Quotes of the day
posted at 10:35 pm on February 3, 2009 by Allahpundit
“‘This case is no different than any other case,’ Lott said Monday. ‘This one might be a lot easier since we have photographs of someone using drugs and a partial confession. It’s a relatively easy case once we can determine where the crime occurred.’”
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“‘So the guy smokes pot,’ Mr. Cohen said. ‘For once I’d like someone to say, ‘Yeah, I smoke pot, it’s harmless and I enjoy it.’’ Instead, he said, Mr. Phelps is lying by pretending he’ll never do it again…
‘The people who should be shaping our kids’ conduct are parents, friends, people they know in the community,’ he said. ‘Michael Phelps’ glory is that he’s an incredibly talented swimmer. Unless your child happens to be a fish, why do you want him to be a role model?’”
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Pot the bottom line; I have been and will continue to be a far greater danger and/or menace to society whilst intoxicated than I ever was as a stoner.
dmann on February 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM
…………… and Mr. Obama’s picture is in every classroom across the United States as a role model.
Seven Percent Solution on February 3, 2009 at 10:45 PM
Now that we have an ex-druggie in the White House, it’s all okay….
MrScribbler on February 3, 2009 at 10:47 PM
Have you ever heard Phelps talk? When was the last time you saw him on the tube?
RE: Link — Washington times server is down (at least for me, for the moment.
Skandia Recluse on February 3, 2009 at 10:48 PM
Normally I’d say ‘Well, there’s a go-zillion dollars in endorsements down the crapper’.
But these days…there’s gobs of cash to be traded on him and the toadies that market celebrities.
There’s plenty of them out there…just beat up their wives, got busted for weed/dui/steroids..etc…Still getting paid…
No big thang…..
Sign O’ the times.
BigWyo on February 3, 2009 at 10:49 PM
He’s an ex-stoner like he’s an ex-smoker.
TMK on February 3, 2009 at 10:50 PM
I have only allowed my son to have a narrow view of athletes. I made certain that he viewed athletes specifically as role models in how to play his particular sport. Beyond that, he should not seek them as role models. He truly understood this, plays Basketball like Ben Wallace, but looks to me on how to live his life.
Zaire67 on February 3, 2009 at 10:50 PM
Yeah, I smoke pot, it’s harmless and I enjoy it.
There ya go.
getalife on February 3, 2009 at 10:53 PM
Inb4 somebody tells you that your son probably smokes dope behind your back, because, ya know, EVERYONE does it.
/someone who’s never smoked.
jimmy the notable on February 3, 2009 at 10:54 PM
Athletes don’t raise kids. Parents do.
It’d be much better for everybody if parents explained the faults and frailties of being human to their kids instead of putting athletes and celebrities on stupid pedestals.
Dave Rywall on February 3, 2009 at 10:57 PM
Shut up douche bag.
BigWyo on February 3, 2009 at 10:58 PM
Hasn’t the that been a true statement since ’92 and on?
e-pirate on February 3, 2009 at 10:59 PM
You need to relax buddy.
Why not have a little weed and calm down?
e-pirate on February 3, 2009 at 11:00 PM
Maybe Phelps can endorse Tommy Chong Bongs. Acapulco Gold even…
“No stems no seeds
that you don’t need,
Acapulco Gold is
Baaaaadaaaassss Weed.”
john1schn on February 3, 2009 at 11:00 PM
That’s probably the one and only time I have ever agreed with you Mr. Rywall…kudos.
Ciannaky on February 3, 2009 at 11:01 PM
Strange. The implication of this statement is that only astute and accomplished ethicists can be role models. Here we see one of the problems with post-modern man’s lust for specialization. The hero can only be a hero in his “field”, and only to those who participate in that “field“. No, Phelps is a role model because of all the things NOT associated with swimming. If it were swimming alone, than any derelict in water would suffice. It is because Phelps is the best swimmer. But it is that which makes him the best swimmer that’s admirable, and those “intangibles” are present in every field, not just in the natatorium. And it is precisely for this reason that his “fall” exists without losing a single race. To be clear, I’m not making a case for or against pot use, or whether or not this act in particular is a “fall“; I’m trying to maintain the notion of “hero-ism” in a world of specialists; the idea that sacrifice looks the same with the plumber as it does with the doctor. And that selfishness smells as bad on the Hollywood socialite as it does on the “serious” politician. Phelps doesn’t need a degree in ethics to be a role model, and I do not need gills to be disappointed.
