Iran to Obama: Your willingness to talk proves your weakness

posted at 6:15 pm on January 31, 2009 by Allahpundit

Like CJ says, that fist sure looks clenched.

US President Barack Obama’s offer to talk to Iran shows that America’s policy of “domination” has failed, the government spokesman said on Saturday.

“This request means Western ideology has become passive, that capitalist thought and the system of domination have failed,” Gholam Hossein Elham was quoted as saying by the Mehr news agency.

“Negotiation is secondary, the main issue is that there is no way but for (the United States) to change,” he added.

Surprised by the knock on capitalism from jihad HQ? Don’t be. The enemy of Iran’s enemy is its friend, which is why they’ve buddied up to anti-American socialist regimes via the Nonaligned Movement with a special emphasis on Chavez. International opinion matters, especially to Democrats, and digs at capitalism help advance Iran’s cause internationally even if they’re not exactly a raison d’etre for Islamic fundamentalists. (See also Bin Laden talking up Noam Chomsky and dumping on corporations in his last video message.) The significance of this isn’t that they’re using The One’s outreach to their own ends; self-aggrandizing propaganda is what Islamists do, after all, which is why Israel kicking the hell out of Hamas for a few weeks somehow gets spun as a Hamas victory. The significance is that it shows how obsessed the regime is with the perception that it’s winning its ideological battle with the west, to the extent that even rare attempts at rapprochement from the U.S. are sneered at as crude concessions of defeat. Like I’ve said before, that bodes very, very ill given how much national pride they’ve invested in the nuclear program. How can they make a deal with America to give up nukes when they’ve built their identity on defiance of America? Why, it’s practically a national slogan.


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Dreadnought223 on January 31, 2009 at 9:42 PM

Don’t forget the activation of sleeper cells here in the US.

That too, would have a paralyzing affect.

c3ichief on January 31, 2009 at 9:59 PM

But China?

SteveMG on January 31, 2009 at 9:50 PM

China has made it clear they desire in the long term a free hand in the Indian Ocean region, as well as all of coastal East Asia.

Unlike Russia, Europe or for that matter the United States, China can accept a huge economic loss and return to a more rough existence for a while. The new Chinese middle class and the oligarchs may not like it, but the CCP and the Army have dealt with this sort of thing before. They have the population to deal with losses and setbacks that we’d never imagine.

China would like to see at three superpowers, China, Russia and the West (us) so long as they are on par with all. Our being kicked to the curb in the region levels the playing field a good bit. They understand this.

coldwarrior on January 31, 2009 at 10:01 PM

This can’t end well. Iran wanted a war monger to rage against for their domestic political consumption…I can hear the Iranians now: you want us to feel threatened by “The One” why whats he going to do redistribute our sunny outlooks on Life…Death To America! Death To Israel! where is rage boy? Last seen he was volunteering for ACORN LOL! Oh the Mullahs they don’t know the power of the master of lowered expectations….

Dr Evil on January 31, 2009 at 10:02 PM

They have the population to deal with losses and setbacks that we’d never imagine. – coldwarrior on January 31, 2009 at 10:01 PM

Head of nail……

……… meet Hammer!

Seven Percent Solution on January 31, 2009 at 10:09 PM

Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel’s leading candidate for prime minister, said Saturday that Iran “will not be armed with a nuclear weapon.”

In an interview with Israel’s Channel 2 TV, Netanyahu said if elected prime minister his first mission will be to thwart the Iranian nuclear threat. Netanyahu, the current opposition leader and head of the hardline Likud party, called Iran the greatest danger to Israel and to all humanity….

Here’s the link to the AP column.

INC on January 31, 2009 at 8:46 PM

I read that as well. I hope the new prime minister does win. Israel shouldn’t have pulled out of Gaza. They should have kicked tail and gone on to bigger fishes. If Iran, does get nukes by the end of this year. Then all humanity would be in danger.

sheebe on January 31, 2009 at 10:09 PM

coldwarrior on January 31, 2009 at 10:01 PM

It opens Taiwan up for China with very little effort on their part. But, that was going to happen anyway as the barriers for investment and business interactions between the two are falling. That said, it will still present a political problem for the US as it regards Japan and South Korea, which is already seeing North Korea become more aggressive. Japan is making plans to change their constitution to allow for a bigger and more aggressive military.

genso on January 31, 2009 at 10:11 PM

coldwarrior on January 31, 2009 at 10:01 PM

Nature abhors a vacuum. The political boundaries have been shifting around since the collapse of the USSR. You think maybe we’re getting set for a major shift and then some stabilization? I wouldn’t rule out India as a big time player.

Oldnuke on January 31, 2009 at 10:12 PM

Our being kicked to the curb in the region levels the playing field a good bit. They understand this.

Hmm, I’m not sure.

An unstable Middle East with a more dominant Iran means a higher oil price for them (and everyone else). They are hugely dependent on Middle East oil (we import about 20% of our oil from there).

They want stable oil and a stable US to buy their goods from.

They may be doing what you say; but it doesn’t make sense to me.

Now as to Moscow, a 4-year old can see what Putin’s up to.

SteveMG on January 31, 2009 at 10:12 PM

US President Barack Obama’s offer to talk to Iran shows that America’s policy of “domination” has failed……….

Wonder what these chaps feel about that………

Seven Percent Solution on January 31, 2009 at 10:13 PM

Don’t forget the activation of sleeper cells here in the US.

That too, would have a paralyzing affect.

c3ichief on January 31, 2009 at 9:59 PM

Don’t forget it would also stifle international trade as well with the two biggest trade route choke points (the Suez Canal and the Malacca Straits) being effectively controlled by Islamic nations. The Panama Canal probably wouldn’t be affected, but I wouldn’t put it past Hugo to try something in South America under the cover International Chaos. But if he did he would probably find that Columbia and Brazil would gang up on him and kick his ass.

