Ultimate heart-ache: Palin supports the stimulus? Update: Or does she?

posted at 2:00 pm on February 1, 2009 by Allahpundit

The same stimulus that head RINO John McCain opposes for its porkiness?

Most Republican governors have broken with their GOP colleagues in Congress and are pushing for passage of President Barack Obama’s economic aid plan that would send billions to states for education, public works and health care.

Their state treasuries drained by the financial crisis, governors would welcome the money from Capitol Hill, where GOP lawmakers are more skeptical of Obama’s spending priorities.

The 2008 GOP vice presidential nominee, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, planned to meet in Washington this weekend with Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky and other senators to press for her state’s share of the package.

In fairness, there’s a difference between supporting a bill on the merits and agreeing to accept funds from a bill you oppose that’s destined to pass anyway. Jindal, for one, freely admits that he’d have voted against the bill in Congress but will take the money to help Louisiana. No sense standing on principle when it won’t do any good, right?

Right?

The most outspoken critic has been South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford, who has warned for months of a steep spike in inflation and a severely weakened dollar if Obama’s plan passed. His state is on track to receive $2.1 billion of the stimulus money; Sanford has not yet said whether he would accept it.

“It’s incumbent on me as one of the nation’s governors to speak out against what I believe is ultimately incredibly harmful to the economy, to taxpayers and to the worth of the U.S. dollar,” Sanford said in an interview. “This plan is a huge mistake and is going to prolong and deepen this recession.”…

Associates say Sanford, who recently was elected chairman of the Republican Governors Association, has been disappointed in how few of his GOP colleagues have joined him in speaking out against the size and scope of Obama’s plan.

See Flip’s latest graphic for a handle on that size and scope. Exit question one: She was instantly forgiven for supporting amnesty and TARP. No biggie on this either, right? Exit question two: I’m getting yet another demerit on my conservative permanent record for even pointing this out, aren’t I?

Update: Commenters are yelling at me for (1) knocking Palin for supporting TARP when I supported it myself and (2) supposedly misrepresenting her position on the bill. First: I’m not knocking her for supporting TARP. See, e.g., NRO’s David Gitlitz on how TARP might well have saved the financial system. I brought it up here to illustrate how she gets a pass for heresies that lesser conservatives get hung for. Second: Quoting from above, “In fairness, there’s a difference between supporting a bill on the merits and agreeing to accept funds from a bill you oppose that’s destined to pass anyway.” I.e. I wasn’t suggesting she loves the bill on the merits, or that she’s suddenly a fan of trillion-dollar spending outlays. My point was that, like Jindal and unlike Sanford (maybe), she’s willing to accept federal spending as a way of kickstarting the economy provided it’s directed to “good” projects. I thought the grassroots conservative position on economic recovery was for the feds to either do nothing or do it all through tax cuts. Am I mistaken?

For the record, here’s a statement from her office dated January 12 emphasizing her opposition to earmarks in the stimulus. And here’s the conclusion of her letter of January 7 to Alaska’s congressional delegation urging fiscal responsibility in the final bill:

Although it is beyond my purview as Governor, I also urge you to consider how the economic stimulus package will affect the national debt and the future economic health of the country. The need for economic stimulus should not become an excuse for the continuation of the unsound policies of the past. The nation’s economy will never achieve long-term stability if we continue borrowing hundreds of billions of dollars from foreign countries, all the while Simultaneously sending huge amounts of money overseas to OPEC countries for oil that could be produced domestically. In this regard, I am astounded by amounts of a trillion dollars and more that are currently being discussed in some quarters.

I believe our nation is truly at an economic crossroads. Properly constructed, the economic stimulus package will greatly assist in sending our country down the right road. Without question, you will be called upon to make very difficult decisions on behalf of Alaska and the nation, and I want to assure you of the cooperation of my administration in achieving the best possible result.

Thanks to commenter INC for those links.

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I guess none of you “true conservatives” will ever accept/admit that perhaps you and Limbaugh have been wrong in your demonization of John McCain all these years. He’s certainly not perfect, but he’s more conservative than either George Bush.

funky chicken on February 1, 2009 at 3:50 PM

really … conservatives vote against supply side tax cuts now?

joey24007 on February 1, 2009 at 3:54 PM

both taking the pork
joey24007 on February 1, 2009 at 3:48 PM

Where did you get that from? Sanford never said that, he said he was thinking about it. And you’re bitching about AP.

lowandslow on February 1, 2009 at 3:54 PM

However I generally do not even click on a lot of Allah posts since he likes to play devil advocate too much. I suggest he turn his ammo on the Democrats rather than savaging the conservatives and sowing dissension.

RAH on February 1, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Nothing wrong with playing devils advocate , you want the bad news facts fast so you’re prepared. But bait spinning, not so much.

the_nile on February 1, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Woah. McCain’s more conservative than W? I’d like to see that.

hockey2k5 on February 1, 2009 at 3:56 PM

Exit question two: I’m getting yet another demerit on my conservative permanent record for even pointing this out, aren’t I?

Nah, we get that she’s pretty much horrible. Message received.

It's Vintage, Duh on February 1, 2009 at 3:57 PM

Exit question two: I’m getting yet another demerit on my conservative permanent record for even pointing this out, aren’t I?

Allah, do you know who this phoney self-martyrdom I-did-no-wrong-but-go-ahead-crucify-me-airs remind me of? Nicole Wallace. Dude, you’ve turned into a Nicole. Get a life.

