Jobless rate hits 16-year high; Update: CBO letter
posted at 11:20 am on February 6, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
The economy lost almost 600,000 jobs in January, accelerating the increase in unemployment to a 16-year high of 7.6%. The news exceeded analyst projections, but apparently not by much, as the stock market advanced this morning despite the bad news:
The U.S. economy lost another 598,000 jobs in January, a larger than expected decline that highlighted a weak global economy and the pressure building on companies to cut costs and payrolls.
It is the largest one-month job loss since December of 1974, and pushed the unemployment rate to 7.6 percent, from 7.2 percent in December.
That is the highest unemployment rate since the fall of 1992, with 11.6 million people out of work — and would have gone even higher except for a slight decline in the number of people looking for work, itself a possible sign of economic weakness as people become discouraged from job-hunting. …
The figures released on Friday indicate broad weakness in the labor market, with losses spread throughout the economy. Manufacturing companies dropped 207,000 jobs — a more than 1.5 percent decline from the prior month — and construction firms shed 111,000. The service sector — long a stable source of job growth and touted as the country’s economic strength — lost 279,000 jobs, including 42,000 positions in the financial sector and 45,000 among retailers.
A service economy will take big hits in a recession. People will still need to buy goods, such as food and clothing, but services can get postponed or put off altogether. When manufacturing and construction rebound, services will eventually follow.
This report will put pressure on Congress to act, but probably in the worst possible way. The government plans to seize capital in order to spend it when we need to keep capital in the markets to create jobs and businesses. They will panic and pass the Porkulus Bill in the Senate without any heed to the CBO’s analysis that shows the net ten-year effect of the bill would be to depress GDP, not stimulate it.
FDR said, “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.” Barack Obama and the Democrats say, “THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!” This is the time to act wisely, not in a panic. Speaking of which, Wall Street indicators at the time I write this show all green. The Dow is up 125 points, S&P up 11, and the NASDAQ up 22. It looks like the only people panicking are Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and President Obama.
Addendum: You have to love the Washington Post’s idea of balance. Here’s the final paragraph:
Overall, Friday’s report is “yet one more demonstration of the fact that the rug has been pulled out from under working families in this country and it underscores the urgency of passing an effective stimulus package that matches the scope of the problem,” said Heidi Shierholz, an economist with the Economic Policy Institute, a liberal economic think tank.
The response from Heritage, Cato, or some other fiscal-conservative think tank? They don’t provide one. At least the WaPo properly identified the EPI.
Update: Some in the comments think that the CBO figures have been discredited. Read the letter yourself, emphasis mine:
At your request, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has conducted an analysis of the macroeconomic impact of the Inouye-Baucus amendment in the nature of a substitute to H.R. 1. CBO estimates that this Senate legislation would raise output and lower unemployment for several years, with effects broadly similar to those of H.R. 1 as introduced. In the longer run, the legislation would result in a slight decrease in gross domestic product (GDP) compared with CBO’s baseline economic forecast. …
Most of the budgetary effects of the Senate legislation occur over the next few years. Even if the fiscal stimulus persisted, however, the short-run effects on output that operate by increasing demand for goods and services would eventually fade away. In the long run, the economy produces close to its potential output on average, and that potential level is determined by the stock of productive capital, the supply of labor, and productivity. Short-run stimulative policies can affect long-run output by influencing those three factors, although such effects would generally be smaller than the short-run impact of those policies on demand.
In contrast to its positive near-term macroeconomic effects, the Senate legislation would reduce output slightly in the long run, CBO estimates, as would other similar proposals. The principal channel for this effect is that the legislation would result in an increase in government debt. To the extent that people hold their wealth as government bonds rather than in a form that can be used to finance private investment, the increased debt would tend to reduce the stock of productive capital. In economic parlance, the debt would “crowd out” private investment.
And the more we spend now, the less capital we will have later, which will reduce production in the long run.










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Ed why don’t you read your own website, AllahPundit’s discredited that Washington Times piece which blatantly lies about the recovery bill. But we know how the conservative media works (hint its just like the MSM) repeat a lie often enough and it will become true.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 6, 2009 at 11:23 AM
they need a pro-longed crisis in the minds of Americans to pass a new New Deal and the “Workers Bill of Rights”, i.e. Euro Socialism
jp on February 6, 2009 at 11:25 AM
I’m truly surprised the WaCompost added ‘liberal’ before think tank. Usually we’re supposed to believe these think tanks (unattributed) are unbiased. I guess reportage at the WaCompost is slipping and/or they feel safe enough to unmask their biases now with the ONE in office and the Dems firmly (?) in control of Congress.
eaglewingz08 on February 6, 2009 at 11:26 AM
Obama’s fault.
fogw on February 6, 2009 at 11:27 AM
Would you as an American rather have a job and be a slave to the government or a free person who is temporarily out of work?
