Open Thread: Porkulus bill going to votes today; Update: Voinovich out; Update: Collins wavering; Update: Can’t get to cloture?
posted at 1:40 pm on February 6, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
The stimulus bill has begun its way through a series of votes on amendments, the first step towards what will almost certainly be a final vote on the Generational Theft Act later this afternoon or evening. Supposedly a Gang of 15 have retired to an anteroom to try building an amendment that will slice $100 billion off the top, which would mean that the remainder would still have as much pork as the House version — since the Senate added about $100 billion to HR1.
We’ll toss this out as an open thread for AP and I to update with thoughts on the amendment votes, the almost-certainly-doomed cloture vote, and the inevitable approval of the worst and largest spending bill in history.
Among my favorite amendments attached: a $2B codicil to encourage low-income housing. Isn’t that how we got into this mess in the first place?
Update (AP): Byron York says three Republicans are on board, maybe more.
Update (Ed): Mild surprise to see the Coburn Amendment pass 73-24 to block spending on casinos, aquariums, and other frivolities. Didn’t the Democrats have a starving dolphin or two for backup?
Update II (Ed): The other Coburn bill, requiring competitive bids for all of the projects in the bill, passed 97-0. Who was going to go on record opposing that idea? Now John Kerry’s up on his feet, saying that he’s supported “many tax cuts” during his long and droning tenure in the Senate. I’d like to see a list.
Update III (Ed): Voinovich says he’s out:
Sen. George Voinovich (R-Ohio) has pulled out of negotiations on a bipartisan compromise on the Senate’s economic stimulus bill.
Three Republicans — Sens. Susan Collins (Maine), Olympia Snowe (Maine) and Arlen Specter (Pa.) — continue to negotiate with Democrats, but Voinovich’s departure could make it more difficult for Democrats to reach the 60 votes they need to pass the bill.
Voinovich left a meeting in Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s (D-Nev.) office around 2:30 p.m., saying he did not believe there was a deal he could agree to on an amendment that would cut as much as $100 billion from the more than $920 billion measure.
“I’ve really tried to work on this, but the three things that it should be timely, that it should be temporary and it should be targeted, that was something that I looked at,” Voinovich said. “It just doesn’t meet my criteria, and I feel very sorry because I think the Majority Leader has his responsibility, and he’s got his Members that he has to take care of.”
Update (AP): Suddenly Collins sounds iffy, too:
In the morning, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid , D-Nev., said he expected negotiations on a compromise to produce something that could be voted on by the end of the day.
“This is a critical day for our country and this Congress,” he said.
But by mid-afternoon, one of the leaders of the bipartisan group, Republican Susan Collins of Maine, emerged from a meeting with Reid and said she was just beginning to review an offer from the Democratic leader.
Asked how she felt, Collins said, “not as good as I felt earlier.”
Update (AP): Mark Hemingway also hears that Collins is wavering, leaving just Snowe and Specter.
Update (Ed): Duane Patterson of the Hugh Hewitt Show tells me that the Democrats have to get 60 votes by rule for cloture, not just 3/5ths of the quorum. Ted Kennedy is too ill to attend, which means Reid needs three Republican votes — and it looks like he might not get them.










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GULP!
artist on February 6, 2009 at 1:43 PM
It passed?! I thought only 27 of them voted for it.
Ryan Gandy on February 6, 2009 at 1:43 PM
We’re on the socialist hi-way to hell.
Maxx on February 6, 2009 at 1:44 PM
Please – o – please let it be made clear that Dems OWN this turkey and Obam’s name is all over it.
Two yrs from now they’ll WIN all the blame….
Maura O on February 6, 2009 at 1:44 PM
I hope that the Republicans repudiate this piece of crap. When the public sees what’s in that bill, and notice 6 months from now that the economy is still in the tank, the Republicans can point to the Democrats and say “They won”.
GarandFan on February 6, 2009 at 1:44 PM
The Fierce Urgency of Pork
A failure to act, and act now, will turn crisis into a catastrophe.
