Obama to execs who take TARP money: Learn how to survive on $500K a year
posted at 1:55 pm on February 4, 2009 by Allahpundit
Read the fine print and you’ll see it’s not quite that simple. The cap only applies to companies that need “exceptional” assistance from TARP and contains an exception for stock options, provided they vest after taxpayers are fully repaid. (Non-exceptional TARP recipients can pay execs whatever they like so long as they disclose the amount.) Still, it’s a populist masterstroke, perfectly timed to bump Daschlepalooza and the cratering polls on the stimulus off the front page. Watch Geithner at the beginning, then skip ahead to 6:15 or so for the meat of Obama’s statement. The question is, will the money saved by limiting compensation exceed the value lost when talented managers decide they’d rather work somewhere else for seven figures? I’m guessing yes, since (a) gainful employment’s hard enough to come by right now that managers might not be as picky as we expect; (b) steering a TARP company back onto its feet will be a sufficiently impressive credential as to guarantee big paydays in the future for any manager who can do it; and (c) if — if — it’s true that government bailouts are the only thing right now standing between the financial system and collapse, then gestures like this aimed at shoring up public support for those bailouts are worth far more than the immediate savings in compensation. If it’s not true, well, then, sky’s the limit!










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TARP is evil. It steals our money.
Punish CEOs to discourage them from using it. I suggest adding a public flogging as well.
Kristopher on February 4, 2009 at 1:58 PM
I know an easier fix.
No Stimulus. No Bailouts. No Money for losers.
Not sure, but I think this will put an end to humongous bonuses and expensive junkets.
fogw on February 4, 2009 at 1:58 PM
Lay on the regulations for company’s that take money from the government. Make these regulations a poison pill so company’s don’t take the money.
WashJeff on February 4, 2009 at 1:59 PM
I will sacrifice myself and volunteer as a guinea pig to see if someone can live on $500,000 per year.
Grafted on February 4, 2009 at 2:00 PM
Sounds like the mandate in public education.
No matter how good you are at your job, you do not deserve more $$. It’s who you know baby!
Mediocrity.
This is how Obama got into power.
Badger40 on February 4, 2009 at 2:00 PM
Good idea.
Badger40 on February 4, 2009 at 2:01 PM
Yeah, I mean, who do these guys think they are? Sports or movie stars or something important like that?
They can damn well live in an 8,000 square foot hovel like the average doctor or lawyer.
flipflop on February 4, 2009 at 2:01 PM
Atlas Shrugged. That’s how it got started, too.
lorien1973 on February 4, 2009 at 2:01 PM
Comrade, comrade. Well done. We will stop these capitalists. Nobody will make over $50,000 until the Dems have 60 Senate seats.
faraway on February 4, 2009 at 2:02 PM
Why not make them live off 200K a yaer. I think 500K is too much. Heck, 50K would be better.
James on February 4, 2009 at 2:02 PM
This gives you an idea of how Obama will ration healthcare.
faraway on February 4, 2009 at 2:02 PM
And to think that bankruptcy would do exactly the same thing, while providing far more impetus to get rid of the people who the dems believe caused the mess in the first place.
But hey, who needs capitalism and free markets when you have a drone base of Americans to tap for bailout money while ignoring the government aholes who helped create the problem.
Who wants to invest in my buggy-whip factory?
Bishop on February 4, 2009 at 2:03 PM
If anyone on this site is for this proposal, please examine your conservative credentials and report back to me.
faraway on February 4, 2009 at 2:03 PM
Don’t F*ck up, and you won’t have to take tax money. That said, the Government LOVES to bail out the Private Sector. They gain more control. Imagine when they get their mits on Healthcare. Rationing, controling who DESERVES care, letting illegals have it, etc etc etc.
marklmail on February 4, 2009 at 2:04 PM
What does a typical Managing Director at Goldman Sachs or Morgan Stanley make… $2-5 million depending on year…
This will work…. not…
phreshone on February 4, 2009 at 2:04 PM
Yeah, where did 500k come from? If they just pulled the number out of their ass, I’d like to know.
lorien1973 on February 4, 2009 at 2:04 PM
Why not tie comp that’s higher than X to some performance metric? This would go a long way toward both the populist goal while making sure the talent needed for the turnaround not only stays but comes aboard.