In most of the world the majority would be the former, but I still believe that the majority of Americans treasure their freedoms, their Constitution, and their belief in their own initiative to earn a living and to pursue their own happiness.
technopeasant on February 6, 2009 at 11:28 AM
more mindless optimism from ed.
a bunch of fluff on an otherwise good blog.
Seven Seas on February 6, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Good news. Government is hiring. So the number of people who don’t produce anything – but get paid for it – is going up.
So there’s that.
lorien1973 on February 6, 2009 at 11:29 AM
How would a government job enslave you more than your average corporate job. Government doesn’t piss test nearly as much as private firms. Private firms take the liberty of scoping out you facebook profile for any incriminating evidence. Private corporations often won’t advance people who are unmarried to certain levels of positions. I don’t get this myth that private employer are lesser slavemakers than public employers.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM
Not good, or course, but employment is generally a lagging indicator. With sound economic policies, an economy can improve while unemployment continues to rise for a time. So in and of itself, this number doesn’t convey a lot about what’s next. On that question though, the news is prob. not any better. Porkulus plus more TARP/bailouts means more printing and more debt. We’ve probably had enough of both by now.
JiangxiDad on February 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM
I’m for stimulus. Obama just needs to show me how HIS plan will work. That’s all we’re asking for, right?
marklmail on February 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM
Well, with the crap sandwich Spendulus, freeing terrorists, murdering babies, etc…I feel today like THE SKY IS FALLING!
kirkill on February 6, 2009 at 11:31 AM
I read somewhere that slavery ended 144 years ago.
Limerick on February 6, 2009 at 11:31 AM
Even though we are heading for difficult waters, I believe this still applies. Levin mentioned him last night and played this video, and it’s definitely worth watching.
http://www.therightscoop.com/video-of-the-week-milton-friedman-on-greed/
funsutton on February 6, 2009 at 11:32 AM
‘slave to the government’ in the sense of paying higher taxes and having to work harder to provide for those who are not working. I was not trying to differentiate between who one worked for. Sorry for the ambiguity.
technopeasant on February 6, 2009 at 11:32 AM
How’s that bridge treating you?
blatantblue on February 6, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Me too! But conservative hyperbohacks like Technopeasant insist on accusing the government of attempting to enslave them. I guess it’s only problematic when I respond to such comments, rather than when they are originally made.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 6, 2009 at 11:33 AM
Keynes = Broken Window Fallacy
during bad times throwing money at whatever your pet project is does not improve the Economy. Just like a Broken Window is not a good thing economically, just because someone will get paid to replace it and a store will sell the new window and materials not needed. Its still a net Negative in the Overall Economy, because while it helps one area its hurting the others(the guy who has to pay for his broken Window, it also increases demand for the products thus increasing those cost(supply/demand) for the rest of us. And can lead to a bubble in things like Construction live we’ve seen recently.
jp on February 6, 2009 at 11:33 AM
Just fine, apparently under these troll bridges we have the ability to read the posts and then compare them for consistency. When you cite an article that your co-poster has said misrepresents the stimulus bill and you use it in the same misrepresentative way? That’s hackery. Plain and simple
DeathToMediaHacks on February 6, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Techno, listen to Limerick, slavery really is over. And as of yet no one’s put any bills in congress to raise taxes for anyone. So slow your roll on the hyperbolic hack attack.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 6, 2009 at 11:36 AM
Maybe that’s because government takes the fruit of my labor at the threat of gunpoint. I’ve yet to meet a McDonald’s manager that packs heat.
Limerick on February 6, 2009 at 11:36 AM
“blatantly lies about the recovery bill.” ROFLMAO! The PORKULUS bill?
Puhlease. No Stimulus. All Pork. Let the companies that crash, crash. Government stimulus doesnt work. It never did. FDR was a failure except at being a socialist and giving democrats 60 years to screw our country and work every machination they could to maintain their grasp on power.
Hussein is attempting to finish the job and eliminate the two party system, which I am sure pleases you mediahack.
dogsoldier on February 6, 2009 at 11:36 AM
So you want a taxless society then?