Dreadnought223 on January 31, 2009 at 10:14 PM

As for Russia, they are having dire financial problems of their own. They are moving on private business in order to finance a rebuilt military. Not this year, but soon enough, they might feel the urge to expand their circle of influence. China won’t stop them, they are becoming more heavily invested in South America and Africa. Europe will do their usual nothing and the UN will approve. Without a strong US, NATO will sit on their hands.

genso on January 31, 2009 at 10:16 PM

US President Barack Obama’s offer to talk to Iran shows that America’s policy of “domination” has failed, the government spokesman said on Saturday.

“This request means Western ideology has become passive, that capitalist thought and the system of domination have failed,” Gholam Hossein Elham was quoted as saying by the Mehr news agency.

“Negotiation is secondary, the main issue is that there is no way but for (the United States) to change,” he added.

Look,, Obama.. if he is true to his word,, has got to come out and agree with this little midget from Iran. Awwwkmaaadeeenweeenmajaaad is only repeating back to Obama what Obama has said!! America has got to change,, capitalism has failed, yada yada yada. See,, Obama needs to just sit down and write this guy a letter or pick up the phone and leave a message straight from his Marxist heart.

I can see him saying,, “Hello,,, this is President Obama calling from the Office of the President Elect,,,wait,, uhh, that’s not right,, uhh, ,, I mean the Oval Office,,, uhh,,,, I just wanted to say, Yes, I agree. We have common enemies, uh, uhh,,, but I am working hard from uhh, 9 or 10 in the morning to 5 or so to change America,,, uhh, rid it of capitalism and profits (except for whatever I can bring in with my new trade mark line) and, uhh, uhh, change our foreign policy so, uhh,,,, our troops are no longer air raiding villages and killing civilians.

In fact, uhh, just the other day I proposed a %10 cut in our military. And, uhh,,,, that will be just a good first step. So, uhh, I have heard, uhh, from my Vice President, Mr Biden,,, you were once a community organizer like myself. And, uhh,,,, many of our friends have, uuh, some,, uhh, things in common.

So, uhh, if we could talk,, and uhh,,,, if you came to visit,,,, well, I will uhh,,, I am sure we’d have some good laughs and stories to share about,, uh,, the past. So, you have nothing to fear from me,,, don’t worry,, we’re not a Christian nation anymore either. Those rumors just aren’t true! So,, uhh, Lets be friends, OK? Lets get together and uhhh, I was told it gets hot in Iran,, so I’ll crank up the thermostat. Make sure the White House is nice and toasty for you! I,, So,, uhh, call me soon. “

JellyToast on January 31, 2009 at 8:36 PM

Awesome Post JT.

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 10:18 PM

Nature abhors a vacuum.

Oldnuke on January 31, 2009 at 10:12 PM

I see people use this quote all the time and I often wonder if its true, why is space a vacuum. :-)

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 10:24 PM

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 10:24 PM

Don’t know, but it seems that nature hates it all the same.

genso on January 31, 2009 at 10:26 PM

The Iranians will have a difficult time selling America as Threat to all the people inside of Iran- who already want to be like Americans. Obama is doing a head trip on Ahmadinejad. Obama: Let’s talk uh um er we could get together maybe have some er uh um coffee, you like coffee don’t you? Oh and maybe some Pie…..I can’t watch, he just did it to our entire country. It’s like when someone puts their hand out and crooks their index finger to come it’s okay it’s safe but they are holding a club behind their back. Oh now I get it! This is Hillary Clinton’s first term:)

Dr Evil on January 31, 2009 at 10:27 PM

thomasaur on January 31, 2009 at 9:58 PM

Maybe we all better take into consideration that we are the delusional ones. Between the hopeychangey folks and the jihad it’s like alternate universes.

Cindy Munford on January 31, 2009 at 10:29 PM

I thought this was going to go bad, but not this fast! I tried to list every gaff, every misstep, every blunder, and every other assinine move this administration has made in its first 10 days, and I don’t think that I can remember them all.

I’m sure that Carter is saying “Thank God for this new guy.”

DrStock on January 31, 2009 at 10:29 PM

SteveMG on January 31, 2009 at 10:12 PM

As for China and Middle Eastern oil, I suggest giving this a read…Fueling the Dragon.

A noteworthy quote: “A key driver in China’s relations with terrorist-sponsoring governments is its dependence on foreign oil to fuel its economic development. This dependency is expected to increase over the coming decade.”

On the surface, as perceived by many Third World countries, China is not a threat, not an imperialist nation such as the United States, nor a thundering military threat such as the former Soviet Union. They are “nice.” Kindred spirits. That sort of thing. The Darfur “problem” would have been fixed years ago, except for China and its investment in Sudanese oil exploration and infrastructure, to cite one example. Their trade with Iran…each washing the other’s back as other players fight for use of the bathtub.

China as guarantor of a more stable Middle East is an easy sell in many of the regions executive mansions or parliaments. There participation in the multi-national counter-piracy flotilla in the past month is an indication they wish to be not just a player, but a player with the bona fides to influence other events…and to counter India, as well as the US in the region.

A lot hinges on how other countries perceive the United States and the possibilities of the United States no longer being able nor willing to be a guarantor of anything.

There was a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth when Reagan was President in many quarters in the region…and to a more limited extent with President Bush…but those who depended on us as a guarantor knew we would live up to our committments. Today? What guarantor?

Thus the equation is vastly different just in the past 12 days.

coldwarrior on January 31, 2009 at 10:29 PM

coldwarrior on January 31, 2009 at 10:29 PM

Interesting, but it doesn’t seem to factor in the effects of a strong US as regards China’s behavior in the Middle East. While you do not see the same hatred in the streets in the Middle East against China that you see with the “Great Satan,” China has its own problem with muslim extremists. What they also have is a policy of no-quarter. While I agree that the Chinese people are mostly “kindred spirits,” the Communists still rule and the military is as strong as ever. They are trying to build their economy. This, more than anything, has made them a better citizen around the world. But don’t be disillusioned, a financially and militarily weak US is of no use to the Chinese.

genso on January 31, 2009 at 10:41 PM

There participation in the multi-national counter-piracy flotilla in the past month is an indication they wish to be not just a player, but a player with the bona fides to influence other events…and to counter India, as well as the US in the region.
coldwarrior on January 31, 2009 at 10:29 PM

India v China is the next big cold war that’s brewing. Especialy as both countries begin to compete more directly in the global economy for resources and markets for their manufactured goods and services as well as control of vital trade routes through south east Asia and the Indian Ocean.