This has been thrashed both at Free Republic and Palin sites and we are all so exhausted that we don’t care to enlighten you. Joey is right. Hot Air is turning into garbage.

promachus on February 1, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Folks,

If uncle Hussein was knocking on your door and asking if you need money.

What would you say? Go on… say it… yes

Kini on February 1, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Allah, how dare you find fault with the messiah? Palin can do no wrong. She is above criticism. No matter how liberal she leans, no matter what dirt sticks, she is as pure as the driven snow.

keep the change on February 1, 2009 at 3:59 PM

By the way, AP going after Sarah is not such a bad thing.

AP knows that as the Left attacks our good GOP prospects like Steele, Sarah, Sanford, Jindal, and Co., it helps to keep us blog-exercising regularly for when the real tougher fights come down the road.

Thanks AP for all that TOUGH LOVE. We know you love Sarah, but you love us so much that you work us harder just like Robert Gould Shaw worked the 54th Massachusetts too.

:) Thanks you SOAB!

Sapwolf on February 1, 2009 at 3:59 PM

The people reporting this story in the first place is APObama. They’ve hated Sarah from the beginning and will do anything they can to make her look bad, especially to conservatives who thought she was one of them. They’re using Obama-like tactics to get in-fighting to an all time high.

Let’s not let it fly, shall we?

hockey2k5 on February 1, 2009 at 4:01 PM

keep the change on February 1, 2009 at 3:59 PM

Poor you.

Jim Treacher on February 1, 2009 at 4:03 PM

Sanford – Jindal 2012

churchill995 on February 1, 2009 at 3:46 PM
both taking the pork

you can make the case that Jinda’s position is the most troubling … “I would vote against it in Congress but I want the money as governor”

joey24007 on February 1, 2009 at 3:48 PM

joey, the above notes Sanford has not said he would take the funds, he at least is out front rightly criticizing the bill (as is Jindal), there is a question about the character of the various items – they are not necessarily all equivalent in terms of the degree of “pork”, and even if he would take some or all, and in Jindal’s defense of saying he would not necessarily decline it, it would be foolish to put his constituents at a disadvantage relative to those of other states in terms of what (albeit minimal and not economically justified) benefits it would provide. Net, they are head and shoulders above those not criticizing it and encouraging instead its passage.

churchill995 on February 1, 2009 at 4:03 PM

Flashback to comments on an earlier Palin thread:

now, do you distort her because you want the debate which leads to the comments? or do you distort her because you just don’t like her?
I don’t distort her. It’s the fact that people like you think she can do no wrong that leads you automatically to assume that any negative point against her is due to a “distortion.” This is exactly what I’m talking about re: the cult of personality.

Allahpundit on January 27, 2009 at 2:05 PM

So, does the “Palin supports the stimulus?” headline, when she is on record talking about the danger of borrowing this kind of money (the PDF I linked earlier talks about the “astounding” figure of a trillion $) count as “distortion?”

I’m heading over to an Ed post to ask him again to do more of the Palin posts.

His may not get the comments yours do, but they have the newsworthy advantage of being fair and evenhanded.

cs89 on February 1, 2009 at 4:04 PM

Poor you.

No, actually. Poor Palin supporters. She was an empty suit that too many people bought into. Just like Obama.

keep the change on February 1, 2009 at 4:04 PM

Actually, Allah is like TMZ when they practically stalked her at the airport and pressed her for answers. It’s that little needling here and there.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/02/01/sarah-palin-handled-with-care/

Kokonut on February 1, 2009 at 4:04 PM

I’m more surprised that she wasn’t labeled the “failed” vice presidential candidate in the AP story.

V15J on February 1, 2009 at 4:05 PM

churchill995 on February 1, 2009 at 4:03 PM

Sanford will be taking the money

everybody is playing politics

the unemployment rate in SC is jumping

joey24007 on February 1, 2009 at 4:06 PM

Jesus, you guys sound like a bunch of whiny liberals. “I’m just gonna take my Sarah Palin doll and go play somewhere else or go home and bite my pillow.”

Get over it. Not everyone thinks Palin is the be all and end all.

SnarkVader on February 1, 2009 at 4:06 PM

If I were her, I would take the money and then try to free it from federal control and spend it on what my state wanted — sort of the way she did with the “bridge to nowhere” money.

joe_doufu on February 1, 2009 at 2:56 PM

Excellent point and Jindal I’m sure is thinking along the same lines.

Palin/Jindal 2012

Sapwolf on February 1, 2009 at 4:06 PM

By the way, AP going after Sarah is not such a bad thing.

AP knows that as the Left attacks our good GOP prospects like Steele, Sarah, Sanford, Jindal, and Co., it helps to keep us blog-exercising regularly for when the real tougher fights come down the road.

Thanks AP for all that TOUGH LOVE.

Sapwolf on February 1, 2009 at 3:59 PM

Actually, I see it the opposite. I see the Left and the mass media going “see, even right-wing fascist sites like Michelle Malkin’s HotAir have the same complaints and criticisms of Sarah Palin. So she is villified by everyone.”

And when I read the comments regularly, the majority of people were either blind worshippers of Palin or expressed blind hatred of her. Didn’t see much objective analysis going on.

Michael in MI on February 1, 2009 at 4:07 PM

keep the change on February 1, 2009 at 4:04 PM

You’re a freethinker, that’s what you are.

Jim Treacher on February 1, 2009 at 4:07 PM

I’m getting yet another demerit on my conservative permanent record for even pointing this out, aren’t I?

