earlier.”
Update (AP): Mark Hemingway also hears that Collins is wavering, leaving just Snowe and Specter.
Update (Ed): Duane Patterson of the Hugh Hewitt Show tells me that the Democrats have to get 60 votes by rule for cloture, not just 3/5ths of the quorum. Ted Kennedy is too ill to attend, which means Reid needs three Republican votes — and it looks like he might not get them.










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Qualifications based selection has always yielded better return on investment than competitive bidding.
Sounds good, but you get crappy work from the most desperate bidder. Not a great way to spend our tax dollars.
the senate are idiots.
TexasDan on February 6, 2009 at 4:38 PM
You make an excellent point there, Boudica. Anyone who has read up on narcissistic personality disorder will find a lot of examples in this guy’s behavior. Wow. Now I’m ever more worried.
califcon on February 6, 2009 at 4:38 PM
Good on Collins and Voinovich. Maybe Snowe will recover from another of her martini hangovers and get it right. Little hope that the
biggestsecond biggest asshole in the GOP – Spectre – will get out of his own way.Almost forgot about Hagel.
Jaibones on February 6, 2009 at 4:39 PM
I would like to know how many Dems are ready to disown this thing. Give me some hope here.
ElectricPhase on February 6, 2009 at 4:40 PM
I love Laura.
BobMbx on February 6, 2009 at 4:40 PM
The rats are scampering, clawing to get off this Titanic.
Now, the republicans need to come together and give us a five or ten point bill that will do some actual good, not just pay back the toe licking that went on to elect Obama.
HornetSting on February 6, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Any names of Dem Blue Dogs who are opposing this?
DrStock on February 6, 2009 at 4:41 PM
After watching the senate debate live on CSPAN I called both my senators. One line is constantly busy the other line has a message that says we’re busy call again later. It shows me neither one wants to hear my view on the bill. I did send email to both of them requesting they defeat this bill.
My guess is one will vote against and one for the bill.
Nancy Pelosi is miffed at the senate for cutting any of the pork out. Well all I can say is they is plenty of pork left to go around. Lindsey Graham apparently will support the bill if they add his amendment to it. So there is at least one sell out republican.
kanda on February 6, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Patrick S on February 6, 2009 at 4:34 PM
Markets are up on news of a suspension of mark to market rules, nothing to do with the porkfest. From the Corner
goat on February 6, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Many share your concerns and recognized this early on. He isn’t qualified in any respect for this job.
Cody1991 on February 6, 2009 at 4:44 PM
This is what i meant by the republicans not having any backbone..
If any of them even ONE supports this vile CRAP
the entire republican party needs to be thrown out of office
because they will have shown that they are the exact same as the democrats..
who got us into this mess in the first place..
So republicans go ahead
let yourselves be prostituted out for money
you wont be allowed back in ever..
This is what you get for violating even the most basic of your beliefs..
you dont have any spines do you..
even when the future of your country is at stake
all politicians need to be taken out
and either tarred and feathered or WORSE,,
jcila on February 6, 2009 at 4:45 PM
Any names of Dem Blue Dogs who are opposing this?
DrStock on February 6, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Kent Conrad and Ben Nelson don’t know about Byron Dorgan.
goat on February 6, 2009 at 4:46 PM
Here you go, a link to an alternative bill from a freshman congressman (Bill Minnick D-ID) who has “stripped everything that doesn’t create jobs” from the bill and ended up with a $174 billion alternative.
califcon on February 6, 2009 at 4:47 PM
here’s that link:
califcon on February 6, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Thanks, goat.
DrStock on February 6, 2009 at 4:47 PM
linky thing no worky.
http://www.klewtv.com/news/39170247.html
califcon on February 6, 2009 at 4:48 PM
“Open Leadership…Honest Government”.
My bad, it reads “Honest Leadership…Open Government” which strikes me as Orwellian.
Sheerq on February 6, 2009 at 4:48 PM
Kay Hagan (D-NC) is supposedly uncommitted. Her number: 202-224-6342
amerpundit on February 6, 2009 at 4:48 PM
I wish I could find a picture of that CBO estimate from ’04 to ’11.
Iraq war got us into this mess, my ass.
Ryan Gandy on February 6, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Wow.
capitalist piglet on February 6, 2009 at 4:50 PM
It appears that the Dems might not get to 60 votes. If this happens don’t tell me this wouldn’t have happened without Rush starting the ball rolling.