BillLalor on February 4, 2009 at 2:04 PM
Ok, so it is confirmed: Obama is a full fledged Socialist.
Hey, why not make GOVERNMENT learn to survive on less than $TRILLIONS a year?
Norwegian on February 4, 2009 at 2:04 PM
1: Often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.
2: A tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge.
And they called Bush a Nazi…
We’re screwed!
hawkdriver on February 4, 2009 at 2:04 PM
Does this apply to GM & Chrysler as well?
What about AIG?
These companies received their own bailouts separate from TARP.
izoneguy on February 4, 2009 at 2:05 PM
A question that was asked in October for TARP 1 as well. Still waiting for anyone in favor of TARP 1 to admit their error.
lorien1973 on February 4, 2009 at 2:05 PM
Slippery slope. Obviously we don’t want companies to loot the TARP funds to pay off the execs, but who is Obama to pick a number and apply it to everyone?
Why not apply this to everyone? For example, public universities receive taxpayer funds, yet look at a college like Umass. They have dozens and dozens of profs making $250K plus. That seems excessive to me. Let’s cap all public university salaries at $150K.
Companies will find a loophole to compensate top execs, anyway. This is just populist babble to make libs feel good.
reaganaut on February 4, 2009 at 2:06 PM
Right after this idiotic announcement: The DOW plunges, shedding more Billions from Americans’ wealth.
Thanks Obambi!
Norwegian on February 4, 2009 at 2:06 PM
SOCIALISM ALWAYS WORKS
LimeyGeek on February 4, 2009 at 2:07 PM
I swear I thought Geithner was going to start out with
“Good Morning, Comrade Workers! We’re going to stick it to the capitalistic pigs now…..”
BobMbx on February 4, 2009 at 2:07 PM
DANCE MONKEYS, DANCE!
LimeyGeek on February 4, 2009 at 2:07 PM
At the investment banks, a 3rd associate (MBA w/ 3 years exp) can clear 500k if he/she is in the top 20% of performers
phreshone on February 4, 2009 at 2:07 PM
I hope everyone likes gray uniforms. We bought a bunch from China. And those funny looking worker hats.
American on 4 November 08. Suckas!!!
hawkdriver on February 4, 2009 at 2:07 PM
Also, this only illustrates the problem with national approach to an issue (how much is too much compensation) that can’t be addressed with a national approach. Understand that a lot of these jobs will be centered in a few expensive locations but $500K in Roanoke VA gets you further than it does in NYC suburbs. It’s a bit of a joke to say that number’s enough no matter where you might live.
BillLalor on February 4, 2009 at 2:07 PM
If you’re gonna dance with the devil, the devil’s gonna call the tune.
Seems to me a lot of these business folk helped get us in this mess. Perhaps they should be on the streets and more competent ones slide into their jobs. They get no sympathy from me.
rbj on February 4, 2009 at 2:08 PM
“The question is, will the money saved by limiting compensation exceed the value lost when talented managers decide they’d rather work somewhere else for seven figures?”
I do think this is grandstanding more than anything and they will find a loophole to work around this compensation limit. But I had to laugh at the use of the phrase “talented managers”. Are these the same “talented managers” that ruined their companies to the point that they need to be in the corporate welfare breadline?
LevStrauss on February 4, 2009 at 2:08 PM
“Talented managers”? The “talented managers” who ran their companies into the ground and then went hat-in-hand for billions of taxpayer indebtedness? Who in many cases ran their companies almost down to the center of the earth? Those “talented managers”? The only thing they seem to have had a talent for was enriching themselves and destroying their companies. I wouldn’t hire that kind of “talented manager” to work at a McDonalds.
MB4 on February 4, 2009 at 2:09 PM
YOU’RE STUPID ENOUGH TO VOTE FOR ME, BUT AWESOME ENOUGH TO CARE – BRING ON THE CHANGEY CHANGE!
LimeyGeek on February 4, 2009 at 2:09 PM
They’ll be making the same as the top salespeople on QVC.
Yeah, good luck w/that.
Dubn8tr on February 4, 2009 at 2:09 PM
I’m sure this decision won’t have any unintended consequences……why would it?
Dpet on February 4, 2009 at 2:09 PM
Meh.
When asked about working for the Steinbrenners, Joe Torre said something along the lines of,”…if you take their money, you also take their s***).
