Graham goes nuclear on Obama over stimulus: “Scaring people is not leadership”; Update: Stimulus worse than doing nothing, says CBO; Update: Or does it?

posted at 2:35 pm on February 5, 2009 by Allahpundit

In my three years of blogging at HA, this may be the first time I’ve seen the boss and Grahamnesty on exactly the same wavelength. Credit where credit is due: I thought he and McCain would be a collective rubber stamp for The One on all things “bipartisan” but they’ve both come out hard against this boondoggle. And then some: This is as close to bareknuckle as you’ll ever see from this guy, especially the shots at Obama’s leadership. I figured the GOP would keep triangulating between Obama and Pelosi, blaming the Democrats while staying well clear of attacking our new Messiah, but it looks like the bill is now sufficiently toxic that they think they can use it to score some points on him, too. Sweet.

Reid says they’ve got the votes. And, per MM, it sounds like he’s right:

Republican Senator Susan Collins of Maine said Obama, in a meeting with her on Wednesday, had persuaded her that the ultimate bill should be “in the neighborhood of $800 billion.”

“The president did convince me,” she said, adding that she believed the two sides would reach a compromise on the Senate stimulus package on Thursday.

Update: Via Instapundit, turns out The One is right to be afraid. Just not for the reason he thinks.

CBO, the official scorekeepers for legislation, said the House and Senate bills will help in the short term but result in so much government debt that within a few years they would crowd out private investment, actually leading to a lower Gross Domestic Product over the next 10 years than if the government had done nothing…

CBOs basic assumption is that, in the long run, each dollar of additional debt crowds out about a third of a dollars worth of private domestic capital, CBO said in its letter.

CBO said there is no crowding out in the short term, so the plan would succeed in boosting growth in 2009 and 2010.

Update: One of our three lefty readers e-mails to say that the Wash Times misread the CBO letter to Gregg and that there actually will be net growth. The key passage from the story is this:

CBO estimates that by 2019 the Senate legislation would reduce GDP by 0.1 percent to 0.3 percent on net

The agency projected the Senate bill would produce between 1.4 percent and 4.1 percent higher growth in 2009 than if there was no action. For 2010, the plan would boost growth by 1.2 percent to 3.6 percent.

The confusion lies in the term “on net.” Does that refer to the entire period from 2009 to 2019 or the period not including 2009 and 2010, since specific growth numbers for those two years are provided? If the former, then the Times is right and CBO is claiming that the loss in GDP from 2011 to 2019 will wipe out any growth over the next two years for a net loss. If the latter, then the Times is way off. Simple math, per the guy who e-mailed me:

2009: 1.4 to 4.1
2010: 1.2 to 3.6
2011-2019: -0.1 to -0.3

Worst Case 2009-2019: 1.4 + 1.2 – 0.3 = 2.3% positive total effect
Best Case 2009-2019: 4.1 + 3.6 – 0.1 = 7.7% positive total effect

I’m trying to find a copy of the CBO letter to resolve the discrepancy but the site is down right now. Can anyone help?

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+1 for Graham. Of course, he’ll need several hundred of these to reach zero, but it’s a start.

Vashta.Nerada on February 5, 2009 at 2:37 PM

I hate to be a pessimist, but just when you think these GOPs got a pair, they effectively neuter themselves later.
We still need to get rid of all of them.
The fact that they never stood up to denounce this stuff as much before is reason enough to still can their a$$e$.

Badger40 on February 5, 2009 at 2:39 PM

Yeah, I saw that. Much as I dislike Lindsey Graham, I did enjoy hearing him slap Barry around a little…too bad Lindsey wants to spend big$$$ buying up mortgages.

anniekc on February 5, 2009 at 2:40 PM

Graham goes nuclear on Obama over stimulus: “Scaring people is not leadership”

Graham’s clearly reacting to his constituents but he couldn’t recognize leadership even with both hands and a flashlight.

highhopes on February 5, 2009 at 2:40 PM

Could somebody point out where, in the Constitution, it is the job of either the Executive, or the Legislative branch, to “create jobs”?

