A 10% cut at the Pentagon?

posted at 9:42 am on January 31, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

While the Obama administration tries pushing through its trillion-dollar porkfest of Mall resodding and Medicare expansion, the Pentagon has gotten a much different mission from the White House.  President Obama has demanded a 10% reduction in the defense budget for FY2010, even while we fight a war in Afghanistan and conduct counterterrorist operations around the world:

The Obama administration has asked the military’s Joint Chiefs of Staff to cut the Pentagon’s budget request for the fiscal year 2010 by more than 10 percent — about $55 billion — a senior U.S. defense official tells FOX News.

Last year’s defense budget was $512 billion. Service chiefs and planners will be spending the weekend “burning the midnight oil” looking at ways to cut the budget — looking especially at weapons programs, the defense official said.

Ah … those would be weapons systems that actually employ people, create jobs, and help defend the nation.  That may not be as sexy, figuratively and literally, as buying billions of condoms, but it means that a significant number of good paying (and likely union) jobs will disappear.

I’m not going to argue that the defense budget doesn’t have fat.  I’ve seen defense contracting from the inside, and it stinks.  However, unlike the Obama stimulus bill that will cost more than twice as much as the 2010 defense budget, it’s not 90% fat.  Director Blue reminds us of a few numbers:

• $83 billion in welfare payments
• $81 billion for Medicaid
• $66 billion on “education”, more than the entire Department of Education required just ten years ago
• $36 billion for expanded unemployment benefits
• $20 billion for food stamps
• $8 billion on “renewable energy” projects, which have a low or negative return
• $7 billion for “modernizing federal buildings and facilities”
• $6 billion on urban transit systems, dominated by unions and which, almost universally, lose money
• $2.4 billion for “carbon-capture demonstration projects”
• $2 billion for child-care subsidies
• $1 billion for Amtrak, the federal railroad that’s run in the red for 40 years
• $650 million for “digital TV conversion coupons” (on top of billions already spent)
• $600 million on new cars for government (added to the $3 billion already spent each year)
• $400 million for “global-warming research”
• $50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts

Obama’s busy expanding all of the rest of the government except for its primary, Constitutional mission: defending the nation.

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Unlike other things, spending for defense has good use. It develops technologies and is useful in, ya Know, defense situations. Some of those technologies end up in consumer form, businesses form around them, hire people and sell the products.

tarpon on January 31, 2009 at 11:23 AM

There’s this thing called the Internet…

baldilocks on January 31, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 1:39 PM

Thanks for pointing that out.

Don’t forget the Clinton administration: Korea among other things and mistakes made that left us open to 9/11.

I am fairly sure the top one-hundred worst U.S. foreign policy “mistakes” ever made were all by Democrats, but I just don’t have time to run them all down.

I’m sure you’re right.

INC on January 31, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Well, here we go. I lived through the 90′s in the Defense Industry under the Clinton “peace dividend” with ever more bizarre criteria for layoffs just to get the headcount down. We still haven’t recovered from *that* debacle. If you look at the defense industry, you have a large bi-modal distribution: a large bubble of people heading toward retirement and a smaller bubble with about 10 or less years of experience and very few people in the middle with 10 to 20 years of experience — a product of the Clinton years. Even more, when you look at the amount of money allocated for new development, it is ridiculously small, you have critical programs that have to cut out important activities for lack of a few millions (that’s single Millions) of dollars while the President and his minions are tossing around TRILLIONs of dollars for stimulus. Those defense program shortfalls don’t even fall into roundoff error on the One’s TRILLION dollar stimulus package. Not even his 10% cut to the defense budget will roll a single digit of roundoff error in the stimulus package. This is pure liberal chicken-crap knee-jerk action. Liberals ALWAYS cut the defense budget, ALWAYS.

AZfederalist on January 31, 2009 at 1:49 PM

President Obama has demanded a 10% reduction in the defense budget for FY2010…

I’m all for trimming fat, and I can imagine there is fat in defense spending. But I disagree with aiming for some sort of round number like 10% for the sake of the number.

tartan on January 31, 2009 at 1:52 PM

He is practically painting a bullseye on our country at this point.