Double secret probation for you, my friend.

It was hard during the campaign to tell where she really was on the issues. I can see several scenarios where she will no longer get my support.

Valiant on February 1, 2009 at 4:07 PM

If I were her, I would take the money and then try to free it from federal control and spend it on what my state wanted — sort of the way she did with the “bridge to nowhere” money.

joe_doufu on February 1, 2009 at 2:56 PM

actually, that was one of the reasons for the meeting … she was trying to negotiate a way for the TRANSPORTATION part of the bill to not include the strings for her state because of the weather issues they have in terms of construction times

joey24007 on February 1, 2009 at 4:09 PM

Sanford’s the real deal. He’d be a great presidential candidate for 2012. Much, much better than Palin.

funky chicken on February 1, 2009 at 3:50 PM

Yeah, some white Southern guy is ideal to show that the GOP can represent everyone in the country. I don’t like identity politics either, but get real.

Jim62sch on February 1, 2009 at 4:10 PM

This will come back to haunt Palin’s presidential chances, once the world sees this stimulus bill doesn’t stimulate a single thing, other than Chris Matthew’s leg.

iamse7en on February 1, 2009 at 3:00 PM

No it won’t. As a governor she has NO vote on the plan in the Senate or House, NONE.

Get the infrastructure money for Alaska without being for the total plan and she (and other GOP Governors, except Crist who is a RINO) plays it just right as it should be played as a RESPONSIBLE governor she is.

Sapwolf on February 1, 2009 at 4:10 PM

It was hard during the campaign to tell where she really was on the issues. I can see several scenarios where she will no longer get my support.

Valiant on February 1, 2009 at 4:07 PM

because she was the VP candidate

duh

joey24007 on February 1, 2009 at 4:10 PM

Jim62sch on February 1, 2009 at 4:10 PM

yeah … why don’t we just run Katon Dawson while we are at it?

joey24007 on February 1, 2009 at 4:11 PM

So the lefty nuts were right. She is a dunce.

Even a blind hedgehog finds an acorn once in a while.

But she’s still hot.

notagool on February 1, 2009 at 4:11 PM

You’re a freethinker, that’s what you are.

Yes, I don’t do group think, especially in such a small group. Still, how is this about me, again? The topic was Sarah Palin.

keep the change on February 1, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Get over it. Not everyone thinks Palin is the be all and end all.

SnarkVader on February 1, 2009 at 4:06 PM

No candidate is the be all and end all. I’ll leave that sort of thinking to O-bots. She’s still probably the closest out there to my own values, from what I can tell.

I just find it funny that in one breath we’re told that Palin is an insignificant loser, while so many watch her every move and analyze her every word.

ddrintn on February 1, 2009 at 4:12 PM

Nah, no need to accept money from the stimulus bill. Just wait several months down the road when gas prices will hit over $3.00 a gallon or more. And Alaska will be rolling in royalty oil payments again. Besides, Obama would like that. See higher gas prices that is.

Kokonut on February 1, 2009 at 4:12 PM

I have serious problems with this AP article. They start out by talking about MOST gop governors were pushing for passage, but the details in the article only show one who clearly did. They make it look like two others (including Palin) did as well, but the content does not support that. IF she pushed for passage, there is nothing in the article to back it up. Pressing for Alaska’s share is legitimate even if you would prefer it never pass.

Then, buried nearer the end, we have more gop governors clearly speaking out against the plan, though they may – legitimately – accept the money (after all, why let your citizens be taxed for it, but get nothing???). In short, rather than “most” gop governors pressing for passage, the article actually shows more against it!

The thing is, nothing in this article shows Palin actually pushing to pass the bill.

dabbigkahuna on February 1, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Oh well. So I don’t agree with on Palin on this issue. I didn’t agree with Bush on several issues either. No politician is going to be perfect. There are going to be disagreements. Just like the folks in the progressive blogosphere aren’t always going to agree with President Obama.
That’s life.

terryannonline on February 1, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Goodbye, Hot Air.

Jim62sch on February 1, 2009 at 2:05 PM

Jim62sch on February 1, 2009 at 4:10 PM

Wow, a little over two hours, it must have been hell.

lowandslow on February 1, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Allah, how dare you find fault with the messiah? Palin can do no wrong. She is above criticism. No matter how liberal she leans, no matter what dirt sticks, she is as pure as the driven snow.

keep the change on February 1, 2009 at 3:59 PM

Keepy,

Her words on amnesty were McCain’s. We still do not know her views on that issue. And, I doubt ANY GOP politician has a policy already studied and written down. It is way too early for Republicans to be working that issue.

If you think digging up all illegal immigrants and forcing them over the border at gunpoint, including children is a winning issue, then you need to be withheld and repeat the grade next Fall.

Sapwolf on February 1, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Yes, I don’t do group think, especially in such a small group. Still, how is this about me, again? The topic was Sarah Palin.

keep the change on February 1, 2009 at 4:11 PM

So , the bigger the group , the more you group think. Poor you.

the_nile on February 1, 2009 at 4:14 PM

joey, ever hear that story about Sanford taking two piglets labelled “pork” and “barrel” to the SC statehouse to protest the state Republicans’ overspending? This is consistent with his makeup, not merely playing politics.

churchill995 on February 1, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Isn’t this the same post as last night?

kcarpenter on February 1, 2009 at 4:15 PM

RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)

joey24007 on February 1, 2009 at 4:15 PM

keep the change on February 1, 2009 at 4:11 PM

The last of the freethinkers. The only one who can see the Truth.

