Charming tale of octuplets turning less charming, more creepy by the minute; Update: Mom to talk to Oprah, seeks $2M from media spots

posted at 4:23 pm on January 31, 2009 by Allahpundit

In which a childless couple dreaming of a little one of their very own tries fertility treatments and hits the jackpot. Except (a) there’s no couple involved, (b) mom already had six kids, all by in vitro, not fertility drugs, and (c) her need for more children appears to be pathological. To the point where she had eight embryos implanted this time because, and I quote, she wanted “just one more girl.”

But other than that, it’s straight out of a storybook.

Angela Suleman said her daughter always had trouble conceiving and underwent in vitro fertilization treatments [in the past] because her fallopian tubes are “plugged up.”

There were frozen embryos left over after her previous pregnancies and her daughter didn’t want them destroyed, so she decided to have more children.

Nadya Suleman wanted to have children since she was a teenager, “but luckily she couldn’t,” her mother said.

“She doesn’t have any more (frozen embryos), so it’s over now,” she said. “It has to be.”…

“Instead of becoming a kindergarten teacher or something, she started having them, but not the normal way,” he mother said.

Her daughter’s obsession with children caused Angela Suleman considerable stress, so she sought help from a psychologist, who told her to order her daughter out of the house.

Nadya allegedly told a neighbor she was paid to have the IVF done but didn’t elaborate. Her college major, incidentally? “Child and adolescent development.” Exit question one: Time for DSS to step in here? Exit question two: Time for a certain as-yet-unnamed in-vitro specialist to lose his medical license for agreeing to implant eight embryos into a woman with six kids? (Assuming he has one, that is. There’s no “back-alley IVF” industry, is there?) The LA Times has answers to both: “The California Medical Board, which investigates doctors, and the California Department of Public Health, which licenses clinics and hospitals, said no doctors or facilities are currently being investigated regarding the births. It is also unlikely that the Los Angeles County Department of Children and Family Services would get involved unless it receives a complaint of child abuse or neglect.”

Update: We’re talking about welfare in the comments, but another possibility presents itself. Did she do it to get rich?

THE single mother of octuplets born in California last week is seeking $2m (£1.37m) from media interviews and commercial sponsorship to help pay the cost of raising the children.

Nadya Suleman, 33, plans a career as a television childcare expert, since it emerged last week that she already had six children before giving birth on Monday. She now has 14 below the age of eight.

Although still confined to an LA hospital bed, she intends to talk to two influential television hosts this week – media mogul Oprah Winfrey, and Diane Sawyer, who presents Good Morning America.

A spokesman for a fertility clinic in Georgia interviewed for the piece claims they’d draw scrutiny from the industry watchdog if they implanted more than two or three embryos into a patient at a time.


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The only thing that could possibly make this story better would be if she were and illegal alien and that WE were paying for the children. Now THAT would be newsworthy.

Mojave Mark on January 31, 2009 at 4:27 PM

Should the IVF specialist lose his medical license? In a sane world, yes

The Dean on January 31, 2009 at 4:29 PM

What is the attraction to this story? What exactly is this woman’s crime? She didn’t want the embryos destroyed, good enough for me. End of story.

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 4:30 PM

Because reproduction is everybody’s business, or something.

Y-not on January 31, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Because reproduction is everybody’s business, or something.

It may be in this case if you end up paying for it.

Allahpundit on January 31, 2009 at 4:34 PM

Oh come on,she’s trying to start up her own
political Party!

canopfor on January 31, 2009 at 4:34 PM

Seems a bit hinky. That’s a lot of college education cost support, but I suspect she hasn’t thought that far ahead. Pandora’s box has been opened.

a capella on January 31, 2009 at 4:34 PM

What is the attraction to this story? What exactly is this woman’s crime? She didn’t want the embryos destroyed, good enough for me. End of story.

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 4:30 PM

A single woman keeps getting herself pregnant through in vitro even though she still lives with her parents? And the kids will never have a father? Selfish? Irresponsible?

Wethal on January 31, 2009 at 4:35 PM

wha? Is she harming the children?

