Cheney warns Obama: Stick with our policies or risk a WMD attack
posted at 4:45 pm on February 4, 2009 by Allahpundit
Mystifying. Never mind that it’s bad form to criticize so soon after leaving office; why would he want to re-burden the pro-Gitmo side with the weight of his unpopularity? We’ve been carrying that load for years. Suddenly we’re free of it and able to engage purely on the merits and here he is dumping it on us again. For what? To make the sort of by-the-numbers pedestrian points that anyone on this side could make just as well?
“When we get people who are more concerned about reading the rights to an Al Qaeda terrorist than they are with protecting the United States against people who are absolutely committed to do anything they can to kill Americans, then I worry,” Cheney said.
Protecting the country’s security is “a tough, mean, dirty, nasty business,” he said. “These are evil people. And we’re not going to win this fight by turning the other cheek.”…
But he said he worried that “instead of sitting down and carefully evaluating the policies,” Obama officials are unwisely following “campaign rhetoric” and preparing to release terrorism suspects or afford them legal protections granted to more conventional defendants in crime cases.
The choice, he alleged, reflects a naive mindset among the new team in Washington: “The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected. Sometimes, that requires us to take actions that generate controversy. I’m not at all sure that that’s what the Obama administration believes.”…
“If you release the hard-core Al Qaeda terrorists that are held at Guantanamo, I think they go back into the business of trying to kill more Americans and mount further mass-casualty attacks,” he said. “If you turn ’em loose and they go kill more Americans, who’s responsible for that?”
Rush, Hannity et al. recycle this argument on radio or TV every day, so Cheney chiming in brings plenty of cost but no real benefit. I hope he’s not planning to make a practice of it. Exit question: Does this mean if we’re attacked by jihadis who were freed during Bush’s term — which isn’t unthinkable — he’ll hold himself responsible?
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maybe he is really worried about it.
rob verdi on February 4, 2009 at 4:49 PM
While Obama is stuffing money down the shorts of his ACORN buddies these murderers will be blowing up our cities.
rplat on February 4, 2009 at 4:49 PM
What he says sounds pretty smart to me. I don’t see what your problem is.
joe_doufu on February 4, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Just like Ghost busters. Force them to release the ghosts and blame them when they destoy the city. I can totally see some people blaming Bush if we are attacked because Obama made us less secure.
nazarioj001 on February 4, 2009 at 4:51 PM
I thought it was patriotic. I mean, it was when Al Gore was doing it.
MDWNJ on February 4, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Hey Dick what good were your “policies” on September 11, 2001?
benny shakar on February 4, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Yeah,I hear you on the criticism front, but honestly, we are at war with people who want to kill us. I don’t blame him for speaking up, as he is doing it for the country.
Plus, it’s different if he speaks up. His voice has more power since he was doing this for the last 8 years.
funsutton on February 4, 2009 at 4:53 PM
Cheney – “Stick with our policies or I’ll shoot you in the face”
LimeyGeek on February 4, 2009 at 4:53 PM
He is a private citizen now, and he is free to say whatever he wants, whenever he wants. If you don’t like it turn the channel.
MikeA on February 4, 2009 at 4:53 PM
I think coming from Cheney, who presumably knew the highest classified information, this brings the credibility of someone who’s been there.
mikeyboss on February 4, 2009 at 4:54 PM
What he says sounds pretty smart to me. I don’t see what your problem is.
joe_doufu on February 4, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Of course Cheney is right. Allah’s point is that it’s easier to argue based purely on the merits, rather than having it as “Dick Cheney’s position”. I like the guy but there’s no arguing he’s a pretty lousy salesman at this point in time.
BuzzCrutcher on February 4, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Hey
DickPresident Clinton what good were your “policies” on September 11, 2001?benny shakar on February 4, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Fixed it for ‘ya, Benny.
kingsjester on February 4, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Friggest thou, and the steed that bore thee hence.
Honestly, do you even think before making such cretinous statements, or are you simply that big a twat?