WisCon on January 31, 2009 at 12:17 PM

Which is the overarching problem in a nutshell.

baldilocks on January 31, 2009 at 1:52 PM

I’m all for trimming fat, and I can imagine there is fat in defense spending. But I disagree with aiming for some sort of round number like 10% for the sake of the number.

tartan on January 31, 2009 at 1:52 PM

I’m sure we’ll be hearing some drivel about a super-sized scalpel anyday now.

Pianobuff on January 31, 2009 at 1:55 PM

hawkdriver on January 31, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Oh and hey let’s not forget the two US Embassy bombings in Africa.

BTW, I’m flattered by your proposal from yesterday, but I am promised to another warrior. :D

I’m blushing as I type.

baldilocks on January 31, 2009 at 1:57 PM

baldilocks on January 31, 2009 at 1:57 PM

Ah gee!

And thanks to all you guys that give us head pats. It really a lot in person like when we’re coming through an airport and it means a lot here.

hawkdriver on January 31, 2009 at 2:02 PM

Drudge Report: Iran says Obama’s offer to talk shows US failure… ‘Western ideology has become passive’…

And there you have it, Ladies and Gentlemen. The fruits of Obama’s “outreach”. This is going to be a L-O-N-G and painful four years.

DrStock on January 31, 2009 at 2:03 PM

Talk about fiddling while Rome burns.

INC on January 31, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Obama isn’t fiddling, he’s out there hastily lighting the fires.

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Maxx,

Much better analogy than mine.

INC on January 31, 2009 at 2:06 PM

Obama isn’t fiddling, he’s out there hastily lighting the fires.

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 2:04 PM

He’s trying controlled burns in 60 mph winds.

thomasaur on January 31, 2009 at 2:07 PM

thomasaur on January 31, 2009 at 2:07 PM

Stay upwind.

hawkdriver on January 31, 2009 at 2:10 PM

As long as it is not personnel cuts as happened in the nineties this is not as bad as it appears. Why? because many of the major defense programs are of dubious value and more often than not are pushed by retired admirals and generals who get paid big bucks to tap into their networks of active duty colleagues.
Recall the B1, Milstar and the one hundred C130s the AF was told they must buy despite the service chiefs advising they had no use for them.

Bradky on January 31, 2009 at 2:10 PM

As far as there being fat in the pentagon, from what I’ve observed, the majority of that is driven by congressionally mandated laws that dictate extreme amounts of oversight and other processes with overhead costs that often exceed the value of the contracts they are trying to oversee.

AZfederalist on January 31, 2009 at 2:11 PM

this is just the begining of cutting the military. Cut Fat yes….in all goverment depts not just the military

robo on January 31, 2009 at 2:12 PM

He will also eliminate our WMDs; he said so.

baldilocks on January 31, 2009 at 2:13 PM

hawkdriver,

I want to join in thanking you and the other members of the military who comment here.

I have tried to overcome shyness in approaching a stranger when I see someone in uniform to say thanks. It’s good to know that it’s an encouragement to you.

INC on January 31, 2009 at 2:15 PM

Stay upwind.

hawkdriver on January 31, 2009 at 2:10 PM

You do the same and keep your powder dry. Godspeed Soldier

thomasaur on January 31, 2009 at 2:17 PM

INC on January 31, 2009 at 2:15 PM

It’s an encouragement to all of us. If your shy in approaching us, it won’t make us feel any less humble for your thanks!

I think I speak for all, it’s our honor to serve all of you as well as our nation

catmman on January 31, 2009 at 2:19 PM

I thank every serviceperson i see. and on those “big” days like Veterans Day, Memorial Day, 4th of JUly, i call many veterans just to let them know that they are not forgotten, but in fact, very appreciated.

kelley in virginia on January 31, 2009 at 2:20 PM

catmman,

Thanks and thank you!

INC on January 31, 2009 at 2:20 PM

catmman/hawkdriver and others – Another family here grateful for your service. . Thank you!!!

Pianobuff on January 31, 2009 at 2:21 PM

They can start cutting costs by not flying to San Diego, etc, to find a place for the Gitmo Boys.
Perhaps Barry will cut the military so much that most military bases in the country will close…then he can send them to live with people like my father who think that they’re ‘absolutely innocent’. I think they could take on more than a dozen of them, if they buy more beds. The spacious hallway upstairs could be their prayer room. (This could be my excuse for not staying with them next time we visit: no empty beds).