If so, I’ll find the story newsworthy. Until then….busy bodies…

bridgetown on January 31, 2009 at 4:36 PM

It may be in this case if you end up paying for it.

Allahpundit on January 31, 2009 at 4:34 PM

We could wind-up paying for it even if it was a single child. Should women need permission from the state to have children?

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 4:36 PM

And the kids will never have a father? Selfish? Irresponsible?

Yeah, I thought conservatives were all about the nuclear family. What Would Ann Coulter Do?

Allahpundit on January 31, 2009 at 4:37 PM

We could wind-up paying for it even if it was a single child. Should women need permission from the state to have children?

We could, true, but the odds of having to pay for one kid are a lot lower than having to pay for 14.

Didn’t say she needed permission, either.

Allahpundit on January 31, 2009 at 4:38 PM

A single woman keeps getting herself pregnant through in vitro even though she still lives with her parents? And the kids will never have a father? Selfish? Irresponsible?

Wethal on January 31, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Destroying unborn embryos… beyond selfish…. murder.

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 4:38 PM

What is the attraction to this story? What exactly is this woman’s crime? She didn’t want the embryos destroyed, good enough for me. End of story.

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 4:30 PM

I’ve seen some speculation that children raised without a father tend to have less productive, happy lives. It’s probably just speculation.

a capella on January 31, 2009 at 4:38 PM

She’s almost got enough to field two baseball teams. That’s my goal, and I tip my hat to her.

e-pirate on January 31, 2009 at 4:39 PM

We could, true, but the odds of having to pay for one kid are a lot lower than having to pay for 14.

Didn’t say she needed permission, either.

Allahpundit on January 31, 2009 at 4:38 PM

If and when this woman needs help in the form of welfare then this story is valid. Until then its just mean to pick on this woman.

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 4:38 PM

So, you would encourage this kind of behavior to save the embryos?

a capella on January 31, 2009 at 4:41 PM

What is the attraction to this story? What exactly is this woman’s crime? She didn’t want the embryos destroyed, good enough for me. End of story.

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 4:30 PM

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Well Maxx since you feel this way you pay for them.

Rick007 on January 31, 2009 at 4:41 PM

This is one sick woman. Babies are to her what shoes were to Imelda Markos. No ethical doctor would have implanted more than 4 embryos in her, tops. Was this done in Mexico?

MB4 on January 31, 2009 at 4:43 PM

As an added bonus, grandpa is planning to skip town and head to Iraq.

JammieWearingFool on January 31, 2009 at 4:43 PM

How about adopting them out? Or giving the embryos to women who need them?

Allahpundit on January 31, 2009 at 4:43 PM

How will she be able to breastfeed while wearing a straight-jacket?

FreeThinkerNYC on January 31, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Wait a minute,I bet,buried hip deep into
the Liberals stimulous plan,is buried pork,
for women,who want to be knocked up forever,
having kids to increase the Liberals voter
base!

This is probably,a secret plot within ACORN,
maybe they ran out of buying votes fraudulently,
the dead,the made-up,and now their resorting to
registering babies!———–(Snark!)Ahem.

canopfor on January 31, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Well Maxx since you feel this way you pay for them.

Rick007 on January 31, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Happy to, add it to my bill along with the trillion dollar bail out.

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 4:44 PM

So, you would encourage this kind of behavior to save the embryos?

a capella on January 31, 2009 at 4:41 PM

I’ll admit, she should have though of the adoption option, but better than killing them…. yes.

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 4:45 PM

I believe grandpa is an Iraqi. He’s been described in the media as an “Iraqi contractor” and their surname seems to lend credence to that.

I feel sorry for these children. What kind of a raving lunatic has 6 small children and decides she needs more, after filing a bankruptcy and abandoning a home she had bought?

Any psychological screening on this woman would have prevented this travesty from happening.

Again, I feel very sorry for her children. She’s a nutbag.

califcon on January 31, 2009 at 4:46 PM

I’m married to a wonderful woman and we have two kids.

We have found that raising these two kids as best as we can to be enormously exhausting and difficult (but very, very much worth it).