Jim Treacher on February 1, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Michael in MI on February 1, 2009 at 4:07 PM

You are so right. I think we need to be fair in all aspects about the people we want to help us get back to where we should be. I think SP can take some criticism, she is strong and no reason not to listen and learn. She is still the gov of Ak, and if she was your gov you would surely want her to do her job for the people of that state. She is like every other human out there, subject to some failures and to disappoint. Never a good idea to just go with all the good and brush the bad under the carpet, isn’t that what the obamabots did?

clinker46 on February 1, 2009 at 4:16 PM

churchill995 on February 1, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Ever hear the story how Palin makes legislators come to her office to explain their earmark requests and how is she disagrees with it … she tells them to not even bother inserting them?

joey24007 on February 1, 2009 at 4:16 PM

This isn’t great. Even though it’ll likely pass, her turning down the “bridge” money and selling the jet were her selling points, proof that unlike Obama she actually has good judgment.

I’m not writing her off on this, if she’s just doing what Jindal is, but this isn’t going to help her.

Esthier on February 1, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Exit question two: I’m getting yet another demerit on my conservative permanent record for even pointing this out, aren’t I?

You know how we make fun of liberals for always managing to make themselves the victims?

Jim Treacher on February 1, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Then take into account the constant beta-male posts and one can’t help conjure images of a pallid, macro-encephalitic, microphallus-afflicted soon-to-be-unemployed dorkwad.

Stephen M on February 1, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Her words on amnesty were McCain’s. We still do not know her views on that issue. And, I doubt ANY GOP politician has a policy already studied and written down. It is way too early for Republicans to be working that issue.

If you think digging up all illegal immigrants and forcing them over the border at gunpoint, including children is a winning issue, then you need to be withheld and repeat the grade next Fall.

Sapwolf on February 1, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Rush calls her the leader of the Republican Party and yet we have NO idea what her stance on immigration is. But who cares?!?! She’s purdy.

SnarkVader on February 1, 2009 at 4:17 PM

Get over it. Not everyone thinks Palin is the be all and end all.

SnarkVader on February 1, 2009 at 4:06 PM

What does that have to do with a fake headline? I’m not getting your “unless you worship her, expect to be fed a bunch of lies and like it” theory.

Ronnie on February 1, 2009 at 4:18 PM

You know Michelle, conservatives don’t have to come to HotAir to be taunted, discourage and disheartened, they can go to any mainstream media site for that. Conservatives come to HotAir expecting the news to be presented in a fair and accurate way, often times, we just don’t get that from Allahpundit. Maybe its time for Allah to move on to some other site. That’s my thoughts on the matter, thanks for your time.

Maxx

Maxx on February 1, 2009 at 3:33 PM

good work maxx. Maybe Michelle will have a nice talk to allah and straighten him out.

ousoonerfan15 on February 1, 2009 at 3:35 PM

Allahpundit is such a pest
He never gives the ones sensitive any rest
Perhaps he’s Markos himself in disguise?
Spouting nothing but lies!

Is Allahpundit a Kos planted hero
Or maybe he just contemplates everything from infinity to zero?
But he sure has spunk
Oh bunk!
The man’s a turncoat lout
No, he’s just not one to with anyone’s talking points shout

The secret simply will not keep
For Hotair’s losing sleep
It’s time to break the spell
Won’t someone bloody tell?
Who is Allahpundit and what is he up to, do tell?

PercyB on February 1, 2009 at 4:18 PM

Maxx on February 1, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Can’t back you on this one, Maxx. While I don’t much like AllahPundit’s commentary most times, when it comes to news stories and such, he is excellent at tracking down all the info. Now, when it comes to political analysis and military analysis, I find him lacking, as I believe he allows his bias to sink into his reporting/commentary. However, HotAir isn’t a partisan site nor a military site, so I know that coming in and just choose to go elsewhere for better political and military commentary and analysis.

However, AllahPundit is one of the best on the web, in my opinion, at gathering all the info on news stories and political stories. And I appreciate his work for that alone. There are not many places to go on the web where someone gathers links to numerous sources in order to track down all the info on news stories and political stories of the day. When I want better or more thorough analysis, I choose to go to my other bookmarked sites. However, for the purposes of this site, I think AllahPundit does an excellent job and I would hope Michelle Malkin keeps him around.

Just like I did not join anyone in trying to get anyone fired from the view and instead chose to use my right to not watch the show, I’m not going to join anyone in denigrating AllahPundit either. Just choose to use your right to go somewhere else for analysis you’re looking for. There’s Power Line, Red State, Ace of Spades HQ, American Thinker as well as many, many other great right-of-center blogs who do analysis. AllahPundit/HotAir is just one of many which do their job of contributing to the news/political blogosphere.

Michael in MI on February 1, 2009 at 4:18 PM

Stephen M on February 1, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Speak for yourself.

Jim Treacher on February 1, 2009 at 4:18 PM

I do not support the whole concept of spending our way out of economic problems. However, once the decision is made in Washington to spend a set amount of money I expect my Governor (Sanford R-SC) to do everything in his power to see that the money is spent for the best possible benefit for the people of our state. I’m sure the people of Alaska expect the same from Gov. Palin.