DeathToMediaHacks on February 6, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Nope. Just want to reserve my right to shoot back.
Limerick on February 6, 2009 at 11:39 AM
You are right. They haven’t gotten to that. Yet.
But actually they have. The plan to re-write S-Corp laws so the profits are subject to SS and with-holding taxes is coming. So just wait. It’ll come. Don’t worry your pretty little head about it.
lorien1973 on February 6, 2009 at 11:41 AM
Ask Obamas appointees..
the_nile on February 6, 2009 at 11:41 AM
guess you never went through a FBI background check for a secret clearance…
right4life on February 6, 2009 at 11:41 AM
Government workers don’t produce anything. They are takers. They take money from producers and consume it. And they output nothing useful. It’s a fundamental difference.
lorien1973 on February 6, 2009 at 11:42 AM
Maybe they should pack heat, then they could shoot dead all the turds that rob the place… Cost savings to the Gov., win – win in my book.
Mark Garnett on February 6, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Hack, here’s the final line of AP’s updated post.
He did update to say some readers were emailing that he was wrong, and addressed the confusion. There’s apparently some confusion about what the bill says, but to say AP and Ed are using the same date in opposite ways “misrepresents” the facts, to use your word.
cs89 on February 6, 2009 at 11:44 AM
That’s not true. I looked at that post this morning, and I just looked at it again. The last update has AP eliciting a copy of the CBO report. So far as I can see, he hasn’t provided an additional update, so you are not entitled to put words in his mouth. If you wish to return to the post and pull out the section where AP “discredited that Washington Times piece,” please do so. But I don’t see it.
BuckeyeSam on February 6, 2009 at 11:44 AM
“Data” not date.
cs89 on February 6, 2009 at 11:45 AM
This is not a “stimulus” bill; it’s a rape of the treasury to pay off Obama’s parasitic constituents and left wing supporters. Conservatives, Independents and even Democrats had better engage their brains and think before they sell their liberties for a pathetic nanny state.
rplat on February 6, 2009 at 11:46 AM
History is on my side on this when. The GOP lied and misrepresented a CBO report on the stimulus a few weeks ago and while eventually they were caught the rhetorical damage has been done. I suspect within a few hours Allah will confirm that the Times (shocka!) did exactly the same thing again as they are conservative hacks and their will be a retraction but you’ll see it pop up in the comments pages here just as you still see the silliness about the timeline of the bill pop up here even though that’s long been addressed. It’s what your side does, own it.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 6, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Techno, listen to Limerick, slavery really is over. And as of yet no one’s put any bills in congress to raise taxes for anyone. So slow your roll on the hyperbolic hack attack.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 6, 2009 at 11:36 AM
you must have missed the new schip bill Obama signed. Rasing taxes on all tobacco users. Cig taxes are going up .60/pack starting 4/01/09
unseen on February 6, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Yeah, I’ve been out of work since the Friday before Thanksgiving. It stinks.
Kensington on February 6, 2009 at 11:48 AM
i thought it was 5 million last month. oh..nevermind.
vcferlita on February 6, 2009 at 11:48 AM
So what is stopping Barry & crew from passing the stimulus then? You have the seats. Use ‘em!
Oh, I forgot, then you’ll own it.
Limerick on February 6, 2009 at 11:49 AM
I resent all the hyperbole about this being the first time in history that we have been in the position. I am 55 and I have been through several of these corrections. I don’t mind the government making some adjustments but I don’t know why we have to have a wholesale payback to the Democrat party’s donation base. And I sure as heck don’t understand why the tax payers should be propping up Pres. Obama’s reelection infrastructure with payments to Acorn. It appears that TARP and it’s after effects are universally unpopular but we just can’t wait to dive right in and do something equally or more stupid.
Cindy Munford on February 6, 2009 at 11:50 AM
Ah, you beat me to it. People don’t seem to understand that it’s these insidious little, hidden taxes that are killing this country. Both sides focus on the income tax, but the truth it that a large percentage of people don’t even pay that, but everyone pays sales, payroll, unemployment, FICA etc…not to mention the hundreds of others at the state and local level.
This “stimulus” is just further proof that the Dems think they know better than you how your money is best spent. Afterall, we all got checks last summer and no one spent it on what the government wanted.
Jvette on February 6, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Well the president lied when he said that the deficit was waiting for him when he got to the Oval Office. The dumbass was a member of Congress, he voted for most of it. Especially in the last two years. Oh wait, he had been campaigning so I guess he can disavow any responsibility.