Weight of Glory on February 3, 2009 at 11:01 PM
e-pirate on February 3, 2009 at 11:00 PM
I agree.
getalife on February 3, 2009 at 11:01 PM
e
I’m trying something out here.
And it seems to work so far.
I won’t come back.
BigWyo on February 3, 2009 at 11:03 PM
Something tells me you’d be the most depressing parent ever.
“Sit down son. Someday, I’m going to die. In most places in the world, people are hungrier than you are. Everyone you ever admire in life is probably a sham, including me. Neither me nor your mother waited until marriage to have sex. In fact, she dated and slept with dozens of men before me. Now come here, and let me show you how to tie your shoes.”
jimmy the notable on February 3, 2009 at 11:03 PM
Who cares? The olympics have been crap since they allowed pro’s to participate. Smoke dope until your skull cracks Phelps, won’t matter to me.
Hog Wild on February 3, 2009 at 11:03 PM
And smoking pot makes the antisocial paranoid…
… and the healthy overweight…
… and the active sedentary…
… and the clear-thinking judgment-impaired…
… and the pot buyer exposed to harder drugs…
… and the pot seller flush with funds to buy more of the hard stuff that brings bigger profits…
… etc.
Other than that, it’s just as “harmless” as alcohol.
Terrie on February 3, 2009 at 11:05 PM
So if I walk into a police station with a picture of me holding a bong and a signed confession saying I smoked it and turn myself in will they arrest me? Can the smoke itself satisfy the possession statute or do I actually need to possess the plant matter? What if someone else was holding the bong for me and just the smoke went into my lungs?
JaHerer22 on February 3, 2009 at 11:06 PM
Yeah…that certainly came out of no where…I’m at a loss.
Hold on now…I think he actually said something that makes a little bit of sense here…
BigWyo on February 3, 2009 at 11:07 PM
When I first saw the picture of Phelps I thought it was the Syler character from Heroes.
DerKrieger on February 3, 2009 at 11:08 PM
Dah law is dah law. Book him!
SouthernGent on February 3, 2009 at 11:08 PM
Might have as much click value as a Palin/Huck thread, but I doubt any minds will be changed, plus I’m sick of the same arguments. A nice gun porn thread would be pleasant and refreshing.
a capella on February 3, 2009 at 11:13 PM
Expect for the role model part,
was the smokin the bong part,
on his day off,and part of his
private life,that now,is not so
private!
———-
And,why is it,that he’s being
scrutenized,by the ‘gotcha’ media
scrutenizers
————-
And really,if Phelps was a ‘Liberal Politician’
it would be,
‘Nobody’s Perfect’!
‘He made an honest mistake’!
And he would be confirmed,ever so easily!
canopfor on February 3, 2009 at 11:13 PM
This is Very Right.
Back in the day…’Oh, but the rest of the world is doing it!! All their athletes are paid to do their sport…that’s their job..’
Won’t be seeing another ‘Miracle on Ice’ anytime soon..unless we’re on the losing end that is….
Didn’t Jim Thorpe get in the shits for accepting a turkey at a county fair or something???
Wow…we have progressed….
BigWyo on February 3, 2009 at 11:13 PM
It would be much better……
Dave Rywall on Feb 3,2009 at 10:57PM.
Dave Rywall: And the Canadian Snow boarder?
It wasn’t steriods!,and they tried pull his Goldmedal,
even tho,Mary Jane wasn’t on the banned substance list!