I know that the Constitution is an irrelevant document and, of course, so are free-market forces … but, I’m just curious.

OhEssYouCowboys on February 5, 2009 at 2:41 PM

he is still a RINO POS, as is McCain, and they’ve done more to harm the party than help; especially with Shamnesty…

Dale in Atlanta on February 5, 2009 at 2:41 PM

anniekc on February 5, 2009 at 2:40 PM

Yeah, it’s not they are actually in support of small/limited government. They simply think the money is going to the wrong places.

So, in the end, its just a question of priorities.

The roman empire moved it’s capital. Why can’t we?

lorien1973 on February 5, 2009 at 2:41 PM

I don’t get this guy. He blows with the wind too much. But I did like the “awol on leadership” comment.

sherry on February 5, 2009 at 2:42 PM

$915 Billion is $1.25 Million a day every day since the birth of Christ.
.
.
Republicans need to stop this PU sandwich.

subbottomfeeder on February 5, 2009 at 2:42 PM

“The president did convince me,” she said

He did huh, what did you get for turning on the nation, a pat on the head and the title of Ogabe’s Favoritest Ever Republican’?

Go ahead and pass it bill then, watch as the nation finally implodes.

Bishop on February 5, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Scare tactics worked with TARP. The american people now see that for what it was: a boondoggle and a big fat giveaway.

They won’t fall for it again.

Whatever happened to “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself”?

Obama thinks his charm is more important than people’s pocketbooks. He is in for a RUDE awakening.

JustTruth101 on February 5, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Slightly off topic-

I am trying to watch Gibbs presser on FOX right now; Does everyone else think he sounds like the biggest idiot ever?! I don’t trust a word that comes out of his mouth! (in between all the “ums” and “errr’s”)

anniekc on February 5, 2009 at 2:44 PM

I was wondering when people would start accusing Obama of fear-mongering. I’m sure it’s not the same people who accused Bush of fear-mongering to pass his national security policies, though.

ballz2wallz on February 5, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Oh, and, for the record, “stimulus” is “newspeak” for “economic Fascism.”

OhEssYouCowboys on February 5, 2009 at 2:45 PM

“Grahamnesty”..I can’t stand that term.

Too many give Graham (and of course McCain) a lot of grief over a whole lotta nothing.

Lindsey Graham deserves better. Case in point, his argument right here.

JetBoy on February 5, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Hard to take Graham seriously when he’s got Barama’s dick in his mouth.

Jaibones on February 5, 2009 at 2:46 PM

anniekc on February 5, 2009 at 2:44 PM

He is completely out of his league, isn’t he? He did well in the campaign when all he had to do was read from talking points and smirk. One year from now, there will be a new face.

sherry on February 5, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Bishop on February 5, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Can airheads like Susan Collins get much more out of touch with Average Americans? If she is the only one voting for the package from the Republican side, she is going to look awfully stupid. Speaking of stupid, Gibbs is spinning like a top right now at the Press Conference.

kingsjester on February 5, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Slightly off topic-

I am trying to watch Gibbs presser on FOX right now; Does everyone else think he sounds like the biggest idiot ever?! I don’t trust a word that comes out of his mouth! (in between all the “ums” and “errr’s”)

anniekc on February 5, 2009 at 2:44 PM

I think he’s great. He’s the new Jocelyn Elders. You can always count on the guy for a classic soundbyte.

As for Sen. Grahamnesty, I still despise the guy, but I agree with him here. And this needs to be the message the GOP sends out. Obama doing 5 sitdown interviews in one afternoon and inviting a few Republicans to the White House for steak and the Super Bowl is not leadership. That’s schmoozing.

Doughboy on February 5, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Sounds like Senator Grahamnesty finally grew a pair…Funny how being out of power will cause him to return to a more conservative bent…

golfer1 on February 5, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Sounds like Senator Grahamnesty finally grew a pair…Funny how being out of power will cause him to return to a more conservative bent…

golfer1 on February 5, 2009 at 2:47 PM

All hope is lost! Now, all we have is change.

