He thinks that his adolescent fantasies are reality.
notagool on February 3, 2009 at 10:14 AM

I’m sure that’s 100% true of every moonbat loser in every coffee shop in America.

But how could those rose-colored glasses stay on for even ten seconds into Obama’s first call to Abbas from the Oval Office?

I quit listening to Obama’s speeches a long time before everyone else finally did. But I would very much like to have heard that phone call. His autobiographies explained absolutely nothing about the man, but that one conversation would answer a thousand questions.

He thinks that his adolescent fantasies are reality.

He thinks he is such a genius that he can persuade the most dangerous thugs and rogues to hum kumbaya with him.

That’s why HE is the most dangerous man in the world.

He just may bring an end to civilization.

All because of an ego fed based on a looney premise.

Andy in Agoura Hills on February 2, 2009 at 6:35 PM

Don’t get mad at me, I didn’t write the diplomatic policies of the U.S. and of the international countries…this doesn’t fall into any where near violating the Logan Act.
If you remember, Bush knew Obama’s people had met with Iraq, and he understood it not to be a conflict.

I wish people would stop spouting on about some illusory “international law”.

progressoverpeace on February 2, 2009 at 10:03 PM

When most talk of “international law”, it is referring to an international understanding.
If you went to Australia’s diplomatic core and talked about “track 2″ discussion, they would know exactly what you meant, as well as Sweden, Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc. It is internationally known, and written into the diplomatic “lingo” of every country. It is, in essence, part of international law…that is law and language that is consistant between countries.
Here is a little article for you guys to read and help you understand.

At the inter-group or international level, the term encompasses a number of different terms: “track two diplomacy,” citizen diplomacy, “multi-track diplomacy,” supplemental diplomacy, pre-negotiation, consultation, interactive conflict resolution, back-channel diplomacy, facilitated joint brainstorming, coexistence work.

Examples:

The recent high-profile visit of a fairly large delegation of Indian parliamentarians, journalists and others to Pakistan to participate in a seminar at Islamabad organised by a non-governmental media organisation has been hailed by many as a good example of track 2 diplomacy in action to contribute to an improvement of the relations between the two countries.

Track 2 diplomacy in Asia : Australian and New Zealand engagement / by Brendan Taylor, Anthony Milner and Desmond Ball

Even this guy, who is seeking “inter-galactic” track 2, so he even takes it to a celestial understanding.

Dr Salla (joint founder of GalacticDiplomacy.com) has conducted research and fieldwork in the ethnic conflicts in East Timor, Kosovo, Macedonia, and Sri Lanka, and organized successful ‘track two diplomacy’ and peacemaking initiatives involving mid to high level participants from these conflicts.

Class is dismissed, please take some time and do your reading assignments, if there are any questions, please see me after class.

There is no such thing as “international law”. We have treaties that we have signed onto (which do not constitute any sort of “international law”, as they are just contracts), but when none of the signatories to these treaties actually follow them (as with the Geneva Conventions) they are just jokes that we are not bound to follow, either.

I wish people would stop spouting on about some illusory “international law”.

progressoverpeace on February 2, 2009 at 10:03 PM

Last time I checked we were bending over backwards to follow this one.

If it was good enough for President George W Bush than it is equally as prudent to call the Czar of the White Marxis……

American diplomatic law dovetails with international law…this is what is defined by both the U.S. diplomatic law and international law…look it up.

right2bright on February 2, 2009 at 3:38 PM

There is no such thing as “international law”. We have treaties that we have signed onto (which do not constitute any sort of “international law”, as they are just contracts), but when none of the signatories to these treaties actually follow them (as with the Geneva Conventions) they are just jokes that we are not bound to follow, either.

I wish people would stop spouting on about some illusory “international law”.

Remember when Obama wouldn’t pipe up during the Israeli conflict prior to taking office? How he couldn’t be forced to make even a peep about the tough issues while George Bush was still in office? How he kept mum about the specifics of the …

Russia invaded Georgia( though I don’t know if Mccain people encouraged Georgia to provoke Russia or Russia decided to do this on its own, because Obama had a rare misstep on this occasion.)

After reading this post, I don’t think Georgia was responsible for any part of this thing; I believe the reports that it was all Russia’s doing, and engineered by Russia, from the get-go:

The Truth About Russia in Georgia (Michael J. Totten)

promachus on February 2, 2009 at 6:54 PM
promachus on February 2, 2009 at 7:13 PM

Interesting read!

While telling the Citizens that he supports our military by announcing the so called increase in military spending..

Obama is dupliciteous alright ..
he is doing one thing over here
and a completely opposite thing over their

trying to have it both ways..

Just like a liberal
they want to surrender to the islamists
but keep their freedoms intact (at least until they empty out whats left of the treasury)..

Both parties are making me ill now..
Republicans because they let in every theif and then handed them bailout money all the while every bank was on back of the train going over the cliff

The democrats because
a. they want to surrender
b. they forced the banks to loan to every illegal alien in the northern hemisphere
c. when that fiasco blew up all the dems like cockroaches
blamed then president Bush.
d. Now their up to their rotten necks kissing everyones ass

I hope we arent destroyed because of their folly

if it were you or I “preparing” … we would be in jail.

