Stimulusmania: Support for bill dropped 12 points in January, says new CBS poll; Update: Senate calls it a night
posted at 8:12 pm on February 5, 2009 by Allahpundit
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No wonder The One’s in such a hurry to ram it through: The longer this thing rots, the more people end up running from the smell. A bare majority still support it, CBS notes — contra Rasmussen — but that’s the only stimulus-related good news here for Democrats:
Eighty-one percent of Americans say the stimulus bill should be a bipartisan effort. Just 13 percent think it is okay for a bill to be passed with only the backing of the Democratic majority.
There are signs that Americans are receptive to Republicans’ push to increase the proportion of tax cuts in the stimulus bill: Asked whether higher government spending or tax cuts for business would be more effective in ending the recession, 59 percent choose the tax cuts. Just 22 percent prefer more government spending…
The public is not optimistic about the impact of the economic stimulus bill: Just 21 percent believe it will significantly shorten the recession. An additional 18 percent believe it will shorten the recession slightly. Forty-five percent say it will not shorten the recession at all.
Madam Speaker assured Obama tonight that she’s got his back. We’ll see how that holds up when he comes asking for another trillion for TARP II, especially since (again per CBS) a slim plurality now opposes any further bailouts.
The Senate vote is expected tonight but no one knows when. Over/under on the roll call is 10:15 p.m.; over/under on the bill itself, which is still being written, is $815 billion. Treat this as an open thread if you’re watching the floor debates on C-SPAN2. While we wait, here’s Grahamnesty continuing his big day with a golden moment on the floor versus Barbara Boxer.
Update: Reid’s decided that the debate on whether to drop $800 billion should extend another couple of hours, so he’ll see you tomorrow morning.
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By B.O.’s logic a $20 trillion “stimulus package” would be 20x better for the economy than the current one.
aquaviva on February 5, 2009 at 9:46 PM
What happened to the video?
pugwriter on February 5, 2009 at 9:47 PM
The libs are beyond bankrupting generations. They are trying to bankrupt the country – tying our monetary system to our economy through guarantees and loans, and then killing our economy with their anti-growth, anti-competitive, anti-capitalist idiocy. That way, when the dollar goes, they can bring martial law and really do what they want.
And I’m not joking. With the death of the dollar comes the military on the streets.
progressoverpeace on February 5, 2009 at 9:48 PM
The “Maine” part, probably.
Benny unwittingly provided us with the perfect term for our President.
ddrintn on February 5, 2009 at 9:48 PM
HuffPo has a video here, but I can’t get it to work.
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Watch Live: Obama Speaks To House Democrats
INC on February 5, 2009 at 9:49 PM
Honestly, I didn’t notice. My eyes were wide and my jaw was on the floor with what I saw and heard. I was watching CSPAN as Reid was delaying the vote until Friday, when a poster here said that Obama was speaking. I switched to FOX and saw him in mid rant. The crowd (whoever they were) was laughing and egging him on, and he grew more and more agitated. I then changed the channel because I just could not take it anymore. When I switched back he was all calm, and saying that his doors were always open for those with concerns. I laughed out loud and got a bowl of cocoa puffs.
Weight of Glory on February 5, 2009 at 9:50 PM
I’m the speech now on YouTube. The crowd laughs when he mentions Alaska. What’s so funny about Alaska?
terryannonline on February 5, 2009 at 9:51 PM
INC on February 5, 2009 at 9:49 PM
genso on February 5, 2009 at 9:51 PM
I prefer the Trillion Dollar Ad Campaign myself
Sekhmet on February 5, 2009 at 9:52 PM
What has he ever done wittingly?
Jim Treacher on February 5, 2009 at 9:52 PM
Where was Graham when it counted for the last eight years? Where was his outrage then? What did he do when the Dems were treasonous during two wars? What in the hell did he do?
Travis1 on February 5, 2009 at 9:52 PM
Not that you need to add this but Thomas Sowell is also oppose to it.
