Yon: What happened to Never Again?
posted at 11:20 am on February 2, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Never again. Those words reverberate through history as the pledge of Jews around the world after the Holocaust, and supposedly the world stands with them …. except when actual genocidists appear. Michael Yon wonders why Europe seems so infatuated with Hamas, an organization that would cheerfully impose brutal theocratic rule on the Continent just as quickly as they would in Israel, and just as brutally:
Israel is a free country that abides by the rule of law. By contrast, if a writer were to go to Gaza or Iran, for instance, and start writing bad words, he might wind up on the news, dead. Israel allows Christians and Arab Muslims to worship freely, while Hamas wants to see us all at the bottom of the sea. Hamas, supported by Iran, is clear about their goals: they want to wipe out Israel completely, utterly, with finality. But it’s not just Israel that Hamas wants to kill; they want to kill all Jews everywhere. Complete genocide.
And when Iran has the capacity to launch rockets over to Europe or the United States, one can count on it happening. If they can manage to hatch nuclear weapons, we could see Israeli cities annihilated, leaving Israelis with little choice other than to respond with nuclear weapons, which could leave millions dead. If Iran gets nuclear weapons, Iraq will want them, as will other nations who are threatened by Iran. I’ve lived in Europe for about six years, and it is easy to imagine Europe being engulfed in a massive religious and race war. America is relatively sedate on the racial front, but Europe could explode if a serious terrorism wave were to sweep through.
It is simply astounding that many foreign governments do not see this for what it is. Good Muslims are murdered by Muslim extremists in probably dozens of countries, yet certain European governments insist that there is some sort of moral equivalence between Hamas and the democracy called Israel.
Yes, Europe has come a long way since the Holocaust, but unfortunately, it’s in a circle rather than straight forward. Once again, they’re blaming the victims rather than the genocidists themselves. If Hamas has targeted the Jews for destruction and rain thousands of rockets and missiles on their heads, then it’s because the Jews have done something wrong — and not because Hamas explicitly states in their charter that their mission is to destroy the Jews and seize Israel for themselves.
Does this remind anyone of the worldwide reaction to Adolf Hitler and Mein Kampf? “Oh, he doesn’t really mean all of those things,” people would say. “He’s just a provocateur looking for power, and he’ll have reason to moderate once he has something at stake in world politics.” How did that work out for the Jews in Germany and Europe, and for the world as a whole?
Yon reminds us that we remain allied with Israel for good reason: they provide freedom and liberty for their people in a region where neither are found in abundance. They’re not perfect, but to equate them with the terrorists and genocidal lunatics of Hamas and Hezbollah shows a moral perversion on the part of Western leadership, and a serious failure to understand the actual aims of both groups and their fuehrers in Tehran. That failure could be fatal, as it was seventy years ago.
Michael Yon is traveling through Israel and doing some fine reporting. Stay up to date at his blog, and be sure to put a few dollars in his tip jar to keep him funded for more of his excellent work.
Blowback
Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.
Trackbacks/Pings
Trackback URL
Comments
Comment pages: 1 2 Next »
I can’t resist, sorry…
Godwin’s Law! You lose, sir.
KingGold on February 2, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Europe has been choking in anti-Semitism for 1200 years. We’ll never see it eradicated. Perhaps future generations will, but I doubt it.
jgapinoy on February 2, 2009 at 11:23 AM
Especially because I doubt that there will be future generations.
jgapinoy on February 2, 2009 at 11:24 AM
No. A Godwin’s law requires a specious, inappropriate leap to Nazi analogies. For example, arguably calling the refs in last night’s game Gestapo-like thugs might be a Godwin’s law violation. (Then again – it might also be entirely accurate).
In this case, no. When you’re discussing people with the explicit and oft stated goal of eliminating all Jews … its a little difficult to discuss it without pointing to the last folks who had similar aims (and came close to carrying out those aims).
——————-
Back on topic: ultimately, the obvious reality is that sooner or later we’re going to be saving Europe’s ass again, aren’t we?
Professor Blather on February 2, 2009 at 11:26 AM
the more things change, the more things stay the same. I’m starting to doubt Europe will ever get it right.