I simply can’t imagine being a single mother of 14 children. Not to mention that 8 of them were born at the same time…

…which means 8 whiny, crying infants who need to be constantly fed, changed and given attention.

There is absolutely NO WAY she will be able to raise these kids by herself.

Thus, her decision to have 8 more kids is irresponsible and, most likely, detrimental to the lives of her children.

Religious_Zealot on January 31, 2009 at 4:47 PM

How about adopting them out? Or giving the embryos to women who need them?

Allahpundit on January 31, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Sure, that would have been smarter. But the woman is not evil because she wanted her own children.

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Maxx,

In theory (if you are not just jerking our collective chain), you are right on. But just what do you – really – think the odds are that a single mother will both meet the financial obligations of this family, and be a socially (i.e., non-negligent) parent. I rate them at a little below zero.

And if she can’t be both, it’s a matter of public concern – because she’s going to be relying on the State to supply what she cannot.

You may be willing to have her responsibilities added to the public hand-out, but I am not – in good part because I am pretty honked off about the rest of it.

ManUFan on January 31, 2009 at 4:50 PM

While I agree that embryos should not be destroyed, there are other options. Many reputable IVF clinics limit the number of embryos they will fertilze in the first place. Also, there are “snowflake” programs that support embryo adoption.

Either choice would have been better than a single mom, living with her parents who filed for bankrupcy trying to raise 14 children.

Margee on January 31, 2009 at 4:50 PM

There is absolutely NO WAY she will be able to raise these kids by herself.

Thus, her decision to have 8 more kids is irresponsible and, most likely, detrimental to the lives of her children.

Religious_Zealot on January 31, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Well it looks like she’s not raising the children herself. The grandparents seem very much involved.

terryannonline on January 31, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Have the FemaNazi’s wieghed in yet,or NAG!

Maybe she’s a member of Code Pink,and
she wants to start up her own little
Anti-War protest group!

canopfor on January 31, 2009 at 4:51 PM

Sure, that would have been smarter. But the woman is not evil because she wanted her own children.

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 4:47 PM

She already HAD 6 children…

…and could barely care for THEM.

So why did she think she could care for 8 more?

I don’t know if it qualifies for evil…

…but purposefully engineering to bring into this world 8 children that one can not possibly care for properly…

…well, that certainly isn’t something to be lifted up and praised.

Religious_Zealot on January 31, 2009 at 4:51 PM

Well I suppose she will go into the Guinness book of records now and if someone else has a litter of 9 she will want to go for 10.

MB4 on January 31, 2009 at 4:52 PM

I frankly don’t care how many children she has by whatever means if she can support them without my tax dollars supporting her and the kids. But, we are and it stinks! This gal needs some mental help asap.
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letget on January 31, 2009 at 4:52 PM

How long before Andrew Sullivan starts investigating whether Willow Palin is the mother of these children?

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 31, 2009 at 4:52 PM

Anyone else have a sense that we are seeing a Susan Smith in the making?

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 31, 2009 at 4:53 PM

The LA radio stations, most all of them, are abuzz with this story, which is in its infancy. From the LA John and Ken radio show, AM640AM, by their reporter, who’s stationed there, along with all the other prominent media:

- the donor, for all 14 kids, is a married man, in law enforcement, who’s wife doesn’t know that he’s the one
- he is a friend of the unmarried 33 years old mother
- it was not a donation to a bank, but rather a direct one, a known one, for this specific woman/application
- he has no legal financial obligation for the kids
- she might have gone to Mexico to be injected
- she lives with 2 other adults and the 6 kids, now soon to be 14, in a 1,500 sq. feet home, plus to add however many more adults to care for the additional kids
- the twins, from the first 6, have medical challenges
- the family lost a larger home to foreclosure in 2008
- LA has an ordinance which doesn’t allow so many people in such a small space
- her father, who’s Middle Eastern, said yesterday that they have a larger home, but the “media will never find out where it is”. He’s the contractor in Iraq.
- her mother is Mexican
- her parents are divorced
- she wanted all this for the book, the movie, the TV show
- the specialists can tell how many eggs are injected – how come so many?
- the state, social services have already contacted the family
- is this “an act of God” or a biological experiment gone awry?
- GM, who’d nearly bankrupt, has offered the mother free cars, which she promised to give to her relatives. On that account, and because of bad publicity, given that GM’s asked for a bailout/loan/whatever, they have retracted the offer
- she probably will not have to depend on the state, as the stations, book magnats, Hollywood are all lining up, like crazy, to get her to play.

