DeathToMediaHacks on February 6, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Don’t know if you will see this. I had to leave the computer and didn’t get back until now and want to respond to your answer to me.

Health care: It is not the government’s responsibility to see that people get health care. When the government does get involved, as it has in insidious ways over the years, the costs rise and the care declines. If you do not know the story of Ben Carson, look him up. He is a renowned neurosurgeon who quit using insurance and medicaid as compensation for his services. But, he knew that many people who need his help could not pay his fees. So, what did he do? He instituted a program whereby private funds help defray the costs for those who could not pay and has been successfully practicing his medicine and is able to help those who need it but cannot pay. There are others who have done similar things. Private people solving a problem that government does not. Not to mention the fact that the government and insurance companies deny treatments they deem too costly or for those they deem unworthy.

Housing: Good one and another typical lib red herring. The FHA is a successful program to help responsible people buy their first home. What I referred to however, was the section 8 program that has those dependent on the government living in hovels and ghettos over run with crime. Obama’s Chicago slums are the best illustration of the failure of government help. Catholic Charities on the other hand help people get into clean and affordable housing. Many other private and religious groups do the same. Let us also not forget the current situation where government decided that everyone should own a home, regardless of the ability to pay.

Food: The food stamp program is rampant with fraud and has not alleviated hunger in the least. School breakfast and lunch programs are fairly successful, but again there is huge fraud in it. On the other hand, food banks, which take in donations of food and money oversee the actual distribution of food to people who are hungry. These are private organizations and are enormously successful at getting needed food to hungry people without the fraud.

Education: Anyone who thinks the federal government has done anything but destroy education is living in denial. Talk about waste and fraud! The numbers so often given for education regarding the per pupil spending are never broken down to show how little actually gets into the classroom. Last night I heard of a program started by a teacher from the Bronx. It’s a website where teachers can post a list of necessities and “wish list” for their classrooms. Private citizens and organizations can view these lists and donate through the website, directly to the teachers. This is an example of the private sector stepping up to fill the gap in government run education.

I know that ultimately what your side wants is social darwinism. But it’s not really like that. People won’t just die off, their standard of living will just fall and it will become increasingly difficult to distinguish our country from a 3rd world country. Is that the goal of the conservative movement?

Your assessment of the type of society I wish for couldn’t be more wrong and it exemplifies the wrong headed perception liberals have of conservatives. On the contrary, what you describe is actually a result of socialist liberal policies.
The standard of living improves when people are assured that they will reap the rewards of their hard work, when ambition and innovation is not stifled by complacency brought on by a nanny state that by its very existence lulls people into inaction and tells them they cannot succeed on their own.
Third world countries are the way they are because the government has control of resources, commerce, education, food, and housing.

A meritocracy where all our equal before the law and all have an equal chance to succeed. Humility and the recognition that someone helped me get where I am. A love of country and a sense of collective responsibility, we are our brother’s keeper. Pretty simple stuff.

You articulate here some good principles. Everyone in America should be equal before the law, but judges and legislators allow their personal opinions and prejudices to influence their decisions. A true meritocracy allows people to succeed and to fail without regards to their status at birth. Few people think that they have gotten where they are without others. And most people do feel a sense of responsibility to help truly needy people. But, the confiscation of income and the redistribution propagated by the government have dulled that sense of responsibility. You look to government to create a Utopia which doesn’t and cannot ever exist.

So, I put this before you. Americans are the most generous people on this earth. Private charity in this country is greater than anywhere and that is true even under the onerous tax structure we bear. Imagine what would be given and how much more effective it would be without it! In any realm of life, government fails and private entity succeeds.

Here is my core principle: Liberal socialists believe that they can create the perfect society by force from the top down through government intervention. Conservatives believe that a good society is created from the bottom up through individual success and responsibility. Liberals see the end result as something to be imposed. Conservatives see the end result as something that is achieved.

The whole thing is a Damn O Crap scam.
Soros planned it for a long time and finaly got a bleeading heart Lib. in charge.

This figure is much too high. Most probably it’s a couple points lower when you exlude “white construction workers,” and, according to Democrat Robert Reich, they shouldn’t count. Remember, testifying in front of Congress, he said: “No White Construction Workers.”

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/reich-no-white-male-construction-workers

You do not know what you are talking about. Oklahoma is the reddest state out there and the last time I checked their unemployment rate was about 4%.

As far as education is concerned, I might live in the sticks but the majority of the kids who go to highschool here actually graduate which is more than can be said for kids in blue state inner cities.

The fools in DC have not saved us yet; let’s hope they keep arguing and never do.

Thats because most of the unemployment numbers before were generated by southern red states. You guys have just been managing your economies badly for a while now. Also why do southern states always rate the worst in education?

DeathToMediaHacks on February 6, 2009 at 2:54 PM

What a load you are.