- A commenter at Free Republic

joey24007 on February 1, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Palin can do no wrong.

keep the change on February 1, 2009 at 3:59 PM

Well with statements like that what do you expect? She’s being villified by the AP for something she may not have done. Bad enough the AP ignores her real record and failed to expose Obama’s empty record before the election. Now the AP are reporting the news when it’s still not known who she has met with and what the topic of discussion was. What’s the chances, if it occurred, that Palin met with Congressional Republican leaders to give support in their efforts to defang this crap sandwhich? Think we would ever hear about that from the AP?

Palin is indeed not perfect. Who is? But can’t we wait until she does something offensive before jumping all over her? This isn’t dKos or Huffington…. yet.

Hog Wild on February 1, 2009 at 4:23 PM

So, the bigger the group

I don’t do group think. Get over it people. You hitched your ideological trains to someone you knew nothing about, other than she didn’t have an abortion, (evidently that sealed the deal)and now you are getting all defensive and hostile when anti-Palin articles are posted, or commentators comment.

This is what will happen at DKOS in a couple of years when Obama proves himself just another politician empty suit to the liberal side of the fence. His worshipers will double down and go into siege mode and lash out at his critics. Everything the obamabots are guilty of can be found here as well.

keep the change on February 1, 2009 at 4:26 PM

Allah, how dare you find fault with the messiah? Palin can do no wrong. She is above criticism. No matter how liberal she leans, no matter what dirt sticks, she is as pure as the driven snow.

keep the change on February 1, 2009 at 3:59 PM

Some on this blog have gone topsy-turvy with their latest parlour game
They praise this Palin from night to morn
They dress themselves in a wreath of thorns as a tribute to her name
You’d think that saintly Joan of Arc had been re-born
But the jackanapes are always runnin’ round in some disguise
Who she really is, the devil only knows

And every word is bittersweet
Up is down and down is up
When with the other side for a Messiah they must compete

PercyB on February 1, 2009 at 4:26 PM

Sanford will not accept the money. He won’t have to. I predict it the bill will not pass the Senate. *gulp*

SouthernGent on February 1, 2009 at 4:27 PM

Rush calls her the leader of the Republican Party and yet we have NO idea what her stance on immigration is. But who cares?!?! She’s purdy.

SnarkVader on February 1, 2009 at 4:17 PM

Snark,

Nobody can touch that issue. Heck, even the Messiah can’t touch that one at the minute. Get real.

She’s pretty on the inside too if you haven’t noticed. And she really has a servant’s heart and loves being the gov. of Alaska.

“A Servant’s Heart” – Sarah’s campaign slogan.

Now, what about a slogan for Jindal: “Wonky Tonk Geeks Rise!”

Or, how about Sanford. Any suggetions?

Sapwolf on February 1, 2009 at 4:29 PM

Never a good idea to just go with all the good and brush the bad under the carpet, isn’t that what the obamabots did?

clinker46 on February 1, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Spot-on. Along with everything you stated prior to this line.

I think we all (right and left) need to stop our borderline idol-worship of *any* politician. Some may be good people, but, in the end, they are nothing but all flawed people and flawed politicians. Some are better than others, but none are perfect, none are worship-worthy.

We can all appreciate their good points, praise their past good works, give a hearty ‘hear hear!’ on things they say and do with which we agree and strongly disagree and fight them on things with which we disagree. However, the irrational hatred and irrational worship of any politician on any side of the aisle needs to stop.

Every politician needs to be held to account and the rule for politics, based on hundreds of years of history, should be that all politicians are corrupt scumbags with a hidden personal agenda until proven otherwise. No politician should be trusted. None.

These people are not celebrities, they are public servants. It is their *JOB* to do as we want them to do. When they do something good, they are not to be praised and adored and worshipped. They are to be reminded that what they did was simply what they were *supposed* to do and if they think they’re going to get praised, think again, you did your job, now continue doing it as you’re *supposed* to.

Politics is not some pop culture American Idol game show cult contest. And we *all* need to stop treating it as such. It is a f***ing job. They are *our* servants, not the other way around.

And none of us should give a darn if they look like Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt or if they look like Helen Thomas and Michael Moore… so long as they do their damn jobs. Which is to serve *us*, We, the People.

All this idol-worship does is give these public servants huge egos and a bloated sense of self worth and self importance. The fact is none of these shlubs is any better than the rest of us. The only thing separating them from most of us is money and knowing the right people (just look at Obama’s successful rise. Look where he built himself, from his donors to his shady associates. He’s no better than any other Black man, except he knew the right people and had enough money).

Michael in MI on February 1, 2009 at 4:30 PM

It looks like what she is trying to do is say yes the bill is good if it contains a lot of infrastructure projects that create jobs. She can say she is for the stimulus package but not for the pork, right? I think that is what the Republicans in Congress want. I think she is smarter than being given credit for here.

Murkowski said there’s been “a lot of discussion about specific projects,” but that “we honored the directive that this not be a Christmas tree” decorated with individual spending projects that might be derided as pork. Obama and leaders from both parties emphasized that they would not allow earmarks.

That said, a recent meeting of Murkowski’s Senate Environment and Public Works Committee was devoted to talking about projects that would be appropriate for a stimulus bill, Murkowski said. She has also made a case for funneling money for stimulus-type projects to the Denali Commission, which has a history of constructing large infrastructure projects in Alaska.

http://www.adn.com/news/government/story/666837.html

Sven on February 1, 2009 at 4:30 PM

She is a republican governor. And republicans are nothing more than lesser democrats, so why wouldn’t she have her hand in the till as well?
Why would any of you expect anything different?
It won’t be until you all realize that republicans are sell outs, and a republicrat by any other party name is still a republicrat, all the same, that we can put together a Libertarian fiscally responsible party in washington.

paulsur on February 1, 2009 at 4:30 PM

I don’t do group think.