That’s all I remember from yesterday’s J & K afternoon report/discussion.

I don’t think we’ve heard the last of it.

Wouldn’t want to be the wife of the donor.

Entelechy on January 31, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Maybe there’s a bit of room….

at Hillary’s village,or at

Obama’s community,they could have

a future as little organizers!

canopfor on January 31, 2009 at 4:56 PM

ManUFan on January 31, 2009 at 4:50 PM

I guess the fact that, as far as I know, she was not taking welfare for her first six children. And if she would have been then this is a legitimate story. BUT…. she wasn’t ….. right?

I’m just an old fashioned guy that thinks you should wait until the wrong has been committed before you make the charges.

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Well it looks like she’s not raising the children herself. The grandparents seem very much involved.

terryannonline on January 31, 2009 at 4:50 PM

From the article:

She [her mother] said she warned her daughter that when she gets home from the hospital, “I’m going to be gone.”

The article notes that Mom is not happy with what has happened and is/will not support her daughter.

Religious_Zealot on January 31, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Thus, her decision to have 8 more kids is irresponsible and, most likely, detrimental to the lives of her children.

Religious_Zealot on January 31, 2009 at 4:47 PM

I’m in a similar situation as you RZ and the two children I have exhaust both my wife and me. I couldn’t responsibly handle 8 more at once, or even half that number.

dedalus on January 31, 2009 at 4:56 PM

…well, that certainly isn’t something to be lifted up and praised.

Religious_Zealot on January 31, 2009 at 4:51 PM

When did I lift it up and praise it?

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 4:57 PM

If there ever was a candidate for forced sterilization…

KSgop on January 31, 2009 at 4:57 PM

The DSS would have had an easier time if only should would have named one of them Adolf.

- The Cat

MirCat on January 31, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Her father? “Palestinian” immigrant. Declared bankruptcy. Single “mother” now with 14 kids. Yeah, we’re all gonna pay to house, feed, clothe, and educate these children until they are at least 18. My guess is that they will be sucking off government tit for longer than that.

So yeah, color me not charmed.

And I do remember Arafat’s claim that they would defeat Israel/the west with their women’s wombs.

funky chicken on January 31, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Just waiting for the discovery of a trapdoor in the house that leads to the underground dungeon.

innominatus on January 31, 2009 at 5:00 PM

I say we need all the kids we can get in future generations to pay off the trillions that Obama is spending.

Instead, Pelosi & Obama are using that money to jack up the abortion and infanticide rate.

I predict cannibalism in 20 years.

jeff_from_mpls on January 31, 2009 at 5:00 PM

So…….how much, per month, will be coming out of our collective wallets to support 15 individuals for food, medical care, transportation, and education?

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 31, 2009 at 5:00 PM

While I agree that embryos should not be destroyed, there are other options. Many reputable IVF clinics limit the number of embryos they will fertilze in the first place. Also, there are “snowflake” programs that support embryo adoption.

Snowflake programs are not really an option… we’re talking about 400,000 unemplanted embryos… there’s a reason the Vatican didn’t really endorse that in their bioethics statement… it’s not feasible… IVF really needs to be banned… Continental Europe(France, Italy) have much better laws with regard to this than the US or Britain… we are truely heading towards a moral clusterfark(driven by sciencism, capitalism, and liberalism)… read your Macintyre…

http://www.iep.utm.edu/p/p-macint.htm

The reasoning that got us to a world where this woman is allowed to get IVF will lead towards…

Yuppie Eugenics
http://www.zcommunications.org/zmag/viewArticle/18020

And there’s nothing to stop it except societal collapse which I’m actually kind of hoping for…

ninjapirate on January 31, 2009 at 5:01 PM

She obviously acted completely irresponsibly. Any single mother is by nature irresponsible unless they had no choice (i.e. their husband died or they were a victim of rape). That’s not even considering the fact that she’ll never be able to take care of that many children alone.

