Obama said what?
posted at 12:15 pm on February 5, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Jim Geraghty reports on Barack Obama’s statement on the sanctity of human life during today’s National Prayer Breakfast:
“We know there is no God who condones the killing of an innocent human being.”
Well, great! Perhaps then President Obama would also agree that we know no God who condones the negligent killing of innocent human beings who survive abortions. Of course, Obama would have to acknowledge now that his position has changed since his days in the Illinois state legislature, when he helped protect abortionists by blocking legislation that would have required a second doctor to act on behalf of infants born alive after an abortion. God knows that those children were and are innocents, alive at birth, and left to die in abortion mills.
Perhaps that will also lead Obama to oppose the Freedom of Choice Act, which would remove all existing restrictions on the killing of innocent human beings in the womb. After all, once the sperm and egg combine, the result is a unique being, completely human, and alive. That isn’t a theological determination, but a scientific fact at the moment the cell begins to multiply, within minutes of conception. Certainly that would be the apex of innocence. If no God condones the killing of an innocent human being, the condemnation for that act would begin at life itself.
We will remind Presisdent Obama of his profound words at every opportunity over the next four years, and thank him for making this as clear as possible.
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I hear income tax is also unconstitutional. You shouldn’t pay it. There is nothing they can do if you don’t.
tommylotto on February 5, 2009 at 5:52 PM
Why let intellectual consistency be a barrier to your patchwork worldview…?
PersonalLiberty on February 5, 2009 at 5:55 PM
Except for the fact that Margaret Sanger’s eugenics (a.k.a. “abortion”) was a Nazi POLICY – then the Nazi “shoe” fits you, justfinethanks.
Branch Rickey on February 5, 2009 at 6:06 PM
Uh, I’m not a liberal. I just don’t like people employing reductio ad Hitlerum or the genetic fallacy. Saying “No, YOU’RE a Nazi” gets us nowhere.
justfinethanks on February 5, 2009 at 6:12 PM
If no God condones the killing of an innocent human being, the condemnation for that act would begin at life itself.
–Do you have any proof for that, Ed?
jim m on February 5, 2009 at 6:13 PM
Let’s not leave out our forefathers — “The only good injun is a dead injun”
My support of infanticide up until the age of 4 was merely a modest proposal. I was just trying to show how absurd taking such a draconian position on this issue (in either direction) looks to reasonable minded persons. Republicans are fading into irrelevancy because they have become the party of country bumpkins and religious fanatics in a time when the country is becoming more urban and more secular. What angers me is that you abortion nutz are scaring away intelligent educated fiscal conservatives who might not drink the abortion is murder kool-aide. Imagine a brilliant candidate with a long and impeccable executive resume of fighting crime, high taxes and government waste. To you such a candidate is completely unacceptable if he has the temerity to believe that life does not begin at conception (or could even understand that persons of good faith could come to different conclusions on the issue). Instead you prefer a candidate in the mold of Cybele the Earth goddess so long as she’d rather give birth to a Downs Syndrome baby rather than have an abortion.
If you are going to killed the Republican party, do you have to take all semblance of fiscal conservatism with you?
tommylotto on February 5, 2009 at 6:16 PM
Who capitalized God? I’m thinking it wasn’t Obama in that speech (would love to see the actual text).
Beyond contradicting his own position on abortion, in saying “no god” he appears to be addressing any god of any group’s imagining. I really don’t think he intended to speak of the one God; the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; the Holy One of Israel. I question if Obama even knows Him.
MochaLite on February 5, 2009 at 6:18 PM
given that you are bleating like a stuck pig, you piece of trash, its very valid.
truth hurts boy.
right4life on February 5, 2009 at 6:24 PM
one of my forefathers WAS a native american…but yeah you would fit right right in with that attitude…first people have to be a certain age…then a certain race…to live and be human…you ARE a NAZI.
modest??? its sick evil and twisted. and anyone who proposes that is sick, evil and twisted.
may God have mercy on your soul.
right4life on February 5, 2009 at 6:27 PM
not done after the trashing i gave you?? typical… morons never know when they’ve had enough…
i never even was posting to you… quit obsessing over me and get a life …maybe hitler can give you one…loser
laughable…crawl back in your little hole and lick your wounds :smirk:
justfinethanks on February 5, 2009 at 6:31 PM
thats a LOT of area to be dirty…
oh I was gonna ask you what kind of horse you have…you know that you could drag me behind…and I figured out it had to be a CLYDESDALE…its the only one that would hold your weight…
right4life on February 5, 2009 at 6:31 PM
still trolling around waiting for me huh? making you look stupid is too easy!!