I’d love to be a fly on the wall to see The Messiah’s reaction to this news if it true.
technopeasant on February 6, 2009 at 4:51 PM
His bill still wants to hand out welfare checks -
Them’s Democrat code-speak.
Kelligan on February 6, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Kelligan on February 6, 2009 at 4:52 PM
So is “tax incentives for renewable energy.”
Ryan Gandy on February 6, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Oh boy, Lindsay ‘I finally found my stones, they were with Johnny Mac’ Graham is going to spout off on Fox, Cavuto.
I don’t give a damn if these two sharts finally found their ideals, I can’t stand to watch Graham or McCain anymore.
Bleh.
HornetSting on February 6, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Hannity is doing yeoman’s work today! Phone/fax lines for Specter, Snowe and Collins are on fire.
Gawd, what an unfortunate week for Rush to be away.
petefrt on February 6, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Wow! That is stunning. Kay Hagan is our freshman senator and never thought she would be uncommitted at this point.
DrStock on February 6, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Bring it to a vote Harry! Own it Obama! Regret it Pelosi!
Maura O on February 6, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Hilarious. I think you’re right. If this sack of crap hadn’t been examined by a lot of conservative commentators, the thing would have already been passed.
Ohhhhhhh they want that Fairness Doctrine.
ddrintn on February 6, 2009 at 4:56 PM
I don’t find that in the article. Is that in the video? Can’t watch it here.
Kelligan on February 6, 2009 at 4:56 PM
I called both my RINO senators (Saxby and Isakson) earlier today. I faxed McConnell and faxed my US Rep (Gingrey R-GA) telling him thanks for saying NYET to this piece of shit.
Took me all of 10 minutes to do all that. Everyone can spare 10 minutes too. If you can’t, then you have no business complaining when you tax rate hits 70% to pay for this garbage.
angryed on February 6, 2009 at 4:57 PM
It was on C-SPAN2 earlier.
Ryan Gandy on February 6, 2009 at 4:57 PM
Brat on February 6, 2009 at 4:58 PM
FFFFFFFFFF YYYYYYYOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUU! Graham.
McCain’s mini me…I’ve reached across the aisle.
SC, you gotta call his stupid ass home!
HornetSting on February 6, 2009 at 4:58 PM
Ah, haven’t had cable for 7 years or so.
Kelligan on February 6, 2009 at 4:58 PM
To say the least. Very much in line with the Obama campaign from the first. Too bad the kids haven’t been encouraged to read for the last 20 years or so.
sloopy on February 6, 2009 at 5:00 PM
Sometimes he got to take a week off from the rule of the Rushpublic.
the_nile on February 6, 2009 at 5:01 PM
OPI, some interesting data on job creation costs that just came my way:
Jobs created per $billion invested in energy production: Coal v. Gas v. Solar v. Wind (Direct, indirect, induced)
Supercritical pulverized coal w/o carbon capture: 806 Operating Jobs (Source: DOE Cost and Performance Baseline for Fossil Fuel Plants (May 2007))
Supercritical pulverized coal w/ carbon capture: 947 Jobs (Source: IBID)
Natural gas combined cycle w/o carbon capture: 387 Jobs (Source: IBID)
Natural gas combined cycle w/carbon capture: 321 Jobs
Solar: 210 Jobs (Source JEDI 3)
Wind: 102 Jobs (Source: JEDI 3) [ = $9,803,922/job ]
Source: Employment from Power Generation Investment (Dec 2008 Energy Ventures Analysis Inc), Cost and Performance Baseline for Fossil Fuel Plants (May 2007, DOE/NETL-2007/1281) and the JEDI Model (DOE-NETL Website).
………………………
So… Wind creates even less jobs than it does electricity
To say that wind subsidies create jobs is a stretch, at best. As suggested by the data above, when wind replaces other sources of electricity, jobs are lost on balance, not gained.
Even so, when wind subsidies are used as an ‘economic stimulus’, taxpayers should understand that the cost to them will be about $9.8 Million for every job created. As between coal, gas, solar and wind power, wind is by far the most capital-intensive and labor- extensive of them all.
petefrt on February 6, 2009 at 5:02 PM
Agree quickly and get to other stuff?
Looks to me like Johnny wants this to pass.