canopfor on February 3, 2009 at 11:16 PM
Marijuana is a very dangerous drug
The Anti Marijuana Resource
Addiction:
Animals Exposed To Marijuana’s Active Component Will Self-Administer The Drug (NIH-National Institute On Drug Abuse)
Marijuana Withdrawal As Bad As Withdrawal From Cigarettes (Drug and Alcohol Dependence Journal)
Marijuana Withdrawal Reported By Teens Seeking Treatment (Drug and Alcohol Dependence Journal)
Smoking, Drinking, Drugs: The Younger They Start, The Harder It Is To Quit (Health Education & Behavior Journal)
Gateway Drug:
Early cannabis abuse ‘leads to heroin addiction’ (Neuropsychopharmacology Journal)
Early marijuana use increases risk of drug and alcohol problems later in life (Washington University School of Medicine)
Illicit Drug Use Starts With Cannabis (University of Otago, New Zealand)
Marijuana use linked to hallucinogen use (Johns Hopkins University Bloomberg School of Public Health)
Negative Health Effects:
Brain Damage – Cannabis Could Increase Risks Of Psychotic Illness By 40 Percent (The Lancet Medical Journal)
Brain Damage – Cannabis Increases Risk Of Psychosis (British Medical Journal)
Brain Damage – Cannabis increases risk of depression and schizophrenia (British Medical Journal)
Brain Damage – Cannabis Triggers Transient Schizophrenia-like Symptoms (Neuropsychopharmacology Journal)
Brain Damage – Cannabis use ‘dulls the brain’ (Journal of the American Medical Association)
Brain Damage – Concerns over mental health risk of smoking cannabis (British Journal of Psychiatry)
Brain Damage – Early Cannabis Use Increases Risk of Schizophrenia (University of Otago, New Zealand)
Brain Damage – Frequent Marijuana Use May Affect Brain Function (NeuroReport Journal)
Brain Damage – Heavy Cannabis Use May Lead to Psychotic Symptoms (University of Otago, New Zealand)
Brain Damage – Heavy Marijuana use has a detrimental impact on intelligence (Canadian Medical Association Journal)
Brain Damage – Heavy Marijuana Use May Damage Developing Brain In Teens, Young Adults (Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia)
Brain Damage – How Smoking Marijuana Damages The Fetal Brain (Science Journal)
Brain Damage – Long-term Cannabis Users May Have Structural Brain Abnormalities (Archives of General Psychiatry Journal)
Brain Damage – Marijuana And Alcohol Taken Together Induced Widespread Nerve Cell Death In Brains Of Young Rats (Annals of Neurology Journal)
Brain Damage – Marijuana Damages Brain (King’s College, UK)
Brain Damage – Marijuana Is Linked to Brain Damage (The Lancet Medical Journal)
Brain Damage – Marijuana Use Affects Blood Flow In Brain Even After Abstinence (Neurology Journal)
Brain Damage – Marijuana use in pregnancy damages kids’ learning (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences)
Brain Damage – Marijuana Use Takes Toll On Adolescent Brain Function (American Academy of Pediatrics)
Brain Damage – Memory, speed of thinking get worse over time with marijuana use (American Academy of Neurology)
Brain Damage – More Evidence Of Cannabis-induced Psychosis (BMC Psychiatry Journal)
Brain Damage – Scans reveal brain damage from cannabis is like schizophrenia (Albert Einstein College of Medicine)
Brain Damage – Schizophrenia Linked To Dysfunction In Molecular Brain Pathway Activated By Marijuana (Archives of General Psychiatry Journal)
Brain Damage – Skunk smokers 18 times more likely to be psychotic (Royal College of Psychiatrists)
Brain Damage – Smoking Marijuana Impairs Cognitive Function In MS Patients (Neurology Journal)
Brain Damage – Starting marijuana use during teens may result in cognitive impairment later in life (NIH/National Institute on Drug Abuse)
Brain Damage – Teen Drug Use Associated With Psychiatric Disorders Later In Life (NIH/National Institute On Drug Abuse)
Brain Damage – Teen Marijuana Use Worsens Depression, Leads To More Serious Mental Illness (Office of National Drug Control Policy)
Cancer – Marijuana ingredient promotes tumor growth, impairs anti-tumor defenses (NIH/National Institute on Drug Abuse)
Cancer – Marijuana Use Associated with HPV-Positive Head and Neck Cancer (Journal of the National Cancer Institute)
Cancer – Smoking Marijuana May Increase Risk Of Head And Neck Cancers (Cancer Epidemiology Biomarker and Prevention Journal)
Gum Disease – Heavy Marijuana Use Linked To Gum Disease (Journal of the American Medical Association)
Heart Disease – Adolescent binging on marijuana linked to stroke (Saint Louis University)
Heart Disease – Marijuana use can trigger heart attack (Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center)
Heart Disease – Marijuana Use May Pose Health Threat To Baby Boomers (American Heart Association Circulation Journal)
Heart Disease – Possible Connection Between Marijuana Abuse And Stroke Or Heart Attacks (Molecular Psychiatry Journal)