Dreadnought223 on January 31, 2009 at 10:54 PM

I see people use this quote all the time and I often wonder if its true, why is space a vacuum. :-)

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 10:24 PM

Heh, space is full of stuff all moving around trying to displace something else. The only true vacuum exists only in a laboratory…or between Obama’s ears.

The quote actually refers to the terrarium that is our Earth. Every niche in the ecosystem yearns to be occupied. If a species goes extinct then other species vie to fill that niche or new species develop to occupy that particular void.

Oldnuke on January 31, 2009 at 10:56 PM

genso on January 31, 2009 at 10:41 PM –

No, a financially weak is of no use to the Chinese under its present composition, and its ambitions to grow its economy and further improvements to its infrastructure.

However, a militarily weak United States is something that the Chinese military desires…for two strong reasons. The first, should it come to blows with the United States, over Taiwan, for example, having a weak US makes it easier for China to offer a fait accompli to the United States, the reintegration of Taiwan into China. Second, having a weak United States military means resources dedicated to maintaining a +3 million man PLA could be directed elsewhere. Since the 1980′s, China made a firm decision to grow from a land army to a more multi-role military, and most importantly grow a blue water fleet and submarine force. This costs money. Trade with the US helps finance this growth. Trade with the United States also offers the illusion that China is a peaceful nation, thus foreign capital investment in such projects as the Three Rivers Gorge dam was an easy sell for China. After all, if the United States, in the 1990′s was the leading trade partner with China, then it must be OK to send investment funds to China or open broadscale trade with them.

But to an extent you are correct, China’s focus on its economy not only remains strong, it is the major consideration for the leadership in Beijing.

That said, however, China can push back many of its grand schemes for a national emergency, and still rely on the US and the West to continue to pour money into China. After Tienamen, the conventional wisdom held that the US, Europe and the rest of the world would scale back investment in China to show our disdain (short of war) for the attrocity of Tienamen. That lasted about a month. Then, back to normal and then some.

China, since the 1970′s, has engaged in internal triangulation…the business class/middle class/oligarchs vs. the PLA vs. the Chinese Communist Party. Too much spent on the business class, and the PLA took offense. Thus the CCP moved with speed to turn the PLA from a Korean War Era armed forces into a recognizable 20th Century army, and now a 21st Century army. If either the army or the business class moved in concert against the CCP, which is not likely to happen in the near term, the CCP would be powerless to do much other than try to buy off either one and in turn crush the remaining opponent.

This is the daily dynamic of Chinese domestic policy.

As it pertains to foreign policy, keeping the PLA happy and the business class happy means the CCP is happy….and China overall is happy. A billion-and-a-half happy Chinese is no easy task.

Foreign investment is key. But, since our own economy is somewhat tattered China can look elsewhere, even going to barter trade if need be in the Third World for their needs, the huan being an artificial currency anyway, such is basically happening already, and demanding payments in hard currency is the norm today, but don’t rule out strict barter as a means of foreign trade if the economy in the US tanks completely.

Yes, there is a growing Muslim problem in China…China’s refusal to repatriate the Uighurs from Gitmo is a clear signal that China has an Uighur problem at home, as one example. But, China is ruthless in dealing with internal dissent. Sending in a few brigades of Han soldiers to Uighur lands is the usual way China goes about crushing dissent. Use another ethnicity to crush the dissident ethnicity.

One of the downsides to China’s opening to the rest of the world and building its infrastructure and adding new technologies is that until the 1980′s most Chinese had a very small appeture to view the rest of the world. Today that minute appeture has grown to a large window.

Once the Chinese people get a view of the outside, then it is difficult to put the genie back in the bottle.

In the end, whatever it takes to keep the CCP and the PLA in charge in China is the bottom line.

coldwarrior on January 31, 2009 at 11:08 PM

I see people use this quote all the time and I often wonder if its true, why is space a vacuum. :-)

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 10:24 PM

Dark matter. There is no vacuum.

coldwarrior on January 31, 2009 at 11:10 PM

“No, a financially weak is of no use to…”

…financially weak United States is of no use…

(Try to type with a 13-year-old 15 pound cat competing for the keyboard. he hates to be ignored.)

coldwarrior on January 31, 2009 at 11:12 PM

Dark matter. There is no vacuum.

coldwarrior on January 31, 2009 at 11:10 PM

Virtual particles.

progressoverpeace on January 31, 2009 at 11:15 PM

Dreadnought223 on January 31, 2009 at 10:54 PM –

Given that India presently has the third largest military in the world, China being first, the United States second, and having a growing population of 1.1 billion…yep, there’s a bit of competition going on between India and China…with India fast developing a broadly educated consumer class.

Other than the US, India is the only thing stopping China from turning the Indian Ocean into a Chinese lake. India is the major contractor/developer for the next generation/class Russian all-weather multi-role fighter. Russia lacks the technologies (and funding) to do it alone, and India, fearing China, and being unsure of having any other country exchange such high-tech platforms with India looked for an old ally…and found a willing one at that. And yes, India is looking out for India and triangulating the US and other countries en masse or individually to achieve its goals. Can’t really blame them.