Defector01 on February 2, 2009 at 11:27 AM
Doubtful. Liberals have a major distaste for helping foreign nations in need. There will be no WWII-like intervention the next time Europe goes mad.
fiscallyconservative on February 2, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Actually, I think it much more likely that Europe will devolve into outright police-state fascism. Think “V for Vendetta”.
LimeyGeek on February 2, 2009 at 11:28 AM
It requires twisting logic to unimaginable degrees in order to justify giving hamas any credence whatsoever.
Vashta.Nerada on February 2, 2009 at 11:28 AM
I think he was joking about Godwin’s Law.
jgapinoy on February 2, 2009 at 11:29 AM
I discussed this with a Danish woman (naturalized US citizen)who is full of Obama-hope, but afraid od Islam. I am beginning to think that these people are the ones that will let all hell break lose and decry any action against injustice. All they plan to do is hope!
Thanks Obama.
clnurnberg on February 2, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Jew-hating serves too important a role in helping to unite very disparate groups that would otherwise be at each other’s throats, so it will never go away.
progressoverpeace on February 2, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Jimmah Cahtuh should be an Olympian. His twisting logic, jumping to conclusions, & flipping truth on its head would earn him the gold in gymnastics.
jgapinoy on February 2, 2009 at 11:31 AM
What are a few hundred dead Jews every year when you’re trying to promote racial and cultural harmony? Small price to pay to make sure that muslim savages don’t feel marginalized.
I vote that we don’t rescue Europe again, let them burn in their own fires for a while.
Bishop on February 2, 2009 at 11:31 AM
I see it happening. I wish we could leave them to their stupidity, but I know it doesn’t work like that.
It’s a shame. I think the only way Europe can ever learn its lesson is to marinate under dhimmitude for a couple of centuries.
Badger40 on February 2, 2009 at 11:31 AM
The new good = evil.
The new Evil = good
End times?
Badger40 on February 2, 2009 at 11:32 AM
The root is primarily not anti-Semitism.
The neo-anti-Semitism is by proxy.
The core is the self hating leftys envy and they’re hate of the “US imperialism” , Israel is the little satan the child of big satan.
Easier to attack it’s little child before attacking big satan.
Cultural suicide.
the_nile on February 2, 2009 at 11:33 AM
Europe has too many Chamberlins and no Churchills.
Right-brained on February 2, 2009 at 11:34 AM
The European media is contributing to this problem big time. Most of the Europeans I know are anti-Israel because of what the BBC and other media outlets have to say about it. They usually know almost nothing of the history (esp the 1948 war) or the Hamas charter.
forest on February 2, 2009 at 11:36 AM
And America has too many citizens who pull down the blinds and turn up the volume on their MTV when they hear their neighbors scream.
Limerick on February 2, 2009 at 11:36 AM
Quite so.
http://xkcd.com/261/
KingGold on February 2, 2009 at 11:36 AM
I believe our country has the same problem.
Esthier on February 2, 2009 at 11:36 AM
The media is a big part of the problem , everywhere now.
the_nile on February 2, 2009 at 11:37 AM
LOL!
jgapinoy on February 2, 2009 at 11:37 AM
What about these great new conservative leaders I’ve heard about over there? Merkel/Sarkozy/etc… (sp?)
Darbraun on February 2, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Bingo.
They need to live in Europe for a while and smell the change.
Perhaps they will appreciate their country more.
Badger40 on February 2, 2009 at 11:41 AM
The problem is that “old Europe” is run by the media.
East Europe still got a clue. You know , they’re more “downscale”..
the_nile on February 2, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Just because they use the same word to describe them (“conservative”) do not think for one second they are anything more than superficially comparable.
European ‘conservatism’ doesn’t even rise to what we would consider “blue dog democrat”. They are fundamentally statist, fascistic, neo-socialist powermongers.
LimeyGeek on February 2, 2009 at 11:44 AM
Well, that is how FDR got out of the Great Depression, isn’t it? And The One fancies himself a new
LincolnFDR, doesn’t he?Kafir on February 2, 2009 at 11:45 AM
But they think we’re oh so enlightened (like them!) now that we’ve elected a black man president. Yet they have never done so.