Heart Disease – Regular Cannabis May Increase Risk Of Stroke In Young Users (British Medical Journal)
Infertility – Abusing Marijuana May Overload System, Inhibit Fertility (American Society for Cell Biology)
Infertility – Marijuana-Like Compounds May Alter Human Fertility (American Society of Cell Biology)
Infertility – Sperm From Marijuana Smokers Move Too Fast Too Early, Impairing Fertility (American Society of Reproductive Medicine)
Lung Disease – Impact On Lungs Of One Cannabis Joint Equal To Up To Five Cigarettes (British Medical Journal)
Lung Disease – Long-term Marijuana Smoking Leads To Respiratory Complaints (Archives of Internal Medicine Journal)
Lung Disease – Marijuana associated with same respiratory symptoms as tobacco (Yale School of Medicine)
Lung Disease – Marijuana Smoke Contains Higher Levels Of Certain Toxins Than Tobacco Smoke (ACS Chemical Research In Toxicology Journal)
Lung Disease – Marijuana Smokers Face Rapid Lung Destruction — As Much As 20 Years Ahead Of Tobacco Smokers (Respirology Journal)
Lung Disease – Marijuana Worsens COPD Symptoms In Current Cigarette Smokers (American Thoracic Society)
Lung Disease – Research Confirms Adverse Effects of Cannabis on Respiratory Health (University of Otago, New Zealand)
Obesity – Machinery Of The ‘Marijuana Munchies’ (Neuron Journal)
Pregnancy Complication – Marijuana Use Causes Early Pregnancy Failure (Journal of Clinical Investigation)
Pregnancy Complication – Marijuana use could cause tubal pregnancies (Vanderbilt University Medical Center)
Viral Infection – Marijuana Component Opens The Door For Virus That Causes Kaposi’s Sarcoma (Cancer Research Journal)
Viral Infection – Regular Marijuana Use Increases Risk Of Hepatitis C-related Liver Damage (AGA Clinical Gastroenterology and Hepatology Journal)
Myths:
Pain Relief – Oral Cannabis Ineffective In Treating Acute Pain (Journal of the American Society of Anesthesiologists)
Sociological:
African-American Girls Who Use Marijuana Engage In Riskier Sex, Have Higher STD Rate (School of Public Health, Emory University)
Cannabis Almost Doubles Risk Of Fatal Crashes (British Medical Journal)
Driving under influence of cannabis more common and riskier than drink driving (University of Otago, New Zealand)
Early Exposure To Drugs, Alcohol Creates Lifetime Of Health Risk (Psychological Science Journal)
Emotional Intelligence And The Use Of Tobacco And Cannabis (UAB Department of General, Development and Educational Psychology)
Frequent Family Meals Might Reduce Teen Substance Use (Journal of Adolescent Health)
Glamorization Of Drugs In Rap Music Jumped Dramatically Over 2 Decades (Addiction Research & Theory Journal)
Malt Liquor Linked To Marijuana Use Among Young Adults (Psychology of Addictive Behaviors Journal)
One Of Every Three Popular Songs Contains References To Substance Use (American Public Health Association)
Pop Stars More Than Twice As Likely To Die An Early Death (British Medical Journal)
References To Explicit Substance Use Common In Popular Music (Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine Journal)
Religiosity Curbs Teen Marijuana Use By Half (Journal of Drug Issues)
Researchers Find Factors That Encourage Cannabis Use Among University Students (Journal of Applied Biobehavioral Research)
Rising Teen Marijuana Use Is Fueled By Change In Attitudes (American Journal of Public Health)
Teens who frequently go out with friends more likely to use marijuana (Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine)
United States Has Highest Level Of Illegal Cocaine And Cannabis Use (PLoS Medicine Journal)
Poptech on February 3, 2009 at 11:18 PM
Smoking pot is against the law. End of story. Whether you personally have a problem with using it or not, it is ILLEGAL. Having worked in the detective department for our local police department, I have seen another side of drug use. It happens with pot, too. I’m talking about crime committed by drug dealers and by drug users who steal to buy the drugs. Yes, pot users, too. There is also some raging controversy over whether marijuana causes birth defects. There are two schools on the matter and neither has effectively proven their case, but why would anyone take the chance?
Glynn on February 3, 2009 at 11:23 PM
Something tells me you’d be the most depressing parent ever.
“Sit down son. Someday, I’m going to die. In most places in the world, people are hungrier than you are. Everyone you ever admire in life is probably a sham, including me. Neither me nor your mother waited until marriage to have sex. In fact, she dated and slept with dozens of men before me. Now come here, and let me show you how to tie your shoes.”
jimmy the notable on February 3, 2009 at 11:03 PM
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You clearly don’t have a clue what I was talking about. But your attempt at humour is noted.