Herein lies a problem for the Obama and Hillary Weltanschauung versus such a global view based on realities not just hope and change…or sub-regional focus alone.

coldwarrior on January 31, 2009 at 11:23 PM

On the plus side…neither China nor India desires to see the Indian Ocean litoral turned into an Islamacist-only playground.

coldwarrior on January 31, 2009 at 11:25 PM

In the end, whatever it takes to keep the CCP and the PLA in charge in China is the bottom line.

coldwarrior on January 31, 2009 at 11:08 PM

And, right now, that means keeping the economy growing. I agree with everything you have laid out and, in fact, you have proven my points to me and I regret that I did such a poor job. As to Taiwan, they will vote to become a Chinese state within the next 10 years if nothing is done militarily by China, IMHO. Already business is beginning to flow between the two as China seeks investments and Taiwan businesses look for new opportunities. Because China would still like to have our consumption, they are likely not to try to take advantage of us now, however, if the socialists take over more and more here and us into a Japan of the 90′s, then perhaps you might see them become less and less interested in keeping us afloat. The protectionism leaking from the Obama team is definitely not a good indication. IMO, Japan and S. Korea are in more peril from a weak US than Taiwan.

My cat thinks she can type as well.

genso on January 31, 2009 at 11:29 PM

Heh, space is full of stuff all moving around trying to displace something else. The only true vacuum exists only in a laboratory…or between Obama’s ears.

The quote actually refers to the terrarium that is our Earth. Every niche in the ecosystem yearns to be occupied. If a species goes extinct then other species vie to fill that niche or new species develop to occupy that particular void.

Oldnuke on January 31, 2009 at 10:56 PM

Was just giving you a hard time Oldnuke. But I had never though about the space between Omama’s ears, that is indeed the perfect vacuum. It must have something to do with the vortexes created by such large structures moving through the atmosphere.

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 11:31 PM

and us into a Japan of the 90’s

“…and turn us into a Japan of the 90′s,

Sorry

genso on January 31, 2009 at 11:32 PM

genso on January 31, 2009 at 11:29 PM –

Excellent points, all. The last thing China wants is another Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act…and Obama seems to be leaning that way.

coldwarrior on January 31, 2009 at 11:32 PM

As for Japan, I have to believe somewhere in Japan among the business gunbatsu someone is saying “Damn, don’t those Americans understand that such intervention simply does not work?”

As for South Korea…as we live they live, as we plummet, they will plummet as well.

coldwarrior on January 31, 2009 at 11:37 PM

The last thing China wants is another Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act…and Obama seems to be leaning that way.

coldwarrior on January 31, 2009 at 11:32 PM

Its frightening to think that the war for our trade policies is being fought between the lobbies from the labor unions and global companies like Caterpillar and GE.

genso on January 31, 2009 at 11:37 PM

And GE and Caterpillar are both experiencing huge losses, and have begun major layoffs already. The trade war has already begun, and Obama and company are still trying to arrange the dinner plates.

coldwarrior on January 31, 2009 at 11:39 PM

As for Japan, I have to believe somewhere in Japan among the business gunbatsu someone is saying “Damn, don’t those Americans understand that such intervention simply does not work?”

As for South Korea…as we live they live, as we plummet, they will plummet as well.

coldwarrior on January 31, 2009 at 11:37 PM

In both cases I think they understand what is happening and they’re scared to death. You didn’t see much about it in the media, but for Japan to change their constitution as regards their military is huge. N. Korea is already testing Obama and that scares me.

genso on January 31, 2009 at 11:41 PM

And GE and Caterpillar are both experiencing huge losses, and have begun major layoffs already. The trade war has already begun, and Obama and company are still trying to arrange the dinner plates.

coldwarrior on January 31, 2009 at 11:39 PM

The optimism on Wall Street was that Obama would act to help the economy recover a bit before he began playing socialist. As one can see from the market reaction these past two weeks, they have been abused of that optimism in short order.

genso on January 31, 2009 at 11:43 PM

genso on January 31, 2009 at 11:41 PM –

That change in the Constitution, that very few American media outlets have covered, means that Japan can develop a blue-water Navy, and create Air Self-Defense Forces bomber units with ability to venture outside of Japanese airspace.

When there is actually a growing segment of Japan favoring such, it is a good indication that Japan no longer sees the United States as a committed defense partner, and that not only North Korea is a threat but other actors in the region are as well.

coldwarrior on January 31, 2009 at 11:45 PM

From the Middle East to the Inland Sea…just goes to show that there are implications and consequences for each and every utterance from the Obama Administration that extend far far beyond what was initially intended. This is not the playground for kinder. This is realpolitik.

coldwarrior on January 31, 2009 at 11:50 PM

“Nature abhors a vacuum.”

I see people use this quote all the time and I often wonder if its true, why is space a vacuum. :-)

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 10:24 PM

This is a notion from Aristotle’s time that was scientifically refuted by Blaise Pascal and others in the 17th century. SI units of pressure are called Pascals.

HarneyPeak on January 31, 2009 at 11:51 PM

coldwarrior on January 31, 2009 at 11:45 PM

Exactly. And the lack of media coverage is not surprising as it leaves the uninformed concerning problems that Obama is not addressing continually uninformed. Wouldn’t want reality to crash the love fest.

genso on January 31, 2009 at 11:52 PM

China will destroy Iran in a second if Iran becomes a threat to them. Then take their oil of course.

India will never lead the world as a super power. Russia could have but Putin blew their chance. We cannot recover for decades. That leaves China.

allrsn on January 31, 2009 at 11:53 PM

India will never lead the world as a super power.

There are a good number of officers in the Sena Bhavan Headquarters complex in New Delhi who may disagree.

coldwarrior on January 31, 2009 at 11:58 PM

allrsn on January 31, 2009 at 11:53 PM

Not wanting to quibble because you are right from a broad-brush POV, but the balance of power works best at the tipping point. Any of the ever growing number of players could upset the balance, intentionally or not.

genso on January 31, 2009 at 11:59 PM

in New Delhi who may disagree.

coldwarrior on January 31, 2009 at 11:58 PM

LOL well I sure do not doubt that, but they just are not strong enough to stand against Russia, United Socialist America, and certainly not China. Remember Clinton gave (sold) them our most updated Nuclear technology just 12 years or so ago. China has as many Nukes as the usa or Russia and many times the people. My money is on China, has been for 10 years

allrsn on February 1, 2009 at 12:15 AM

and lets not forget China wealth which Russia lacks

allrsn on February 1, 2009 at 12:17 AM

LOL well I sure do not doubt that, but they just are not strong enough to stand against Russia, United Socialist America, and certainly not China. Remember Clinton gave (sold) them our most updated Nuclear technology just 12 years or so ago. China has as many Nukes as the USA or Russia and many times the people. My money is on China, has been for 10 years

allrsn on February 1, 2009 at 12:15 AM

The problem for both India and China unlike the USA and Russia is that both nations are resource poor. Meaning that most of materials needed to keep their economies running and growing have to be imported from other Nations. Because of this as their economies grow they will have to compete with each other for access to resources on the global market. This has already been seen in resource rich nations like Australia where India is lobbying for access to Uranium exports and China is attempting to buy controlling interest in resource companies that have Uranium mining rights.