However, as a member of a large family I hate people who think “oh that’s too many children” so I’m am somewhat conflicted in condemning her.

As for the Government getting involved that is WAY too far. Until she does something that endangers the children in a specific sense they should do nothing. Otherwise we’d be heading down a very slippery slope toward the Government having a say in how many kids someone can have (especially with the current administration). I’m not saying we’d end up with a China style one child rule but I can definitely see the DSS start deciding that child need to be taken away just because the family is too large.

Kronos on January 31, 2009 at 5:01 PM

The real question…..How does this help Michelle’s children?

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 31, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Sure, that would have been smarter. But the woman is not evil because she wanted her own children.

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 4:47 PM

She’s not evil, she’s irresponsible. Now with 14 kids, hopefully she starts making better decisions so that each of the kids has a good environment to grow up in.

dedalus on January 31, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Entelechy on January 31, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Wowee! Why isn’t all that in the AP article?

terryannonline on January 31, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Plenty of people in this country have that many kids, or close. I work with a guy who’s the 12th of 13. Strict Catholics. And I did volunteer work for several years, run by a Mormon professor who had 11 kids (disclaimer: three sets of twins). And my father is the youngest of six, but they have five foster siblings, and they were dirt poor.

They all managed to get by without any kind of government assistance.

Yes, I think this woman is batshit crazy (and any doctor who implants eight needs to lose his license). But let’s not put her on the dole quite yet.

She returned to pursue a master’s in counseling, but last attended in the spring of 2008.

Eh, hard to attend school with eight kids in your belly.

Tanya on January 31, 2009 at 5:02 PM

I don’t think we heard the last of it.

Entelechy on Jan 31,2009 at 4:54PM.

Entelechy: Nice Intell gathering,’E’!:)

Crap,that means she’ll probably be on the View,
Oprah,the Dr.Phil show,and Springer!:)

canopfor on January 31, 2009 at 5:02 PM

ManUFan on January 31, 2009 at 4:50 PM

I guess the fact that, as far as I know, she was not taking welfare for her first six children. And if she would have been then this is a legitimate story. BUT…. she wasn’t ….. right?

I’m just an old fashioned guy that thinks you should wait until the wrong has been committed before you make the charges.

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Well, someone suggested that her story is worth big bucks to studios/ghostwriters, etc. If so, OK – I’m with you. But I’m betting the odds way favor her going on the public tit, and that justifies looking at this now. This story does not, I’m thinking, ultimately have the charm to make it worth much.

They’ll probably end up doing a fictional story along the same lines – and not pay her a dime.

ManUFan on January 31, 2009 at 5:02 PM

terryann, the parents had to declare bankrupcy because the daughter lived with them with her 6 preschool aged children.

this ain’t John and Kate Plus 8. this is an insane muslim woman cranking out kids that she can in no way raise or support. what could go wrong?

funky chicken on January 31, 2009 at 5:02 PM

From the article:

She [her mother] said she warned her daughter that when she gets home from the hospital, “I’m going to be gone.”

Yup, even grandma’s had enough of this craziness. Somebody did the math on the headline post yesterday that, with Obama’s tax nonsense, these 14 kids will come out to something like $70,000 a year for this selfish, insane woman.

califcon on January 31, 2009 at 5:03 PM

Look i love kids
i have 2 sons

but kids are NOT for your personal use to enrichen yourself..

children are NOT to make a book deal

Children heck boys especially
need tons of FOOD, tools, toys (ok for boys tools and toys same thing)..

and believe me when they are 21 you will WANT them to be leaving the nest..

But something isnt right here…
i mean come on 6 kids already and now we have another 8??

jcila on January 31, 2009 at 5:03 PM

This thread is useless without pictures of SuperMom.

Is she hawt or what?

Professor Blather on January 31, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Wowee! Why isn’t all that in the AP article?

terryannonline on January 31, 2009 at 5:02 PM

KFI has one of their very best reporters on the case, as they believe that we haven’t even seen the tip of this story, yet.