Dave Rywall on February 3, 2009 at 11:27 PM
Love the anti-global warming page. Its been a resource of mine for what feels like ages.
However, all of the negative effects of marijuana aside, I seriously can’t support an argument that it is the government’s business to tell us what’s dangerous and what isn’t. Heart disease is the leading cause of death in the nation (I think), but if they tried to take away steaks and hamburgers, there would be hell to pay. Freedom of the individual, and such.
That being said, it is still illegal, and if you’re foolish enough to get caught using it so long as it is illegal, there will be some consequences.
jimmy the notable on February 3, 2009 at 11:28 PM
I understand fine what you were talking about. Hero worship is dangerous, since nobody’s perfect. Its a good point. I just think its depressing to say it is the parent’s job to tell kids this straightaway.
jimmy the notable on February 3, 2009 at 11:29 PM
Smoking pot is against the law. End of story. Whether you personally have a problem with using it or not, it is ILLEGAL. Having worked in the detective department for our local police department, I have seen another side of drug use. It happens with pot, too. I’m talking about crime committed by drug dealers and by drug users who steal to buy the drugs. Yes, pot users, too. There is also some raging controversy over whether marijuana causes birth defects. There are two schools on the matter and neither has effectively proven their case, but why would anyone take the chance?
Glynn on February 3, 2009 at 11:23 PM
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Hmmm being drunk is illegal too. But people break the law every day/weekend/wedding/SuperBowl/Tuesday afternoon.
Bars break the law every day over serving people to the point of intoxication.
Can we assume you have harsh feelings toward this rampant law breaking too?
Dave Rywall on February 3, 2009 at 11:32 PM
Bush used marijuana too. Let’s stop the hypocritical “ex-druggie in the white house” crap. Obama’s got a lot worse history to worry about.
Again, going after Phelps is a waste of time and money, as it would be if they went after any other college student pictured sucking on a bong once. Cut the celebrity special treatment BS.
MadisonConservative on February 3, 2009 at 11:33 PM
Uhhhh no its not.
jimmy the notable on February 3, 2009 at 11:33 PM
Maybe in Canada. Not here, genius. I thought you’d sodded off a while ago.
MadisonConservative on February 3, 2009 at 11:34 PM
I understand fine what you were talking about. Hero worship is dangerous, since nobody’s perfect. Its a good point. I just think its depressing to say it is the parent’s job to tell kids this straightaway.
jimmy the notable on February 3, 2009 at 11:29 PM
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I’m not saying you paint the world as a failure shit show. I’m saying you instill good values in your kids yourself and help them learn to take the world with a grain/pound of salt.
Dave Rywall on February 3, 2009 at 11:34 PM
Uhhhh no its not.
jimmy the notable on February 3, 2009 at 11:33 PM
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Public intoxication most certainly is a crime in most states. So uhhhh, yes it is.
Dave Rywall on February 3, 2009 at 11:36 PM
Maybe in Canada. Not here, genius. I thought you’d sodded off a while ago.
MadisonConservative on February 3, 2009 at 11:34 PM
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Go look it up, genius.
Dave Rywall on February 3, 2009 at 11:37 PM
Ummmm since when is “public intoxication” equal to “being drunk”?
Oh, that’s right. You don’t live in a country where private property is a strictly protected right, so you consider private establishments and private homes to be public property.
Well, here it’s a little different. Maybe you should read more than one word out of every sentence. If you have to read only one word, make sure you read only the last word, douchepuddle.
MadisonConservative on February 3, 2009 at 11:41 PM
J.F.K used cannabis to alleviate pain from his broken back after his PT boat was crushed by a Japanese Cruiser. And he fired the douche.bag who slipped the current laws through the Congress to begin with
Ciannaky on February 3, 2009 at 11:41 PM
That was very well put! I agree.
sheebe on February 3, 2009 at 11:43 PM
He doesn’t have to. In this country, it’s not illegal to be drunk. That’s a fact.
Esthier on February 3, 2009 at 11:43 PM
I’m curious how many people here don’t break any laws…
And just charge him or STFU. I doubt it would hurt him much if he was charger. Why would he care?