Tony737 on February 2, 2009 at 11:45 AM
I kinda thought your headline was referring to FEMAs response to the situation in KY.
Fuquay Steve on February 2, 2009 at 11:45 AM
“Conservative” means something completely different in Europe. They are all party-oriented, tribal, parliamentary systems without much in the way of a separation of powers or individualism.
progressoverpeace on February 2, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Lived in (West) Germany for 8 years. From ’88-’94 and then from 2003 to 2005. In the 80s/90s it was culuturally similar to the US. Went back this decade and couldn’t believe the changes….
Right-brained on February 2, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Now that we have our own European Liberal government look for more of the same from the US….
DL13 on February 2, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Yeah, there is also the smoldering resentment of the average European Joe Sixpack for the EU’s heavy handedness, which complicates things even more. When, not if, the flames of nationalism erupt again, it will look like a barfight among the Mongols, Hell’s Angel’s, and MS-13, fueled by the religious/racial accelerants.
a capella on February 2, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Military?
We had a former E. German woman immigrate to ND. She was real interesting. I liked her, but she was always spewing how crappy our president & politics were.
But she was here-and she wouldn’t leave. And she would admit under alcohol that it was crappy there-no jobs, tons of scary immigrants, no opportunity for her or her kids etc.
Badger40 on February 2, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Hamas is an organization that has a manifesto which is demonstrably more anti Jewish than Mein Kampf. When challenged about it by Michael Medved, Jimmy Carter said last week–”Well are you going to focus on ancient history, some Christians think Jews need to be killed or converted for the second coming of Jesus.”
First: Hamas’ manifesto is not ancient history (neither by the way is the Holocaust).
Second: Christians are not calling out for the destruction of Israel, instead Christians are overwhelmingly supportive of Israel and the Jewish people.
Third: Never Again applies to two events. The Holocaust of course, and also to allowing Islamic Terrorists to attack the United States like they did on 9/11. Now granted, we have to bat 1.000 to make the later a reality, but it still remains the goal.
Mr. Joe on February 2, 2009 at 11:51 AM
If we can save ourselves from political correctness first!
thuja on February 2, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Indeed…they (the current generation of Euro-Dhimmis) and He (0-Bama) were the ones the Islamists were waiting for….
Hope! Change!
dmh0667 on February 2, 2009 at 11:55 AM
This time when the Muslim invaders crush Europe they can have it.
Never again will America bail-out such a lot of losers.
izoneguy on February 2, 2009 at 11:56 AM
According to POTUS 0-Gabe, those Kentuckians you’re referring to are just “typical white people”, like the recently cremated “Toots”.
dmh0667 on February 2, 2009 at 11:59 AM
I wouldn’t bet on that. England is the canary in the coal mine on that, simply because they are further down the path, and we have too many cultural similarities with the native Brits.
a capella on February 2, 2009 at 12:03 PM
I predict WW III on or about the end of this decade. Seems we are reliving the late 1930s:
- Global economic collapse.
- Rise in anti semitism
- Rise in a belief/theology that espouses that it is destined for world conquest and the subjugation of any that are not them.
- A growing militarism overseas that is ignored here in America.
- A singular individual attempting to coalesce those different groups around his persona (Ahmadinagad).
- That coalition forms an alliance with an isolated nation in the far east (N. Korea).
Anyone care to add?
kurtzz3 on February 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM
If I heard “I just hope…” from her one more time, I thought I was going to vomit. I had to terminate the conversation and walk away. She hopes another holocaust does not happen but plans on doing nothing. I have heard this from lots of Americans too. “I’d rather live as a muslim than risk my son going to fight”. Cultural death and slavery “for the children”. PUKE
clnurnberg on February 2, 2009 at 12:05 PM
I remember all the hand-wringing about the Gaza War last month, even on conservative sites.
If Bibi gets in, Israel has a chance. Kadima is finished.
It’s late-inning conversion to a defense mode did not convince the Israeli electorate.