Cindy Munford on February 6, 2009 at 11:53 AM
History is not on your side when you read Solzhenitsyn – A day in the life of Ivan Denisovich. That illustrates the point of enslavement where we are headed. No more opportunities for prosperity. The difference is socialist liberals know they have to do it incrementally now, otherwise there will be backlash. And now they have their slogan, hope-n-change, but they NEVER specify what the freakin’ change is.
kirkill on February 6, 2009 at 11:53 AM
When the government confiscates much of your pay check in the form of taxes you are effectively working for the government as a ‘slave’. I’d pee in a cup every day of my life if it meant my taxes would be cut and I’d be free to spend or save as I see fit.
Buy Danish on February 6, 2009 at 11:53 AM
I got rid of an employee yesterday. First time I’ve ever had to fire someone that I actually liked. It sucked.
Less due to the economy and more related to the fact that I only need extra people seasonally, though.
lorien1973 on February 6, 2009 at 11:53 AM
……………….. and those of us who have been laid off.
Seven Percent Solution on February 6, 2009 at 11:55 AM
He didn’t say that a govt job would enslave you. He said that govt would.
MarkTheGreat on February 6, 2009 at 11:55 AM
The bottom line is the Democraps need cover. They are afraid to govern using their own logo on the cover. Same old jackassery, different day.
Limerick on February 6, 2009 at 11:56 AM
Will adding billions more to the “stimulus” bill for smoking cessation. We’re paying billions to stop the tax revenue. You can’t make this stuff up.
Cindy Munford on February 6, 2009 at 11:56 AM
Maybe that’s because government takes the fruit of my labor at the threat of gunpoint.
Uh…sorry, but Harry Reid says our tax system is voluntary.
Reid is one of yours, Hacks.
Bishop on February 6, 2009 at 11:57 AM
DeathToMediaHacks on February 6, 2009 at 11:33 AM
When was the last time a private company told me what kind of food I could eat, or where I could live, or who I could marry?
Govt is force. Private enterprise is persuasion.
MarkTheGreat on February 6, 2009 at 11:58 AM
Exactly , why do they want the Reps to vote for the bill if the Reps are so stupid.
Own it , Marxists. Put your names on the emperors nude deal.
the_nile on February 6, 2009 at 11:58 AM
Is that Samantha Power standing in that unemployment line?
MayBee on February 6, 2009 at 11:58 AM
Tell me why “our” new president has to read from a teleprompter to express his outrage that the Americans want to keep their money in their pockets and spend it the way they want to? Could it be he doesn’t believe in this stimulus bill himself an he wants to make sure he doesn’t veer off message? I have dubbed this guy PROMPTERBAMA!
Atlanta Media Guy on February 6, 2009 at 11:58 AM
dogsoldier on February 6, 2009 at 11:36 AM
Obama said it was a lie. Therefore it is.
That’s all the logic Hacks needs.
MarkTheGreat on February 6, 2009 at 12:00 PM
So you want a society in which the govt controlls everything?
MarkTheGreat on February 6, 2009 at 12:00 PM
There has never been a spending bill that stimulated the economy. Period.
The only thing Washington can do to stimulate the economy is to stop holding it down.
MarkTheGreat on February 6, 2009 at 12:03 PM
The idiot messiah is babbling again on TV. Same cr#p he spouted yesterday, with a little more control of his emotions. He is leaning on the new job numbers to ram through his sh!tty spending bill. He threatens trouble for YEARS – but the spending bill must be passed TODAY! Right now!!
What a moron.
progressoverpeace on February 6, 2009 at 12:04 PM
“the rug has been pulled out from under working families in this country”
Thank you Barney Franks and Chris Dodd.
To satisfy your sick perversions, you ruined millions of lives.
But you two, and your wealthy backers, are doing just fine, aren’t you? Of course, you don’t work.
notagool on February 6, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Jvette on February 6, 2009 at 11:52 AM
yes people do not do math. That .60/pack will cost my mother and father who both smoke about a pack a day about $425/year. My father is on SS. that will hurt and that is $425 that he can not spend on something else like going to the dinner, a cup of coffee etc. Times that by millions and alot of starbucks people will be losing their jobsa but you know 25 year old children are now covered for healthcare so its all good.
unseen on February 6, 2009 at 12:05 PM
What is the sound of one hand clapping?
Tav on February 6, 2009 at 12:07 PM
While you are on a reply streak, I am wondering if you could help me understand liberals\progressives. Specifically, what is your core principle? What are you trying to convice us towards?