Dreadnought223 on February 1, 2009 at 12:32 AM

Dreadnought223 on February 1, 2009 at 12:32 AM

Acutally China, unlike India does have some oil, not near as much as Russia. China has a lot of nukes in storage, India has only a few. I used to be unsure between Russia and China but Putin showed his hand and so did the USA and so for the last 6 years
I put my money on China.

allrsn on February 1, 2009 at 12:48 AM

Exactly. And the lack of media coverage is not surprising as it leaves the uninformed concerning problems that Obama is not addressing continually uninformed. Wouldn’t want reality to crash the love fest.

genso on January 31, 2009 at 11:52 PM

It probably would not make a bit of difference to most of Obama’s supporters.

Johan Klaus on February 1, 2009 at 12:50 AM

It probably would not make a bit of difference to most of Obama’s supporters.

Johan Klaus on February 1, 2009 at 12:50 AM

Of course not. But it would make a difference to those with many irons in the fire who do not pay alot of attention.

allrsn on February 1, 2009 at 12:55 AM

Amazing 2 week start for the Era of THE ONE
- hires a tax cheat to run the IRS
- proposes to increase the annual deficit by 200%
- hires communists to be Labor Secretary and “global warming czar”
- Itzhak Pearlman pulls a Milli Vanilli at the Inauguration
- talks down the economy by saying the recession will last for “years” – what no “malaise” on the sh%t sandwich??
- fails to defend the US Constitution by closing Gitmo and proposing to cut defense spending by 10%

- Gets PWN3D by Acmadinnerjacket…

Sort of the perfect storm of Carter, Gore and JF Kerry – where’s Ralph Nader when you need a sane liberal candidate…

— Washington, Adams and Jefferson are all spinning at 100,000 rpm…

phreshone on February 1, 2009 at 1:12 AM

I know we aren’t supposed to talk about the first daughters and all, but Malia and Sasha both could have seen this coming.

Sure it is, because it’s a lesson everyone learns in flippin GRADE school.

You don’t get anywhere with the bully by trying to make nice and appeasing him.

I’ve read a bit about Obama, on Obama – like about how he learned to get along in any environment (a talent I learned as well, moving around a lot), and pretty much not making waves, and sort of being everything to everyone. As he put it, “Don’t make any sudden moves.”

Thing is, that’s pretty good for making friends and fitting in pretty much everywhere, when you have to keep fitting into new environments. But it ISN’T very useful for leadership, or for standoffs with schoolyard bullies.

Alana on February 1, 2009 at 1:49 AM

History has a nasty habit of repeating itself. Obama will sacrifice American foreign interests to push us into a Chicago-style corrupt one party state. Count on it.

I agree. And one way to effect this is by having crises, or better yet, several – like a crumbling economy and threats and attacks by foreign countries, as the excuse for martial law, three- and indefinite-term presidents, and the like.

Alana on February 1, 2009 at 1:59 AM

Remember the (8) year pounding G.W. Bush took for not speaking clearly at all times; read this exchange.

Excerpt From State Department Daily Press Briefing

Robert Wood/Acting Spokesman

January 29, 2009

QUESTION: About a month or two ago, there was an IG report that warned that Blackwater was likely going to lose its license to operate in Iraq. That has now happened. Considering that you guys have been aware of this impending decision for some time, I presume that contingency plans have been made. What are those? What are you going to do to protect your people?

MR. WOOD: Well, let me just say, first off, you know, contingency plans are obviously being looked at, but I think it was on January 23rd when the Ministry of Interior informed the Embassy in Baghdad that Blackwater’s applications for an operating license was not going to be approved. And so we’re going to encourage, of course, contractors working for us to comply with Iraqi law. We’re right now looking at the implications of this decision by the Iraqis for us. But let me just make clear that we will do everything necessary to make sure that our personnel have the security that they need.

QUESTION: Well, what do you mean you’re looking at the implications? Isn’t the implication that they can’t work there anymore and that you’re going to lose your main contractor?

MR. WOOD: Well, again, we’re looking at, you know, the decision and we’re going to study and see what the implications will be, and then we’ll go forward.

QUESTION: I’m sorry, maybe I’m being dense here, but it seems to me that the obvious implication that you should already be aware of is that Blackwater can’t work in Iraq anymore.

MR. WOOD: I understand the decision. They were not granted an operating license

QUESTION: What more is there to look at?

MR. WOOD: Well, we have to study and see what we’re going to do next.

QUESTION: Right. Well, but you’ve been – this building has known for some time that this decision is coming down the pike, so –

MR. WOOD: Right, right, but we don’t have a decision ready to announce. We have to –

QUESTION: So Robert, who is protecting them today?

MR. WOOD: I’ll have to take a look at that. I’m not certain. I haven’t had a chance to look into that, but I’ll get the – we’ll get you something on that. I have to see who’s actually on the ground doing it. I’m just not sure at this point.

QUESTION: Do you intend to comply or do you intend to tell Blackwater to – if you’re going to – if you – you said you’re –

MR. WOOD: We have to comply with Iraqi law, period.

QUESTION: Exactly. So that means that you can’t – that your guys cannot use Blackwater as – for security guards, so -

MR. WOOD: Well, again, we’re going to comply with the Iraqi decision. We have no choice but to do that. So we’re just right now trying to formulate how we’re going to go forward. But I just wanted to make clear that we’re going to do everything, you know, to make sure that our Embassy employees have the security they need.