Oh , so now your changing your tune.

Get over it people. You hitched your ideological trains to someone you knew nothing about, other than she didn’t have an abortion, (evidently that sealed the deal)

You don’t think you overgeneralize a bit?

and now you are getting all defensive and hostile when anti-Palin articles are posted, or commentators comment.
keep the change on February 1, 2009 at 4:26 PM

Give us some facts of what she’s done wrong , and not second guessing speculation. No one has gotten smeared as much as palin in such a short time.

the_nile on February 1, 2009 at 4:31 PM

I don’t do group think. Get over it people. You hitched your ideological trains to someone you knew nothing about, other than she didn’t have an abortion, (evidently that sealed the deal)and now you are getting all defensive and hostile when anti-Palin articles are posted, or commentators comment.

This is what will happen at DKOS in a couple of years when Obama proves himself just another politician empty suit to the liberal side of the fence. His worshipers will double down and go into siege mode and lash out at his critics. Everything the obamabots are guilty of can be found here as well.

keep the change on February 1, 2009 at 4:26 PM

Well, we will await your announcement of your own exploratory committee and your own eventual candidacy.

ddrintn on February 1, 2009 at 4:32 PM

that we can put together a Libertarian fiscally responsible party in washington.

And smoke dope and stuff.

Bishop on February 1, 2009 at 4:32 PM

he is excellent at tracking down all the info

He’s demonstrated a completely lack of abiilty on that with regard to the Christian faith, so I don’t see him as being beyond failure when it comes to poltiics either.

aikidoka on February 1, 2009 at 4:32 PM

joey, ever hear that story about Sanford taking two piglets labelled “pork” and “barrel” to the SC statehouse to protest the state Republicans’ overspending? This is consistent with his makeup, not merely playing politics.

churchill995 on February 1, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Who cares? He will take the money like every other governor. He has to. The rest of the country’s unemployment is at 7.5% and SC is at 9.5%.

Sanford has no choice but to take the money.

The question is whether or not Sanford or Palin are fiscally conservative enough that they will spend the money on necessary items instead of artwork and such.

I know you may think Sanford is such a fiscal conservative, and he is, but he has the same issues as many other governors.

His state is millions upon millions in debt, unemployment is skyrocketing, roads are crumbling and Americans are looking for a handout, which is why they voted for Obama.

If they do not take the money and Obama’s stimulus does not work, then it is the fault of the governor’s for refusing the stimulus.

If the stimulus fails, and it will, and governors have put the Obama plan into action, then it is Obama’s fault.

Governors do not get a vote on the stimulus, despite what Allahpundit and the media are want you to think.

kcarpenter on February 1, 2009 at 4:32 PM

Ever hear the story how Palin makes legislators come to her office to explain their earmark requests and how is she disagrees with it … she tells them to not even bother inserting them?

joey24007 on February 1, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Got a link?

cs89 on February 1, 2009 at 4:32 PM

She is a republican governor. And republicans are nothing more than lesser democrats, so why wouldn’t she have her hand in the till as well?
Why would any of you expect anything different?
It won’t be until you all realize that republicans are sell outs, and a republicrat by any other party name is still a republicrat, all the same, that we can put together a Libertarian fiscally responsible party in washington.

paulsur on February 1, 2009 at 4:30 PM

another victim of the hotair drive by Palin hit squad

what is it like to be so uninformed?

joey24007 on February 1, 2009 at 4:33 PM

I’m not a big Palin fan, but many of you are wrong on this one.

The gov is going to dole out money (whether you like it or not). It will dole out either confiscated money from your state’s taxpayers or borrow the money. Either way, the money will be spent. A governor has no choice but to stand at the trough and play the game.

Until you change the game, you have to participate in it (or get yours). Same goes with earmarks.

nottakingsides on February 1, 2009 at 4:33 PM

joey24007 on February 1, 2009 at 4:16 PM

joey, that’s great. That being said, she’s not out front on this one like Sanford. I don’t work for his campaign, and I don’t have a link to it on my posts either. It’s a long way until Campaign 2012 starts in earnest the day after the mid-terms in 2010. I am nowhere near making up my mind who to support. Just a relatively independent observation on my part, at least for now.

churchill995 on February 1, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Who put out the troll bait?

fogw on February 1, 2009 at 4:34 PM

It looks like what she is trying to do is say yes the bill is good if it contains a lot of infrastructure projects that create jobs. She can say she is for the stimulus package but not for the pork, right? I think that is what the Republicans in Congress want. I think she is smarter than being given credit for here.

There is nothing in this bill that is good.It all provides government solutions and that is socialism.

You want to do something that will actually stimulate the economy? Then support a suspension of the capital gaains tax. That will grow the GDP by 3% by the end of the year, and will have a quicker effect on correcting the direction of the economy that anything else will.

paulsur on February 1, 2009 at 4:34 PM

Or, how about Sanford. Any suggetions?
Sapwolf on February 1, 2009 at 4:29 PM

“You big dummy!”

Bishop on February 1, 2009 at 4:34 PM

Got a link?

cs89 on February 1, 2009 at 4:32 PM

sure do

JUNEAU — For more than a week, state lawmakers have been filing into Gov. Sarah Palin’s office to explain themselves.