Entelechy on January 31, 2009 at 5:04 PM

So…….how much, per month, will be coming out of our collective wallets to support 15 individuals for food, medical care, transportation, and education?

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 31, 2009 at 5:00 PM

As far as I know, at the moment its zero. If she gets her book deal, it will still be zero. Its remarkable how collectivism has replaced compassion with spite.

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Is she hawt or what?

Professor Blather on January 31, 2009 at 5:04 PM

After pumping out 8 kids, I’m not sure she’ll be available for a while–even if hot.

dedalus on January 31, 2009 at 5:06 PM

Wowee! Why isn’t all that in the AP article?

terryannonline on January 31, 2009 at 5:02 PM

You have to ask?

It’s similar to the story of Tasha Flowers and her poor family that was “brutally” beaten by the Detroit police until it was found out that the family were squatters in a foreclosed home and were not beaten by the police.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 31, 2009 at 5:06 PM

Can’t this women call up Obama,and ask him for
a little bit of change,and maybe he can squeeze
her into the bailout?

I mean,after,she registers them as Democrats,
of course!(Sarc).

canopfor on January 31, 2009 at 5:06 PM

This thread is useless without pictures of SuperMom.

Is she hawt or what?

Professor Blather on January 31, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Don’t know, quoting my recollections from LA radio station

- the donor, for all 14 kids, is a married man, in law enforcement, who’s wife doesn’t know that he’s the one
- he is a friend of the unmarried 33 years old mother
- it was not a donation to a bank, but rather a direct one, a known one, for this specific woman/application

Entelechy on January 31, 2009 at 5:07 PM

There’s no “back-alley IVF” industry, is there?

Yes. It’s called “Tijuana”.

Mark1971 on January 31, 2009 at 5:07 PM

THE FREAK !!!

AS A MODERN, LIBERATED WOMAN SHE SHOULD HAVE ABORTED EVERY SINGLE LAST ONE OF THEM !!!

/s

BowHuntingTexas on January 31, 2009 at 5:08 PM

– it was not a donation to a bank, but rather a direct one, a known one, for this specific woman/application

Entelechy on January 31, 2009 at 5:07 PM

Isn’t that called “sex?”

Professor Blather on January 31, 2009 at 5:08 PM

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 31, 2009 at 5:06 PM

Don’t blame AP. This story is just developing. Call/view KFI 640AM. Media is on it in force.

Kaiser said they don’t get involved, once fertilized. It’s not known what happend before then.

Entelechy on January 31, 2009 at 5:09 PM

Ya know,if this was the 1800′s,
she would have her own little
work force,down on zee farm!

canopfor on January 31, 2009 at 5:10 PM

It may be in this case if you end up paying for it.

Allahpundit on January 31, 2009 at 4:34 PM

The people of the state of California are paying for it. There is no way this woman has insurance for herself and her six kids.

The state, the hospital, and the other people who pay insurance premiums, are, and will be, paying for the births and medical care and food stamps, etc., x14 kids x 18 years.

Also, Medi-Cal doesn’t pay for IVF, so who paid for it?

Blake on January 31, 2009 at 5:10 PM

Actually having kids is not “irresponsible” — what’s irresponsible is that western civilization is sterilizing itself out of existence.

Yes, it’s irresponsible NOT to grow our population.

The caucasian race is headed for extinction.

Yes, I know, the girl isn’t caucasian. My point is the knee-jerk foolishness of spewing the pop-culture clap-trap that having kids is “irresponsible.” Scientists call it preservation of the species. Nice concept. Get to know it.

jeff_from_mpls on January 31, 2009 at 5:11 PM

Isn’t that called “sex?”

Professor Blather on January 31, 2009 at 5:08 PM

Using this occasion to say a hearty Hello, PB, and hoping that you are well and safe.

Normally, it w/b; however, much about this is just unfolding. There will be hurt parties and rich and poor parties. I’m most fascinated by this question, from the radio staion yesterday:

is this “an act of God” or a biological experiment gone awry?

Entelechy on January 31, 2009 at 5:12 PM

At least they’ll have jobs with the democrat stimulus.