LimeyGeek on February 4, 2009 at 4:55 PM
funsutton beat me to the point.
mikeyboss on February 4, 2009 at 4:55 PM
His problem with it is obvious:
1) There is nothing new – every point has been made repeatedly for years, and is still being made repeatedly, by pundits on the right (and a few on the left);
2) To make those basically useless points, Cheney violated the basic tenet that you don’t criticize the new administration once you’ve left office … the very point that most conservatives have been slamming Carter/Clinton/Gore on for years. How do we criticize their boorish, unhelpful behavior … and then remain silent when one of ours goes and does the exact same thing?
3) More importantly, if Cheney cares about these issues – he must know his statements aren’t helping. For whatever misguided reasons, a significant majority of Americans don’t like Cheney. So adding his voice to a cause not only doesn’t help – it hurts. A lot.
Which one of the three don’t you get? All of them?
Professor Blather on February 4, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Thinking the same.
the_nile on February 4, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Good enough to BLOW UP THE WTC AMIRITE?!? Yeah!
TROOF!
TheUnrepentantGeek on February 4, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Yeah right . . . I guess Cheney should hold back just like Carter, Clinton, and Gore.
Nail them Dick!
rplat on February 4, 2009 at 4:56 PM
I don’t care much about AP’s sensitivities. I’d trust Dick Cheney with my life and the lives of my family. I wouldn’t trust AP or Obama with taking out the trash.
MikeA on February 4, 2009 at 4:56 PM
LimeyGeek on February 4, 2009 at 4:55 PM
The answers to your questions are no and yes, in that order.
kingsjester on February 4, 2009 at 4:57 PM
The policies he’s referring to obviously were put in place post-9/11, you ignorant, semi-retarded troll.
C’mon. Even by troll standards, this was an impressively stupid comment.
Professor Blather on February 4, 2009 at 4:57 PM
Come on, AP. No need to bash Cheney. He’s just trying to relay the seriousness of the threat that they pose. He’s got way more gravitas to do so than Hannity or Rush.
Incase you didn’t realize, the WOT started AFTER 9/11, not before.
jimmy the notable on February 4, 2009 at 4:57 PM
Hey Dick what good were your “policies” on September 11, 2001?
benny shakar on February 4, 2009 at 4:52 PM
The Republicans’ policies changed as a result of 9/11, dumbshit. The problem with the Democrats is that their policies didn’t change.
BuzzCrutcher on February 4, 2009 at 4:57 PM
was Clinton in charge at that time? news to me…..
Noneya on February 4, 2009 at 4:58 PM
Did you hear that? Transmissions from Uranus.
kirkill on February 4, 2009 at 4:59 PM
He’s not in office anymore. Therefore, his statements do nothing to help himself. Therefore, everything he now says will be taken a little more seriously. That’s why this is more weighty than Rush or Hannity. Just because he’s unpopular doesn’t mean that the people who make decisions think he’s stupid or that they should ignore his advice simply because of his unpopularity.
jimmy the notable on February 4, 2009 at 4:59 PM
I think he is simply using the hatred of the MSM to put a time stamp on this comment. Then, when the attack does come, noboby can argue who was holding the ball, or dropped it, as the case may be.
Vashta.Nerada on February 4, 2009 at 4:59 PM
I suppose we’ll get a chance to find out since President Obama is getting rid of all the Bush/Cheney changes that were put into place to ensure we weren’t attacked again.
I guess President Obama thinks they were so great he’d like to give them another go.
Kind of scary, isn’t it?
JadeNYU on February 4, 2009 at 5:00 PM
maybe Obama is doing something that has him spooked and worried for the nation?
Obama is in way over his head and ears
jp on February 4, 2009 at 5:00 PM
Ex-VPs are allowed to say whatever they want after leaving. It’s the POTUS who is supposed to be circumspect. Billy Jeff and Jimmuh are disgraceful.
Christien on February 4, 2009 at 5:01 PM
Noneya on February 4, 2009 at 4:58 PM
No, Precious, but 8 years of Clinton’s policies led up to it. And Cheney is seeing the same kind of philosophy being put in place right now.
Our new Foreign Policy? “Stop or We’ll Say Stop Again.”
kingsjester on February 4, 2009 at 5:01 PM
1) These points are consistently ignored by the media, and are being rapidly forgotten by the addled masses. Somebody needs to swing punches.
2) Criticism of presidents by former presidents, is considered a breach of etiquette…however, there is no law against it. If you really feel it’s important to criticize, load for bear.