One of the smartest economists evah!
katy on February 5, 2009 at 9:53 PM
terryannonline on February 5, 2009 at 9:51 PM
Do you have a link, terry? I can’t find it on youtube.
IrishEi on February 5, 2009 at 9:54 PM
Me thinks,with Hopey,the Stimulus fiasco,
its a remake,of the movie
‘Blazing Saddles’,accept
Obama’s not the sheriff!
All in a panic to save
Rock Ridge!
canopfor on February 5, 2009 at 9:54 PM
Suggest you read this. It’s a little thick, but I think you will find a careful read rewarding.
aquaviva on February 5, 2009 at 9:54 PM
promachus on February 5, 2009 at 9:44 PM
Interesting, do you have a link? Has Meg decided to get in yet? Last I heard only Poizner had announced. I’ve also only heard of on GOP cahallenger for Boxer so far though his name eludes me for now, Carly could stand a strong chance at toppling her though.
goat on February 5, 2009 at 9:56 PM
Part 1
terryannonline on February 5, 2009 at 9:56 PM
It looks as if Gateway Pundit had a clip of that little talking to (temper tantrum) ; but it’s already been taken down from The People’s Tube.
(if that’s what you were referring to)
dangit. I hope someone has it.
tehd on February 5, 2009 at 9:56 PM
Thanks terry……..
………. me thinks this needs it’s own thread.
Seven Percent Solution on February 5, 2009 at 9:58 PM
No kidding? He really said THAT? Man alive, he’s got the thinnest skin of any politician I’ve ever seen.
a capella on February 5, 2009 at 10:01 PM
The timely resurrection of the 10th Amendment?
DerKrieger on February 5, 2009 at 10:02 PM
He said that deficit was there when he arrived in the WH and yes he did say something about being tied neatly in a bow.
terryannonline on February 5, 2009 at 10:04 PM
Thanks, aqua. I skimmed the article and it fills in a lot of the details nicely. We all talked about this during the initial credit crisis – when we tried to warn that this was on the horizon. This is why I have been so incensed that people kept talking about “the economy” when the problem was the monetary system. We can live through a bad economy. We can live through an awful economy. But we can’t live through the demise of our monetary system.
Oh well. We’re strapped in, now.
progressoverpeace on February 5, 2009 at 10:04 PM
Thanks terry
IrishEi on February 5, 2009 at 10:04 PM
It’s even more childish than that. He actually said that the deficit was placed in a box with a pretty little bow tied around it. He is not a leader.
Weight of Glory on February 5, 2009 at 10:06 PM
Part 1
terryannonline on Feb 5,2009 at 9:56PM.
terryannonline: Terry,I thankyou,as well!
—————
“Bogged Down”!!!!!!!!!!
I bet that was a Iraq War reference,by Obama!
canopfor on February 5, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Here’s Part 2, btw.
Pasalubong on February 5, 2009 at 10:10 PM
I am watching Graham on Gretta and for the first time I actually like what he is saying. He is clearly pointing out the deficiencies and leftist only appropriations in this bill. Thank you every Republican for standing up to this nonsense.
Multibucket on February 5, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Here’s the story on California.
promachus on February 5, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Barbara(Boo Game)Boxer is ghetto!
sonnyspats1 on February 5, 2009 at 10:12 PM
I think Graham was committed to Mccain after 2000 and went along him to help get Mccain bipartisan-centrist cred. Now that Mccain has lost, he’s finally coming into his own. Glad to see him fight this so well. Thanks, Senator. Appreciate ya.
promachus on February 5, 2009 at 10:15 PM
“Number one: When they say, ‘Well, why are we spending $800 billion? We’ve got this huge deficit.’ First of all… I found this deficit when I showed up, number one. I found this national debt, doubled, wrapped in a big bow, waiting for me as I stepped into the Oval Office.”