SouthernGent on January 31, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Entelechy on January 31, 2009 at 5:09 PM

My point was that the story in all major media has been about the amazing feat and has been reported so as to be endearing to the public. That is, until the truth starts to be reported….

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 31, 2009 at 5:15 PM

Actually having kids is not “irresponsible” — what’s irresponsible is that western civilization is sterilizing itself out of existence.

Yes, it’s irresponsible NOT to grow our population.

The caucasian race is headed for extinction.

Yes, I know, the girl isn’t caucasian. My point is the knee-jerk foolishness of spewing the pop-culture clap-trap that having kids is “irresponsible.” Scientists call it preservation of the species. Nice concept. Get to know it.

jeff_from_mpls on January 31, 2009 at 5:11 PM

Your post exemplifies the single biggest problem with Internet discussions: the perpetual all-or-nothing argument.

Let me offer you a stunningly obvious suggestion: there may be a middle-ground somewhere between “sterilizing ourselves out of existence” and some obviously mental ill woman with no husband or father figure – and no means of supporting even herself – intentionally impregnating herself with FOURTEEN children, none of whom will have a father, none of whom she can support.

Is it really that hard to understand that there’s a little room in between your two all-or-nothing’s? How about she has 3 kids and gets a job in the evening at Applebee’s?

Sigh. The internet. You have to love it.

Professor Blather on January 31, 2009 at 5:17 PM

My point was that the story in all major media has been about the amazing feat and has been reported so as to be endearing to the public. That is, until the truth starts to be reported….

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 31, 2009 at 5:15 PM

Obama ?..

the_nile on January 31, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Exit question one: Time for DSS to step in here?

Why? Is there a crime? Neglect?

Exit question two: Time for a certain as-yet-unnamed in-vitro specialist to lose his medical license for agreeing to implant eight embryos into a woman with six kids?

Why? Is there a crime? Neglect?

Did she do it to get rich?

Who cares?

You’re coming off as a meddling nanny-stater …

AZ_Redneck on January 31, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Yeah, the comments I am hearing from people, both on the internet and around LA, are not so flattering. Even those who are withholding judgment are saying “something is not right here.” And there actually are reporters who are digging into it and coming up with background.

Entelechy, I had not heard the info on the sperm donor. I bet when his wife gets through with him, his account will be closed for insufficient funds.

califcon on January 31, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Actually having kids is not “irresponsible” — what’s irresponsible is that western civilization is sterilizing itself out of existence.

jeff_from_mpls on January 31, 2009 at 5:11 PM

Having kids requires raising kids, and raising each child requires a lot of time and attention. The question is whether she has the ability to raise an additional 8, especially without a dad.

dedalus on January 31, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Wouldn’t want to be the wife of the donor.

Entelechy on January 31, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Heh. Likewise the donor himself. I assume all law enforcement types who are known to be friends of this lady are now being relentlessly grilled by their wives. If she has done this with a eye to reaping benefits from the publicity and large sums of money are involved, can DNA testing be far behind? Unintended consequences can certainly be ugly.

a capella on January 31, 2009 at 5:18 PM

is this”an act of God”or a biolgical experiment gone awry?

Entelechy on Jan 31,2009 at 5:12PM.

Entelechy: Or maybe its like the CERN Project,they’re not
ready to hit the switch yet,sumpin about the
math not be right!

So,maybe,she mis-calculated,a child too many!

canopfor on January 31, 2009 at 5:19 PM

Is it really that hard to understand that there’s a little room in between your two all-or-nothing’s? How about she has 3 kids and gets a job in the evening at Applebee’s?

Professor Blather on January 31, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Very well then. Three kids it is!

Hear that everyone? The correct number of children is 3.

1984.

jeff_from_mpls on January 31, 2009 at 5:20 PM

AZ_Redneck on January 31, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Choosing to give birth to 8 kids at one time is irresponsible. These kids will have head bleeds and respiratory problems for the rest of their life. And since you aren’t paying the welfare bill, you are the meddler.

Blake on January 31, 2009 at 5:20 PM

Don’t forget the fact that she allegedly filed for bankruptcy just last year. IVF is very expensive, so how did she pay for it if she was bankrupt?