SouthernRoots on February 5, 2009 at 2:47 PM

I am trying to watch Gibbs presser on FOX right now; Does everyone else think he sounds like the biggest idiot ever?! I don’t trust a word that comes out of his mouth! (in between all the “ums” and “errr’s”)

anniekc on February 5, 2009 at 2:44 PM

nope. the biggest idiot is a collective (mmm, how appropriate) title, reserved for those the voted for Comrade O.

Onager on February 5, 2009 at 2:48 PM

Good Job Graham.

Praise Repubs when they do good, punish them when they do bad. It looks like some of the RINO heard my be coming around. Do you think they might have learned something from ’06 & ’08?

portlandon on February 5, 2009 at 2:48 PM

Second look at Grahamnesty!

Nah. But kudos to him for taking the POTUS to the woodshed.

IrishEi on February 5, 2009 at 2:49 PM

Credit where credit is due: I thought he and McCain would be a collective rubber stamp for The One on all things “bipartisan” but they’ve both come out hard against this boondoggle.

I have COMPLETE confidence that your initial instinct will prove to be 100% accurate before this is all over and done with AP.

Hope and Change indeed!

Talon on February 5, 2009 at 2:49 PM

golfer1 on February 5, 2009 at 2:47 PM

I know what you mean.

I know what you mean.

Bishop on February 5, 2009 at 2:49 PM

Seems like Rush picked the wrong week to go on vacation.

That’s it, no more vacations for you for the next four years, Mr. Limbaugh. Not if we want to keep this country from going full force into socialism, and doing it on the next two generations’ wallets.

rbj on February 5, 2009 at 2:49 PM

So the largest spending EVER , should be rushed through , when only a small part of it will be spent this year!?

the_nile on February 5, 2009 at 2:50 PM

The POS is gonna pass isn’t it?

jewells45 on February 5, 2009 at 2:50 PM

When did he grow a pair of Malkins?

BacaDog on February 5, 2009 at 2:50 PM

I know what you mean.

I know what you mean.

Bishop on February 5, 2009 at 2:49 PM

Heh.

Heh.

IrishEi on February 5, 2009 at 2:50 PM

I’m as guilty as an the next guy for being rough on Lindsey Graham — hey, I expect alot from my state. And he usually pales in comparison to DeMint and Sanford. But I’ll give him credit when its due: this does stink. “Waste of money”, “broken”, AWOL president, alright Lindsey, tough talk, let’s see ya back it up.

LastRick on February 5, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Reid says they’ve got the votes. And, per MM, it sounds like he’s right:

Not so fast. If they get only one Republican, that makes 59 if all the Democrats go along, since there is only one Senator from Minnesota right now. Senator Ben Nelson (D-NE) is not yet on board, and other “moderate” Democrats might balk at supporting something this huge and porky.

Senator McConnell, time to man the phones!

Steve Z on February 5, 2009 at 2:50 PM

The POS is gonna pass isn’t it?

jewells45 on February 5, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Its passage was never in question.

lorien1973 on February 5, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Were you guys decrying the “politics of fear” back in 2004 when Shrub was campaigning on security (“vote GOP or you are all gonna die!”) and gay marriage (“vote GOP or the sacred institution of marriage will die!”)?

Noneya on February 5, 2009 at 2:51 PM

anniekc on February 5, 2009 at 2:44 PM

He almost makes Scott McCelland look good. Maybe they’re related or went to the same school.

Cindy Munford on February 5, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Were you guys decrying the “politics of fear” back in 2004 when Shrub was campaigning on security (”vote GOP or you are all gonna die!”) and gay marriage (”vote GOP or the sacred institution of marriage will die!”)?

Noneya on February 5, 2009 at 2:51 PM

I don’t remember that…why don’t you post your proof?

this should be good for a few laughs…

right4life on February 5, 2009 at 2:52 PM

All we can hope for is that the Republicans will vote like their brethren in the House.

O/T: Check out the “Obama Said What? thread right now. Kind of funny.

kingsjester on February 5, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Were you guys decrying the “politics of fear” back in 2004 when Shrub was campaigning on security (”vote GOP or you are all gonna die!”) and gay marriage (”vote GOP or the sacred institution of marriage will die!”)?