Jim Treacher on February 5, 2009 at 10:15 PM
And check the rpm’s in Milton Friedman’s grave.
PackerBronco on February 5, 2009 at 10:15 PM
What would like to go with that whine, Dear Leader?
smellthecoffee on February 5, 2009 at 10:16 PM
Thanks Terry, I could only watch about 5 minutes of it, uuuuggghhh. What a moron and not of the AoSHQ variety but the real type. He bitches about the deficit Bush left him but he wants to double or triple it, egads. The doofus would fail the high school econ class I took.
goat on February 5, 2009 at 10:18 PM
Anymore when I watch a youtube that is really great at the expense of the left, when I get the offer to download to Real Player, I go for it. You know it won’t be up on Youtube the next time you go to watch it.
smellthecoffee on February 5, 2009 at 10:18 PM
I just finished watching Grahamn’s whole speech on CSPAN.org. Wow, did he rock.
terryannonline on February 5, 2009 at 10:19 PM
I am sorry to hear that after sixteen days that the White House staff is just worn out. I guess pay back really is hell.
Cindy Munford on February 5, 2009 at 10:19 PM
How about some of that free government cheese Please!!!
Brat4life on February 5, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Gosh, imagine that!
I guess my well reasoned message for boxer fell on deaf ears. I’m shocked, shocked I tell you.
jukin on February 5, 2009 at 10:20 PM
There seems to be a glitch in the comments, my first post of this comment sent me to msn dot com and the next said it was a duplicate.
goat on February 5, 2009 at 10:21 PM
Just viewed the videos on youtube.com. Oh.My.God. Amateur Hour is back on the dial.
churchill995 on February 5, 2009 at 10:22 PM
The lead in to that video was almost more than I could take.
Cindy Munford on February 5, 2009 at 10:22 PM
promachus on February 5, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Thanks I will check it out.
goat on February 5, 2009 at 10:23 PM
LOL
katy on February 5, 2009 at 10:26 PM
Ed, AP:
I think it’s time for a Stimulus Bill Haiku Contest Thread.
It’s been a while since we’ve offered our comments in prose.
BobMbx on February 5, 2009 at 10:27 PM
Thanks Terry, Obama just made himself into an uber-partisan hack with that display. I could only watch a few minutes of it and this goofball wants GOP support, ha.
goat on February 5, 2009 at 10:28 PM
link?
smellthecoffee on February 5, 2009 at 10:28 PM
The Liberals Hope
and Change,is coming
undone,the pillers are
cracking,Hopey is in the
early stages of snapping!
—————
The Fence Post Turtle has
awakened to its existence!Ahem.
canopfor on February 5, 2009 at 10:29 PM
just search obama stimulus 02/05/09 on youtube.com.
2 part video, about 17 min together
churchill995 on February 5, 2009 at 10:31 PM
And the way to take care of that national debt is make it bigger. God, what geniuses.
ddrintn on February 5, 2009 at 10:32 PM
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGgzOOXvZQI
churchill995 on February 5, 2009 at 10:33 PM
Just watched the video. What’s so damn funny about him admitting he never visited Alaska? He seems like such an ass here.
Ampersand on February 5, 2009 at 10:34 PM
part 2
brace yourself for the intro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9CGCUTlHfc
churchill995 on February 5, 2009 at 10:34 PM
Hey, give him credit. At least he got the number of states right this time.
churchill995 on February 5, 2009 at 10:35 PM
It’s nervous laughter.
Jim Treacher on February 5, 2009 at 10:35 PM
MSNBC has put some long clips of the speech. So if you want a better quality video go here.
terryannonline on February 5, 2009 at 10:37 PM
promachus on February 5, 2009 at 10:12 PM
I agree with that article, Carly and Meg would be great for this state while Moonbeam Brown, Newsome and Villiagarosa are all clowns.
goat on February 5, 2009 at 10:38 PM
Yeah. Kinda weird hearing Hail to the Chief since he doesn’t allow it played anymore.