Christine on January 31, 2009 at 2:22 PM

I have tried to overcome shyness in approaching a stranger when I see someone in uniform to say thanks. It’s good to know that it’s an encouragement to you.

INC on January 31, 2009 at 2:15 PM

Believe me, it was hard the first time someone did it to me too.

It is a weird feeling but now I appreciate it very much.

Squid Shark on January 31, 2009 at 2:23 PM

I think I speak for all, it’s our honor to serve all of you as well as our nation

catmman on January 31, 2009 at 2:19 PM

Dittos

Squid Shark on January 31, 2009 at 2:24 PM

They can start cutting costs by not flying to San Diego, etc, to find a place for the Gitmo Boys.
Perhaps Barry will cut the military so much that most military bases in the country will close…then he can send them to live with people like my father who think that they’re ‘absolutely innocent’. I think they could take on more than a dozen of them, if they buy more beds. The spacious hallway upstairs could be their prayer room. (This could be my excuse for not staying with them next time we visit: no empty beds).

Christine on January 31, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Well, at least they stand a good chance of having free condoms.

Pianobuff on January 31, 2009 at 2:25 PM

He’s been prez for a couple of weeks and he’s already zeroed in on the Military of his first announced target for cuts? How did he analyze that so quickly?
Of all the useless redundancies in the government agencies and herds of marginally needed..if at all..3rd tier lickspittles and their assistants, his target is the military??

Impeach on grounds of gross incompetency.

Itchee Dryback on January 31, 2009 at 2:27 PM

Itchee Dryback on January 31, 2009 at 2:27 PM

The cuts were the plan all along. It’s the default Dem/Lib mode. The only part of the government they can cut without pissing on a special interest group IS the military.

Don’t worry. this is just the first round. By this time next year, they’ll be wanting another 10-15%. Gotta get up to that Barney Frank 25% mark.

catmman on January 31, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Squid Shark,

Thank you for your service!

INC on January 31, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Recall the B1, Milstar and the one hundred C130s the AF

And they’re still being used today. Inter-theater transport via the C17 and C-130s are indispensable.

And although not “indispensable” the Lancer is still being used today in Afghanistan.

hawkdriver on January 31, 2009 at 2:31 PM

I think I speak for all, it’s our honor to serve all of you as well as our nation

catmman on January 31, 2009 at 2:19 PM

Dittos

Squid Shark on January 31, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Huge and immeasurable thanks to you all. The sacrifice and commitment that you offer makes the people of the military the moral high watermark of this nation.

Itchee Dryback on January 31, 2009 at 2:32 PM

catmman/hawkdriver and other AF members:

OT, but as a father of four young boys, I can’t say thanks enough for the work that you and others do to protect my freedoms and future freedoms of my boys. I sincerely hope that they can grow up to have the same honor, love of country and devotion to freedom that so many in the armed forces fight and die for every day. Thanks again.

volnation on January 31, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Dittos

Squid Shark on January 31, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Yep, me too.

hawkdriver on January 31, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 1:39 PM

How Would FDR have accomplished that? Patton wanted to rearm the Germans and attack the Russians. It didn’t happen, The World was tired of WAR. There was no Public Will to accomplish those ends. Kind of like when General Schwarzkopf wanted to go all the way to Baghdad and he was pulled up short. I forget whose idea was that not to finish the job Colin Powells? Powell the consummate Politician couldn’t see the Political advantage in decapitating Saddam during the first gulf war so we ended up with another one.

Dr Evil on January 31, 2009 at 2:34 PM

hawkdriver on January 31, 2009 at 2:31 PM

Either you have confidence in the service chiefs or you have faith in congress to determine the military requirements. When you tell your bosses you need certain type of equipment do you expect them to support it or do you rely on the “outsiders” to tell you that this piece of equipment produced in their district is what you need even though you know it is not true?
The B1 is pretty much worthless and used as show. Milstar was originally intended for SIOP continuity for which it never really proved itself – now it is used primarily by the army as manpacks.
Had the service chiefs advice been followed when requirements eventually arose the technology would have been better and more fitting for the requirement at hand.

Bradky on January 31, 2009 at 2:40 PM

How Would FDR have accomplished that?