3) Yeah. He ain’t popular. He’s also a guy that doesn’t seem to give a shit what the dumb masses think. Rightly so.
LimeyGeek on February 4, 2009 at 5:01 PM
his policies still were, ever heard of the Gorelick wall for crying out loud?
jp on February 4, 2009 at 5:01 PM
Please tell me you know how stupid your statement was….
LimeyGeek on February 4, 2009 at 5:02 PM
on a related note, the hugely popular “Path to 9/11″ is still not out on DVD after Clinton Bullied/Censored ABC for daring to air such a thing.
It hit where it hurt the most, the Truth
jp on February 4, 2009 at 5:03 PM
I would have so much respect for him if he’d say that.
My thought as well, as he can’t be doing this simply to get back in the spotlight, something that was never kind to him.
Esthier on February 4, 2009 at 5:03 PM
Yes, nevermind that indeed, when we’re talking about our national security and the fates of American citizens. Bad form be damned.
Beo on February 4, 2009 at 5:04 PM
Say whatever you like about Cheney. He’s my guy.
All I can say is that I’m glad I no longer live in NYC.
Good luck to y’all during the next four years.
Cody1991 on February 4, 2009 at 5:04 PM
AP, I think you are wrong about this. Cheney himself has to go on the record about this otherwise it looks like the Bush administration has no problem with Obama’s policies.
Also, politically it is smart because it gives us a quote to use in the future when the leftists will want to say, “Why didn’t you warn us if it was that important.” And do not believe for a second that they are beneath that.
Bill C on February 4, 2009 at 5:04 PM
That’s what I think. Think of him as a father, grandfather and an American who loves his country and doesn’t want some of us to die.
INC on February 4, 2009 at 5:05 PM
Thank god for your service to this country Mr. Cheney. We will miss your wisdom and resolve.
trs on February 4, 2009 at 5:05 PM
Just like his wanting to get rid of concealed carry laws…”they don’t every keep people safe”…so let’s see how long he’s around when the secret service gives up their concealed guns.
Idiot.
kirkill on February 4, 2009 at 5:06 PM
I’m with Cheney.
This untested, unvetted moron IS stupid and dangerous.
No matter what Senator “DiaperBoy” Vitter says, Obama’s numbers are tanking and as for Cheney, after being a punching bag for the Left and the MSM for most of a decade, it’s good to see a serious pushback.
TexasJew on February 4, 2009 at 5:06 PM
Good point. I never saw Cheney as a guy who wanted the spotlight.
INC on February 4, 2009 at 5:06 PM
oh ok, so Clinton was in charge. good to know. because I was under the impression some retard inherited the office on 1/20/01, costing Americans thousands of lives on 9/11 and in Iraq and bankrupting our country (just as Osama wanted).
Noneya on February 4, 2009 at 5:07 PM
These points are not pedestrian, and “proper form” should take a backseat to protecting the nation.
And the difference between Cheney doing this and the kind of sniping backbiting that Gore, Clinton and Carter enjoy doing is obvious: Cheney is correct.
Kensington on February 4, 2009 at 5:07 PM
think of what another Terrorist attack like 9/11 or worse would do to our Economy right now.
jp on February 4, 2009 at 5:07 PM
IIRC, closing GITMO is a done deal, according to Barry. How does Cheney pointing out the obvious possible consequences affect anything?
This is just a curtain call for Cheney to send Dems apoplectic one more time. Good for him.
Christien on February 4, 2009 at 5:07 PM
You can say many things about Cheney, but he does not appear to me to be frivolous. If he speaks, I would advise Americans to listen up.
Notice that Cheney used the same line that Sarah Palin used in her convention speech about the Democrats ‘more concerned about reading them their rights to an al Qaeda terrorist than they are to protecting the American people…’
technopeasant on February 4, 2009 at 5:08 PM
The sad thing is that he is 100% correct.
worlok on February 4, 2009 at 5:08 PM
Who are you talking about here? Cheney? I would have thought the only reason he would want to get rid of CHP laws is because they’re arguably unconstitutional. I would imagine Cheney favors ‘Alaska Carry’ laws.
LimeyGeek on February 4, 2009 at 5:09 PM
All of his policies and CIA appointees still were.