Noneya on February 5, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Yep. But it’s true. Just wait and see.

IrishEi on February 5, 2009 at 2:53 PM

Not so fast. If they get only one Republican, that makes 59 if all the Democrats go along, since there is only one Senator from Minnesota right now. Senator Ben Nelson (D-NE) is not yet on board, and other “moderate” Democrats might balk at supporting something this huge and porky.

Senator McConnell, time to man the phones!

Steve Z on February 5, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Dem Jim Webb of VA is also questionable. He’s a loose cannon.

Wethal on February 5, 2009 at 2:54 PM

Steve Z on February 5, 2009 at 2:50 PM

I thought there were a few who weren’t on board. Is that guy from Montana going to vote for this? If we call those who are not our senators will they care?

Cindy Munford on February 5, 2009 at 2:54 PM

Slapping Obama is good but better please filibuster the damn bill. That’s true leadership.

promachus on February 5, 2009 at 2:55 PM

If the great “O” Dumbo convinced Collins how much will she get to pocket? More frozen $100.00 steaks or free tickets to “O” Dumbos corrination to replacing “Jesus” as the one way to heaven? ” BY ALLAH!

Rick007 on February 5, 2009 at 2:55 PM

Offtopic:
[quote]A Senate committee today abruptly canceled a session to consider President Obama’s nomination of Rep. Hilda Solis to be labor secretary in the wake of a report saying that her husband yesterday paid about $6,400 to settle tax liens against his business — liens that had been outstanding for as long as 16 years.[/quote]
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/02/05/solis_senate_session_canceled.html?hpid=topnews

strictnein on February 5, 2009 at 2:55 PM

2004 when Shrub was campaigning on security (”vote GOP or you are all gonna die!”)

Noneya on February 5, 2009 at 2:51 PM

I must have missed that campaign slogan. I just remember him pointing out the policies of Kerry, and how they would make us less safe. Which was all true. And if i remember correctly the only ones hiding in bathtubs, and who were complaining about being scared were the left.

MDWNJ on February 5, 2009 at 2:56 PM

The Congressional Budget Office says that the stimulus plan will harm the economy, WashTimes reports.

amerpundit on February 5, 2009 at 2:57 PM

This is not the Lindsey Graham I thought I knew.

Performance-enhancing drugs?

califcon on February 5, 2009 at 2:57 PM

Oops.. big fail on the quote attempt.

strictnein on February 5, 2009 at 2:57 PM

Noneya on February 5, 2009 at 2:51 PM

And I believe Obama promised an end to politics of fear. You know, before he took to the papers to scare people into supporting the legislation.

amerpundit on February 5, 2009 at 2:58 PM

Why does Susan Collins even call herself a Republican?

CP on February 5, 2009 at 2:59 PM

I thought he and McCain would be a collective rubber stamp for The One on all things “bipartisan” but they’ve both come out hard against this boondoggle.

Why? During the campaign, the only other Republican that really went after now President Obama besides Gov. Palin was Sen. Graham.

terryannonline on February 5, 2009 at 2:59 PM

Noneya on February 5, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Got a HA link? I didn’t think so.

a capella on February 5, 2009 at 2:59 PM

Obama: Let’s shut this guy up. Have we got any third-world ambassador jobs open?

whitetop on February 5, 2009 at 2:59 PM

And if i remember correctly the only ones hiding in bathtubs, and who were complaining about being scared were the left.
MDWNJ on February 5, 2009 at 2:56 PM

And the only senator to run home and hide after 911 was Senator Dayton (D-MN).

Yeah, he was from Minnesota…..go ahead everyone, pile on again.

Bishop on February 5, 2009 at 2:59 PM

A Senate committee today abruptly canceled a session to consider President Obama’s nomination of Rep. Hilda Solis to be labor secretary in the wake of a report saying that her husband yesterday paid about $6,400 to settle tax liens against his business — liens that had been outstanding for as long as 16 years.[/quote]

All these tax cheats are taking their toll on the administration. One tax cheat is deplorable but it seems like every single Democrat nominated for the cabinet is guilty of never paying taxes. I thought Biden lectured us that it was patriotic to pay taxes. I guess Democrat politicians aren’t patriots.

highhopes on February 5, 2009 at 3:00 PM

Which way is Grahamn leaning?