Ampersand on February 3, 2009 at 11:45 PM
There are states which actually specifically protect a person’s right to get drunk in public, genius. Nevada, Montana. There are only 4 state laws on the books that actually list public intoxication, public meaning not on your property, as a misdemeanor.
jimmy the notable on February 3, 2009 at 11:46 PM
Pfft. Don’t question the Canadian. He would know American laws far better than an American living in America. Know your role.
MadisonConservative on February 3, 2009 at 11:46 PM
I keep forgetting. My mistake.
Esthier on February 3, 2009 at 11:47 PM
Ummmm since when is “public intoxication” equal to “being drunk”?
Oh, that’s right. You don’t live in a country where private property is a strictly protected right, so you consider private establishments and private homes to be public property.
Well, here it’s a little different. Maybe you should read more than one word out of every sentence. If you have to read only one word, make sure you read only the last word, douchepuddle.
MadisonConservative on February 3, 2009 at 11:41 PM
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It’s not my fault you’re entirely misinformed about the public intoxication laws in your own country. But congratulations on being such a mature little anonymous poster. Must feel awesome. Bye bye now.
Dave Rywall on February 3, 2009 at 11:49 PM
Except that Madison is right. Not all drunkeness is public intox. You were the one being imprecise.
Esthier on February 3, 2009 at 11:51 PM
Boy, Dave Rail-All would really think he landed in Prude-ville here in Texas. Each town determines it’s own consumption laws. Beer here, no beer there. Wine there, no wine here. Midnight we cut you off. On Sunday you are dry until noon. Damn booze Nazis anyways.
Tell the moron with the gills to toke all he wants. I won’t be buying any speedos or body wax anyway so the advertisers won’t loose a dime on this crusty old fart.
Limerick on February 3, 2009 at 11:52 PM
Drywall is correct here (but only here) ;)
I’ll say it…. it’s just pot people! Get over it. It should be legal.
Ampersand on February 3, 2009 at 11:53 PM
Being Drunk Not a Crime in Utah
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) – The Utah Supreme Court ruled Friday that someone can’t be charged with public intoxication simply for being drunk.
jimmy the notable on February 3, 2009 at 11:53 PM
It’s not my fault you appear to have serious issues with the English language.
As I asked, since when does “public intoxication” mean it is illegal to be drunk? Does “public nudity” mean it is illegal to be nude?
MadisonConservative on February 3, 2009 at 11:53 PM
Yeah. I’m in Tyler and it’s a “dry” town. You can drink in bars. Around 2:00am after the bars close the streets are filled with drunk driving wrecks because you can’t buy some beer and drink at home.
Ampersand on February 3, 2009 at 11:55 PM
I hate to agree with him twice in one day but you guys are arguing the semantics public drunkenness which is indeed a criminal offense, albeit subjectively enforced.
And Jimmy, seven states define public intoxication as a misdemeanor but that no way shape or form codifies the legality of public drunken behavior as you claim.
Ciannaky on February 3, 2009 at 11:59 PM
He didn’t say public drunkenness but simply being drunk. There is a difference.
Esthier on February 4, 2009 at 12:03 AM
Again, since when does being drunk in public mean that being drunk is illegal? Does the fact that public nudity is illegal make nudity illegal?
MadisonConservative on February 4, 2009 at 12:04 AM
Yep, my thoughts exactly. Never watch/care anymore.
R D on February 4, 2009 at 12:06 AM
I think you’re really going out of your way to miss the point he was making.
Ampersand on February 4, 2009 at 12:09 AM
On the topic of pot, I think the conclusion drawn is not an unreasonable one as pot is illegal no matter where it is consumed. I conceded the point he was making and only called him imprecise. I see nothing unfair in that.
Esthier on February 4, 2009 at 12:11 AM
His point was that people get drunk every day and night, and being drunk is a crime, so plenty of people break the law.
Except that being drunk isn’t a crime. So the point he was making was wrong to the point of absurdity.
How about I go down a few shots of vodka, and Dave here can call the police department to alert them to the crime I’m not committing?
MadisonConservative on February 4, 2009 at 12:12 AM
No, I believe the prohibition against public nudity makes public nudity illegal while protecting your right to drink from the milk carton at three AM with your balls swinging freely, but he was right when he said
as I pointed out to James, public intoxication is most assuredly illegal albeit a misdemeanor…and as I further pointed out it is laws that are subjectively enforced.