Sir Corky on January 31, 2009 at 5:21 PM

Having kids requires raising kids, and raising each child requires a lot of time and attention. The question is whether she has the ability to raise an additional 8, especially without a dad.

dedalus on January 31, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Well, as the sociologist you must be, I bet you could derive some equation for the proper family size, and then you could make it a law that people can’t have more than that and, oh wait, that’s China.

Never mind.

jeff_from_mpls on January 31, 2009 at 5:22 PM

I can’t believe someone’s wanting pics of this woman to see if she’s “hawt”. This whole story is so creepy that the thought of seeing what she looks like already has me screaming, “My eyes! My eyes!”

McKenz59 on January 31, 2009 at 5:22 PM

THE single mother of octuplets born in California last week is seeking $2m (£1.37m) from media interviews and commercial sponsorship to help pay the cost of raising the childre

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The woman is not right in the head. She comes across as a person who cares little for her children. She is radioactive and no one is going to pay her for endorsing anything. Idiot.

Blake on January 31, 2009 at 5:23 PM

I’m afraid she’s had all of these kids to get a tv show on TLC. (just my own assumption, no facts to back it up)

amynorw on January 31, 2009 at 5:25 PM

We’re talking about welfare in the comments, but another possibility presents itself. Did she do it to get rich?

I wish I would have thought of it first.

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 5:25 PM

She’s f*****g nuts.

n0doz on January 31, 2009 at 5:25 PM

I’m afraid she’s had all of these kids to get a tv show on TLC. (just my own assumption, no facts to back it up)

amynorw on January 31, 2009 at 5:25 PM

That’s it right there. This TV producer fetish with obscenely large families has caused it to become glamorized.

KSgop on January 31, 2009 at 5:27 PM

Now this, would be the makings of a great horror flick!

The creepy house on the hill!

Fifty kids,one mother!

The kids only go out at night!

And,once a year in daylight,to vote!

A Mega-Star Hollywood cast!

Shaun Penn: ‘The Father’

Susan Saradon: ‘The Lawyer

Merly Streep: ‘The grandmother’

And,starring ROSIE O’DONNEL: as the ‘MOTHER’!

canopfor on January 31, 2009 at 5:28 PM

As the father of four, I say her punishment will come when these children become teenagers.

UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on January 31, 2009 at 5:29 PM

Chairman Mao did what the people on this board did. He did a few calculations over the problem of sparrows in the rural areas of China, and realized they were a threat to agriculture.

So he began a program to control the sparrow population. You know, because having too many sparrows was going to kill us all!

Then, uh oh, the farmers crops were destroyed because the sparrows ate bugs that infested the plots, and there was great famine.

All because some genius said there shouldn’t be too many sparrows.

So this amateur family planning advice is a little hard to stomach.

jeff_from_mpls on January 31, 2009 at 5:29 PM

First, I have no problem with married couples using fertility treatments to assist with pregnancy. However, I am completely opposed to clinics helping single women get pregnant. Kids are not a fashion accessory or a way to help you deal with a midlife crisis. Study after study has shown that kids do much better in life with two parents to raise them. Go to any prison and ask how many of the inmates had single mothers with no involvement from their fathers.

Second, these kids are already on the dole. The mother has no health insurance so all of the medical care is on the people of California. Apparently the average cost of a baby in the neonatal intensive care unit is $1,000 per day, per baby. In addition, the other six kids are receiving WIC according to their very frustrated grandmother.

There is a psychological disorder where some women are addicted to being pregnant. What is to stop her from getting pregnant again? She has filed bankruptcy and foreclosed on a house, her parents have had to foreclose on their house because they spent so much trying to help her, there is no father providing any type of support, and she won’t be able to afford childcare for 14 kids in order to work herself. These kids are all but guaranteed to be on welfare for years and there is no way to stop her from having more kids.

I have no problem with people like the Duggars in Arkansas having 18 or 50 kids since there are two parents and they are able to pay for them without public assistance. This is a completely different and irresponsible situation for which we will all have to pay for a long time.

ExcessivelyDiverted on January 31, 2009 at 5:29 PM

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