I, for one, celebrate the dissuasive effects of CEO comp limits in relation to the golden TARP trough.
Kid from Brooklyn on February 4, 2009 at 2:09 PM
Who will Obama scold next?
Remember, this is the guy whose instincts told him to impose a windfall profits tax on oil companies when they were too successful. They weren’t government-supported, they were simply making money when the rest of us were hurting economically.
Congress is about to pass an emergency stimulus bill so gigantic its tentacles will reach into our lives in ways we don’t even know yet. If someone gets too successful off the stimulus, or if someone is too successful when the government has an interest in health care– what can stop this exact same populist message from taking hold?
MayBee on February 4, 2009 at 2:09 PM
Politically brilliant and a correct push against the last two decades of wall street culture. The cultural move is more important than the actual compensation. Also Allah is quite right, executives have been calling a bluff, people will take these jobs and they’ll like it. When did half a million bucks become a small amount of money?
DeathToMediaHacks on February 4, 2009 at 2:10 PM
This man is just an idiot.
The CEO’s will just become private contractors.
What business experience does this fool have?
Ares on February 4, 2009 at 2:10 PM
*Lib Dems rub hands together, followed by evil cackle*
Yes, my pretties. Today it’s the TARP recipients we control, tomorrow the world.
Also, as I noted at another thread -
The President of NPR (whose salary we pay for) would be better compensated than Wall Street execs under Barry’s plan. Which job would you prefer? The grind of Wall Street, or the easey-peasey life of an NPR exec?
Their broadcasters don’t do too badly either.
Buy Danish on February 4, 2009 at 2:10 PM
The “conservative” arguments were those that were made before the bailout bill was passed. Now that they have federal $, it’s hard to argue with measures requiring them to be responsible with it. Realize it’s a touch, ahem, socialist, but that ship sailed in September.
BillLalor on February 4, 2009 at 2:10 PM
We don’t want companies to use the TARP fund. Period.
We don’t want the damned TARP fund to even exist.
We need to egg Obama on to greater heights of Marxist class envy and get him to add even more ridiculous requirements to this. This is a prime example of a broken clock showing the correct time twice a day.
Kristopher on February 4, 2009 at 2:11 PM
So a bailed out CEO who’s making 500,000 is going to hire a private contractor for ten million a year? Yeah…sorry.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 4, 2009 at 2:11 PM
Better hit those teachers in failing schools too.
Look at the putrid HS grad rates in the urban dumpholes around the nation, how can those teachers and school administrators keep getting salaries and benefits?
Bishop on February 4, 2009 at 2:11 PM
GRANDSTANDING – Giving the MSM something to point to.
marklmail on February 4, 2009 at 2:11 PM
Pelosi Economics 101
Badger40 on February 4, 2009 at 2:11 PM
But will they have to pay tax on it?
Vashta.Nerada on February 4, 2009 at 2:11 PM
If this Communist gets his way, not one iota of incentive to succeed will exist. It is the capitalist engine that has always driven the vehicle that made this country great. You who support a world environment are anathema to the Founding fathers desire and plan. Who would have thought another revolution is about to happen against the liberals,marxists, EU lovers . who would have thought?
MNDavenotPC on February 4, 2009 at 2:11 PM
Bingo.
MB4 on February 4, 2009 at 2:12 PM
Dude-come on! Cut me some slack!
NCLB was a good idea but fails to id the REAL problem-crappy PARENTS.
Crappy teachers result from govt intervention & union strong arming.
Badger40 on February 4, 2009 at 2:12 PM
Yes. Accept the new normal.
lorien1973 on February 4, 2009 at 2:13 PM
I don’t shed any tears for executives who are stealing taxpayer dough. Want your dam* bonuses? get your hands out of my pocket.
To paraphrase a nitwit above, commenters on this thread who support paying executive compensation with taxpayer money should turn in their Conservative cards.
james23 on February 4, 2009 at 2:14 PM
Again, people are missing the big picture. It wasn’t these talented managers that got us into this mess. The talented managers were smart enough to know not to lend money to certain people. However government knew better and wanted to feel good about putting people in houses that they shouldn’t actually have.
GOVERNMENT GOT US INTO THIS MESS, NOT THE CEOS!!!
MobileVideoEngineer on February 4, 2009 at 2:14 PM
What’s next? Cut Manny’s $25 million deal to $500k?