Which way is the Wind Blowing?

PappaMac on February 5, 2009 at 3:01 PM

This must be the Evil Lindsey Grahamnesty from a parallel dimension… but w/o the goatee…

phreshone on February 5, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Yeah, he was from Minnesota…..go ahead everyone, pile on again.

Bishop on February 5, 2009 at 2:59 PM

Why? Once the lizard people take over, I’m sure things will be much better. :-0

highhopes on February 5, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Who are the 16 Senators behind closed doors?

Sounds like it’s time for some target practice.

smartsy on February 5, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Is he talking about cheney yesterday?

getalife on February 5, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Perhaps he shoved that pole up his… like everyone told him to, and now its serving as a spine

phreshone on February 5, 2009 at 3:02 PM

O/T: Check out the “Obama Said What? thread right now. Kind of funny.

kingsjester on February 5, 2009 at 2:52 PM

You’re right, it’s quite amusing.

jewells45 on February 5, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Bishop on February 5, 2009 at 2:59 PM

Can’t pile on, Brother. You may have to deal with Franken. God help Minnesota.

kingsjester on February 5, 2009 at 3:03 PM

And the only senator to run home and hide after 911 was Senator Dayton (D-MN).

Yeah, he was from Minnesota…..go ahead everyone, pile on again.

Bishop on February 5, 2009 at 2:59 PM

Well you guys have nice lakes, and 10,000 of them to boot.

MDWNJ on February 5, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Why? Once the lizard people take over, I’m sure things will be much better. :-0
highhopes on February 5, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Ok, that’s one. Who else? We got Franken up here, Ventura, muslim Ellison, Dayton….don’t be shy.

Bishop on February 5, 2009 at 3:03 PM

promachus on February 5, 2009 at 2:55 PM

I doubt it, although if public support keeps falling, McConnell might rethink. There isn’t gonna be much time,…the donks want to ram this through STAT before polls go lower.

a capella on February 5, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Perhaps he shoved that pole up his… like everyone told him to, and now its serving as a spine

ROFLMAO. Good one.

jewells45 on February 5, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Pile-on….

Jesse the Body…
Jesse the Body…
Jesse the Body…
Jesse the Body…
Jesse the Body…

enough???

phreshone on February 5, 2009 at 3:04 PM

I have no use for Miss Lindsey Graham.

Hilts on February 5, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Bishop on February 5, 2009 at 3:03 PM

But you’ll always have the biggest shrine to Capitalism in the United States – The Mall of America.

sherry on February 5, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Great Leader needs to create panic. He is..in himself, the dems/libs/lefties. I think they are scared shiitless that people will dissect the bill and find all the hidden crap, like basically reinstating welfare..useless social engineering projects..indocterinating education programs, etc, and there is nowhere to point the finger but to themselves.

I really think that they were totally drunk on their own bullshit and thought there would be zero scrutiny of it, and once passed and implemented, and the destruction of the capitalist system was in full bloom, the replacement system, created in their own image, would be built and the shell game of excuses and finger pointing to assuage any dissatisfaction among the masses would be easy……”No turning back now, we have to push forward and forget the ways of the past”
I’d like to think that people will stand firm and their chickens come home to roost and crap all over them.

Over the top?..maybe, but only a little if at all.

Itchee Dryback on February 5, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Were you guys decrying the “politics of fear” back in 2004 when Shrub was campaigning on security (”vote GOP or you are all gonna die!”) and gay marriage (”vote GOP or the sacred institution of marriage will die!”)?

Noneya on February 5, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Lol. I think you are ‘misremembering’ the details.

And just because the Left doesn’t take national security seriously doesn’t make it unimportant. That lack of interest on the Democrats part does make them a more dangerous choice for high office, so I guess ‘Shrub’ was right.