My core principle, and probably many conservatives, is:
Secure and defend our nation, and protect the liberties of the states and its citizens.
This is what I want out of the party I call home. Make sure our nation is safe. Make sure my state has as much freedom, within the constraints of the US constituion as our forefathers intended, to create laws that it sees fit. Make sure our federal goverment does not intrude on my God given freedom.
That’s my destination, what is yours?
WashJeff on February 6, 2009 at 12:08 PM
DeathToMediaHacks on February 6, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Old Hack- Ed, you’re misrepresenting! AP said so!
New Hack- AP will say this is a misrepresentation.
Classic liberal response to facts- move the words just inside the line of plausible deniability.
cs89 on February 6, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Perhaps unlike yesterday he had a couple of smokes before today’s
tiradeenlightening speach.I would like to see a new feature at Hotair. A graph of Jimmy Carter I’s approval numbers at the top of Hotair covering his 4 years in the White House with Jimmy Carter II’s approval numbers being tracked alongside.
MB4 on February 6, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Caught you misrepresenting AP’s post, didn’t I? Persona non grata; you’re a person of little or no integrity.
BuckeyeSam on February 6, 2009 at 12:18 PM
I know what you mean. I am a moderate smoker having reduced my usage to about 1/2a pack a day due to the rising costs.
It never ceases to amaze me how people are willing to throw under the bus, those who have vices that they do not have. I would like to see an extra tax on condoms, since I am married and do not use them. After all, more people are having sex outside of marriage than are smokers and that is a practice of which I disapprove and think is harmful and unhealthy.
I would also like to see an added tax on movie tickets, afterall, the garbage they put out is very harmful to our society and culture and kids and all that.
I think we should tax meat eaters, afterall, animal farts are ruining the climate. And maybe a tax on abortions, there could be tons of revenue collected there. Or on how about plastic surgery? Hey, I could do this all day.
Oh, and what about equal protection under the law? Smokers need not apply? Pay more for health insurance, have to leave the building in cold and inclement weather and are now expected to pay more so that adults, who should be supporting themselves can have insurance, they probably don’t need and don’t want.
Jvette on February 6, 2009 at 12:19 PM
I cannot imagine how many times my husband got piss tested when he was in the military (psst…that’s one of those gov’t jobs that “doesn’t piss test nearly as much as private firms”). Not because he did anything to warrant it, but because the unit/company had their quarterly or whatever piss testing. Everyone hated it. Men and women had to do it, and you had to be monitored peeing in the cup, no door shut. At least when I go for a job I can go in a bathroom and shut the door. Darn those private firms and allowing me privacy/humility. My mother is a gov’t employee and she gets piss tested more than my husband, who is now in the private sector. Government jobs are voluntary, the military is voluntary, but there is not a lot of freedom and “Uncle Sam” dictates much more than a boss in the private sector. Easily. There is just more job security in government jobs than in the private sector. It’s a give and take.
mauioriginal on February 6, 2009 at 12:22 PM
Dude, what do you think the end game is here? Massive tax increases. At a minimum, allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire. But eventually taxes will have to be increased on all productive people and businesses. Look at what is happening already in California, New York, and New Jersey and you will see what is in store for America.
Liberals used to love to accuse conservatives of pushing tax cuts in order to starve the government and eventually reduce it. Now they are doing the exact same thing, only in reverse – run up the government tab so high that taxes have to be increased. This is most assuredly NOT just about the spending for liberals’ pet causes. It is about creating deficits so massive that taxes have to be raised to punishing levels.
rockmom on February 6, 2009 at 12:25 PM
It is an outrage people are losing jobs at such a rate. I lay much of the blame at the feet of Bush and Paulson, who went into full !PANIC! mode in October to get their precious Bailout money and in the process scared the livin’ sh*t out of employers everywhere. Now, we have the Idiot Boy Wonder doing his part to stoke the FEAR that is driving these employment #s into the tank.
Our government couldn’t do worse by us if it tried. It may be torch and pitchfork time, people.
james23 on February 6, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Maybe you should wish death on Ed and AP, like you did on Olbie, O’Reilly, and the rest. Since you just insinuated that Ed and AllahP are “media hacks” and all…..
On Topic:
we’re screwed. That is all.
mjk on February 6, 2009 at 12:28 PM
MB4 on February 6, 2009 at 12:28 PM
Record job loss, and the stock market goes up 157 points. Go figure.