Maybe Warren Buffett and Georgie Soros should forgo their pay and bonuses?
How about Hollywood actors?
faraway on February 4, 2009 at 2:14 PM
Crappy teachers result from govt intervention & union strong arming.
Badger40 on February 4, 2009 at 2:12 PM
The point I was aiming for, didn’t mean to catch you in the crossfire.
Bishop on February 4, 2009 at 2:14 PM
Obama’s Message:
WORK MORE, EARN LESS
aquaviva on February 4, 2009 at 2:15 PM
+1
Vashta.Nerada on February 4, 2009 at 2:15 PM
Another rule: No one will be allowed to make more money than the messiah.
rplat on February 4, 2009 at 2:15 PM
Please tell me the Supreme Court will strike this down as the clearly unconstitutional move it is.
tom on February 4, 2009 at 2:16 PM
They never had a rope around their neck. Well, I’m going to tell them something. When that rope starts to pull tight, they will feel the Devil bite their ass.
Tuco on February 4, 2009 at 2:16 PM
Total freaking populist crap.
A handful of idiots on Wall Street, with the knowing, cheering, and donation taking criminals in Congress (hello Barney, Chris, et al) inflicted a near fatal wound on the economy in general and the banking sector specifically.
Now, these tools are “bailing out” (oh, they are such white knights) the companies they helped kill with OUR money. So, to focus the rage elsewhere, they make moves like this to play for the idiots who just love seeing “rich” folks get their due.
Freaking sad that this country has come to this. News Flash Lemmings: Obama ain’t your savior. The private sector that they are crippling is. Enjoy your prolonged recession you twits.
Sugar Land on February 4, 2009 at 2:16 PM
Good idea, but it’ll never happen – especially for any business that donated funds to His Holiness’ campaign.
Vic on February 4, 2009 at 2:16 PM
Brought to you by the fiscal watchdogs of the nation:
“The House Democratic Caucus spent more than $500,000 in taxpayer money over the past five years for its annual retreats at resorts in Pennsylvania and Virginia. On Thursday, Democrats will head to the Kingsmill Resort and Spa in historic Williamsburg, Va., for the three-day planning powwow. The resort boasts multiple championship golf courses, a full-service spa and six restaurants.”
Bishop on February 4, 2009 at 2:16 PM
Teachers who failed to the point their schools needed to get emergency federal funding earned 18 billion dollars last year in BONUS pay (which is meant to reward good performance)? Wait they didn’t? In fact..nothing of the kind. Right…awesome, well hopefully someone will raise a point that’s actually germane to this issue instead of just randomly firing off anti-teacher/anti-union talking points. I won’t hold my breath.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 4, 2009 at 2:16 PM
Oh, so that’s where that 500,000 went after she misplaced it.
Count to 10 on February 4, 2009 at 2:17 PM
500,000 over 5 years for retreats for a body that’s over 200 people? Versus 18 billion bucks in one year for executives who presided over a global economic collapse? Dude….you are intense. These things are not at all connected.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 4, 2009 at 2:17 PM
So who will take the jobs to run companies?
Yeah, I thought so. The ACORN buddies back from his Chicago days.
Sir Napsalot on February 4, 2009 at 2:18 PM
I hereby dub this comic strip of an administration Rahmulus and Reamus.
Christien on February 4, 2009 at 2:18 PM
Uh…does this include Fannie and Freddie?
As I understand it, this proposal encompasses total compensation, which includes not only salary and bonus, but other perks such as company cars/drivers, use of an airplane, company-paid insurance and retirement plans, club dues, and many other perks that are individual-specific.
We’re talking about folks who may have just taken a $20MM annual paycut.
Exit question: Who funded President Obortions’ campaign? Who cheered wildly at the convention? That’s right….you think they’re cheering now?
BobMbx on February 4, 2009 at 2:18 PM
lol Not bad at all :)
LimeyGeek on February 4, 2009 at 2:19 PM
Would these CEO’s that take federal money be invited to Galt’s Gulch? I would hope not.
Here is a regulation to add. If the company takes federal funds and is unable to pay back the federal goverment, all officers and the Board of Directors personal assets can be confiscated to pay back the debt.
These idiots need to STOP taking our money via the federal goverment.
WashJeff on February 4, 2009 at 2:19 PM
Didn’t all of the executes give up all of their bonuses?