- President Obama, Feb. 4
Catastrophe, mind you. So much for the president who in his inaugural address two weeks earlier declared “we have chosen hope over fear.” Until, that is, you need fear to pass a bill.
And so much for the promise to banish the money changers and influence peddlers from the temple. An ostentatious executive order banning lobbyists was immediately followed by the nomination of at least a dozen current or former lobbyists to high position. Followed by a Treasury secretary who allegedly couldn’t understand the payroll tax provisions in his 1040. Followed by Tom Daschle, who had to fall on his sword according to the new Washington rule that no Cabinet can have more than one tax delinquent.
The Daschle affair was more serious because his offense involved more than taxes. As Michael Kinsley once observed, in Washington the real scandal isn’t what’s illegal, but what’s legal. Not paying taxes is one thing. But what made this case intolerable was the perfectly legal dealings that amassed Daschle $5.2 million in just two years.
MB4 on February 6, 2009 at 1:45 PM
If this passes, I will refuse to give gubmint any more money. This is a disgusting, unconstitutional rape.
LimeyGeek on February 6, 2009 at 1:46 PM
I love how these guys try to get together to trim some fat and ended up adding 100 billion to the bill instead.
BadgerHawk on February 6, 2009 at 1:46 PM
If 3 republicans vote, it’ll be “bi-partisan” and the republicans will own this as well.
Good job.
lorien1973 on February 6, 2009 at 1:47 PM
So who are the Repbulicans lined up to vote for the bill?
beatcanvas on February 6, 2009 at 1:47 PM
Hey-maybe this is how I get a new house! Don’t screw up my chances folks!
My roof is leaking & my plumbing’s gone top hell!
Baby needs a new cabin!
Badger40 on February 6, 2009 at 1:47 PM
NRO Corner.
Santorum, who is expected to run for the open governor’s seat, would back Toomey. Santorum backed Specter against Toomey the last time, but Specter didn’t do squat to help Santorum in 2006. And Bush will not be around to push for Specter, either.
But the damage will have been done.
Wethal on February 6, 2009 at 1:48 PM
Am I the only one who saw the podium display??
“Honest Leadership, Open Government”
I kid you NOT.
Bwaahahahahahaahahahhaha. Whew.
Califemme on February 6, 2009 at 1:48 PM
Headline: Astroglide stocks rise through the roof!
Badger40 on February 6, 2009 at 1:48 PM
I heard President Obama whining on TV last night about the importance of this bill. It’s all his. If only one or two Repubics go along, that’s okay. This is all in the laps of the democrats and libtards now.
Mallard T. Drake on February 6, 2009 at 1:48 PM
940-885 = 55B
Nowhere near what you thought but its still disgusting. I thought I saw that wrong, too.
Ryan Gandy on February 6, 2009 at 1:48 PM
Who are the three Republican Senators poised to vote for this bill?
They do so at their own political peril.
smartsy on February 6, 2009 at 1:49 PM
To Mr. Steele and the RNC: First order of business, publicly target for replacement every R who votes for this disaster if the RNC wants even one thin dime of my support. If we can’t run qualified replacements for these turncoats we may as well become D’s.
BadDogMN on February 6, 2009 at 1:49 PM
BadDogMN on February 6, 2009 at 1:49 PM
Amen!
Ryan Gandy on February 6, 2009 at 1:49 PM
Interest rates are already starting to rise as govt bond sales have already started increasing. The Fed just announced that they are switching from quarterly sales to monthly to handle the increased volume.
And this is without the new porkulus bill.
We are, my friends, doomed.
MarkTheGreat on February 6, 2009 at 1:50 PM
It’s over man. Wormer dropped the big one.
Start hoarding canned goods folks. Things will be hopey changey for about 6 months and then the floor falls through. We are so F’ed, it boggles the mind.
Sugar Land on February 6, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Every time I hear Obama talk about Porkulus now, songs from the Music Man start playing in the back of my head.