SoulGlo on February 6, 2009 at 12:30 PM
History may be repeating itself, first as tragedy with Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin, and now as farce with George Bush having played the role of Karl Marx and Barack Obama now playing the role of Vladimir Lenin.
New growth stocks.
MB4 on February 6, 2009 at 12:32 PM
Who is to blame Bush or Obama?
The market is reacting this way because corporations will cut their losses by firing people. It’s business as usual.
kanda on February 6, 2009 at 12:33 PM
See that is what you liberals do…
Let me explain, though I suspect you already know, what conservatives want regarding taxes.
We want the government to take only what it needs to fund its legitimate constitutional duties and functions.
We are sick of the government under the guise of “the common good” confiscating the earned income of productive citizens to pay for other citizen’s food, housing, and health care.
We are sick of the government giving money to “artists” who can’t make an honest dime off their products. We are sick of the government paying for fruit fly research, museums named for the sycophant who conned the rest of the sycophants into giving him money. We are tired of paying for bridges to nowhere, roads and highways that are torn up for one project and then torn up again a year later for a different one.
We are sick of the constant fraud and waste that is federal spending. Both sides of the aisle have duped the public into thinking that without the government this whole thing falls apart. That isn’t true. Name one, just one government run program that isn’t being better addressed in the private sector.
Education? NO
Postal Service and package delivery?
Health care? No and that they will once they control it is a fallacy and is blatantly obvious where ever it is in place.
Housing? No
Job training and placement? No
In every area of modern life, those who use private funds have more success when they attempt to help, than the government could ever even dream of.
Does that answer your silly question?
Jvette on February 6, 2009 at 12:35 PM
The gov. creates nothing, they only take what is earned. That is why the founders were so adamant about limiting the scope and size of govt.
It is literally impossible, mathematically impossible for the govt. to create jobs that produce more then they can take in. There is no such thing as a perpetual motion device.
First, whatever money comes in, x amount is taken out for administration, that amount is anywhere from 30% to 80%, that means whatever is created has to outproduce the average by 5 to 10 times profit. Add the cost of interest, and it becomes staggering.
Simple economics 101, or business 101, will show you…the gov only consumes, it doesn’t create.
The closest it comes is in military contracts. Or if they actually built infrastructure where they could charge money, like a nuclear power grid…but they won’t, that takes to much money out of the politicians hands.
right2bright on February 6, 2009 at 12:42 PM
It’s congress, they spend the money and they have the “oversight”. They create the bills, and they create the taxes.
right2bright on February 6, 2009 at 12:44 PM
I think DeathtoMediaHacks just doesn’t want to do a piss test. If you are outraged that you can’t be a legal dope smoker, then become a libertarian, not a socialist.
kelley in virginia on February 6, 2009 at 12:53 PM
I’m reminded of a popular Russian joke from the Soviet era:
“They pretend to pay us, and we pretend to work.”
Loxodonta on February 6, 2009 at 12:53 PM
You’d still be paying for those things, just in indirect ways. If we got rid of medicaire a whole class of citizens would rush to the emergency room where they could not deny care (or in your version of America…maybe they can). Hospitals, without public funds go bankrupt. Or if they do get some tax dollars they pass the emergency room costs onto insurance companies and everyones premiums go through the roof. YAY Taxless society.
Housing. Are you against the FHA? Are you against first time sweetheart loans for young families? Because I bet more than a few of your conservative neighbors benefited from those types of programs. Under your rubric they go away, interest rates rise for “resopnsible” homeowners, not just the folks who got adjustable rate ones, housing market implodes….more.
Food. Are you proposing we get rid of all food stamp programs? Malnutrition, as a rule, isn’t a good thing for a society. When people are hungry they are more likely to steal for it or for their kids. When people are hungry they are more likely to have health problems, exacerbating the issue of healthcare costs as they too would go to the emergency room.
I know that ultimately what your side wants is social darwinism. But it’s not really like that. People won’t just die off, their standard of living will just fall and it will become increasingly difficult to distinguish our country from a 3rd world country. Is that the goal of the conservative movement?
Oh and someone asked about my core principles, it’s simple really:
A meritocracy where all our equal before the law and all have an equal chance to succeed. Humility and the recognition that someone helped me get where I am. A love of country and a sense of collective responsibility, we are our brother’s keeper. Pretty simple stuff.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 6, 2009 at 12:58 PM
To continue:
Education Spending = No, should be on local level only, no unions…
Military = Yes, as perscribed in The Constitution…
Housing = NO, personal responsibility…
Job Training / Unemployment = No, personal responsibility…
So few of the current Government programs are Constitutional. They need to be scrapped. All of them. Get out of our day to day lives, leave our Childrens education to Parents, not Liberal Unions.