Top 3 states by unemployment last I checked were MI, RI and CA- all blue

The the Democrat party believed this, I would be a Democrat.

WashJeff on February 6, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Well, the desire to interfere in what the state wants, surely cuts across party lines, for example the last administration’s refusal to allow states dictate their own EPA standards.

The Jewish bankers got to her, too. Worth every dime we’re paying them they’re stealing from us. She’s part of the “bipartisan group” trying to cut some spending out of the bill to make it more palatable. However, she seems……

I don’t get DtMH. I mean I have had a government job and had to take a pee test for answering calls for the post office. Telephone calls.

But I really don’t get that he doesn’t get that if we all have government jobs, no one is making the money. The person confuses the heck out of me. He promotes socialism, but for the life of the permanent student hack in his parents basement, he can’t point to where it ever worked. EVER.

Mark Garnett on February 6, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Thats because most of the unemployment numbers before were generated by southern red states. You guys have just been managing your economies badly for a while now. Also why do southern states always rate the worst in education?

Lazy Northerners and Liberals…

Your chickens are comming home… TO ROOST!

they still have not answered the question of
How in the hell is increasing welfare
Green carbon tax credits
Carbon freezing technologies
and windmills

Going to create even 1/2 a million jobs in 4 years?
it cant is the answer…
they are only spending approxy 50 billion on so called infrastructure..
thats were the 1/2 million jobs might come from
If all these jobs arent taken by illegal mexicans..

Sorry this is 900 billion dollars of liberal FRAUDULENT spending that is a DRIECT payoff to electing the dems..

this is SICK and WRONG

lonesomecharlie on February 6, 2009 at 1:39 PM

The problem is that you don’t let business interfere with government.

Would you as an American rather have a government job and be a slave to the government or a free person who is temporarily out of work?

technopeasant on February 6, 2009 at 11:28 AM

At this point, it is stable work and I don’t hear the government trying to screw citizens with immigration law. It might be a bit harder to get in, but they haven’t made requirements that were impossible to meet (read: experience required exceeds the possible existence, requires skills that citizens would not typically possess, or otherwise excludes citizens from qualifications).

Fix that one first so that you have a credible concern.

If we had let ‘Humble Oil’ had its way, we know what would have happened to Everglades National Park (’Humble Oil’ later became Exxon).

peter_griffin on February 6, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Everglades National Park can be protected at the state-level. There is nothing in the Federal constitution would prohibit the government of Florida and citizens from protecting the evergaldes.

Do progressives not realize state governments exists and the Federal Constitution gives them all powers not prohibited to it by the US constitution.

You want public funded schools? Do it.
You want to prohibit drilling for oil in your state? Prohibit it.
Want a $20 minimum wage? Do it.
Gay marriage? Legalize it.

Almost anything goes as long as the people, through their legislatures, want it.

There would be a lot less political anger if liberals\progressives would realize that state goverment exists. Progressives could create states that suit their needs (e.g., free health care, high unemployment, subsidize housing, etc.)

We conservatives would win out in some states an implement school choice, protect the unborn, no income taxes, etc.

Remember this quote from Thomas Jefferson:

To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

The the Democrat party believed this, I would be a Democrat.

History is on my side on this when. The GOP lied and misrepresented a CBO report on the stimulus a few weeks ago and while eventually they were caught the rhetorical damage has been done. I suspect within a few hours Allah will confirm that the Times (shocka!) did exactly the same thing again as they are conservative hacks and their will be a retraction but you’ll see it pop up in the comments pages here just as you still see the silliness about the timeline of the bill pop up here even though that’s long been addressed. It’s what your side does, own it.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 6, 2009 at 11:47 AM

I will say it a third time- you lied.

You produced a Huffington Post hackjob with an anonymous aide at the CBO saying no such report on the stimulus existed, when it did.

You insisted the aide was Peter Orszag, who was mentioned at the end of article. Orszag is at the OMB, not the CBO so obviously they are not the same person.

Unless the bill has changed, the Republicans were merely repeating the Washington Post story- that a paltry $26 billion of the heralded spending projects will even come this year, then $110B next year. The plurality, if not majority, of the stimulus hitting the economy in 2009 will be the tax cuts.

Ironic, no?

And you will get a crappy country if the democraps have their way.

Do the liberals really believe this crap? They are so brainwashed

that all reason & reality have escaped them. It is really sad when

your fellow countrymen fight you like you are the enemy.

We see the real enemy of America and it is the democraps.

They must be defeated and destroyed once and for alltime.

Hussein’s presidency. Hussein’s responsibility.

Hussein’s power. America’s loss.

Times that by millions and alot of starbucks people will be losing their jobsa but you know 25 year old children whose parents make $100,000 a year are now covered for healthcare so its all good.

FYP