Dr Evil on January 31, 2009 at 2:34 PM

I don’t understand your question. How would FDR accomplish what? He did indeed accomplish giving away the freedom of millions of people to the fascist Joseph Stalin. He did indeed accomplish stacking the Supreme Court with leftist that allowed our gold and silver money to be replaced with paper. He did indeed bring about the Social Security system that has played a major roll in the bankruptcy of America. I could go on.

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Yep Schwarzkopf and Powell. The President at the time was a Republican George H W Bush do I think he was wrong I don’t think he had the Internation Communities support just like his son didn’t have the International Communities support when he invaded Iraq. And look at the way the International Community has treated George W Bush and now we have Barack H Obama- Called by Dr Douglas Brinkley Historian the first Global or International President.

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-12600149_ITM

Dr Evil on January 31, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 2:41 PM

How Could he get the Allies to turn around and Attack The Soviet Union? How could FDR get them to turn on the Soviets and Fight them? How could he get public support in our own country at the time to expand the WAR to the Soviet Union?

Dr Evil on January 31, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Don’t worry. this is just the first round. By this time next year, they’ll be wanting another 10-15%. Gotta get up to that Barney Frank 25% mark.

catmman on January 31, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Hopefully there is still time for an rousting of the energy that lives in the collective values of this country, and the “Sleeping Giant” awakes in an American version of Holger Danske.

“But the most beautiful sight of all is old Kronborg, and in a deep, dark cellar beneath it, where no one ever goes, sleeps Holger Danske. He is clad in iron and steel and rests his head on his strange arms; his long beard hangs down over the marble table and has grown through it. He sleeps and dreams, and in his dreams he sees all that happens here in Denmark. Every Christmas Eve one of God’s angels comes to him and tells him that what he had dreamed is true; he may sleep again, for no real peril threatens Denmark. But should real danger come, old Holger Danske will rise in his fury, and the table itself will burst as he wrenches his beard from it, and the mighty blows he strikes for Denmark will be heard throughout the world.”

Itchee Dryback on January 31, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Dr Evil on January 31, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Revisionist history aside…

Schwarzkopf did not want to stop… and there were some very interesting rumours at the time that he said he would resign if they made him stop…

And then… a few months later… he resigned… ie retired.

I remember when the order to stop came down… we were all very very suprised by it… as we all expected to continue Ops.

Romeo13 on January 31, 2009 at 2:48 PM

The B1 is pretty much worthless and used as show.

Had the service chiefs advice been followed when requirements eventually arose the technology would have been better and more fitting for the requirement at hand.

Bradky on January 31, 2009 at 2:40 PM

The B1 was built for a war which thankfully never came (yet). I’m not sure it’s worthless though. It can drop JDAMs can’t it?

As for the second part, are you suggesting the US military should put off anticipating what equipment may be required in the future and instead wait for the calls to come in from the battlefield?

DarkCurrent on January 31, 2009 at 2:49 PM

He also said he would get rid of any satellite based defense systems. And our nukes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb6EE3C7uWE < Right here is 52 seconds.

As Rush says, “Elections have consequences!” Sometimes (like now) very bad consequences.

Dasher on January 31, 2009 at 2:49 PM

Wow, even I didn’t expect he would openly violate the oath of office in the first 2 weeks… There are some seriously mendacious people pulling that man’s strings… And who does Greg Craig report to???

phreshone on January 31, 2009 at 2:53 PM

Bradky on January 31, 2009 at 2:40 PM

I wasn’t completely disagreeing with you. I was just saying the military has a knack for putting the “stuff” to really good use. And honestly, I don’t know why anyone would say no to the C130. Dog, it is the GWOT stuff moving workhorse and fills C17 gaps very nicely as it did in the past for the C5A and C141.

hawkdriver on January 31, 2009 at 2:55 PM

DarkCurrent on January 31, 2009 at 2:49 PM

I spent 26 years in the AF and have a little inside knowledge on these subjects. The B1 was not really stealthy nor useful.
As for the “second part” you miss the point entirely. If the service chiefs are saying they don’t need something they consider the costs associated with arming, equipping and training the people who use it as well as whether it really serves any purpose. Their entire career is spent planning for the various types of battlefields we may encounter and identifying the types of things they need to support it. In other words they are the resident experts.
My favorite example of this (and I readily acknolwedge dems are just as bad) was when congress told the AF they needed to buy 100 C130 hurricane hunters. The AF Chief advised them that they didn’t need them and didn’t have the pilots to fly them. Congress wouldn’t take no for an answer and force the AF to use its budget to pay for them. They were produced in Newt Gingrich’s district and based in MS – Trent Lott’s stomping grounds.