Illinidiva on February 6, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Yeah. What planet do you live on?
If 3 republicans vote, the story will be “it passed with bi-partisan approval, both republicans and democrats yada yada yada”
So they’ll own it too.
lorien1973 on February 6, 2009 at 1:51 PM
I agree. I would prefer Dems in those spots at this point; it would be more honest.
Mutnodjmet on February 6, 2009 at 1:51 PM
I think the 3 (or 4) Republican hams are Susan Collins (Maine), Olympia Snowe (Maine), George Voinovich (Ohio), and Arlen Specter (Pa.).
Brat on February 6, 2009 at 1:52 PM
“It’s starting to look a lot like China”
to the tune of “It’s starting to look a lot like Christmas”
lorien1973 on February 6, 2009 at 1:52 PM
He’s whining about obstruction not because he can’t get it passed – he only need two Repubs to vote against filibuster – but because he wants to sign it on President’s Day. He wants to do it in pomp and circumstance on a day recognizing president birthdays.
To him, it’s all about ceremony and significance of the timing, not the bill itself.
PastorJon on February 6, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Buckle on your rapiers and batten down the hatches, mates! Hide the woman and the booze!
Cheshire Cat on February 6, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Where do I buy some gold bars to store in basement?
WashJeff on February 6, 2009 at 1:53 PM
But….but…..but obomba says a comet is heading toward the Earth and we have to vote to stop it NOW. NOW I tell you….NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
oakpack on February 6, 2009 at 1:53 PM
Uh …. uh ….. uh ….. uh ….. uh …… Gibbs is holding another ……. uh ……… uh ……. uh ….. press conference.
Somebody shoot my ears off.
fogw on February 6, 2009 at 1:53 PM
Right on BadDogMN!
We need to start making calls to Mr. Steele’s office to voice opposition to any Republican Senator that votes for this bill as it stands today.
smartsy on February 6, 2009 at 1:53 PM
Posssibly four – Specter, Snowe, Collins and Voinovich.
Collins just got re-elected, so she’s safe for the next 6 years. Snowe was re-elected in 2006, I think.
Voinovich is retiring in 2010. Arlen? Maybe he thinks PA is in such dire straits that the bailout will save the economy, and he’ll be a hero.
Wethal on February 6, 2009 at 1:53 PM
Behold, Porkus Maximus
faraway on February 6, 2009 at 1:55 PM
Send a tax-strike message to the government: *Everybody* file a tax extension this year.
ZenDraken on February 6, 2009 at 1:56 PM
If (and a big “if”) this is true, then that better be one heck of a deal.
Either way, no one really expected every House Republican to vote against the porkfest bill. So I’m still holding out hope.
JetBoy on February 6, 2009 at 1:56 PM
What kind of a deal and with who?
oakpack on February 6, 2009 at 1:56 PM
What happened to filibusters?
faraway on February 6, 2009 at 1:57 PM
Right. because giving democrats complete and total power, is better than a moderate republican who will vote for us sometimes. Look at what the RINOs in the House did with there version of this bill; even they can be persuaded sometimes to do the right thing.
This all or nothing attitude only marginalizes us more. Republicans can’t afford a purge like this until they’re in the majority. Keep ceding seats and we’ll never have a say.
Yes, note their names. Call and harass them, try to replace them with when we CAN win. But acknowledge that maybe in places like Maine or New Hampshire, it’s a Collins or a Snowe or a democrat. And, personally, I’d rather a RINO.
Trent1289 on February 6, 2009 at 1:57 PM
soshalizm, we has it
kirkill on February 6, 2009 at 1:57 PM
The market is up big. There could be a short-term bang from this, but I believe it will peter-out quickly. Maybe it wouldn’t even be so bad if we actually had the money to pay for it. But printing/borrowing debases the currency.
Buy gold as a hedge.