Follow the Constitution, nothing more. Americans will do the rest.
Health Care = No, it is NOT a right granted in The Constitution…
Roads, Bridges = Yes, but locally controled and managed…
EPA = No, State issue…
Mark Garnett on February 6, 2009 at 12:58 PM
Well, one can argue on the other side as well. You don’t have to go far, just look at Enron to see how privatization of power went. If we had let ‘Humble Oil’ had its way, we know what would have happened to Everglades National Park (‘Humble Oil’ later became Exxon). Even on this site, I have seen a lot of outrage (justifiably so) against the ‘big brother’ attitude of large corporations like Google or Microsoft. In short, Jvette, we need a healthy balance, no extreme can actually improve our society.
peter_griffin on February 6, 2009 at 1:04 PM
It is simple : all corporations have direct fiduciary obligations to their shareholders, however they really do not have any such obligation to the people who consume their products (other than law enforcement, which again leads to big government, not conservatively cool). So, there are things that really cannot be entrusted to private entities, period.
peter_griffin on February 6, 2009 at 1:06 PM
If that is truly what you want and you support Obama then you have indeed hitched your wagon to the wrong star.
MB4 on February 6, 2009 at 1:09 PM
Your argument seems to have nothing to do with “enslavement” and everything to do with a utter lack of any sense of personal accountability.
1. Government doesn’t piss test nearly as much as private firms. First, this statement has no basis in reality. Not only do most gov’t. jobs require drug tests, many also require security clearances, lie detector tests and similar checks that are either prohibited by law or otherwise not utilized in private industry. Further, most private companies that do business with gov’t agencies are required by the agency to provide drug testing for jobs that would ordinarily not have it. Your objection to “piss tests” has nothing to do with “freedom” and everything to do with your clear desire to break the law and not get caught. If you have a problem with drug laws, then you need to look to lawmakers aka the government, not private companies who seek to comply with laws. But I guess simple understand of basic principles is lost on pot heads like you. I have no need of drug addicts in the workplace, who are proven to be far less productive and whose only purpose seems to be to fund their addiction. Please, stay unemployed and starve to death.
2. Private firms take the liberty of scoping out you facebook profile for any incriminating evidence. Why are you so concerned about people looking at your Facebook page? If you’re stupid enough to post your bad habits for all the world to see, then it’s your own stupidity. More to the point, most government positions prohibit use of any social networking sites for security reasons. See the Obama White House staff for details.
3. Private corporations often won’t advance people who are unmarried to certain levels of positions. This practice is against federal law. Your assertion has also not been even remotely true since sometime in the 1920s. If you’re not getting promoted, perhaps you should consider actually doing work instead of updating your Facebook page and doing drugs all day. I’ve never had a problem getting promoted, but I don’t do drugs and have no personal problems that I am ashamed of, but never the less, post on the web.
To take the point one step futher- what, precisely, does the government produce? Answer- absolutely nothing. Government jobs exist for the sole purpose of spending taxpayer money and redistributing it. They add nothing to the GDP. So if you want to impact the economy over the short and long term, what makes more sense- create government jobs that produce nothing or private sector jobs that immediately add to the GDP and produce all the wealth in the world?
Now, here are so questions for you:
- What jobs pay better for similar job categories- goobermint or private?
- What jobs are not funded by taxpayer dollars?
- What jobs add to the GDP?
Put down your bong and listen to someone other than your band of Facebook stoners.
Damiano on February 6, 2009 at 1:11 PM
How would a government job enslave you more than your
Are you serious? At least when I work for a private corporation I can market myself to its competitors if I feel I’m being treated unfairly. This forces me to produce a better product and them to pay me a fair market wage. If I’m really unhappy, I can start my own business. There is no such reprieve from government control. Come on, Hack, use your brain instead of being such a reactionary.
patriette on February 6, 2009 at 1:14 PM
FYP
eyedoc on February 6, 2009 at 1:15 PM
Hussein’s watch. Hussein’s fault.
Hussein’s presidency. Hussein’s responsibility.
Hussein’s power. America’s loss.
madmonkphotog on February 6, 2009 at 1:19 PM
crappy economy + crappy staff + crappy policies + crappy president = democraps
And you will get a crappy country if the democraps have their way.