The lawmakers have hometown projects they want to fund — everything from road improvements to baseball batting cages. And they’re hoping Palin won’t veto them as she did last year.

The meetings, open to reporters, offer an extraordinary glimpse into the state budgeting process as well as the tenuous relationship between the governor and leading lawmakers.

At stake are about $70 million worth of items lawmakers resurrected from a $231 million list of projects Palin cut last year, saying they didn’t qualify for state money in her book.

The vetoes infuriated many lawmakers, who said they felt Palin blindsided them.

Now the Republican governor is displeased that legislators are trying again to fund part of last year’s wish list by padding what’s known as a supplemental budget.

So she has the veto ax in hand and is ready to strike again.

joey24007 on February 1, 2009 at 4:35 PM

The gov is going to dole out money (whether you like it or not). It will dole out either confiscated money from your state’s taxpayers or borrow the money. Either way, the money will be spent. A governor has no choice but to stand at the trough and play the game.

I am sorry, but I have to call this what it is. This is a loser’s mentality.
If you let the feds have what they want, they will take as much as they can get. This wil drive the deficit up even more. In doing so, it will drive the value of the dollar down even more, as they print more money to pay for it. This will drive infaltion up for you and I even more. Is that what you are willing to accept? You need to fight them on every penny tooth and nail.

paulsur on February 1, 2009 at 4:37 PM

Yeah, some white Southern guy is ideal to show that the GOP can represent everyone in the country. I don’t like identity politics either, but get real.

Jim62sch on February 1, 2009 at 4:10 PM

Dip his fucking head in shoe polish, stretch his eyes, and stick a yarmulke on his head, and have him campaign with his boyfriend. That’ll make him ok.

JiangxiDad on February 1, 2009 at 4:38 PM

You want to do something that will actually stimulate the economy? Then support a suspension of the capital gaains tax. That will grow the GDP by 3% by the end of the year, and will have a quicker effect on correcting the direction of the economy that anything else will.

paulsur on February 1, 2009 at 4:34 PM

Exactly. And can’t that be done right away? They can do that *now* and then discuss about any other “stimulus” packages they want to do after that is put in place. Every Republican should be on record suggesting that and saying that is a must prior to any agreement by them to discuss a “stimulus”. Palin should be saying that, Sanford, as well as every single Republican Congressman/Senator. But they’re not, because they are all playing politics, instead of fighting for what is right.

Michael in MI on February 1, 2009 at 4:38 PM

Sanford will not accept the money. He won’t have to. I predict it the bill will not pass the Senate. *gulp*

SouthernGent on February 1, 2009 at 4:27 PM

We can dream.

ddrintn on February 1, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Sapwolf on February 1, 2009 at 4:29 PM

It’s a civil servants JOB to touch these issues.

She shows no leadership on immigration. I love her so much, but she has shown zero leadership on that issue.

blatantblue on February 1, 2009 at 4:39 PM

In her first year as Governor she flat out vetoed crap without consulting the pork masters.

Now at least she gives them a chance to explain.

Sarc:
Yeah, that sounds just like someone who would support this bill outright huh?

joey24007 on February 1, 2009 at 4:39 PM

She shows no leadership on immigration. I love her so much, but she has shown zero leadership on that issue.

blatantblue on February 1, 2009 at 4:39 PM

well in all fairness, I don’t think that issue comes up much in Alaska

and I don’t recall Govs. Perry or Crist becoming leaders on the issue (states with illegal immigration problems)

joey24007 on February 1, 2009 at 4:41 PM

You want to do something that will actually stimulate the economy? Then support a suspension of the capital gaains tax.

paulsur on February 1, 2009 at 4:34 PM

We can also support Republican majorities in both houses of Congress, as well as a Repulican in the White House. A little late for that. The Democrats won.

ddrintn on February 1, 2009 at 4:41 PM

AP needs to go. This site is quickly devolving into Huffington/Kos hyperbole.

But then, Liberty is dead.

Does any of this really matter…?

klickink.wordpress.com on February 1, 2009 at 4:41 PM

well in all fairness, I don’t think that issue comes up much in Alaska

and I don’t recall Govs. Perry or Crist becoming leaders on the issue (states with illegal immigration problems)

joey24007 on February 1, 2009 at 4:41 PM

I understand, but if she’s going to be our main gal, I want to see some leadership on that issue.

blatantblue on February 1, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Exit question two: I’m getting yet another demerit on my conservative permanent record for even pointing this out, aren’t I?

Obviously. It’s all about aspiring to be Koz, now. Try to keep up.

Tanya on February 1, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Who put out the troll bait?

fogw on February 1, 2009 at 4:34 PM

HEH! Allahpundit Did the Dirty Deed.

Kini on February 1, 2009 at 4:42 PM

klickink.wordpress.com on February 1, 2009 at 4:41 PM

HA wouldn’t be without AP.

blatantblue on February 1, 2009 at 4:42 PM

From the article I linked above on vetoes and accountability:

“I’ll start with the next big one, the Anchorage Museum, $5 million,” he said.

The money is needed for maintenance, he said, noting a leaky roof that threatens artwork.