Labor is still holding at second place, but may be overcome by the surge of Avigidor Lieberman’s party Beitanu. Those are some hard-asses! About half are Russian immigrants and they don’t follow the Kimbaya line at all. Bibi and Lieberman promise to take a VERY hard line on Iran, to the point of annihilating their nuke facilities if needs be. That’s a bit different from Obama’s spinelessness.
With our Presidente Zero facing this possible Israeli parlimentary lineup, I believe that Israel has a fighting chance to tell the incoming administration to drop dead if they start that phony land-for-peace crap again. It sure didn’t work for Gaza, and back then the Americans made all sorts of promises to Israel. So Israel left Gaza totally, got over 9000 Qassams into southern Israel as a present and the UN is currently subsidizing and backing Hamas, while we Americans stupidly give the Hamas-hiring and vehemently antisemitic UNRWA over 50 million per year.
The majority of Americans will back Israel, since, unlike Obama and his buddies, we still remember that large hole in lower Manhattan.
TexasJew on February 2, 2009 at 12:09 PM
Without a head.
Johan Klaus on February 2, 2009 at 12:09 PM
It’ll take one or two more major terrorist events to light the fire. If the European jihadists are smart they will sit back and let the political Muslim takeover proceed, but I don’t think they are that patient. The creeping anti Semitism wil be much more successful if done within PC boundaries, using the EU and UN as proxies.
a capella on February 2, 2009 at 12:11 PM
probably aborted them
MarkTheGreat on February 2, 2009 at 12:12 PM
This time when the Muslim invaders crush Europe they can have it.
Eastern Europe won’t go so easily, they were nearly under that yoke far too many times to give up without a fight. The pansies in the west, not so much.
Bishop on February 2, 2009 at 12:12 PM
I thought your headline was referring to the prez’s smoking habit.
Fuquay Steve on February 2, 2009 at 12:14 PM
The past is helpful to examine now, but we aren’t living in the past. The difference is that we are going to end up with one global system–because technology has made a smaller world. We have to get this one war right.
thuja on February 2, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Yep. And, Barry, with his finger in the wind, will respond to negative polling. Also, the public response of SA, Egypt, Jordan, etc., to an Israeli effort to take out Iranian nukes will be telling. They want it done almost as badly as israel.
a capella on February 2, 2009 at 12:17 PM
They are probably klinging to each other to keep warm. Watch for planned parenthood to get involved in the coming weeks and months.
Fuquay Steve on February 2, 2009 at 12:17 PM
While I’m personally willing to write Israel the moral equivalent of a blank check on Hamas, I’m not so hopeful about the majority of my fellow citizens. The Gazans voted for Hamas and so really the option with a chance to work is de-Islamification. It’s not going to be pretty.
thuja on February 2, 2009 at 12:21 PM
thuja on February 2, 2009 at 12:21 PM
Yes, the Gazans did vote for Hamas. And that is why we should not be rebuilding Gaza right away so as to hand a victory to Hamas and just wait for the next wave of terrorism which will result in Israel having to knock it all down again with even more death and destruction.
As our mothers taught us, “you make your bed, now lie down in it!”
TexasJew on February 2, 2009 at 12:25 PM
This might be of interest. I tried to call him but the phone line was busy. Got this today.
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=87757
sheebe on February 2, 2009 at 12:25 PM
And once Obama is elected, he will move to the center to govern.
Johan Klaus on February 2, 2009 at 12:29 PM
If we’re in any position too.
hawkdriver on February 2, 2009 at 12:31 PM
sheebe on February 2, 2009 at 12:25 PM
That’s VERY deep into Alex Jones territory… I’m sure he’s headlining it right now.
Of course, the schmucks who vote for Hastings are probably so stupid that they couldn’t find out how to eat if it weren’t handed out to them on a free government chow line.
So that would actually be a good thing for them… free sausages and Unicorns! With lollipops!
Of course, the rest of us in Second Amendment-land have over 100,000,000 guns – end of issue.
TexasJew on February 2, 2009 at 12:34 PM
I’m confused.
First this blog criticizes Obama for talking with Abbas when Abbas is very anti-Hamas. Now it’s criticizing Yurp for… I don’t even know. The EU maintains sanctions against Gaza and considers Hamas to be a terrorist group. What the hell is Yon yabbering about. So the Yurpeans criticize Israel once and a while and somehow that’s a precursor to the Holocaust?