QUESTION: How long do you have to comply? I mean, when does this take effect?

MR. WOOD: I don’t know, haven’t seen the details on that yet.

QUESTION: Wouldn’t you have decided how to go forward already since you knew it was coming?

MR. WOOD: Well, it’s not a question of knowing that it was coming. We wanted to make sure that we had a clear-cut response from the Iraqis, an official response. We have now – you know, we received that on January 23rd, as I said, and we’re looking at next steps. That’s about as much as I can give you at this point.

QUESTION: Would next steps be just, what, another contractor?

MR. WOOD: We’re looking at a variety of possibilities, but I’m not here to outline those possibilities at this point.

QUESTION: While you’re not here to outline the possibilities, wasn’t this contract part of the global contract where there were three that – companies that bid on the security? So couldn’t one of the other ones step in?

MR. WOOD: Well –

QUESTION: I mean, isn’t that the whole idea of having these massive contracts?

MR. WOOD: That’s a possibility, but we haven’t made a decision on how we’re going to go forward yet.

QUESTION: But you have two other contractors that are working in Iraq, DynCorp and Triple Canopy, right?

MR. WOOD: Right. That’s right.

QUESTION: So you could ostensibly just move Triple Canopy or DynCorp over, because you’ve done all the RFP work and other stuff, right?

MR. WOOD: Well, we haven’t made a decision as to how we’re going to go forward yet, as I said. So I really don’t have any more to give you on that.

QUESTION: Is there a temporary security in place? I mean –

MR. WOOD: Like I said, I’m going to find out and get an answer to that question, because I’m not sure at this point.

QUESTION: It seems to be a bit irresponsible for the State Department not to have a backup plan and especially since you knew this was coming.

MR. WOOD: I did not say the State Department didn’t have a backup plan, but I said we’re looking at options and we haven’t made a decision as to how we’re going to go forward.

QUESTION: Well, doesn’t it seem to be – I mean, wouldn’t it be appropriate to have had an idea in place so –

MR. WOOD: I’m not saying we don’t have ideas, you know.

QUESTION: Well, one that you were – had been approved and you were ready to go ahead with?

MR. WOOD: Matt, as I said, when we have something in terms of a way forward, we’ll certainly be happy to let you know. But at this point, we’re looking at our options, and that’s the prudent thing to do.

Keemo on February 1, 2009 at 2:25 AM

I wonder what he would do if DC is attacked and Michelle & his daughters are killed?

Well, that’s the scary thing about someone supposedly all cool and contained like Obama. When something does hit home – and it could be simply the wrong insult – that sort of individual can way overreact in the other direction.

Alana on February 1, 2009 at 2:31 AM

If some Iranian bastard starts shooting up a mall and I get so much as a broken nail out of it, due to 0Bama’s complete and utter incompetent, mawkish fecklessness, I am raising the roof!

Newsflash–this kind of crap invites terror attacks. Clinton’s fecklessness invited 9-11, after all. Screw all of you who voted for this plastic dashboard doodad to lead our nation. I don’t want to think of the friends I may lose because of you and your welfare-entitled, lazy American-Idol-voting means of making voting decisions.

Sekhmet on February 1, 2009 at 3:03 AM

Maybe he should have just sent him a Coke.
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=dDSnjjdGh5M&feature=related

Glenn Jericho on February 1, 2009 at 4:28 AM

Keemo on February 1, 2009 at 2:25 AM

Unreal. Like the “Dead Parrot” skit.

progressoverpeace on February 1, 2009 at 5:09 AM

It’s still awesome to see how this thread is so totally free from trolls and mobys.

the_nile on February 1, 2009 at 7:51 AM

Keemo on February 1, 2009 at 2:25 AM

Is that the real deal? That is a real transcript?

hawkdriver on February 1, 2009 at 8:57 AM

Is this not exactly what we thought would happen?

Squid Shark on February 1, 2009 at 9:03 AM

Hmmmm I feel like those of us on the left are being called out in this thread, so here I go.

*yawn*

No seriously, I’m actually not that concerned with the bluster at the top of the Iranian regime. I don’t think anyone is surprised that they would respond to Obama’s foreign policy as anything but a concession, it *is* a concession so let’s just get that out of the way.

But now what. Well we’ll just have to wait and see. It’s one thing for Iran to supply weapons to Shiite militias in their fight against the U.S., it’s quite another for them to do the same to fund a civil war within a nation that seems to be tiring of it. It really is on the Iraqis to prevent Iran from influencing their state. They have just as much oil resources as Iran and its in the common interests of the country to share the resources among the ethnic groups/regions, fund their own military and strengthen their border. If they can’t figure that out..it’s kind of on them. The U.S. is hurting and we need a nice sustained period of isolationism before we can really project power around the world.

“But what about Isreal?” What about them? I’m not really sympathetic to zionism and if it were up to me there’d be no military aid to the state of Isreal. What I think Obama will do is continue to work with middle eastern nations to block weapons smuggling into the palestinian territories while ensuring food and supplies can enter. And, hopefully, force Isreal to honor its agreements around settlers (which they never have).

“But what about China?” Um…what about them. They own our war debt we really can’t do shit about them. Thanks neo conservatives.

It’s time for folks to recognize that U.S. hegemony is in a little bit of an ebb right now and will be so until the economy gets back in order. Considering we’ve started the last two ground wars with the middle eastern world I don’t think any others will start without us around stirring the pot. Proceed to throw fruit.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 1, 2009 at 9:08 AM

It takes a mushroom cloud to make a Messiah relevant.

I HOPE the CHANGE is…

Oh, hell… forget it.

Yoop on February 1, 2009 at 9:09 AM

Proceed to throw fruit.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 1, 2009 at 9:08 AM

Sorry. You aren’t worth the price of the fruit.

You backed a real idiot who cannot, nor would know how to, control his mouth.

You elected him; you reap what you sow. Unfortunately the rest of us are along for this ride, whether we like it or not.