Lott and Gingrich may be brilliant politicos but they don’t know squat about AF requirements.

Bradky on January 31, 2009 at 2:55 PM

Dr Evil, Romeo13:

When I first learned about Powell’s part in not taking Saddam (and I also seem to remember something about him micromanaging) that is when I started losing respect for him.

INC on January 31, 2009 at 2:56 PM

hawkdriver on January 31, 2009 at 2:55 PM

Copy that. thanks.

Bradky on January 31, 2009 at 2:57 PM

Bradky on January 31, 2009 at 2:55 PM

I stand corrected.

DarkCurrent on January 31, 2009 at 3:02 PM

How Could he get the Allies to turn around and Attack The Soviet Union? How could FDR get them to turn on the Soviets and Fight them? How could he get public support in our own country at the time to expand the WAR to the Soviet Union?

Dr Evil on January 31, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Firstly I’m not sure that a fight would have ensued, the Russians were tired of war too. Secondly, FDR was the Commander in Chief, his generals would have followed orders, I think the Allies would have understood the necessity to fight back the Russians if necessary and we would have kicked their butts in short order and the Russians would have known that.

And FDR could have got public support just like he got public support for everything else, make a case for it to the American people. The American people would not have stood for the enslavement of millions that by right of our victory, should have been free. FDR himself admitted it was a “big mistake” before he died. FDR said he “trusted” the known fascist Joseph Stalin. Purely ludicrous!

So with that monumental “mistake” combined with his long list of other actions that began the socialization of America, I ask again, who’s side was he on.

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 3:03 PM

INC on January 31, 2009 at 2:56 PM

And he turned around and endorsed Barack H Obama over a fellow Vietnam Veteran. That Endorsement- not what I would call icing on the cake more like the stuff you have to scrape off the bottom of your shoe. But it played well to the people who read “People” Magazine.

Dr Evil on January 31, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Don’t you know that that $55 billion now being spent on a neo-con war can better be spent breeding peace unicorns?!

CP on January 31, 2009 at 3:14 PM

Dr Evil on January 31, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Yeah, during the elections a lot of us who served under him were going “WTF”. I thought at one time he might be a strong Republican presidential contender.

hawkdriver on January 31, 2009 at 3:16 PM

Dr Evil,

Oh, I agree. When he endorsed Obama, I thought well, everything he’s done has been leading to this. (Let me mention the Armitage-Powell Plame connection).

INC on January 31, 2009 at 3:16 PM

CP on January 31, 2009 at 3:14 PM

They’ll only be useful if they have lasers.

hawkdriver on January 31, 2009 at 3:16 PM

The 10% Defense Cut. First, it depends what programs are cut — as pointed out above. Second, which expenditure tally is being used as the base? Third, what time horizon is being used for the execution of the actual cuts? Fourth, none of that matters since they elected a community organizer who would rather build Tony Rezko housing and chase after energy sources that have as much chance of working as his getting into Harvard without affirmative action.

Most of all, be grateful that He just didn’t check the amount of money spent for the defense budget for Indonesia and use that. He was safe there wasn’t he?

IlikedAUH2O on January 31, 2009 at 3:20 PM

There’s this thing called the (Al Gore) Internet…

baldilocks on January 31, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Johan Klaus on January 31, 2009 at 3:22 PM

So with that monumental “mistake” combined with his long list of other actions that began the socialization of America, I ask again, who’s side was he on.

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 3:03 PM

I have been told that FDR made a deal with Stalin at the time the US joined the war, involving how Europe (and Germany in particular) would be divided up into spheres of influence for the USSR and everyone else. That was when those people were sold out.

Count to 10 on January 31, 2009 at 3:25 PM

I was reading through the cover for a Prodigy CD I have, “Fat of the Land”, when I noticed a statement that runs across it. It goes something like “Which will we make, guns or butter? Guns make us safe. Butter only makes us fat.”