Chuck Schick on February 4, 2009 at 5:09 PM
It had been going on for a good 20+ years before that… we only started fighting back after 9/11.
hindmost on February 4, 2009 at 5:10 PM
Ah. So you truly are that stupid. Thanks for clarifying.
LimeyGeek on February 4, 2009 at 5:10 PM
maybe Cheney should take Obama hunting, man him up some with a little buck shot to the face.
jp on February 4, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Remember when some pundits grotesquely lamented after 9/11 that it was a shame that Clinton never got a chance to shine like Bush did? Maybe Obama just wants his opportunity to shine.
Kensington on February 4, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Don’t feed the trolls.
Beo on February 4, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Exit question: Does this mean if we’re attacked by jihadis who were freed during Bush’s term — which isn’t unthinkable — he’ll hold himself responsible?
Strange logic, AP. Why should Cheney feel responsible for international pressure to release these guys?
If you want these bastards released, then face the consequences. That’s what we are seeing.
Cody1991 on February 4, 2009 at 5:12 PM
Cheney knows his nat’l security stuff. I firmly believe that. Somebody needs to warn this country about our enemies & what bambi is doing to facilitate them.
kelley in virginia on February 4, 2009 at 5:12 PM
Seriously? You’re only harming yourself here.
Also, it’s disenginuous to whine about the cost of the war when Obama’s already spending more than that in just a few short days with the stimulus bills.
Lastly, the word is “elected into” not “inherited”. Despite the claims of Lefties who believe we’ve found our new Camelot, we’re not ruled by kings.
Esthier on February 4, 2009 at 5:12 PM
Now we’re saddled with an inarticulate cretin that is barely qualified to dance with Ellen Degeneres.
LimeyGeek on February 4, 2009 at 5:12 PM
joe_doufu on February 4, 2009 at 4:50 PM
I think if you read the post it will make more sense to you.
DaveS on February 4, 2009 at 5:13 PM
I think that Cheney, unlike Bush, is not going to be stifled any longer. As VP, he had to go along with GWB and not be contentious with the MSM. He no longer is subject to these restrictions. I hope he continues to speak out. Cheney is a great American.
technopeasant on February 4, 2009 at 5:14 PM
You’re right. It’s too bad President Clinton never had 4,5,6 opportunities to take out Osama bin Laden before he could spend years planning an attack on the U.S.
Even after 9/11, the left rabidly fought against every new safeguard that the Bush administration attempted to implement in order to prevent another terrorist attack.
This was AFTER 9/11 that he received that much resistance to safety/security measures he wanted.
Can you honestly say that he would have had even a slight chance of implementing any changes that would have made a difference prior to 9/11?
Yes, he didn’t attempt to change those policies before the attack on the U.S. But, if you were being intellectually honest you’d acknowledge he neither implemented those policies (they were Clinton policies put in by Gorelick) nor would the left have allowed him to change any of those policies prior to 9/11.
JadeNYU on February 4, 2009 at 5:15 PM
I think Cheney was pretty well muzzles by Bush while in office.
Face it, the Bush admin did not fight back at all against the rhetoric of the left. They did not adequatly explain what they were doing… or why… the Pres. would do a speech… and that would be it.
Lots of folks hate Cheney because he is a symbol, not for what he did, or what he said…
Please continue to speak Mr. Cheney… we need more adult voices out here.
Romeo13 on February 4, 2009 at 5:15 PM
That;s what Allah was saying… will Cheney “face the consequences” if a jihadi released before 1/20/09 commits another act? I don’t see it as unthinkable that will happen either (and you KNOW who will be pointing fingers if it does).
Just makes a case for NOT bowing to that international “pressure” to release them.
hindmost on February 4, 2009 at 5:15 PM
The buck stops… with the guy in office before me!
Noneya on February 4, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Go Dick Go, tell this surrender monkey whats up.
lavell12 on February 4, 2009 at 5:16 PM
He speaks the truth. Radical islam is not going to stop it’s quest to destory the west just because Barry Obama has decided to go soft on them.
therightwinger on February 4, 2009 at 5:16 PM
MikeA on February 4, 2009 at 4:53 PM
I expect a certain amount of class from former presidents and vice-presidents. Part of that expectation includes the idea that they should shut up and respect the presidency. You probably recall that we were rightly annoyed at Carter and Clinton many times during Bush’s presidency for doing exactly this.