Ryan Gandy on February 6, 2009 at 5:03 PM
Not unfortunate at all for Rush to be away. He already started the ball rolling 2 and 1/2 weeks ago. If this bill goes down in flames he deserves at least half the credit.
technopeasant on February 6, 2009 at 5:03 PM
See what having a RINO elitist lifetime achiever in mediocrity like Specter win in the primaries does to us? 3!!! 3 RINO Republicans can take us down the hell hole? That’s why voting for moderate Republicans is a crap shoot not worth taking EVER! There’s your real minority players. 3 lone Democratic wolves in Republican sheep clothe. What a waste of effort.
BTW ~ I contacted Feinstein about the Water Park in CA. Her office was a little taken aback that I called and complained. That’s a GOOD thing.
Sultry Beauty on February 6, 2009 at 5:04 PM
I’m optimistically predicting it fails, at least in present monstrous form. If they can’t vote today for lack of three RINOs, the weekend brings more details of the crap inside, as well as new polling showing an even larger share of Americans don’t want this POS.
Vashta.Nerada on February 6, 2009 at 5:04 PM
Tried the number can’t get through. I figure she will support the bill.
kanda on February 6, 2009 at 5:06 PM
Did AP finally ban Noneya? Good job, but about 6 months too late. At least we don’t have to listen to her blatherings anymore.
Speedwagon82 on February 6, 2009 at 5:06 PM
Aw shucks. *blushes*
Laura in Maryland on February 6, 2009 at 5:06 PM
She got the boot yesterday afternoon. Good riddance, crackhead. She was hijacking EVERYTHING!
HornetSting on February 6, 2009 at 5:08 PM
I’d be willing to give him credit if he does that, of course, assuming he bails on the stimulus bill, which will over time negate the positives of removing MTM.
Vashta.Nerada on February 6, 2009 at 5:08 PM
Isn’t it the truth. I’ve been faxing Specter so often lately that his office keeps a separate trash can there for me.
petefrt on February 6, 2009 at 5:09 PM
CNN is trying everything in their power to get the package passed. All Libs, including Axelrod. Not one Republican.
technopeasant on February 6, 2009 at 5:09 PM
Collins voice mailbox is full!
Done That on February 6, 2009 at 5:10 PM
Ha Ha how did these “RINO” senators get elected? You need to get with your RNC and State Republicans and have them put in real republicans. If you let this continue in your name you ARE the problem. It’s simple really. Call them and mail them about your dissatisfaction with those they nominate. Don’t stop until the problem is corrected.
kanda on February 6, 2009 at 5:11 PM
From The Corner:
INC on February 6, 2009 at 5:11 PM
I e-mailed Snowe, Collins, Voinovich and Spector telling them that while I am from California and could not vote in their states, I promise to contribute to their opponents in the the next election if they voted with the Democrats on this bloated bill. Maybe it would help if they know there will be a payback for their actions.
Uniblogger on February 6, 2009 at 5:14 PM
All lines to these RINO’s [provided to us by Michelle] are swamped. I’m going to keep calling though.
Anyone got a link to RINO_PAC? I feel like making a donation. :oP
DannoJyd on February 6, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Who would have thought there is an upside to brain cancer and idiotic Minn. elections officials!
If true, also a minor miracle that the usual RINO suspects aren’t already lined up to vote with the Democrats.
highhopes on February 6, 2009 at 5:15 PM
pork fight.. pork fight.. personal attacks on display now with the senate debate
this RI senator loser is defending his zoo earmark now.. pathetic losers we have in the senate.. these guys wouldn’t last 2 weeks in corporate america, and now they’re RUNNING corporate america..
gatorboy on February 6, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Since so much of the spending in these bills is pork with zero impact on the economy in the short-term, I think the solution is a line-by-line vote on each and every provision put forth in the bill. Let these criminals defend their pork and make each and every co-conspirator go on the record as for or against the measure.
highhopes on February 6, 2009 at 5:18 PM
I’m getting confused by everyone calling anyone else who doesn’t agree with then a RINO. How do we know you are not the RINO? Certainly not every Republican is a RINO. Who are they? Tell us which ones are RINO’s. It does not help to paint everyone as a RINO. It makes me think you don’t really know who they are.
kanda on February 6, 2009 at 5:18 PM
Try their local numbers.
HornetSting on February 6, 2009 at 5:19 PM
My god…didn’t you hear him? Kids go to the zoo. What about the children?
kanda on February 6, 2009 at 5:20 PM
RINO=Republican In Name Only.
Their easy to spot, they reach across the aisle and spit in the eyes of the conservatives of their own party and their constiuents.