“Who’s paying for that Lego thing up front, that statue?” Palin asked.

joey24007 on February 1, 2009 at 4:43 PM

JiangxiDad on February 1, 2009 at 4:38 PM

You forgot “label him a Moderate Republican, and emphasize reaching out to undecided voters.”

cs89 on February 1, 2009 at 4:44 PM

I understand, but if she’s going to be our main gal, I want to see some leadership on that issue.

blatantblue on February 1, 2009 at 4:42 PM

yeah … lets give some time … hell after Obama grants amnesty it might not matter as much

joey24007 on February 1, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Obam-Palin 2012! We dared to hope for change in 2008. Now that we have reached that state it is time for voting for harmony. Cue song “Reunited” as Sarah takes the stage with Obama.

Bradky on February 1, 2009 at 4:45 PM

How many of you have actually contacted your senators to demand that they submit a bill in concert with the house that suspends captial gains immediately?
If you don’t contact them, and you are not specific, and we are not all in concert, then they ain’t going to do it are they?

paulsur on February 1, 2009 at 4:45 PM

joey24007 on February 1, 2009 at 4:44 PM

I hope she comes through on it

I’ll be so disappointed if shes another open borders politician

blatantblue on February 1, 2009 at 4:46 PM

I choose the wrong day to return to HA. I see that Allah is trapped in a time warp and its ground hog day all over again. I visited to get a palate cleanser and see that the proctologist was giving free exams. Allah, it must get tiresome to stand still for months and months. You have become boring and predictable.

Your NY resolution should have been to improve your fact checking and leave the snarkiness to those who don’t use it daily. It is refreshing that way – otherwise it gets real old and tiresome. I’m just sayin’

Fuquay Steve on February 1, 2009 at 4:46 PM

Mark Sanford is the truest elected conservative in this country. Across the board. He gets it. And he’s not a Johnny Come Lately. Look at his congressional record. I have no idea why people aren’t prepping him for 2012.

therightwinger on February 1, 2009 at 4:47 PM

It appears that Gov. Sanford is the ONLY governor who is going to back away from this money, if indeed there is any money once the final bill is passed. The only mistake made that I can see (and it’s been made by almost all of them) is saying you’ll take the money. Politicians should not comment on what doesn’t exist. Particularly ones with nation aspirations. But as rookie mistakes go Gov. Palin and The One are running neck and neck.

Cindy Munford on February 1, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Look,

Many people here on HotAir who criticize Sarah supporters totally misunderstand why she has such loyal and strong support.

Some of her support is because her policies overlap with conservative positions on budget, government reform, pro-life. Others like her family and her servant of the people characteristics. Other like her because she is most like us.

Honestly, I find I come to her defense simply because she is an American middle-class mother and seems to be a nice person.

When you start unfairly attacking her, I come to her defense as a human male protecting the female as I react the way the Creator made me to react. My loyalty is not solely because she reformed ethics in Alaska, ran a surplus and planned for the future, because Piper slicked Trig’s hair back on national TV at the convention.

When a man comes to the defense of a woman who is unfairly attacked, the only reaction of a reasonable man is to counterattack and protect her. Not because she cannot protect herself, but because this is the what men do when their women (American women) are attacked. I cannot explain it fully, but when I defend a woman this way it is almost like it is the essence of manhood. Possibly a misplaced machismo, but it is the way I was raised.

She is like a sister to me. Attack her, and me and others will swoop down like angels from above and valiantly fight for her.

It’s just what some of us do. I cannot help it, although I could have disagreements with her views or tactics.

Sapwolf on February 1, 2009 at 4:50 PM

You hitched your ideological trains to someone you knew nothing about, other than she didn’t have an abortion, (evidently that sealed the deal)and now you are getting all defensive and hostile when anti-Palin articles are posted, or commentators comment.

I know plenty about Gov. Palin–she has an outstanding track record of accomplishment as a Governor, a mayor and on the state’s Energy Commission.
There’s quite a bit more to her than just her living endorsement of being pro-Life!
She talks the talk and has proven that she walks the walk.
She enjoys an approval rating in her state around 75+%.

This is what will happen at DKOS in a couple of years when Obama proves himself just another politician empty suit to the liberal side of the fence. His worshipers will double down and go into siege mode and lash out at his critics. Everything the obamabots are guilty of can be found here as well.

keep the change on February 1, 2009 at 4:26 PM

You’re right, but not in the way you say–there was nothing in 0bama’s background that pointed to him being a successful Commander-in-Chief.
Nothing.
54% of the voting public chose him because he was black, he was for “hope and change” and it was “the cool thing to do” to vote for him.

Jenfidel on February 1, 2009 at 4:50 PM

paulsur on February 1, 2009 at 4:45 PM

Thanks for the tip, I will write and call again. They are sick of hearing from me anyway.

Cindy Munford on February 1, 2009 at 4:51 PM

But as rookie mistakes go Gov. Palin and The One are running neck and neck.

Cindy Munford on February 1, 2009 at 4:49 PM

I wouldn’t go that far. With all the tax evasions and crimes surrounding him, he’s certainly got a head start.

Esthier on February 1, 2009 at 4:51 PM

Many of you amaze me. You rallied behind Mitt Romney (because talk show hosts did) at the end of the GOP Primary season. Mitt Romney, who I like, was a well documented moderate Governor. You ignored it because you take your lead from radio personalities. The truth is nobody can live up to their standards, including Palin. Their standards aren’t really standards, they’re narratives designed to create good talk radio, not good policies. The funny thing, you’ll forget she wanted the money, if she’s there in 2012 and those same hosts are backing her.

AYNBLAND on February 1, 2009 at 4:52 PM

joey24007 on February 1, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Haven’t seen upinak in a while, do you have any info?

Cindy Munford on February 1, 2009 at 4:52 PM

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