DaveS on February 4, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Dick Cheney does not suffer fools very well. Thank God he spoke up because we all know he is right. Obama’s first day in office was testament to that. I hope he keeps speaking to this subject. He understands and knows what to do. Unfortunately he is seeing this mistake of a president
tearing down all the protections that he and Bush put into place for our survival. I love Dick Cheney for that. He was a great VP and we miss him at our house.
BetseyRoss on February 4, 2009 at 5:19 PM
The buck stops… with the guy in office before me!
Noneya on February 4, 2009 at 5:15 PM
LimeyGeek on February 4, 2009 at 5:19 PM
Well stated. I would only add that perhaps Mr. Cheney has some knowledge of what the bad guys would like to do to us next.
dentalque on February 4, 2009 at 5:19 PM
First time I’ve arsed up my quotation like that….
LimeyGeek on February 4, 2009 at 5:20 PM
As an immigrant, a legal one (yes we do exist), I find it horrifying when I read about people like you, and your profoundly retarded understanding of our constitutional form of government, and consider that you are allowed to vote.
LimeyGeek on February 4, 2009 at 5:20 PM
DaveS,
Funny, you forgot to mention Al Gore.
Christien on February 4, 2009 at 5:20 PM
Don’t pretend like you won’t blame Bush if something happens in Obama’s first year.
Esthier on February 4, 2009 at 5:20 PM
Thanks for fixing that for him.
becki51758 on February 4, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Don’t think Barry won’t try to use this excuse again and again.
Because he will.
Former VP Cheney obviously feels compelled to speak out because their policies were effective and he sees the Islamist terrorist storm gathering again as BO destroys our defenses and offensives.
Jenfidel on February 4, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Maybe, just maybe, I know this is a long shot…but he might just know more about this subject then you Allah.
He might have some inside knowledge that Obama is going to take a step that is so wrong, undo what is so important, that he had to speak out.
Now I know you have better insight then him on most every issue…but on this one item, he may have an edge on you, his intelligence background may even eclipse your vast knowledge of the subject…I mean how many intelligence meetings have you sat on, and how many times have you handed over “intelligence reports” to an incoming administration…and how many times have you sat and watched programs being dismantled, programs the public does not even know exists? Probably I am guessing, you have seen none of this.
I think this is a shot over the bow, to remind Obama that there are things more important then campaign rhetoric.
right2bright on February 4, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Cheney knows this: If Obama follows his gut on these matters, we’ll relax our guard, and when we relax our guard we’ll be hit with another terrorist attack, and when that terrorist attack happens, it will be “Bush’s fault.” Cheney’s just getting out ahead of history to point out that new actions have new consequences. “Don’t blame us when it happens.”
RBMN on February 4, 2009 at 5:21 PM
I’d take kick-your-ass Cheney over food-in-mouth Biden any day of the week.
fiscallyconservative on February 4, 2009 at 5:22 PM
No,apparently the only retard is you since it was Islamic terrorist financed by Osama,the guy Clinton let walk more than 8 times that killed thousands of people on 9/11.
Your liberal hero Richard Clark knows all about it since he was in charge of stopping these types of exact attacks during the 90′s and up until Bush fired his dumba$$.
Democrats and Republicans stated that Saddam had WMD/ties to al-qaeda and voted to send our Soldiers to the Iraq war which Bush/American Soldier have won.
Your liberal heros like Barney Frank,Chris Dodd,and Obama were the ones on the take with Fannie/Freddie which launched us into this financial mess and watching your Messiah make a total A$$clown out of himself the last few weeks is not installing any confidence that Mr. 57 states has the competence to do anything about it.
Noneya is a fine example of the failures of our education system.
Baxter Greene on February 4, 2009 at 5:22 PM
Again, Allah’s toolness pops up.
Guess what campers? Cheney is going to become a hell of a lot more popular than any number of the squishy conservative pundits out there.
People seem to forget that Cheney has the intellect to eviscerate liberal arguments. He also has the cajones to do it. He’s been quiet these past few years DOING HIS FREAKING JOB. You’re welcome.