are you as fat are you stupid??
bet ya stink too
punk.
right4life on February 5, 2009 at 6:32 PM
wow… it’s like a reflex to post about me with you… GET OVER IT. i’ll be sure to lock my doors tonight in case you try to trace my IP address…
wacko
justfinethanks on February 5, 2009 at 6:34 PM
bet you have fantasies about nazis…you know with the uniforms and all…thats why you don’t like your heros being talked bad about…you probably think you’re part of the ‘master race’ but you’re nothing but trash.
they’d put you in the oven…if they could find one large enough…just for being a ‘useless eater’ and man, I bet you eat a LOT!! *smirk*
right4life on February 5, 2009 at 6:35 PM
yeah you better…you know THEY are after you…as long as you keep the tin-foil on you’ll be fine!!
right4life on February 5, 2009 at 6:36 PM
If the only characteristic of humanity were the multiplication of cells, I would agree with this. Of course, I would also have to accept a moral obligation to starve to death, since I couldn’t justify killing innocent animals and vegetables — which qualify as humans by your definition — to survive.
It’s not a scientific fact, or even a scientific question. It’s a question of values and ethics. I agree with your values and ethics that lead you to recognize humanity from the moment of conception. But I think the manner of conception — e.g. by rape or incest — and the consequences of conception — e.g. the death of the mother — complicate the ethical question of abortion beyond the government’s ability (or right) to legislate.
RightOFLeft on February 5, 2009 at 6:37 PM
looks like you’re too slow to play in the league fat boy….no surprise there….
right4life on February 5, 2009 at 6:37 PM
whassa matter ‘honey’ can’t think of anything to say?? or can’t those fat fingers type very fast??
bet ya grunt when you type…pig.
right4life on February 5, 2009 at 6:38 PM
wow…amazing. projecting your hitlergod fantasies onto me too… it’s creepy how much you are thinking about me… just don’t include me in your dirty little fantasies too. *smirk*
justfinethanks on February 5, 2009 at 6:39 PM
thats the best you can do??? Hitler would throw you in the oven for being a retard too!
right4life on February 5, 2009 at 6:40 PM
so fat boy, you’re mind is as limp as the rest of you!! thats why you’re always on the ‘bottom’…*smirk*
right4life on February 5, 2009 at 6:41 PM
i’m flatterd how much you are giving thought to me… but i’m not into that… thanks anyway… keep me out of your pathetic hitler fantasies…
weirdo
justfinethanks on February 5, 2009 at 6:42 PM
didn’t I see you on the deliverance?? squealing like a pig??? yeah thats you, fat bottom boy.
right4life on February 5, 2009 at 6:42 PM
you’re 2 or 3 posts too slow there fatty!! whassa matter fat boy, can’t keep up??
right4life on February 5, 2009 at 6:43 PM
haha… great sorry i caused you to snap… i just don’t know how to deal with precious little weak minds like yours… STOP OBSESSING OVER ME
justfinethanks on February 5, 2009 at 6:45 PM
you know you want my attention there fat boy…you usually have to pay men to pay you any attention!!
right4life on February 5, 2009 at 6:46 PM
and your ‘comebacks’ are as limp as your mind and body!!
loser.
you obviously don’t get paid to think on your feet!
but then I guess it doesn’t take much intellect to clean toilets…
right4life on February 5, 2009 at 6:47 PM
I am starting to feel bad…I shouldn’t pick on the fat retard…
right4life on February 5, 2009 at 6:49 PM
Dude – show me where I called you a liberal? Or mention genetic fallacy. You’re an infanticide supporter – just like Margaret Sanger who’s ideas of infanticide were direct influences on Hitler.
Like I did say; if the shoe fits….
Why do run away from your own position?
Branch Rickey on February 5, 2009 at 6:51 PM
Are you putting yourself into the category of “reasonable minded persons?”
If so, thanks, I needed a good laugh!
Branch Rickey on February 5, 2009 at 6:54 PM
While your writing seems to be nowhere near the quality of Jonathan Swift; you do have an Obama-Ear-Sized ego.