IrishEi on February 5, 2009 at 10:39 PM
Well you just cant get to all 57 of them can you?
the_nile on February 5, 2009 at 10:39 PM
I am 0.37 and I can’t bear the smug little smirk on his face. He’s preaching to the choir. Geez, Obama, in case you haven’t noticed you’re the president of most powerful country now, not of back country radical club or a Chicago church.
promachus on February 5, 2009 at 10:40 PM
All that was missing was him doing Axel Foley mocking Porkulus critics: “Uh, we’re not going to fall for a banana in the tailpipe!”
Christien on February 5, 2009 at 10:41 PM
Really? Why is that?
Cindy Munford on February 5, 2009 at 10:42 PM
ddrintn on February 5, 2009 at 10:32 PM
He chides Bush over his deficit but then wants to double or triple it, insane. There is maybe 100 bil in that spending package that is worthy but the rest is pure saturated fat and the worthy parts could go in normal appropriations. He would fail a high school econ class.
goat on February 5, 2009 at 10:45 PM
Sad but true. Here’s the post from Gateway Pundit:
Unreal! Obama Replaces “Hail to the Chief” With Sting’s “Desert Rose” — With Arabic Lyrics
IrishEi on February 5, 2009 at 10:46 PM
Hope both of them can do it. That’d be awesome.
promachus on February 5, 2009 at 10:46 PM
My 10:46 PM post was for you Cindy.
IrishEi on February 5, 2009 at 10:47 PM
This comes right after he would have failed a high school English class with that pathetic piece of chicken-scratch he wrote for the WaPo.
Precedent of Harvard Law Review … Heh.
Three cheers for affirmative action!! Hip, hip, hooray!
progressoverpeace on February 5, 2009 at 10:48 PM
Thanks churchill. I just can’t do it. The sanctimony, the hypocrisy, the demagoguery–I only lasted 30 secs. Thanks to all your comments, I think I’ve got the jist.
smellthecoffee on February 5, 2009 at 10:48 PM
What is that saying? You can take the politician out of the ghetto but you can’t take the ghetto out of the politician.
goat on February 5, 2009 at 10:49 PM
Just read the post. Love this part…
Well it’s a ‘Pomp and Circumstance’ kind of job B.O. You asked for it, you got it. Maybe, just maybe, it’s not about you B.O. It’s about the position.
Ampersand on February 5, 2009 at 10:51 PM
Barry’s acting out like a teen whose dad won’t let him have the keys to take the family car to a weekend kegger. It’s alarming that simply being told “No” sets him off like this.
Christien on February 5, 2009 at 10:51 PM
That has got to be some kind of a joke. I guess I will really believe it when I see it happen at a function. That’s crazy.
Cindy Munford on February 5, 2009 at 10:53 PM
progressoverpeace on February 5, 2009 at 10:48 PM
Carol Liebau who worked with him at HLR said that by that time it was largely a popularity contest and not based on merit. She also said he did very little while there, like the bare minimum of work.
goat on February 5, 2009 at 10:53 PM
Two questions:
1) Why is he giving thisw spiel to Democrats’ retreat but not include any Republicans in it, if he is so post-partisan?
2) Does he have a teleprompter?
promachus on February 5, 2009 at 10:54 PM
“What bill has ever left without pork in it?”
ummmm… well, you were supposed to fix all that, right Mr. Lightbringer? But now it’s, “well, all bills are laden with pork. Who cares? Pass it anyway!”
Here’s a clue, Jughead- no bill in the history of the planet has been stuffed with this much useless pork. No American approves of pork laden bills and never has. The difference now is that there is far too much stuffed into this sack of s**t for even your media fanclub to ignore all of it or make excuses for.
What are the odds that Prez’nit Erkel will accidentally nuke D.C. in the next day or so? He’s screwed up everything else so far. Then we could start over again and go back to actually following the Constitution.