Sounds like a violation to ME.

uncivilized on February 2, 2009 at 6:34 PM

spot on.

Suddenly after the midterms, there is a widespread discussion of Bush being a lameduck in the press. The way it was spread, it was pretty clear somebody was pushing it from behind and giving out a loud siren to foreign potentates not to deal with Bush.

Paul Wolfowitz was ambushed out of office by a planned coup from Mulloch Brown and other Eurocrats( who seem to have close association with George Soros.) This was watched by near silence in the US press. We now know IMF head the similar allegations against him, but a mere apology sufficed from him. With the Paul Wolfowitz scandal, France and Britain try pretty hard to prise the control out of the World Bank(the power to nominate its President) out of the US. They tried to do the same thing during the initial stages of Lehmann collapse but somebody conveniently brought the complaint against IMF head at the right time. France got the message and backed down.

Many neocons are forced out of office and defenestrated one by one, either willingly or by bogus withchunts. Once the Chief of Staff asked for voluntary resignations, a lot of Bush-loyal staff resign leave him.
This particular defenstration is a logical result of the Dems taking control of the Congress but it created a vaccuum in Bush’s command which sets the stage for Obama’s arrival.

Stage 2. Obama’s candidacy just begins to take off and here’s where things suddenly begin to go wrong, very oddly, one after the other.

Turkey invades Kurdistan and according to a news item, someone from high was leaking information to Turkey.

Iraq’s PM begins to go rogue(according to a newsreport, even State Department was worried). This was during the Iraq-US agreement. We already have a report from Amir Taheri, that when Obama went there, he tried to undermine the administration. Not only that, he also has a lot of backchannels like Nadim Auchi which can take care of Iraq. During the visit, Iraq PM suddenly takes a position congruent to Obama during the campaign leaving Mccain looking like a fool.

Not to mention Lebanon(where the progress achieved by the neocons is reversed) or Palestine which is like Obama’s backyard.

Russia invaded Georgia( though I don’t know if Mccain people encouraged Georgia to provoke Russia or Russia decided to do this on its own, because Obama had a rare misstep on this occasion.)

More ominously, Obama takes the position that Pakistan should be attacked with with limited strikes, a position at odds with Mccain and not taken seriously anywhere else and suddenly when Obama starts talking about it during the campaign, drone strikes against Pak do happen cutting ground from underneath Mccain’s feet and making Obama look like a prescient thinker. We get to know later that the Administration signed a secret order for limited strikes but my theory is that Bush wanted to go after Syria and Iran and the CIA went after Pak( and to quell suspicion did one-off strike against Syria and leaked the order to press.)

After the Palin pick is announced and Mccain matches Obama in polls for the first time, Lehmann collapses and what do you know, the man who had the biggest hand it, Tim Geithner, is named the head of Treasury because of “continuity” without really explaining why he let Lehmann go, when AIG was propped up a week before. All he had to do was quietly squelch Lehmanns deals from happening from behind the scenes. We do know that Geithner’s father and Obama’s mother knew each other from Indonesia, so these two could know each other from childhood.

A couple of insane theories like “decoupling” and “Post-american world” are shot into cultural sphere encouraging bad behavior from power all around. For example,a number of EU club who belong to Soros set must have thought that this was a golden opportunity to throw off American yoke. So they take steps to put pressure on American economy as much as they can. remember US dollar was under severe pressure from Euro and Bush had to send an actual envoy to stop them. Their central banks and other financail institutions took a number of credit decisions which were described as insane by their commentators. I think I know what happened. They tried to put max.pressure on American economy blithely thinking their is chiefly decoupled. Hence, the joy expressed by German finance minsiter, immediately after lehmann collapses. After the immediate confusion, British PM steps in and proposes bank nationalisation which Paulson goes on to do. The eurocrats only find out later that nothing decoupled with anything at all. I don’t know what part Obama played in this instance with European powers but he seemed to be in the loop. He coolly stayed out of the mess and watched as Mccain flailed in strategy. The European powers back down from their campaign only when Obama announces he is not much intersted in US losing its control of the world financial system.

I am sure there are other things that passed me by. I am just an armchair dreamer but this is how things must have happened. Now, we know about these secret negotations with Iran and Syria, we already ahve Taheri’s story about Iraq( but I think Obama’s meddling was much greater), we have to look for evidence in other cases.

Don’t let this go with just mock outrage. Obama’s whole candidacy is one huge subterfuge.

Read the posts and you will see your “law” mentioned, and the answer to why it doesn’t apply.

right2bright on February 2, 2009 at 6:12 PM

You know what? I really don’t care about YOUR opinion. Considering the Logan Act is pretty clear in its intent and meaning, my opinion is just as valid. As for international law, it doesn’t mean sh!t. Treasonous behavior is pretty damn easy to spot. You don’t need a lawyer’s convoluted brain to figure it out. Anybody that runs for president and makes end runs around the Constitutionally legal government is a traitor and should be frog-marched up to a brick wall and shot. That will prevent future fvcktards from doing the samething.

The Logan Act, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953, states:
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without
authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any
correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or
agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States,
or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply, himself or his
agent, to any foreign government or the agents thereof for redress of any injury
which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or
subjects.

Sounds like a violation to ME.