HornetSting on February 6, 2009 at 5:20 PM
You can’t be serious. The RINOs are well known. Among the luminaries
John McCain
Susan Collins
Olympia Snowe
Arlen Specter
Lindsay Graham (about 90% of the time)
Chuck Grasley (unless it involves fiscal responsiblity)
George Voinovich
Mel Martinez (if he’s still around)
highhopes on February 6, 2009 at 5:22 PM
Can you repost those addresses? My fingers are warmed up and ready to go.
Youngs98 on February 6, 2009 at 5:22 PM
Yeah – and the trees that reduce carbon emmissions… Why not spend a few hundred billion on replanting the western deserts to absorb all the carbon from CA cars.. makes sense to me
gatorboy on February 6, 2009 at 5:23 PM
John McCain doesn’t have to reach across the aisle. He was there so often they gave him a seat!
highhopes on February 6, 2009 at 5:23 PM
Thanks High.
HornetSting on February 6, 2009 at 5:23 PM
Who was he talking about, this insensitive and mean-to-kids senator who’s never been to RI?
Sheesh…
sloopy on February 6, 2009 at 5:23 PM
Children watch the zoo on C-SPAN.
Loxodonta on February 6, 2009 at 5:23 PM
not going to happen. To do this would require the ‘good ol’ boy class’ in the senate to cancel their vacation plans
gatorboy on February 6, 2009 at 5:24 PM
sen reid calling on a dem caucus to whip everyone into shape for the next 45 min. what an @ss
gatorboy on February 6, 2009 at 5:25 PM
How exactly did you do that? My corrupt Senators in Michigan refuse any e-mails that don’t have a Michigan address. I think it cowardly of them but are you saying it isn’t the norm?
highhopes on February 6, 2009 at 5:26 PM
Geez–this is the game opener, several of their starters didn’t show, and we’re only hanging on by our fingernails. We’ve got at least two years of this to survive
I have a headache
ElectricPhase on February 6, 2009 at 5:27 PM
It’s also stupid. Not one rat will desert the filthy bastard on this vote. Reid already has all the votes he is going to get from that crowd- unless there is some sense that some of the more moderate rats are under huge pressure to vote no.
highhopes on February 6, 2009 at 5:27 PM
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
Look for the Senator you wish to contact and you can send an email (or message) directly through the site.
Sheerq on February 6, 2009 at 5:28 PM
We are ready for a good fight. Grab your torch and pitchfork and join the revolution. It starts with a phone call or a fax.
For the headache…do a shot and get going!
HornetSting on February 6, 2009 at 5:28 PM
I e-mailed Snowe, Collins, Voinovich and Spector telling them that while I am from California and could not vote in their states, I promise to contribute to their opponents in the the next election if they voted with the Democrats on this bloated bill. Maybe it would help if they know there will be a payback for their actions.
Uniblogger on February 6, 2009 at 5:14 PM
Can you repost those addresses? My fingers are warmed up and ready to go.
Youngs98 on February 6, 2009 at 5:22 PM
The following web site will connect you to their individual web sites and allow you to e-mail them:
http://senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
PS: This did not work with Spector…I couldn’t get his e-mail to open.
Uniblogger on February 6, 2009 at 5:30 PM
Seriously? Reid thinks he’ll have enough votes by 6:30 ET today??
sloopy on February 6, 2009 at 5:30 PM
Could someone help me with a process question here -
If the Republicans don’t filibuster, do the Dems still need 60 votes for cloture?
I thought the 60 was only necessary to override a filibuster.
JadeNYU on February 6, 2009 at 5:30 PM
I think the day is approaching, thanks to Osama Obama, when you will regret all of your constant whimperings about McCain. In the meantime, I’m getting heartily sick of those who have to yelp incessantly about McCain’s supposed evils, when it is all too clear where the danger truly lies.
McCain is, at a minimum, a patriot, a man who served his country and whose beliefs, even if they don’t satisfy you, are genuine.
You and your ilk helped get us the unqualified, incompetent Manchild, who has never served this nation in any way, who will do more damage in a month than McCain could have managed in two terms.
I don’t expect you to figure that out, because you are so consumed by the need to keep blasting away. But you will be sorry.