Do the liberals really believe this crap? They are so brainwashed
that all reason & reality have escaped them. It is really sad when
your fellow countrymen fight you like you are the enemy.
We see the real enemy of America and it is the democraps.
They must be defeated and destroyed once and for alltime.
izoneguy on February 6, 2009 at 1:24 PM
I will say it a third time- you lied.
You produced a Huffington Post hackjob with an anonymous aide at the CBO saying no such report on the stimulus existed, when it did.
You insisted the aide was Peter Orszag, who was mentioned at the end of article. Orszag is at the OMB, not the CBO so obviously they are not the same person.
Unless the bill has changed, the Republicans were merely repeating the Washington Post story- that a paltry $26 billion of the heralded spending projects will even come this year, then $110B next year. The plurality, if not majority, of the stimulus hitting the economy in 2009 will be the tax cuts.
Ironic, no?
Chuck Schick on February 6, 2009 at 1:27 PM
Everglades National Park can be protected at the state-level. There is nothing in the Federal constitution would prohibit the government of Florida and citizens from protecting the evergaldes.
Do progressives not realize state governments exists and the Federal Constitution gives them all powers not prohibited to it by the US constitution.
You want public funded schools? Do it.
You want to prohibit drilling for oil in your state? Prohibit it.
Want a $20 minimum wage? Do it.
Gay marriage? Legalize it.
Almost anything goes as long as the people, through their legislatures, want it.
There would be a lot less political anger if liberals\progressives would realize that state goverment exists. Progressives could create states that suit their needs (e.g., free health care, high unemployment, subsidize housing, etc.)
We conservatives would win out in some states an implement school choice, protect the unborn, no income taxes, etc.
Remember this quote from Thomas Jefferson:
The the Democrat party believed this, I would be a Democrat.
WashJeff on February 6, 2009 at 1:31 PM
At this point, it is stable work and I don’t hear the government trying to screw citizens with immigration law. It might be a bit harder to get in, but they haven’t made requirements that were impossible to meet (read: experience required exceeds the possible existence, requires skills that citizens would not typically possess, or otherwise excludes citizens from qualifications).
Fix that one first so that you have a credible concern.
sethstorm on February 6, 2009 at 1:31 PM
I don’t know why everyone is in a tizzy over the unemployment rate. The American people voted for change. One of Dear Leader’s goals is to change America to a European economic model. For the past 30 years European countries have run a consistent 10 to 12 percent unemployment rate. What’s the fuss? This is what Americans wanted. I guess that they didn’t realize that they would be unemployed. I have no sympathy for any of them.
lonesomecharlie on February 6, 2009 at 1:39 PM
The problem is that you don’t let business interfere with government.
sethstorm on February 6, 2009 at 1:48 PM
Wow, the Obama Economy is really off to a great start! Going to a fun 4 years….NOT
Norwegian on February 6, 2009 at 2:06 PM
Yes this is true BUT..
they still have not answered the question of
How in the hell is increasing welfare
Green carbon tax credits
Carbon freezing technologies
and windmills
Going to create even 1/2 a million jobs in 4 years?
it cant is the answer…
they are only spending approxy 50 billion on so called infrastructure..
thats were the 1/2 million jobs might come from
If all these jobs arent taken by illegal mexicans..
Sorry this is 900 billion dollars of liberal FRAUDULENT spending that is a DRIECT payoff to electing the dems..
this is SICK and WRONG
jcila on February 6, 2009 at 2:24 PM
Has anyone else noted that MOSt of the layoffs are in Liberal / Demo held and run States??? Hummmm, Union wages, lazy workers, high taxes, welfare, did I mention Unions?
Lazy Northerners and Liberals…
Your chickens are comming home… TO ROOST!
Mark Garnett on February 6, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Thats because most of the unemployment numbers before were generated by southern red states. You guys have just been managing your economies badly for a while now. Also why do southern states always rate the worst in education?
DeathToMediaHacks on February 6, 2009 at 2:54 PM
I think DeathtoMediaHacks just doesn’t want to do a piss test.
I don’t get DtMH. I mean I have had a government job and had to take a pee test for answering calls for the post office. Telephone calls.
But I really don’t get that he doesn’t get that if we all have government jobs, no one is making the money. The person confuses the heck out of me. He promotes socialism, but for the life of the permanent student hack in his parents basement, he can’t point to where it ever worked. EVER.
Noelie on February 6, 2009 at 2:57 PM
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