Somebody please explain to me how it is that ANYONE voted for this incompetent, naive, terrorist-loving criminal? Really, has our civilization truly deevolved that far that we have to put up with this jackass?
Damiano on February 5, 2009 at 10:54 PM
LOL…I remember that’s the way he looked after Sarah Palin came on the scene. Pacing back and forth on the stage in his shirt sleeves with that petulant scowl on his face.
ddrintn on February 5, 2009 at 10:58 PM
My staff is worn out. Oh, your poor misued precious darlings! What were you thinking when you entered the White House?
promachus on February 5, 2009 at 10:58 PM
No joke. Newsbusters reported it also.
IrishEi on February 5, 2009 at 10:59 PM
+100
promachus on February 5, 2009 at 11:00 PM
Obama seems like the kind of person that wants to be liked by everyone and then lashes out when he’s rejected while running back to his clique. It would not surprise me at this point that after actually having to govern for four years he won’t want to run in ‘12 but just ride off into the sunset to get rich making speeches and writing books about nothing.
goat on February 5, 2009 at 11:00 PM
Yes. The teleprompter screens show up in the video.
I realized pretty quickly had to be using a teleprompter. It’s been proven he can’t speak like that off the cuff.
backwoods conservative on February 5, 2009 at 11:02 PM
Goat, By 2012, we’ll be dead or hiding in nuclear bunkers.
promachus on February 5, 2009 at 11:02 PM
Oh, dear Lord! That’s just not going to work. It can’t be widely known. I am looking forward to the first public roll out.
Cindy Munford on February 5, 2009 at 11:09 PM
By the way, I don’t think he’ll last till 2012. At this rate, he’ll have total nervous breakdown within another two months.
promachus on February 5, 2009 at 11:09 PM
He went off *prompter*
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/18482.html
and I think his prepared remarks or a summary of what he was planning to say are @ FOX’s site
http://www.foxnews.com/urgent_queue/index.html#387c6bea,2009-02-05
tehd on February 5, 2009 at 11:11 PM
promachus on February 5, 2009 at 11:02 PM
I don’t think I’ll go that far yet but like Biden said Obama is going to be pushed and hard. Will he fall down and cry or will he stand up and fight? We don’t know and that is what is scary.
goat on February 5, 2009 at 11:12 PM
Will we be able to tell the difference? ;)
ddrintn on February 5, 2009 at 11:13 PM
“We can nit, we can pick.” I suppose this is that famous East Coast College town slanguage.
promachus on February 5, 2009 at 11:15 PM
backwoods conservative on February 5, 2009 at 11:02 PM
He only uhms and ahs when asked tough questions he can’t answer, it doesn’t happen when he gets softballs or is ripping conservatives off the cuff.
goat on February 5, 2009 at 11:16 PM
Reid wants a Sunday vote.
Weight of Glory on February 5, 2009 at 11:17 PM
Could the dems really muster enough votes to pass this?
Dollayo on February 5, 2009 at 11:19 PM
I can say one thing, Obama is a uniter, he has brought the GOP coalition back together in force on all fronts, social, economic and security with his nutty EOs and this porkapalooza.
goat on February 5, 2009 at 11:21 PM
Friday is the day that democrats historically sneak all sorts of crapt through. Expect this Friday to be no different.
DannoJyd on February 5, 2009 at 11:24 PM
Even the rats are jumping this ship.
thmcbb on February 5, 2009 at 11:24 PM
Weight of Glory on February 5, 2009 at 11:17 PM
Good grief, he needs 60 votes to move it and they don’t have them and I don’t see it getting any better after Obama’s uber-partisan hissy fit tonight.
goat on February 5, 2009 at 11:24 PM
I have two thoughts.
1. He wants it over before Rush comes back.
2. Dumb move because a lot of people might get to watch debate on TV and be appalled.
INC on February 5, 2009 at 11:26 PM
The end of that Politico link had this:
INC on February 5, 2009 at 11:27 PM
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