Ciannaky on February 4, 2009 at 12:12 AM
You sure?
Ciannaky on February 4, 2009 at 12:16 AM
This is what he said:
Dave Rywall on February 3, 2009 at 11:32 PM
jimmy the notable on February 4, 2009 at 12:17 AM
The FIRST THING he said was “being drunk is illegal.” He then changed that to public intoxication, which, even by itself, is still perfectly legal in at least 3 states. Most states don’t even have laws I was able to look up, so presumably there are no laws whatsoever. The only time they ever take you in is if you are a danger to someone else.
jimmy the notable on February 4, 2009 at 12:18 AM
Just like smoking some weed. I wonder if these same people who are all over Phelps now would be doing the same thing if he was seen stumbling down the street after partying.
Ampersand on February 4, 2009 at 12:19 AM
Go back to his original comment. Then, get back to me.
Esthier on February 4, 2009 at 12:19 AM
He said that after making this entirely wrong statement:
Which is wrong. He didn’t mention drunk in public. He’s saying being drunk is illegal, and it’s not. He also said:
No, it’s not. First of all, intoxication is relative to each individual. Some will down half a beer and be tanked, others will finish a couple fifths and be stone cold sober. However, were we to use individual BACs of states, due to the varying metabolisms of people, no bartender could possibly be aware of the intoxication levels of all patrons.
In either case, a bar is a private establishment. Whether the patron chooses to leave the bar while intoxicated, and therefore become drunk in public(the state our erstwhile barrister Drywall is referring to), is not a crime on the fault of the bartender.
So, the point he’s trying to make is that laws are broken all the time and that makes it okay. His point might have made sense with real examples, like jaywalking, speeding, recording shows off of television, downloading MP3s, cheating on taxes, etc. However, since the only information about said activities he is aware of is false, the point is pretty well dead.
MadisonConservative on February 4, 2009 at 12:21 AM
Nitpicking like a bunch of crying schoolgirls should be illegal too.
Dave Rywall on February 4, 2009 at 12:24 AM
I hate to defend Drywall but I’m thinking a knee jerk reaction by ya’ll got you into a pissing match that you shouldn’t have started.
And Notable, only Montana makes it a non “criminal” offense to be publicly intoxicated but they still have the right to PC you until you straighten up..which means incarceration. They just won’t send you to the pen like you wanted to do to potheads on the other thread.
Ciannaky on February 4, 2009 at 12:24 AM
As should refusing to admit when you talked out of your rectum.
MadisonConservative on February 4, 2009 at 12:25 AM
So you got his point. move on. you’re debating over what the definition of “is” is.
Ampersand on February 4, 2009 at 12:25 AM
You’re wrong again.
You really should quit while you’re.,….well, you’re way way behind.
jimmy the notable on February 4, 2009 at 12:26 AM
I don’t know why but I visualized Clark Griswald saying that.
boomer on February 4, 2009 at 12:27 AM
Kini on February 4, 2009 at 12:27 AM
Funny you should mention cuz Madison was supportive, Esthier semi-neutral and Notable abject in favor of deep frying his nutz.
Ciannaky on February 4, 2009 at 12:29 AM
Yeah, addressing what the guy actually said is really a knee jerk reaction. I should have just waited for him to say it was a “rhetorical flourish” and get the updated(read: realized he was wrong) version.
MadisonConservative on February 4, 2009 at 12:29 AM
Then don’t. He stated something that was and is factually incorrect and instead of saying, “whoops, my bad. I mean public intoxication,” he acted as though that’s what he said all along, and you’re doing the same thing.
It’s been conflated for those two reasons and those two alone. Had he simply admitted his error, this would have been over a long time ago.
Esthier on February 4, 2009 at 12:31 AM
You’ve never hit submit in the passion of an arguement without making sure your point was well formated? Please.
Ciannaky on February 4, 2009 at 12:31 AM
Plus, I made the same point earlier today.
MadisonConservative on February 4, 2009 at 12:32 AM
And Madison, I’ve seen you do the same with Lymegeek so don’t deny it.
Ciannaky on February 4, 2009 at 12:33 AM
No, only people who are stoned do that.
*puts on helmet, smirks, and ducks*
MadisonConservative on February 4, 2009 at 12:33 AM
Of course he has, or course we all have. But when we make an error, we’re called on it (and by “we” I mean “people in general”).