AJB on February 2, 2009 at 12:37 PM
Actually, even more simply, if we stop giving Hamas everything they need on the civilian side, they will have to make a choice between starving with missiles or actually trying to improve their own economy.
I’m sure Hamas would go with the former…but perhaps the average Gazan’s mind might change about how desirable government by Hamas is…
18-1 on February 2, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Was what ran through my mind as well. That is true.
sheebe on February 2, 2009 at 12:38 PM
“Confused” doesn’t even begin to describe your state.
progressoverpeace on February 2, 2009 at 12:41 PM
It is not our place or duty to rebuild Gaza at anytime.
Johan Klaus on February 2, 2009 at 12:41 PM
Who told you that? Newsflash: there are millions of Europeans currently living in homes that they or their parents stole from the families of murdered Jews. (Btw, hat’s not just in Germany, but all throughout continental Europe.)
And THESE are the same folks who are telling Israel they should more compassionate to the people who are trying to kill and disposess them today.
logis on February 2, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Actually, one of the causes of the resurgance in European anti-Semitism is that it gives them a way to mitigate their own crimes.
Essentially, if the Israelis have become like the NAZIs, it is less of a singular crime that the Europeans tried to exterminate them a few generations ago.
This is also one reason that European try to hard to find American “war crimes”. Yes we may have like 6 million Jews (and about 6 million Slavs, Catholics, etc) but you Americans killed 6 million Iraqis!
18-1 on February 2, 2009 at 12:49 PM
Yeah, I’ve never understood with all the oil money in the Middle East why it was Israel’s or our job to rebuild Gaza. Didn’t they get an entire flower growing industry of a region and Jewish dollar to the tune of about 15 million to back it? Oh, that’s right, they must have used the money to buy rocket to shoot from the same gift land to shoot right back at the Israelis.
hawkdriver on February 2, 2009 at 12:49 PM
I’m confused.
I agree, you are confused.
Bishop on February 2, 2009 at 12:51 PM
Yes, confused. We are not required to support Fatah because they don’t get along with Hamas. The Brownshirt and Blackshirt Nazis had a rivalry too, and it would have been a wrong to support either of them.
forest on February 2, 2009 at 12:56 PM
Moral equivalency in a nutshell: “If no one is good, then nothing I do can ever be bad.”
logis on February 2, 2009 at 1:02 PM
If only it were just once in awhile.
1) It’s continuous.
2) They continuously ignore the evil done by the Palestinians.
3) They provide material support to those actively engaged in killing Jews.
MarkTheGreat on February 2, 2009 at 1:04 PM
I’m confused.
First this blog criticizes Obama for talking with Abbas when Abbas is very anti-Hamas. Now it’s criticizing Yurp for… I don’t even know. The EU maintains sanctions against Gaza and considers Hamas to be a terrorist group. What the hell is Yon yabbering about. So the Yurpeans criticize Israel once and a while and somehow that’s a precursor to the Holocaust?
AJB on February 2, 2009 at 12:37 PM
I cannot oppose Obama talking to Abbas as a feint to isolate Hamas, but it should be remembered that Abbas fully supports his own terror organization, which had a major hand in terrorist acts killing over 2000 Israeli civilians in bombings during the Clinton era, that is, until Israel built the wall, which Europe, of course, totally opposes. Calling him a “moderate” is a scam. Abbas is finished in Gaza, and Europe is on the verge of actively supporting Hamas under the guise of “humanitarianism”.
Obama is full of Clintonian/Condaleeza Rice “land for peace” scaminess, but the Israeli public is through with that is probably is in the process of throwing out the last remnant of the Labor-Kadima disaster – a remnant of that era. The peaceniks’ dream to re-partition Jerusalem is finished (the ultraorthodox Shas Party is now supporting Netayahu for that very reason, although Shas has previously proven to be bribe-able by Kadima), and the relatively peaceful West Bank will not be seeing its settlements abandoned to be handed over to Abbas (or Hamas) if a Netanyahu-Lieberman coalition is in place.