JiangxiDad on February 6, 2009 at 1:57 PM
There is a crapload of money in the bill for Pennsylvania. And not much of it is real pork. Very hard to expect Specter to vote against it with an election around the corner. Republicans will lose this seat if the kamikazes run Pat Toomey again. He hasn’t spent any time in PA in years, and they will kill him for it just like they did Santorum.
rockmom on February 6, 2009 at 1:58 PM
Dude if you’re hoping to unseat Specter with someone that Santorum is backing….yeah. That guy got killed against Casey. Also? Obama won PA by 10 points, Arlen Specter (along with Collins, Voinovich and Snowe) is no fool. Of course they are gonna go with their constituents. Especially since, popularity among independents for the stimulus seems to have rebounded according to gallup.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 6, 2009 at 1:59 PM
Tax extension – sounds real good to me.
Alana on February 6, 2009 at 1:59 PM
Do we know who the three traitors are?
All who have republican senators need to burn up the phone lines.
Your voice makes a difference.
HornetSting on February 6, 2009 at 1:59 PM
Er . . . unless I’m due a refund, in which case I’d better get it while the gettin’s good.
Alana on February 6, 2009 at 2:00 PM
The problem is the “deal” will get dumped in the conference committee. The House will put back in all the pork. Harry will go along.
So the three (or four) fools really got nothing for their votes. The cuts they wanted will be restored.
Wethal on February 6, 2009 at 2:00 PM
Indeed.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 6, 2009 at 2:00 PM
Fox News Reporting …. Obama’s going to travel to Indiana for a town hall meeting.
WTF?
I distinctly heard him say “I won”, so what’s with the campaign stop?
fogw on February 6, 2009 at 2:00 PM
Wethal on February 6, 2009 at 1:53 PM
Never liked Snowe anyway. Or Specter, since he became a supporter of stem cell research.
The two of them would be the first on my list to go.
Ryan Gandy on February 6, 2009 at 2:00 PM
Sad day, but expected. 3 or 4 RINO’s still means that the Messiah and his henchmen OWN this Socilist POS. Now it’s simple, we hang it around thier necks, make them wear it and go to the American people over and over and over and over and over and over again as it fails to create even 1 job, as the unemployment hits 10-11-12% and we point out that WE TOLD YOU SO and that Rush and Conservatives had the right track and answer… HOLD THESE IDIOTS ACCOUNTABLE!
Mark Garnett on February 6, 2009 at 2:00 PM
When are we going to see that tax increase on the top 5%, maybe the top ten really, gotta solve the defecit somewhere.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 6, 2009 at 2:00 PM
No can do, if you owe taxes, they are still due on April 15th, regardless if you’ve filed an extension.
I plan on sending my taxes with DASCHLE/RANGEL RULE written in BIG RED LETTERS.
Califemme on February 6, 2009 at 2:01 PM
Not sure if you’re kidding, but check out local coin places first. The ones near me sell bullion for somewhat less of a premium than you can buy online . Plus, there is an immediate transaction–you pay, you get the gold.
I use kitco.com for cost comparisons, but have never bought from them.
JiangxiDad on February 6, 2009 at 2:01 PM
Heaven forbid a President speak directly with the American people.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 6, 2009 at 2:01 PM
He misses the love that he received on the trail, it’s back to bashing Bush and blaming everyone else.
HornetSting on February 6, 2009 at 2:02 PM
LOL… yeah… good idea…
You do know that most people get money BACK from the government?
So, your idea is to let them keep our money LONGER?
/shakes head sadly
Romeo13 on February 6, 2009 at 2:02 PM
Rick Santorum….besides his horrific loss, looks like he stepped out of an episode of Arrested Development or The Office.
Trent1289 on February 6, 2009 at 2:02 PM
You don’t think they can move.
the_nile on February 6, 2009 at 2:02 PM
Wethal on February 6, 2009 at 2:02 PM
I’m doing one better than that. I lost my job last August. I am not even thinking about full time work right now. I am freelancing and consulting, and earning just enough to pay my bills and keep getting unemployment compensation. I’m not going to pay a dime of taxes on that income until next year, and then I’m going to file extension after extension.
rockmom on February 6, 2009 at 2:02 PM
I would vote for cloture if Obama read the following statement:
Read this in front of a camera, and you can have your cloture.