Sugar Land on February 4, 2009 at 5:23 PM
You seem to be under the impression that we have 2 presidents at a time…. how many times did you flunk that citizenship test?
Noneya on February 4, 2009 at 5:23 PM
Sorry, I meant Obama…I get easily sidetracked
kirkill on February 4, 2009 at 5:23 PM
I didn’t realize you immigrated. How long have you been here, and do you plan on trying to become a citizen (assuming you’re not already)?
Esthier on February 4, 2009 at 5:23 PM
At least Gore waited a few years. Cheney couldn’t even wait a month.
calbear on February 4, 2009 at 5:23 PM
Your saying everything Im thinking! Thanks!
becki51758 on February 4, 2009 at 5:24 PM
because shrub left us with a surplus like Clinton did?
Noneya on February 4, 2009 at 5:24 PM
As posted in the other thread:
“Get used to this sort of thing. Cheney needs to spread this sort of nonsense. Every day that the Obama administration rolls back his legacy and the U.S. isn’t attacked is another day in which Cheney’s contentions that the U.S. needed to embrace torture, preventive war and illegal surveillance in order to be safe is debunked. He has little choice but to spread the counternarrative that we’re actually just another day closer to another attack.”
Thanks for your service, but sit down and keep quiet, sir. I think you can be conservative and be for or against “torture” (obviously I’m against), but to see so many conservatives willingly cede their Constitutional right to privacy for “safety and security” is troubling.
Provided Obama does due diligence with the other aspects of his constitutional oath (a big if), he got this one right.
Trent1289 on February 4, 2009 at 5:26 PM
And Gore, the difference is that they were on foreign soil when they did that…a big difference.
The other was on foreign policy, and undermining it…Cheney is reminding Obama that programs were set in place to keep us safe, no make friends…Cheney and his family live in the U.S., he would rather not have them blown up.
Like the great politician he was, he will take the heat to continue to keep us safe. He has been called worse while keeping us safe all these years.
right2bright on February 4, 2009 at 5:26 PM
Rush, Hannity et al. recycle this argument on radio or TV every day, so Cheney chiming in brings plenty of cost but no real benefit. I hope he’s not planning to make a practice of it. Exit question: Does this mean if we’re attacked by jihadis who were freed during Bush’s term — which isn’t unthinkable — he’ll hold himself responsible?
Maybe I’m reading this wrong, but as someone who lived and worked in the WS area for years I can’t believe what you’re saying.
Where should I start? I really don’t know, but I do know that on that day, 9/11/01 I understood that our lives changed in ways we could never imagine.
It made sense to me that we had to change laws and procedures that would infuriate most Americans in order to protect this country. The rules changed that day. We had to learn to do things differently. One thing the Europeans had going for them was their claim that Americans had to think more like them in terms of terrorism.
Americans are so naive. And so spoiled. Life isn’t the same anymore. We have become far too accustomed to the idea of protection due to geography. That is no longer the case. I know of one situation not too far from my home. You think this is absurd? Then you’re crazy.
Times have changed.
Cody1991 on February 4, 2009 at 5:27 PM
I love what he said.
I will wait in a long line for his book when it comes out, I can’t wait.
13Girl on February 4, 2009 at 5:27 PM
Noneya, do you really want to have this debate? Because I know many people here would look very forward to discussing this topic with you but only if only you were willing to take part in the free and open exchange of thoughts and facts. I’m hesitant though because I imagine you will obnoxiously resort to snide, illogical wise-ass comments and refuse to actually take part in anything remotely similar to a debate.
Zetterson on February 4, 2009 at 5:27 PM
Boy this is bass-ack-wards so far it’s crazy.
You have BDS stage 8! There is no known cure, except the hope-n-change of spending $1 Trillion for no real reason. Talk about bankrupting our country. The governments #1 job is to provide for the military and to kick the shit out of people that would love to destroy mine and your way of life.
Al-quada is on the run, haven’t your heard? Do you think they’d be on the run if we had stayed home and done nothing?
kirkill on February 4, 2009 at 5:28 PM
I’ve been here ‘long enough’…further answers would be a little more personal than I care to be on the net :)
LimeyGeek on February 4, 2009 at 5:28 PM
LOL…Obama’s flailing hard…let’s all talk about Cheney!
Christien on February 4, 2009 at 5:29 PM
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