Land-for-peace was attempted in Gaza, and over $100 million dollars of infrastructure (including beautiful greenhouses, homes and industrial facilities) was pointlessly vandalized and destroyed by the idiot Islamists and stupid Gazans. Then they used the wreckage as cover to shoot rockets into Israeli kindergartens. What worthless crap!
Israel is a western-style democracy under a terrorist siege, and Europe is so terrified of their home-grown Islamists that they are relieved to throw their long-time Jewish communities under the bus, so to speak. Spain is currently wavering, and the Europeans are ready to shovel hundreds of millions of Euros back into that cesspool, which will only strengthen Hamas.
Just watch this link from a Gaza demonstration last year – it is proof positive just how pathetic the Europeans are:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97hyDRjdXCE
Enjoy watching the future of Europe…
TexasJew on February 2, 2009 at 1:08 PM
Just wait–they’ll try to outdo us by electing a head of state with a Muslim name!…Oh, wait…
jgapinoy on February 2, 2009 at 1:12 PM
Just watch this link from a Gaza demonstration last year – it is proof positive just how pathetic the Europeans are:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97hyDRjdXCE
Enjoy watching the future of Europe…
TexasJew on February 2, 2009 at 1:08 PM
Correction:
I meant exactly a month ago – 1/2/2009
Watch the whole thing it just gets worse and worse.
Demonstrations like this have also caused damage to and attacks on Jewish homes, synagogues and even Jewish kids on their way to school. In Sweden last month, a large Jewish demonstration – peaceful and with a permit – was attacked by an Arab counterdemonstration. The poilice chief told the Jews and their supporters to leave, while allowing the illegal violent Islamists to continue throwing rocks and firecrackers at the Jews.
Watch it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqZtJlG3zso
Moreover, the high court in Sweden even recently said it was OK for Imams in Sweden to continue to call for the actual murder of Jews, even in Sweden, and calling them “decended from dogs and pigs”, but not for “Islamophobic” statements by Swedish Jews or Gentiles.
The European police always just stand by, without guns or mace or anything, and just let it happen. I can’t call that an accident. The Europeans are living in fear and are cowardly. I don’t think our new President can instill much courage in people who are facing this Islamic threat. Israel will have to be brave, all by herself.
TexasJew on February 2, 2009 at 1:27 PM
The trouble with discussions of Islam and anti-Semitism is that people with strange deeply disturbed beliefs post all sorts of theories which are not empirically supported. It enables the pacifists to paint us as lunatics, and the pacifists have been successful. Obviously, there is freedom of speech and obviously even in commercial ventures like HotAir, there is extreme reluctance to quiet any voice. (I was even a little concerned about the banning of Olaf here, but the management has not made banning a habit.)
At the very least, I would suggest not blaming European spinelessness now on some direct continuation of Nazi-ish anti-Semitism. The left won in Europe after the fall of the Nazi regime. While there is certainly some crude anti-Semitism on the left, it’s not what is motivating their current ideas. If we could force Thailand and Israel to change places, the European pacifists would find ways to vilify the Thai Buddhists and would appease the Thai muslims. It’s just the way pacifists are. They can’t resist licking a thug’s jack boot.
thuja on February 2, 2009 at 1:40 PM
Then why did those countries join the European Union?
aengus on February 2, 2009 at 1:55 PM
There’s Geert Wilders.
aengus on February 2, 2009 at 1:56 PM
thuja, well said.
The Left have won and are winning in Europe, people earlier asked about Sarkozy and Merkel, well I refer to Sarkozy as Sarkozy the socialist, because he is one, even more with his pillow talk with someone who protects extreme left wing Italian terrorists. Basically anyone that you see defined as Centre right or right is to the right of the extreme left, it does not mean that they are conservative in an shape or form…
The USA has now made the same choice, your recent election was between an extreme left and a centre left, you are going the same way as us.
And finally there are some Europeans like me who say never again means never again, if only I was in my 20′s I would go to Israel to fight, words yes, but I wish I could help Israel. I am fed up with the spineless idiots in control of us wasting money and criticising Israel, however I did see more support for Israel this time, though I do not expect this EU anti-Hamas attitude to continue.