Branch Rickey on February 5, 2009 at 6:56 PM
That gets my vote as the “Pelosi Hyperbole Award of the Day” and the “Michelle Obama Arrogant Twat of the Day Award” as well. Twofer Thursday Tommy.
—–
btw: The Rockerfeller Republicans are the ones destroying the republican party….
Branch Rickey on February 5, 2009 at 7:00 PM
DNA says they are a separate and distinct individual, separate from either their mother or their father.
South Dakota law (as a minor example) establishes their status as humans, but without a commensurate right to life — that right continues to reside with the mother, who is free to either kill her child or let it live. This is a wicked parody of the relationship, from an earlier era of our history, between a slave and its master — who had the right of life or death with respect to his or her property.
We talk about “a baby in the belly”, or “having a child”, and even California state law defines a fetus as human for prosecutorial purposes in the event of its death at the hands of another who is not the mother or her abortionist.
Those who support abortion must continually twist logic about to keep their cherished act legal.
unclesmrgol on February 5, 2009 at 7:32 PM
That’s funny, there sure do seem to be a lot of wrong answers.
Negroes are not human (slavery)
Jews are not human (holocaust)
Deformed children are not human (pagan infanticide)
Downs syndrome children are not human (infanticide and pre-emptive abortion)
Inferior races are not human (Nazism)
and your favorite, unborn children and children under the age of four are not human (abortion and presumably infanticide)
I don’t know what’s wrong with you and don’t much care, but babies in the womb are unquestionably alive, and if they’re not human, what exactly are they?
Science has at least determined that unborn babies respond to their mother’s voice, and can learn to respond to their father’s voice, once they learn to recognize it.
We all know that the justification for killing groups of people has been to declare them not quite human. Sure seems to hold true for abortion. Abortion pushers go out of their way to say it’s just a lump or a growth or a tumor.
Pretending that groups of people are somehow not human has been the excuse for a lot of murder and mistreatment through history.
That was a contemptible statement. I only hope it was not meant literally.
tom on February 5, 2009 at 7:34 PM
So the party has gotten its hat handed to it in the last two election cycles. Is it because the Republicans forgot they were the right-to-life party? Nope, every candidate dutifully tows the line and any voter whole doesn’t believe in life at conception is called a murderer. Nice.
Meanwhile, those same right-to-life Republicans spent in Washington like drunk sailors on leave (with apologies to drunk sailors). Polling data supports my hypothesis that Americans want small government and low taxes. Polling data does not support you on the life at conception issue.
You can believe whatever crackpot idea you want, but if it is going to be the driving issue of a national party it needs to be an issue that a majority supports. Life at conception is not an issue that a majority supports (only a fringe minority hold that extreme view). It never will. ergo, you abortion nutz are killing the party. Stop. We cannot afford the Democrats.
tommylotto on February 5, 2009 at 7:46 PM
Yeah, kinda figured you might be trying to make a hyperbolic point somewhere.
So what good is it to elect a fiscal conservative who is perfectly willing to kill people who get in the way? Because that is exactly the reason the unborn are killed: they are in the way.
You people who whine about the Republican party being controlled by “country bumpkins and religious fanatics” need to smell the coffee: those undesirables are your allies in getting the fiscal conservatism you want. Without them, we would already have socialism in this country at the level of France or Sweden, if not fascism at the level of Italy in the 30’s.
You may have abandoned the hyperbole of infanticide under the age of four, but you’ve just as loudly advertised that you’d rather have millions of babies killed than lose your fiscal conservatism. So your “modest proposal” is not quite as much a stretch as you may have thought.
tom on February 5, 2009 at 7:49 PM
In short: After conception if nothing is ACTIVELY done
to prevent the further development of that human being
(miscarriage-act of God), (abortion-act of man), that
human being will always be a human being.
Birth is just a continuation of that human’s life.
mollymack on February 5, 2009 at 7:51 PM
tommylotto on February 5, 2009 at 7:46 PM
OK, so let’s start with the above story from the Buffalo News.
Any disagreements as to the humanity of the aborted fetus depicted in this story?
Those of us who think conception (when haploid gametes have combined to become a diploid cell) is that point have quite a bit of science on our side — the DNA argument comes to mind immediately. Obviously, tommylotto doesn’t think one cell makes a human.