Asher on February 5, 2009 at 3:06 PM

Damned Cracker! LOL

sonnyspats1 on February 5, 2009 at 3:06 PM

Ok, that’s one. Who else? We got Franken up here, Ventura, muslim Ellison, Dayton….don’t be shy.

Bishop on February 5, 2009 at 3:03 PM

I cant pile on, cause i come from the state of, Florio,Torricelli, McGreevy, Whitman, Lautenberg,….you get my point.

MDWNJ on February 5, 2009 at 3:06 PM

Boy is McLame trying to make amends with conservatives to save his butt in 2010. It won’t work. But I do appreciate him doing the right thing, which he should do in any case.

Could Sen. Coburn please be minority leader of the senate? McConnell is not the leadership we need.
Coburn has been as passionate as he can be against this ridiculous porkulus.

jencab on February 5, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Is he talking about cheney yesterday?

getalife on February 5, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Is Cheney the President of the United States who promised to end the politics of fear?

amerpundit on February 5, 2009 at 3:08 PM

What alien stole my Senator and can we keep him?

scmommy on February 5, 2009 at 3:09 PM

If Susan Collins votes for this crap bill, I can only assume the whore got something for that vote.

GarandFan on February 5, 2009 at 3:09 PM

“it stinks” “that’s crazy”

On the right track Senator!

forest on February 5, 2009 at 3:10 PM

Losing 500 thousand jobs a month is real.

It will pass.

getalife on February 5, 2009 at 3:12 PM

It will pass.

getalife on February 5, 2009 at 3:12 PM

It probably will. And how do you think it will change your life?

sherry on February 5, 2009 at 3:13 PM

But you’ll always have the biggest shrine to Capitalism in the United States – The Mall of America.
sherry on February 5, 2009 at 3:05 PM

It’s also a shrine for unrestrained youth-gangism. You don’t want to be there on Friday or Saturday night, even armed.

Bishop on February 5, 2009 at 3:13 PM

porkulus is the biggest boondoggle in the history of the world.

tarpon on February 5, 2009 at 3:14 PM

Losing 500 thousand jobs a month is real.
It will pass.
getalife on February 5, 2009 at 3:12 PM

You mean 500 million.

Bishop on February 5, 2009 at 3:14 PM

Graham is whining because the spending isn’t being spent like he wants it spent. There’s no nobility in his posturing. Screw ‘em.

MadisonConservative on February 5, 2009 at 3:15 PM

Losing 500 thousand jobs a month is real.

It will pass.

getalife on February 5, 2009 at 3:12 PM

First of all, don’t you mean 500 million?

Second of all, it probably will pass. And the CBO says it’ll harm the economy. Obama, Reid & Co. will be able to credit for that.

amerpundit on February 5, 2009 at 3:16 PM

Losing 500 thousand jobs a month is real.

It will pass.

getalife on February 5, 2009 at 3:12 PM

What do you mean that comment? Losing 500 thousand jobs “is real.” It’s real compared to what? Who’s claiming that losing jobs isn’t real?

terryannonline on February 5, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Is it confirmed what MM posted, that they’re fast-tracking this in order to leave for a junket to Munich? If so, I hope they get a vat of really bad beer.

rivlax on February 5, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Hopefully the CBO report will be the KO punch.

forest on February 5, 2009 at 3:17 PM

It’s also a shrine for unrestrained youth-gangism. You don’t want to be there on Friday or Saturday night, even armed.

Bishop on February 5, 2009 at 3:13 PM

Well I have heard of an outstanding community organizer that may need a job in a few years……….

sherry on February 5, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Losing 500 thousand jobs a month is real.

It will pass.

getalife on February 5, 2009 at 3:12 PM

So will borrowing $2 trillion in a single year.

Do you idiots honestly not think that’s going to have repurcussions?

Chuck Schick on February 5, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Once in a while, Graham comes through big time.

Too bad he isn’t more reliable.

notagool on February 5, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Losing 500 thousand jobs a month is real.

It will pass.

getalife on February 5, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Fine. Based on the damage it will do, anyone from a remotely competitive district or state who votes for it will go down in flames in their next election.

Vashta.Nerada on February 5, 2009 at 3:19 PM

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