Yes the USA will get involved in the coming civil war in Europe, you will be bombing me standing at a barricade with a flintlock rifle rather than the AK 47 equipped Jihadists, I know whats coming and I expect no help from the USA, sadly, that shining beacon on the hill is having its own fall, just like Britain has had with our own hope and change that started in 1997 and look at us now.
Some of you hate Europeans like me, sorry, I however grew up reading about how my country stood up to the previous bunch of Jew hating fanatics, the spirit that lead US airborn troops to cross the Rhine to save British troops surrounded at Arnham, and while I see the same traits in those wonderful soldiers that did the business in Iraq, some of the posters here should be ashamed of themselves, your soldiers would come to the aid of us Brits if they could, I am sure of that.
We are losing but we have not lost yet, soon the fighting will start, its getting closer.
TrueBrit on February 2, 2009 at 1:57 PM
.
Liberals only love the Jews if they are Victims. This is why they elevate the Jews of the Holocaust (movies etc) but despise the modern Israeli Jews.
In the Liberal teachings in our public school system if you defend yourself you are no longer a victim, you are equally if not more responsible, for the fight. If you are assaulted by another student and in your own defense you cause more damage than the kid who started it – it is considered a disproportinate response. If you witness a fight & try to jump in to stop it you are now an equal participant in the fight & will receive punishment for getting involved.
This wrong-headed policy – called Zero Tolerance- is what is being taught to our kids, why are we surprised when this mindset applies to the adult world?
batterup on February 2, 2009 at 2:04 PM
I’m not backing liberals here…but…that side of the political spectrum has historically been more inclined to get involved in foreign/world affairs than the right, e.g. WWI, WWII, Vietnam.
Today? I’m not sure. I’m inclined to believe they’d pursue intervention in Europe if it was a politically expedient choice.
thequeball on February 2, 2009 at 2:06 PM
It’s not complicated. Read Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and The American Left by David Horowitz. What goes for the American Left goes for the European Left. They see radical Islam as their last, best hope of bringing down the free market democracies of the west. And because the left dominates the media and academia, they’re able to brainwash millions of poorly informed people, who would be less hostile to Israel if they were given the facts.
EnglishMike on February 2, 2009 at 2:11 PM
And it’s coming faster and faster in the UK:
UK: Taking Photos of Police Officers Could be Considered a Crime
UK: Whitehall Data-Share Plan Extends ‘Snooper Britain’
Note to the UK: 1984 Was a Novel, Not an Instruction Manuel
And in France:
France: Officials Sacked After Sarkozy Hears Jeers
Dare not criticise
heroyalwhyness on February 2, 2009 at 2:22 PM
If Iran wants to kill all the Jews then why hasn’t it liquidated it’s own Jewish population. Why is there a Jewish MP in the Iranian parliament who has criticized the Iranian leader and lived? Iran has a terrible regime with an odious ideology but the evidence is that they would not use nukes as soon as they are able. They have rockets that can reach Israel… why aren’t thy flying now? According to Yon they should be.
Israel is much better than Iran. Absolutely. But let’s be honest about what the problems of the regime are without making up threats. Iran uses militant proxies against its enemies… we have been doing the same in Iran just as long and, in the case of Saddam’s Iraq, with much more effect than anything they could manage. Iran is problem which we need to face and contain but Yon isn’t really suggesting anything in his article other than falsely labeling the Iranians nazis and rolling out the usual WWII stuff.
Yon’s analysis on Gaza is completely one sided. He ignores the fact that Israel continues to expand settlements into the West Bank (so much for lawful Israel) and cites the qassam rockets as an act of war but what about all the Palestinians killed and injered by Israeli settlers? Israel and Hamas both violated the ceasefire. It was not Hamas alone. Israel violated the terms with its full blockade and targeted assassinations. Hamas decided to keep lobbing rockets at Southern Israel.