DaveS on February 4, 2009 at 2:20 PM
If you’re thinking, “well, they took government money, so the government should be able to make these rules,” then just remember, the mediahack agrees with you.
That ought to make you re-examine your position.
Now if you really want to take a populist step that even conservatives will salute, cap all compensation for Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd to, say, just their actual congressional salary.
tom on February 4, 2009 at 2:20 PM
The real danger then becomes the exceptions. That is one of the strong points Rynd had–when the law makes everyone guilty, and selective enforcement just another tool for the government to oppress with.
Count to 10 on February 4, 2009 at 2:21 PM
Just send them to Kentucky. They’ll freeze to death in a darkened shed, and then they won’t need any money at all.
Blacksheep on February 4, 2009 at 2:22 PM
This is a horrible idea — a populist, socilalistic fantasy meant only to rally those of us “poor, downtrodden” idiots who don’t know any better. To have a President of the United States make this sort of statement is ridiculous — talk about setting our sights no higher than mediocrity.
D2Boston on February 4, 2009 at 2:22 PM
If you’re a true free market conservative and not a corporatist then you HAVE to agree that Federal government funds = an increase in Federal control. It’s the argument our sides been using against fossil fuel companies who get federal subsidies and then use them to pay lobbysts to fight environmental regulation (why not just use the money and comply, but that’s another matter).
Thats the problem with your side. You claim to be “free market conservatives” but you’re actually corporatist for the most part and the two are not the same.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 4, 2009 at 2:23 PM
Don’t worry, Obama is an equal opportunity wealth destroyer…
He’ll be capping all of our pay soon with higher taxes to pay for all of this followed by astronomical inflation as the cherry to top it all off.
Youngs98 on February 4, 2009 at 2:23 PM
A variant of “I Won, Bitches” at 5:01. Because that worked so well the first time.
Rove Lives!
Kid from Brooklyn on February 4, 2009 at 2:23 PM
I have an idea. Why not suspend the Mark to Market Rule for a while? Then we don’t have to spend any more TARP money, and don’t need to debate the merits of welcoming socialism via government mandated wage levels. Of course, it will take a lawyer a few hours to write up the suspension documents, so it would cost maybe a grand, eh, we probably can’t afford to do that.
Vashta.Nerada on February 4, 2009 at 2:24 PM
Wow, I can’t believe how many people are still being distracted by individual happenings.
Like I said in a post above, the government caused this debacle. If it weren’t for government interfering in the first place, nobody would need any bailouts. If these CEOs are so greedy do you actually think they would make a stupid business decision like lending money to people that they are 95% sure won’t be able to pay the money back?
MobileVideoEngineer on February 4, 2009 at 2:24 PM
Populist masterstroke, my rosy white pucker. This is Marxism. Pure class warfare.
spmat on February 4, 2009 at 2:24 PM
That’s not what he meant. Instead of the CEO being an employee of the company, he would change his status to private contractor (1099 employee), with a $10MM contract to provide management services.
Easy enough to do. And legal, too.
BobMbx on February 4, 2009 at 2:24 PM
That’s rich. Coming as it does from a man who couldn’t afford his house without help from Tony Rezko.
landshark on February 4, 2009 at 2:25 PM
500,000 over 5 years for retreats for a body that’s over 200 people? Versus 18 billion bucks in one year for executives who presided over a global economic collapse? Dude….you are intense. These things are not at all connected.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 4, 2009 at 2:17 PM
You going to pass up $500k if it was offered to you? Didn’t think so. Half a mil here, half a mil there, another half over there, pretty soon it starts to add up and it does, by leaps and bounds.
It isn’t their money, it’s mine and yours, and I don’t like the idea of supposed public servants using my money for a resort-jaunt when there are plenty of no-frills meeting rooms available all over D.C., especially when I’m told that the nation is on the verge of economic collapse.
While I have little sympathy for CEO’s who ran their companies sloppily or allowed them to be co-opted by the government without raising a fuss, being told how to run that business by a political stuffed-suit enjoying his own perks is laughable.
Bishop on February 4, 2009 at 2:25 PM
Bread and circuses for the masses who voted for him. Meanwhile, his policies will destroy what is left of the economy.
rockmom on February 4, 2009 at 2:25 PM
So long as the HOLLYWOOD crowd gets the SAME treatment – COUNT ME IN!! They’re getting some “stimulus” too!