Count to 10 on January 31, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Dr Evil on January 31, 2009 at 2:42 PM

The first president of the world? So, you want other nations to tell us whether or not we can protect ourselves from terrorist? And, are you for banning guns in the U.S., or world, since we have a world president?

Johan Klaus on January 31, 2009 at 3:33 PM

“But the most beautiful sight of all is old Kronborg, and in a deep, dark cellar beneath it, where no one ever goes, sleeps Holger Danske. He is clad in iron and steel and rests his head on his strange arms; his long beard hangs down over the marble table and has grown through it. He sleeps and dreams, and in his dreams he sees all that happens here in Denmark. Every Christmas Eve one of God’s angels comes to him and tells him that what he had dreamed is true; he may sleep again, for no real peril threatens Denmark. But should real danger come, old Holger Danske will rise in his fury, and the table itself will burst as he wrenches his beard from it, and the mighty blows he strikes for Denmark will be heard throughout the world.”

Itchee Dryback on January 31, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Don’t let Obama hear you tell that story, or he’ll slash the military budget by 95% and divert the other 5% to the Crazy Danish Giant In The Basement Defense Initiative. Hey, if it’s good enough for Denmark’s defense…

Doctor Zero on January 31, 2009 at 3:36 PM

Can we save money by firing the Commander in Cheif ?

William Amos on January 31, 2009 at 3:39 PM

Don’t you know that that $55 billion now being spent on a neo-con war can better be spent breeding peace unicorns?!

CP on January 31, 2009 at 3:14 PM

Yeah, but those peace unicorns don’t fly planes into buildings.

Johan Klaus on January 31, 2009 at 3:40 PM

As predicted, we’re well on our way to mimicing the typical European welfare state. Feckless military, stagnant economy, open immigration and down the road, extinction.

NNtrancer on January 31, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Johan Klaus on January 31, 2009 at 3:33 PM

I was quoting Dr Douglas Brinkley on Imus in the Morning he made the statement that Barack H Obama is our first International or Global President.

Here is a link to the interview on my Blog, scroll to the bottom it’s highlighted you can listen to Dr Brinkley in his own words.

http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/2009/01/update-now-obama-is-scottish.html

I Voted for Palin.

Dr Evil on January 31, 2009 at 3:44 PM

I have been told that FDR made a deal with Stalin at the time the US joined the war, involving how Europe (and Germany in particular) would be divided up into spheres of influence for the USSR and everyone else. That was when those people were sold out.

Count to 10 on January 31, 2009 at 3:25 PM

W. Bush went so far as to apologize for it during his speech in Latvia on May 7, 2005. This is one of the few apologies I agree with and it was long overdue.

Bush accurately blamed Yalta for “the captivity of millions in Central and Eastern Europe” and said it “will be remembered as one of the greatest wrongs of history.” This admission has been 50 years coming, and Bush’s words assure that “the legacy of Yalta was finally buried, once and for all.”

Phyllis Schlafly

Maxx on January 31, 2009 at 3:49 PM

There’s this thing called the (Al Gore) Internet…

baldilocks on January 31, 2009 at 1:49 PM
Johan Klaus on January 31, 2009 at 3:22 PM

Heh.

baldilocks on January 31, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Yeah, but those peace unicorns don’t fly planes into buildings.

Johan Klaus on January 31, 2009 at 3:40 PM

I’ll bet they poop dirty bombs brown skittles on the street, though.

baldilocks on January 31, 2009 at 3:53 PM

Bradky you’re an idiot. The B1 is seeing plenty of action over in Iraq. We know people who fly her…beautiful plane.

Oh, and for all those “true conservatives” who refused to vote for McCain, and who spent October sniping at him,etc…this military wife says “thanks so very much.”

I’ve been disgusted since the election every time some benighted fool writes a “conservatives will be happier with Pres Obama than they would have been with Pres McCain.”

really? So far we’ve got the “stimulus” and now a huge military budget cut. His insane socialist global warming science advisors haven’t even done anything yet.

funky chicken on January 31, 2009 at 4:15 PM

he’ll slash the military budget by 95% and divert the other 5% to the Crazy Danish Giant In The Basement Defense Initiative. Hey, if it’s good enough for Denmark’s defense…

Doctor Zero on January 31, 2009 at 3:36 PM

Daaang!…you might be right.

Never mind.