So let’s begin moving back through the development process to find the exact point that tommylotto thinks fetal/embryonic humanity begins, and hence a legitimately defensible conservative position as to a human right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happyness can be asserted.
Ready, tommy? If so, answer yes or no to the following: Was a fetus who managed to take at least one breath before being killed a human?
unclesmrgol on February 5, 2009 at 8:05 PM
A government which allows it’s own citizens to “terminate” others will not be able to afford to continue ergo no population.
TommyWhore – there is more to life {pun intended} then money….
Branch Rickey on February 5, 2009 at 8:10 PM
Okay,
I will put it in language that you can understand. In Roe v. Wade, the court found a constitutional right to have an abortion. I think that is nonsense judicial activism, but lets put the boot on the other foot. Imagine if the SCOTUS had announced that life began at conception and abortion at any point in time is an unconstitutional depravation of life without due process. GIVEN THE CURRENT PUBLIC OPINIONS CONCERNING ABORTION, the pro-Choicers currently have enough political support to pass a constitutional amendment for situations of rape and incest and probably the welfare of the mother during the first trimester. Could the pro-lifers get an constitutional amendment passed? Not on your life. That is the 8 ball that the right to lifers have put the party behind.
tommylotto on February 5, 2009 at 8:18 PM
I’m quite happy to take the label “pro-abortion” if the “pro-choice” morons want to give it to me. Seriously, if you ever need to refute the claim that no one is “pro-abortion”, by all means cite me!
thuja on February 5, 2009 at 8:33 PM
Ed, if every combined DNA fetal cell is a “human being” (and not just the potential, when “viable”), and if most abortions are “spontaneous”, then God, by your logic, is the greatest baby murderer in history.
An inscrutable, but unavoidable assessment.
Until the brain develops, the fetus is a tendency toward a human being, but to cal it “murder” to end even a non-viable pregnancy (perhaps one that threatens the mother’s life, or has no chance of an individual life at birth, being so microencephallic/deformed, etc.) seems dogmatically sterile and simplistically unscientific.
If it is “murder”, then killing abortionists would be a wonderful “defense of the innocent”.
And kidnapping expectant mothers to prevent such a “murder” would be “morally” justifiable.
And police confiscation and guarding of all frozen embryos would be “righteous”.
No?
Obama, meanwhile, is just a liar, a fool and a schmuck.
profitsbeard on February 5, 2009 at 8:37 PM
The biggest reason I think the world would be better without Christianity and Islam is this Greek idea of Hell. Judaism doesn’t have an idea of Hell. People who are looking for a religion without a Hell should consider converting to Judaism.
Give me that old time religion!
thuja on February 5, 2009 at 8:38 PM
Loser,
Let me put in it in language you can understand. SCOTUS found a right to “privacy” not a right to abortion (otherwise there would be no restrictions that would pass SCOTUS muster – partial-birth upheld, etc.).
So, the abolitionists should have just quit and let the slave states leave the union and continue slavery in those states because it was the CURRENT PUBLIC OPINION MAJORITY IN THOSE STATES? How about Jim Crow laws? DOH!
Did you know George Orwell personally or are just as dumb as you come across in your posts? You are a loser if you don’t even have the decency to look at the science of life and come to conclusion that political polls are a snapshot of time and not human policy.
Tommy-didn’t-quite-hit-the-intelligence-lotto is my new name for you. Well that and loser.
-BR
Branch Rickey on February 5, 2009 at 8:41 PM
If you’re advocating the killing of inconvenient babies before they’re even born, then I can see why the subject of Hell would be a bit uncomfortable.
tom on February 5, 2009 at 8:42 PM
+1 !!!!
Branch Rickey on February 5, 2009 at 8:45 PM
“Obama said what?”
I suggest you make this a regular feature like the Quote of the Day.
PackerBronco on February 5, 2009 at 8:55 PM
Go for it, boys. You’ll feel better about yourselves, you know it.
Jaibones on February 5, 2009 at 9:05 PM
Then at conception a unborn baby is a innocent human being. Strange because that is not what you kept preaching to the bots that worship you. Now practice what you just preached…or is it a spare of the moment phrase to make you look good?
sheebe on February 5, 2009 at 9:24 PM
I keep waiting to hear him ask what he said yesterday about an issue, so he can be consistant with the lie he gives about it today.