Again, this is not to say that Israel is as bad as Hamas or that we should not support Israel’s quest for security. It seems that Yon conveniently forgets core issues which need to be acknowledged for any meaningful discussion about the problems of the Near East to be properly addressed. Why Yon decides to attack Europeans on the Hamas issue is beyond me. I can’t think of one European country that supports Hamas or does not support Israel. It seems there is a competition to label one side or the other Nazis and it is schoolyard rubbish.
lexhamfox on February 2, 2009 at 2:25 PM
Part of me wants to tell Europe to take care of itself, and leave us out of it.
Then I think of Poland and the Baltic states, and the rest of Eastern Europe and I start reconsidering- except, considering the geography, if Western Europe goes under, and Russia threatening from the East I just don’t see how effective the US could even be in protecting Eastern Europe.
Once again Geography and History and combining to rape Poland.
Part of begins to wonder if it wouldn’t be better for Eastern Europe to seek somekind of accommadation with Russia now while the pressures aren’t as bad.
Sackett on February 2, 2009 at 2:25 PM
“Yon reminds us that we remain allied with Israel for good reason: they provide freedom and liberty for their people in a region where neither are found in abundance.”
Not for long.
davod on February 2, 2009 at 3:21 PM
In Europe, they would have referred to themselves as the “Communist” and the “Socialist” candidates.
That makes Europe very easy to poke fun at. But it also makes you a lot more honest.
logis on February 2, 2009 at 3:46 PM
lexhamfox on February 2, 2009 at 2:25 PM
So Israel is trying to defend itself against a murderous enemy that is totally committed to destroying every last Jew in the world and thinks that lobbing 9000 rockets into Israel, targeting civilians and children in schools.
Then Hamas hides behind their own civilians, puts huge weapon reserves under crowded apartment buildings and hides their scumbag leadership in bunkers beneath large hospitals full of sickand wounded people.
For me, the Israelis couldn’t kill enough of those bastards.
And the Jews in Iran are living in a very tenuous existance.They have been murdered before and that MP is seriously scared for his life and has said so. I know lots of Iranian Jews,and your statement is totally ignorant.
More than 90% were forced to flee over the years, even though that community is well over 2000 years old – a thousand years before Mohammed. For now, the Islamists are content just to kill hundreds of thousands of Bahai and Zoroastrians. That will end, someday, and the Jews will be lined up again for theft and torture. And they know it. Most all of them are keeping a back door open to family in Israel and even LA.
Your arguments are for shit, but then again, all of the “on the other hand” arguments in this conflict always seem to be.
TexasJew on February 2, 2009 at 3:57 PM
You ain’t just whistling “Dixie”.
JimC on February 2, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Paul Berman in Terror and Liberalism attributes this liberal tendency to ignore evil, or pathological movements like Hamas/Islamism to their belief that everything makes sense in the world. It asks so little of us to assume that Jews or neocons are oppressing Muslims, and that their movement is one of political grievance; it is too far removed from their belief system to acknowledge an irrational, evil movement that exists on its own merits–no one caused it.
PattyJ on February 2, 2009 at 5:16 PM
It’s just more of the ‘those who don’t learn from the past are destine to repeat the errors of the past’. The current generations in both Europe, USA and elsewhere have little knowledge of horrors of WWII and the Jewish holocaust therefore deja vu all over again.
docdave on February 2, 2009 at 5:31 PM
The point you’re obviously missing is that the muslims want to eliminate the country Israel with those jews that are independant from them. Throughout history muslims have always tolerated others AS LONG as they were subservient to them. Jews and other infidels were always welcomed as defacto slaves.
docdave on February 2, 2009 at 5:38 PM
Actually, the picture is not so clear.
WWI was indeed Wilson’s little Progressive Jihad and Vietnam was JFK* and LBJ’s baby.
WWII was more complicated. Contrary to popular opinion, FDR was the more isolationist candidate in 1940 – promising not to send American boys to fight in foreign wars. Mind you he was doing this while “illegally” attacking German submarines in the Atlantic, so he was flat out lying.
*Had JFK lived, he would be the hated architect of Vietnam today in liberals’ minds.
18-1 on February 2, 2009 at 9:15 PM
“Never again” was in reference to the liberation.
Don’t feel bad, it’s a surprisingly common misunderstanding.
29Victor on February 2, 2009 at 9:29 PM
Comment pages: 1 2 Next »