Yoop on February 1, 2009 at 9:17 AM

President Theodore Roosevelt said,”Speak Softly and Carry a Big Stick”. Not, “Speak Softly and Carry a Feather Pillow”.
Negotiating from weakness will not work. World Leaders are too shrewd and they actually have experience.Our enemies and those countries that want to get a leg up on us are happy that we elected Mr. President. His Foreign Policy? “Stop or We’ll Say Stop Again.”

kingsjester on February 1, 2009 at 9:24 AM

My error. He said, Walk Softy and Carry a Big Stick. Way Too Early. More Coffee.

kingsjester on February 1, 2009 at 9:28 AM

It’s time for folks to recognize that U.S. hegemony is in a little bit of an ebb right now and will be so until the economy gets back in order. Considering we’ve started the last two ground wars with the middle eastern world I don’t think any others will start without us around stirring the pot. Proceed to throw fruit.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 1, 2009 at 9:08 AM

BULL BULL BULL… This war started around 700AD. Radical Islam, which by the way consists of hundreds of millions of people, can only accept one of three things from infidels

1. The death of the infidels
2. The complete subjugation of the infidels
3. The unconditional conversion of the infidels to islam

BTW – How convienently you liberal ‘useful idiots’ forget that THE WAR BEGAN WITH PLANES HIJACKED BY MUSLIM FANATICS THAT WERE FLOWN INTO BUILDINGS KILLING OVER 3000 AMERICANS.. Read that again if you are too stupid or ignorant to understand that.

The war has started elsewhere as well. During the Muslim Fanatics takeover of the school as Beslan, a 9yo was bayonetted by a jihadi BECAUSE HE ASKED FOR A GLASS OF WATER.. What about the christian schoolgirls brutally decapitated because… well, they were christian.

No you flamining left wing moron (I know that is redundnat) … This war has been going on for centuries.. GWB was just in the line of Charles Martel and Jan III Sobieski.

People like you and your so called ‘thinking’ are going to end up causing millions of deaths and/or a complete loss of the freedoms which allow us to worship as we please, to speak as we please and to act as we please. Our lives and the lives of our children are at stake… So, go put on your birkenstocks and wander to the local coffee shop where you can swill your latte with some other pony tailed morons.

bullseye on February 1, 2009 at 9:32 AM

Obama’s willingness to talk to Amadinnerjacket shows more than shallowness of thought. 13 days since the Inaugural. If he were as smart as his supporters claim The One to be, you’d think he’d call in all our major allies and confer with them on a unified front to counter-Iran (and Hamas, and a few others) and then come up with some sort of plan that would have been congruent with a larger foreign policy plan. Thus the Euros and other affected nations would see the purpose of his intent and the rationale behind His willingness to offer carrots (and perhaps a bit of arugula) to the mullahs.

The Obama-Hillary method of foreign policy will be for the near term a series of fits and starts, offering a “plan” and then rescinding the “plan” as opposition to such grows. Imagine the confusion this will bring to the global process?

Then again seems most have forgotten the first rule of Obama-ism: “It doesn’t matter what Obama said, what matters most is what he is saying.

coldwarrior on February 1, 2009 at 9:33 AM

“But what about Isreal?” What about them? I’m not really sympathetic to zionism and if it were up to me there’d be no military aid to the state of Isreal. What I think Obama will do is continue to work with middle eastern nations to block weapons smuggling into the palestinian territories while ensuring food and supplies can enter. And, hopefully, force Isreal to honor its agreements around settlers (which they never have).

So you don’t share Obamas official view on israel.

It’s time for folks to recognize that U.S. hegemony is in a little bit of an ebb right now and will be so until the economy gets back in order. Considering we’ve started the last two ground wars with the middle eastern world I don’t think any others will start without us around stirring the pot. Proceed to throw fruit.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 1, 2009 at 9:08 AM

Duh , if you got Carter 2 as potus and a dems in majority , I betcha you got “little bit of an ebb” .

You just doesn’t get history , USA is the almost the single liberator and bringer of freedom around the Globe.
Not perfect , but the only one.

the_nile on February 1, 2009 at 9:40 AM

President Theodore Roosevelt said,”Speak Softly and Carry a Big Stick”. Not, “Speak Softly and Carry a Feather Pillow”.
Negotiating from weakness will not work. World Leaders are too shrewd and they actually have experience.Our enemies and those countries that want to get a leg up on us are happy that we elected Mr. President. His Foreign Policy? “Stop or We’ll Say Stop Again.”

kingsjester on February 1, 2009 at 9:24 AM

Ah yes, I’ve been to Sagamore.. Old Theodore Painted the fleet white and sent it around the world to send an unequivocal message.. The same theodore issued the “Pericardias alive or Rasulli dead” proclimation.

The difference is that Theodore Roosevelt actually accomplished things in his life and had tasted battle. He was a man of many talents unlike the narrow do nothing chicago appartchick we have in the WH now.

It also reminds me of Ronald Wilson Reagan. The guy whose mere election scared the hell out of the Iranians to cause the instant release of the hostages taken under Carter. The same guy who dropped 90,000 tons of bombs in Moammar Kadaffi’s back yard.. Well, 90k -2k I understand the only bomb that missed went throught the front doors of the French Embassy. Amazing coincidence.. Must have been that the pilot was exhausted because France wouldn’t let us fly over them for the mission.

We needed Winston Churchill and we got Neville Chamberlain.. We are going to pay for that unless he grows up real fast.

bullseye on February 1, 2009 at 9:40 AM

Oops, not 900000 tons but 900000 pounds.. UGH, I hate when I scew up.

bullseye on February 1, 2009 at 9:41 AM

90,000 pounds

bullseye on February 1, 2009 at 9:41 AM

People like you and your so called ‘thinking’ are going to end up causing millions of deaths and/or a complete loss of the freedoms which allow us to worship as we please, to speak as we please and to act as we please. Our lives and the lives of our children are at stake… So, go put on your birkenstocks and wander to the local coffee shop where you can swill your latte with some other pony tailed morons.

bullseye on February 1, 2009 at 9:32 AM

When those millions die, they’ll blame Bush. And, of course, they’ll say it’s legitimate to blame Bush, even though they say it wasn’t legitimate to blame Clinton for 9/11.