MrScribbler on February 6, 2009 at 5:32 PM
Sigh – the name calling continues, sadly it is now coming from those who call themselves “adult”. Here’s the deal – if conservative policies were all so great for the market, then why is Wall Street in this bad a shape right now? I know conservatives do not like to talk about Enron – but please, this collapse is an Enron-esque deja-vu’. Any healthy market needs to be controlled, and anybody who believes otherwise is deluding themselves.
peter_griffin on February 6, 2009 at 5:34 PM
Here’s the info on Specter and his whole staff:
DC PHONE: (202) 224-4254
DC FAX: (202) 228-1229
HARRISBURG PHONE: (717) 782-3951
HARRISBURG FAX: (717) 782-4920
EMAILS TO CONTACT:
Scott_Hoeflich@specter.senate.gov
Maria_Plakoudas@specter.senate.gov
Christopher_Bradish@specter.senate.gov
thomas_dower@specter.senate.gov
seema_singh@specter.senate.gov
corene_ashley@specter.senate.gov
regina_campbell@specter.senate.gov
gayle_mills@specter.senate.gov
LoneStarGal on February 6, 2009 at 5:34 PM
Stay classy, MrScribbler. This kind of diatribe is what we accuse DailyKos of promoting, it’s not considered healthy here at HA. At least, that’s what I would hope.
peter_griffin on February 6, 2009 at 5:36 PM
Modern Senate rules provide that debate on a measure cannot end until there is a cloture vote, and 60 votes are required to end debate and proceed to a vote on the actual bill. There isn’t an actual filibuster anymore, with Senators staying up straight etc. The Senate can continue to do business on other legislation while debate remains open on another bill.
rockmom on February 6, 2009 at 5:37 PM
60 votes is what is required to prevent a fillibuster by ending debate (invoking clouture). Until that point, the Senate is still talking about a bill. Reid and the rats want very little discussion on the steaming pile of legislation they are trying to ram through without GOP support or input.
highhopes on February 6, 2009 at 5:38 PM
THANKS! (Could use more of that here at HA, I think.)
petefrt on February 6, 2009 at 5:39 PM
I did vote for the old hag, only after he gave us Sarah. And YES, keep beating his service record…there are a lot of men and women who have served their country and don’t get the same praise as McCain, even other pows.
‘My ilk’ still believe in free speech, so let me give you some of my mouthiness:
If you don’t like what I have to say here, move on. We cuss and discuss here at HA.
HornetSting on February 6, 2009 at 5:40 PM
Uh yeah that’s it. Im to blame because the people I NEVER VOTED FOR got elected. Nice logic.
angryed on February 6, 2009 at 5:40 PM
Enron? Give me a break. The straw that broke the economy was Barney Frank and Chris Dodd and their demands that GSE’s Fannie and Freddie make home ownership a possiblity for people that had absolutely no business owning a home (mortgage). In fact the whole reason we are in this position is too much government control, not enough.
highhopes on February 6, 2009 at 5:42 PM
The dems may let the gop own all the horrible news for a while for political points.
Reid calling for more tax cuts to be reduced slowed it down.
getalife on February 6, 2009 at 5:42 PM
I corrected your observation. After 45 minutes it better be.
kanda on February 6, 2009 at 5:43 PM
You aren’t really that ignorant, are you? Here’s a link, get some economic education. Read all five articles, then get back to us.
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/series11.aspx
Vashta.Nerada on February 6, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Fax numbers, regional offices:
Lugar – 610-434-1844
Snowe- 207-941-9525
Martinez – 239-332-3447
DC office main and fax numbers seem to be busy (all day), so try faxing regional offices.
LoneStarGal on February 6, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Or CNN said they reached a tentative deal and cut it to 780 billion.
getalife on February 6, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Dana Bash of CNN reporting that Susan Collins and Democrats have agreed to a $780B stimulus bill. I hope this is not accurate.
technopeasant on February 6, 2009 at 5:45 PM
This just isn’t relegated to RINOs. Dingy Harry doesn’t even have all of HIS party on board for this.
Bill Nelson doesn’t want it as it is. And even liberal Di-Fi (Dianne Feinstein) has come out and said that she won’t vote for it if she doesn’t like it.
Enoxo on February 6, 2009 at 5:45 PM
kanda on February 6, 2009 at 5:18 PM
You make a good point, but as to how to tell if I am a RINO just remember that I didn’t support Juan McAmnesty. Never did, never will.
HornetSting on February 6, 2009 at 5:19 PM
I live in Michigan. I should be so lucky as to have a chapter of [anti] RINO-PAC here. I’m just glad that we have a GOP chapter that I always assist during the elections.
Maybe our SOCIALIST governor will make that illegal too though when she becomes our next Supreme Court Justice.
DannoJyd on February 6, 2009 at 5:45 PM
Thanks for the email addresses, LoneStarGal. I emailed to all. I hope it’s not too late.
misslizzi on February 6, 2009 at 5:46 PM
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