Califemme on February 4, 2009 at 2:26 PM
I’m not squawking about a damn thing except for the POTUS telling execs what they’re allowed to make. That makes him a frapping Fascist.
hawkdriver on February 4, 2009 at 2:26 PM
Don’t worry about me!
I’m not that thin-skinned!
Hey-I work with crappy teachers.
You are pretty on the ball.
Badger40 on February 4, 2009 at 2:26 PM
You have got cause and effect so backward I don’t even know where to start…
Count to 10 on February 4, 2009 at 2:26 PM
I know the gutter and I know the stink of the street
For years I have pressed through this festering heat
All those beauties who towered above me
Those who gave me the smack of their rod
Now I give them the gutter
I give them the judgment of God!
These are the glorious days
Come gather the bloody bouquets!
Now gaze on our goddess of justice
With her shimmering, glimmering blade
As she kisses these traitors she sings them a last serenade
PercyB on February 4, 2009 at 2:27 PM
Didn’t the government force some of these companies to take money even though they didn’t want it?
Notorious GOP on February 4, 2009 at 2:27 PM
I would back that statement as a free market conservative.
– Fight to keep as much as the fruits of your labor.
– Never take money from a government because it will (and should) have strings attached.
WashJeff on February 4, 2009 at 2:27 PM
Wells Fargo, from what I read on HA…
Califemme on February 4, 2009 at 2:28 PM
Just to bring the discussion over from headlines. I knew someone would try and blame the CRA eventually. Its really not poor peoples fault. No really…it’s not.
First, we can agree that the current CRA looks very different from the one signed into law by Jimmy Carter in 1977. Most of my info on the CRA comes from Ben Bernanke’s 2007 paper on the history.
http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/speech/Bernanke20070330a.htm
We can also agree that the loosening of credit standards got us to where we are today. However, is it possible to entirely blame the Community Reinvestment Act? Of course not. Indeed, the changes that activists sought to the CRA would have been impossible had deregulation in the 80s and 90s not given folks a foil to point to and say “wait a minute…those credit standards should apply across the board.” Here’s what Bernanke says
Bernanke then proceeds to explode the lie that unreliable poor people are at fault for the global economic crisis by pointing out that for years the new regulations worked fine, working class communities of color were making a profit, albeit a smaller one, for those banks that had extended credit.
In short, communities were holding up their end of the bargain pretty much through the 90s and I’ll add BEFORE the boom in housing prices that swept the entire market. And here is where it all went bad. The extension of credit to poor communities of color was combined with really hard work on the part of those communities to make themselves credit worthy, at least according to Bernanke in 2007. But the same was NOT the case for the “flipped” house market, for the new home equity market and for the new developments market/gentrification market. No one was “overvaluing” the houses in the communities that the CRA was meant to benefit from because other factors kept property values relatively in line. The overvaluation happened in the suburbs when people thought they could make a quick buck off new credit standards and in the cities where the desire to create new “hot” neighborhoods led to way way way too much development. That’s why in neighborhoods, like where me and my partner live, the value of our home has pretty much stayed steady, there was no boom here and thus there was no bust.
The people who are “to blame” are the people who contributed to and profited from the overvaluation of real estate and who were unwilling to apply the same stringent standards banks had applied to communities of color during the expansions in the CRA act. Please read Bernanke’s piece, it’s illuminating.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 4, 2009 at 2:28 PM
He wants to tax corporations that are too profitable.
He wants to limit compensation of executives that don’t meet his standard of success and take X amount of government funding.
He wants to impose unions on companies that think they can’t afford it.
Next he wants to tackle health care costs.
MayBee on February 4, 2009 at 2:28 PM
I don’t like the idea of Obama making these kinds of decisions. What are his qualifications?
tgillian on February 4, 2009 at 2:29 PM
When did half a million bucks become a small amount of money?
DeathToMediaHacks on February 4, 2009 at 2:10 PM
Right around….this time today:
“500,000 over 5 years for retreats for a body that’s over 200 people?”
DeathToMediaHacks on February 4, 2009 at 2:17 PM
Bishop on February 4, 2009 at 2:29 PM
Um Mr. Hacky Sack, I’m not blaming any poor people. I’m blaming the government.
MobileVideoEngineer on February 4, 2009 at 2:29 PM
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