WashJeff on February 6, 2009 at 2:02 PM
Buckle in for the spin after the vote. It’s going to be ugly and irrational. And when we see Obama smirk, just remember this little spending spree is all his. He bought it, he owns it. He will live and also die by it.
sherry on February 6, 2009 at 2:03 PM
I guess it is no longer We the People. :( What a sad day when the government won’t even listen to the people. :(
Brat4life on February 6, 2009 at 2:03 PM
The shadow of economic fascism overtakes the land. This is just the beginning; the State takeover of the private sector has begun. As America gradually moves from fascism, to socialism.
Congratulations, Congress and the White House, you’ve finally done what you’ve wanted to do … destroy America while you rule.
OhEssYouCowboys on February 6, 2009 at 2:03 PM
Kennedy is not there so Reid needs to peel off three from the GOP to get to cloture and end debate, while we may be able to peel of a couple red state dems.
goat on February 6, 2009 at 2:03 PM
News flash Hack, someone just invented the television. Someone should bring Obarfy up to speed on this latest craze in technology.
fogw on February 6, 2009 at 2:04 PM
any republican that votes for this piece of crap, should start looking for a job. who ever it is the republicans from that state, must and have to vote them out. no questions asked. end their political careers.
kara26 on February 6, 2009 at 2:04 PM
No big surprise. We knew 3 or 4 Republicans would go along with it. I’m just glad RINOs like Graham and McCain have seen the light(on this issue anyway).
It was always going to pass, so let Obama and the Dems own it. When this fails to reignite the economy and we end up with a $2 trillion deficit this year, the GOP can make big gains in Congress in the midterms.
Doughboy on February 6, 2009 at 2:05 PM
And still Ogabe ignores Kentucky and Arkansas.
I guess there are too many bitter clingers there.
I hope he suffers a rash from one of his precious seaweed wraps at that effeminate spa he will patronize on our dime this weekend.
PimFortuynsGhost on February 6, 2009 at 2:05 PM
I want names, phone numbers, emails, addresses and GPS coordinates for the 3-4 jackasses who are selling out to this POS. Stat.
If phone calls and emails don’t work, I can forward the remaining info to the terrorist that we’re about to free from Gitmo.
Damiano on February 6, 2009 at 2:05 PM
I think we should roll it up, and let Phelps smoke it.
MDWNJ on February 6, 2009 at 2:05 PM
I suspect Durbin and Harry have been “reasoning” in a back room with any wavering Dems on this.
Wethal on February 6, 2009 at 2:05 PM
Yeah, that’ll solve it. Take more money from the people who know how to increase the velocity of money and stick it instead into the grind of government handouts.
Pure genius, Wile E.
beatcanvas on February 6, 2009 at 2:06 PM
Hunt the traitors down and get Steele to rip ‘em apart.
LimeyGeek on February 6, 2009 at 2:06 PM
Obama is a bad, bad guy. Just under the smiling surface and Disney Character Ears, lurks a menace to America.
marklmail on February 6, 2009 at 2:06 PM
Why ?
They vote with the far left radicals more then the Repubs, so why is still my question ?
Watered down Conservatisam does not work, what more proof do you need ? We have tried the big tent approach, the lib-lite, the moderate route… HUGE LOSES was the result, so go sit down and let real Americans run the party and regain Reagan Conservatisam… Remember, his policies DID WIN A LANDSLIDE and even Maine and NH.
Mark Garnett on February 6, 2009 at 2:06 PM
From the Corner:
INC on February 6, 2009 at 2:06 PM
This is bad in so many ways (about 900 billion), but here is something to put icing on the cake, there will be no control by anyone on preventing waste. How encouraging is that?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=100304449
txmomof6 on February 6, 2009 at 2:06 PM
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Here Waffles goes blaming Bush!