Superficial people should stick to having opinions on superficial topics, like which Grateful Dead album is the best one or what brand of dye makes the best tie-dye t-shirts or which supermarket has the best arugula. You know, stuff that they can actually wrap their heads around.

venividivici on February 1, 2009 at 10:35 AM

bullseye on February 1, 2009 at 9:32 AM

What bullseye said

DarkCurrent on February 1, 2009 at 12:45 PM

The U.S. is hurting and we need a nice sustained period of isolationism before we can really project power around the world.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 1, 2009 at 9:08 AM

That statement just proves that like most Liberals you have your head up your ass when it comes to foreign policy.

The last time the US went into “a nice sustained period of isolationism” after a major financial crisis, Japan invaded and occupied most of Asia and the western Pacific (Including attacking the US directly when it bombed Pearl harbor) and Germany invaded and occupied all of Western Europe murdering six million Jews and countless others in the process.

Dreadnought223 on February 1, 2009 at 5:15 PM

OK, this bugs me to an irrational level. There is NO COUNTRY NAMED ISREAL. It’s Israel. You can look it up, it’s in the Bible you know.

billhedrick on February 1, 2009 at 6:50 PM

That statement just proves that like most Liberals you have your head up your ass when it comes to foreign policy.

Dreadnought223 on February 1, 2009 at 5:15 PM

Bingo!

World history is not a liberal’s strong point, and Hack just proved it again.

Yoop on February 1, 2009 at 6:50 PM

The world loves a weakened America.

This is the delusional “love” the Left invites.

Obama will deliver it.

In frickin’ spades.

profitsbeard on February 1, 2009 at 10:29 PM

Tried to warn all the liberals
Oh but no ..

they all scream if we just
lay over and play dead
Surrender all of our rights
give up fighting so the islamic nut jobs can kill millions more ..

Its ok as long as they feel love from their hero
abina wak job..

I got news for you liberal MORONS
You will very soon feel Islams love for you..

I dont care what you think or feel about christians
prophecy and dreams but you Liberals Have
Abolutly no idea of what is about to occurr

I have had 7 dreams from God (the real one) Jesus
and 2 visions.

this last one was from almost 1 year ago
I was standing in a green field
Oh it was warm beautiful and i somehow knew it was may
As i looked the sky was a beautiful blue with a few white clouse very high up in the sky
Perfect.
Apparently i was on the peninsula overlooking a city
I was probably 10 miles – 15 miles away.

Then as if i was looking the view shifted to a particular building with a small 4 cornered top Like a church steeple (but it wasnt a church)
I think it was the smith tower in seattle BUT i am NOT sure of the location but the building was very clear
especially the steeple like roof.

I was now about 1 block away
in front of the building a panel truck all a dark green or grey was pulled into the driveway
there were several men

the first was standing to the right (i knew he was a guard or lookout)
But they didnt need to have him there
For passerbys just walked right on by as the
3 other middle easter men were working inside the truck
Inside there was i thought a rather large 55 galon drum
just one on its side Like one of those oil drums you would see in the auto shops wich held oil and was on a steel cart.

The men did something (a box) not sure i only caught a glimpse of it.
then they nodded and so calmly moved the cart out of the truck.

then i watched as people still walked by totally oblivious to the men unloading a big drum from a panel truck.

the men moved the drum up the driveway ramp all the way up to the sidewalk then nodded to each other.

the view then shifted back to the field i was at
I saw a woman at this field ohh must have been a picknic
I remember she was laughing playfully
When we both for some unknown reason turned to look at city.

Again the field of vision zoomed back in to the building were the 4 men were.
I saw them from about 4 blocks away (i was now near the waterfront)
there was a yellow white light from the drum

Instantly the buildings around it were vaporised (i mean they disintegrated the blast wave rolled both up the cities hills but the worst was the effect of the shock wave going down to the waterfront.
the blast wave energy ran down towards the waterfront with such force entire ships and docks were blown out of the water.

the field of view shifts back to the field
I am not watching from a great distance away.
We see the entire city core disappears in a great cloud of smoke and the blast wave travelling over the sea or bay towards us.

We begin to run realizing now we are also in danger.
Somehow there was a slight uphill grade on this grassy field we are in

We are running for our lives and as we are running we look back and see even the green grass is being torn up
the heat is incenerating even the dirt it is swirling brown
The air choking so thick with brown hot dust
We just make it over the hill and fall down rolling
as the maing blast wave roars over our heads deflected by the hill we are now behind.

After the initial blast is over we got up
all covered in brown dust
but amazingly the air clears quickly i can even see the blue sky again.

We got up to the crest of the hill and we both saw
a huge musroom clound over the city.
it was Entirely destroyed.
On fire the mushroom cloud glwed an eerie red.
as fires raged.

then the vision ends.

So why am i sharing this with you?
Simple just 6 months ago another vision was Confirmed by someone i never met and still dont know who it was
who has been receiving Dreams and prophecies as well.

they matched 100%.
Not this dream no another was confirmed that day.
and just 2 weeks ago i was reading my bible
And in isaih i think i saw a scripture stating
Despise not prophecies..

God is Absolutly Warning everyone in america
Of the impending disaster which approaches.

I dont care if you laugh
But as i watch
obama tearing apart our security infrastructure
Pelozi spending trilluions on every evil thing which stands against God
and now this democrat calling for obama to make nazi like concentration camps

It isnt for the islamic terrorists who are going to hit us again no..

its for people who stand against obama

jcila on February 1, 2009 at 11:01 PM

Oh yea and i forgot to mention
your running out of time..

Because the last dream / vision i had after this one
God said explicitly one WORD

PREPARE..

jcila on February 1, 2009 at 11:02 PM

Obama is weak. Little hitler is correctomundo. The plan is to be weak. Let the world go. Submit to the new world order.

Griz on February 2, 2009 at 12:02 AM

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