Esthier on February 4, 2009 at 12:33 AM
So now you’re admitting to defending something that Drywall meant to do, rather than what he actually did? Who’s being knee-jerk now?
jimmy the notable on February 4, 2009 at 12:34 AM
That’s right. And when I was wrong, I respond with “My bad. What I mean to say was…”
I didn’t continue to argue as if my mistake was actually right. Drywall has a history of doing that here.
MadisonConservative on February 4, 2009 at 12:35 AM
You’re really losing the argument when you have to split the hair this much. I got his point a long time ago… and I’ve smoked weed and that destroys the brain.
Ampersand on February 4, 2009 at 12:35 AM
How is holding him to his very simple, direct words, which he made no attempt to correct, hair-splitting? Am I supposed to read his mind and assume he’s not ignorant enough to think that that drunkenness is illegal? Drywall’s on the level with Biden, so it’s perfectly reasonable to hold him to words as clear as “being drunk is illegal too.”
MadisonConservative on February 4, 2009 at 12:39 AM
Interesting. The lefty trolls are making sense. Must be a full moon or something.
Buford Gooch on February 4, 2009 at 12:40 AM
Are you even reading what MC is saying?? He supports Drywall’s basic argument and has even admitted to making the same argument earlier today. He’s not losing anything. Drywall said “being drunk is illegal” and it ruined any point he was trying to make. Instead of correcting himself, he simply pretended not to have made the mistake, if indeed that’s what it was. I don’t believe that’s what it was, because I called him on it, and he continued his assertion afterwards by simply saying that yes, indeed it is illegal to be drunk.
jimmy the notable on February 4, 2009 at 12:41 AM
I think this is a losing battle. He obviously made a mistake but wouldn’t own up to it, but he has his defenders here who at least seem to have their heart in the right place to be defending someone who wouldn’t return the favor.
Esthier on February 4, 2009 at 12:41 AM
Right, and I agreed with you in that thread (as well as many others) but I think your abject hatred of Drywall led you to react to his position without any real discernment of his actual position, you outright denied him the benefit of the doubt you would expect for yourself and it reflects a certain pathology you have for him and his kind…no matter how justified it is at times.
Ciannaky on February 4, 2009 at 12:44 AM
Yup. The ironic thing is that jimmy and I were hotly disagreeing on this issue earlier, and we still recognize Drywall is well…Drywall. Little more need be said.
Oh, and jimmy, you’re still wrong! *runs*
MadisonConservative on February 4, 2009 at 12:44 AM
Lay off the hooch boy.
Ciannaky on February 4, 2009 at 12:45 AM
When I first met you, didn’t realize
I can’t forget you, for your surprise
you introduced me, to my mind
And left me wanting, you and your kind
I love you, Oh you know it
My life was empty, forever on a down
Until you took me, showed me around
My life is free now, my life is clear
I love you sweet leaf, though you can’t hear
Come on now, try it out
Straight people don’t know, what you’re about
They put you down and shut you out
you gave to me a new belief
and soon the world will love you sweet leaf
Kini on February 4, 2009 at 12:45 AM
Whatever. We now get the point (even if you don’t agree with it) that drywall was poorly making. Bottom line… this story has made me wish I still smoked…
Ampersand on February 4, 2009 at 12:46 AM
I don’t care about his position or whether he agrees or disagrees or if I think he’s the bee’s knees in dungarees. He said something that was false, I and others corrected him, he maintained his original claim was true, it wasn’t, and you’re pretending it was. If he says it’s illegal to drive on the road, and we call him on it, he’s wrong. It doesn’t matter if 15 minutes later he won’t even bother to correct himself, but pretends he was saying that it’s illegal to drive on the wrong side of the road. He was still wrong.
MadisonConservative on February 4, 2009 at 12:47 AM
Get a job, stoner.
MadisonConservative on February 4, 2009 at 12:49 AM
Meh. I just wanted to change the discussion from the aggravating circle-jerk of “LAY OFF PHELPS!! POT IS GOOD!!” to something more interesting. I’m not really an amnesty shill. I felt like throwing a good ol’ moral relativism bomb. But we CAN agree, Drywall is completely wrong and I am at a loss as to why there is anyone who is defending him. I have PROVEN that there are laws which protect the rights not only of the drunk, but the drunk in public. Therefore, there is definitely no law which makes being drunk in public illegal, as he said “in our country.”
jimmy the notable on February 4, 2009 at 12:50 AM
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