RalphyBoy on February 5, 2009 at 10:53 PM
Jevette, you said everything I would have said and more to that Noneya. I could see her standing in an office and crushing the skull of a baby or sucking it out or whatever hideous thing they do to kill babies. The libs call this a choice but now they don’t want to give us a choice in whats on the radio. They don’t want to give us a choice on what schools to go to. Pretty soon they will have laws that will imprison us for critizing the Great one. The liberals actually have a wrong name, they should be called the Regressives.
garydt on February 5, 2009 at 11:08 PM
When B. O. speaks something always stinks. That stink IS Obama.
B.O.: Just another cheap ChiTcago politician.
DannoJyd on February 5, 2009 at 11:16 PM
Are you serious? This furthers my point that many folks are grossly ignorant of the Constitution.
There’s a nasty little 16th Amendment that was ratified in 1913 that gives Congress the power to tax most anything, including income tax.
nelsonknows on February 5, 2009 at 11:18 PM
The semantic gymnastics required by pro-abortionists shows how wrong they are….they know it. They just can’t admit it.
It unravels their entire worldview of them being at the center of the universe.
A wise man once told me there are only two things you need to know about a higher power:
1. there is one; and
2. you aren’t it.
Let’s roll.
ex-Democrat on February 6, 2009 at 12:22 AM
+1
ex-Democrat on February 6, 2009 at 12:23 AM
Of course it is a human. Sad story. They’ll be more of those in our future I’m afraid.
hawkdriver on February 6, 2009 at 2:37 AM
The Dems realize you need to be distracted from reality, uhhhh, how about some perky porn!
Mr. Joe on February 6, 2009 at 2:55 AM
The first breath is certainly a logical line of demarcation between potential human being and human being, but not the only. It may be conception, or when it could survive outside the womb if extracted. Or it could be when the infant learns to walk, or talk, or form memories, or do integral calculus. The point is that there are no right answers written in stone. We have to figure out what is moral according to our cultural values, and you need to come to grips with the fact that the vast majority of American disagree with you and do not think that a zygote is a human being. So, please do not make life at conception the organizing principle for your voting habits. You will push away the more educated and sophisticated fiscal conservatives from the party. Those believing in small government, low taxes and personal freedom for all human beings will be fractured and the socialist will take over. EXHIBIT A = Washington DC 2009.
tommylotto on February 6, 2009 at 10:01 AM
who cares? good riddance. and why is being for the murder of babies educated? sounds barbaric to me.
newsflash: the socialists have already taken over. you had your guy, mclame.
yeah actually there are.
so if they vote to kill jews…as the germans did by electing hitler…its fine with you.
you’re a nazi. evil and vile.
right4life on February 6, 2009 at 10:22 AM
We (or, at least, I) am not talking about polling issues. At one point during the history of the United States, slavery was considered a natural situation — and slavers and owners had all sorts of arguments as to why slavery was natural law, including the “they cannot fend for themselves” argument.
But what I am doing is trying to figure out when you personally think a fetus/embryo/whatever becomes human. Or does that matter — could it be that you would allow one human to have the power of life and death over another? If so, then there’s not a conservative bone in your body, because conservatism dictates that we try to maximize the rights of every human.
Ok, we have that you think that a breath may make a difference. Now let’s move back a few seconds. How about the moment just prior to that breath? Tommy, can a fetus which has not yet taken a breath be classified as human?
Like, say, this one?
unclesmrgol on February 6, 2009 at 10:47 AM
You are Hamas Green Helmet Guy, congrats!
tommylotto on February 6, 2009 at 11:20 AM
Actually McCain is staunchly pro-life, so was Palin (obviously). You guys got your candidate instead of a fiscal conservative. The party selected a compromise candidate to keep you guys happy. That is why we got Obama. Thanks alot.
And there you go with your Nazi argument. I disagree with you. Therefore, I (and a vast majority of your fellow Americans) are Nazis. Nice.
tommylotto on February 6, 2009 at 11:25 AM
newsflash: mccain was a fiscal conservative. bush wasn’t, and he won…and they were both pro-life…
why don’t you go found your own little party of death..oh you already have that in the democRATs…
yeah well if the jack-boots fit..wear em…
right4life on February 6, 2009 at 11:27 AM
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