Ryan Gandy on February 6, 2009 at 2:07 PM
Oh good gravy….*anything* this Congress signs will be called an inexorably move towards socialism because its run by Democrats. At least some of you care about these bills on the merits.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 6, 2009 at 2:07 PM
Update (AP): Byron York says three Republicans are on board, maybe more.
I have two quick questions. 1-What will be Mr. Steele’s response to this be? 2-How many pieces of silver did these RINOS receive? Lord in heaven please have mercy on US.
USMCDevilDog on February 6, 2009 at 2:07 PM
The only way we are going to flush these rabid republicans out is to support throwing them out–even to the point of supporting their democratic challengers. Until the last weak-kneed Rohypnol-popper is gone, we will continue to have these idiots tarring the rest of their party with what will most certainly be seen as a “bi-partisan” debacle.
When that happens, game goes to the Democrats. Every time.
-T
The Therapist on February 6, 2009 at 2:07 PM
So does Harry Reid have all of his Democrats in line on the plank?
smartsy on February 6, 2009 at 2:08 PM
At least Christian Bale had the decency to apologize and admit he acted like a punk.
Christien on February 6, 2009 at 2:08 PM
It’s too bad the Democrats don’t. Otherwise they would nix this thing.
INC on February 6, 2009 at 2:09 PM
I think we need to focus on the RINOs that vote for this and get them the heck out of office next election. This should be a national effort to vote them out.
bloggless on February 6, 2009 at 2:09 PM
Me thinks Snowe and Collins were promised a Big (wink, wink) surprise from The Messiah. F the Republican party, if this passes the damage is un-repairable, Steele should resign his commission and work to start a traditionally conservative party.
dmann on February 6, 2009 at 2:09 PM
Good Q. What about Nelson (Neb)?
INC on February 6, 2009 at 2:09 PM
Damiano on February 6, 2009 at 2:05 PM
Michelle has contact information posted for Snowe, Collins, Voinovich and Spectre.
goat on February 6, 2009 at 2:09 PM
*Sigh*
Freedom and Liberty had a good run.
kirkill on February 6, 2009 at 2:10 PM
Not if Michael Steele does his job to spin this as a democratic bill that has no republican support. Two years from now, no one will remember if only two or three repubics voted for it. It’s all about controlling the message.
Mallard T. Drake on February 6, 2009 at 2:10 PM
When will conservatives stop wishing for another Reagan. It’s like Democrats always searching for the “next” Kennedy or FDR, there can only be one. Reagans policies were of a time. Tax rates were incredibly high and he brought them down, but since they’ve pretty much stayed stable with incremental moves in either direction. Hopefully we’ll get a big tax increas under Obama but that seems unlikely. The GOP needs a forward looking message, not ZombieReagan in ’12. Though that would be so awesome I might even vote for him.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 6, 2009 at 2:10 PM
***Bangs head against wall***
Pat Toomey is NOT the answer. God help us in Pennsylvania, if he manages to beat Specter in a primary we’ll get another moron like Pat Murphy as our next Senator, and we’ll never get rid of him.
Please, all you Club For Growth morons, stay the hell out of Pennsylvania!!
rockmom on February 6, 2009 at 2:11 PM
It’s because the New Democrat platform is socialism. Wake up! The merits of this bill is more incremental socialism. Tell me how it is NOT?
kirkill on February 6, 2009 at 2:11 PM
Why copy the dem policys? In the hunt for power only?
the_nile on February 6, 2009 at 2:12 PM
What is the shelf life of a can of beans?
By COB Monday the DOW will be kapow!
Own it Dems. Drive this ship right into the iceberg. Me and Wilson will be just fine.
Limerick on February 6, 2009 at 2:13 PM
It has nothing to do with “Party.” I was against TARP, for the same reason. I am against every effort by the State to control the private sector, while it creates a command economy. I don’t give a damn which Party does it.
I’m a Conservative without a Party for a reason.
OhEssYouCowboys on February 6, 2009 at 2:13 PM
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