Itchee Dryback on January 31, 2009 at 4:24 PM

(Let me mention the Armitage-Powell Plame connection).

INC on January 31, 2009 at 3:16 PM

And, as others have mentioned, Powell was the one who stopped us from finishing Saddam back in 1992 when it would have cost us far fewer than 4100 of our people.

funky chicken on January 31, 2009 at 4:25 PM

funky chicken on January 31, 2009 at 4:15 PM

As far as I am concerned, there should be a twenty percent raise in military pay and a one hundred percent pay raise for combat pay. The raise can be taken out of the thirty to forty percent of welfare and medicaid fraud. That will probably leave about ten percent, so that jobs will not be lost for folks that live off of the fraud.

Johan Klaus on January 31, 2009 at 4:25 PM

I also just don’t see McCain as the type to appoint a Geithner or Daschle. McCain’s not got a real soft spot for cheats or criminals, from what I’ve seen over the years.

standard disclaimer–I didn’t want McCain during the primaries and certainly didn’t vote for him then.

funky chicken on January 31, 2009 at 4:28 PM

Johan Klaus on January 31, 2009 at 4:25 PM

I’m all for a pay raise. Especially when the vast majority of lower ranking enlisted men and women qualify for food stamps and WIC. Yes, WIC. Our commissary accepts WIC coupons. It is sad to see so many who sacrafice so much receive so little.

milwife88 on January 31, 2009 at 4:29 PM

funky chicken on January 31, 2009 at 4:15 PM

AMEN. He has no clue how this is going to effect not just our families but the enitre country as a whole. Agree aboutthe B1 as well. It is an awesome piece of air power.

milwife88 on January 31, 2009 at 4:34 PM

I’ll bet they poop dirty bombs brown skittles on the street, though.

baldilocks on January 31, 2009 at 3:53 PM

You don’t put much trust in unicorns.

the_nile on January 31, 2009 at 4:41 PM

As predicted, we’re well on our way to mimicing the typical European welfare state. Feckless military, stagnant economy, open immigration and down the road, extinction.

NNtrancer on January 31, 2009 at 3:41 PM

What’s wrong with that..

the_nile on January 31, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Bradky on January 31, 2009 at 2:55 PM

Even if there are overspending , it doesn’t go away just because you cut 10% .

the_nile on January 31, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Well, I would say that Secdef Gates has a moral decision to make.

MB4 on January 31, 2009 at 5:02 PM

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Which of the following fit the above criteria from Article 1, Section 8:
• Department of Defense funding – Yes
• $83 billion in welfare payments – No
• $81 billion for Medicaid – No
• $66 billion on “education”, more than the entire Department of Education required just ten years ago – No
• $36 billion for expanded unemployment benefits – No
• $20 billion for food stamps – No
• $8 billion on “renewable energy” projects, which have a low or negative return – No
• $7 billion for “modernizing federal buildings and facilities” – No
• $6 billion on urban transit systems, dominated by unions and which, almost universally, lose money – No
• $2.4 billion for “carbon-capture demonstration projects” – No
• $2 billion for child-care subsidies – No
• $1 billion for Amtrak, the federal railroad that’s run in the red for 40 years – No
• $650 million for “digital TV conversion coupons” (on top of billions already spent) – No
• $600 million on new cars for government (added to the $3 billion already spent each year) – No
• $400 million for “global-warming research” – No
• $50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts – No
I’ll mail the DNC and President Obama a copy of the Constitution on Monday morning. I’m also going to apply for the Harvard Law Review Presidency- apparently it doesn’t require a knowledge of the Constitution.

Send_Me on January 31, 2009 at 5:05 PM

What’s wrong with that..

the_nile on January 31, 2009 at 4:43 PM

I haven’t made room in my agenda for extinction.

Johan Klaus on January 31, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Send_Me on January 31, 2009 at 5:05 PM

But who is going to subsidize illegal immigration, so that a head of lettuce will not be twenty five dollars a head. Constitution, what’s that?

Johan Klaus on January 31, 2009 at 5:10 PM

In the past few months, I’ve had two brothers laid off from defense industry jobs. This doesn’t bode well for them to be hired back anytime soon.

Look like they’ll be working at McDonalds for awhile.

The Ugly American on January 31, 2009 at 5:18 PM

He is practically painting a bullseye on our country at this point.

WisCon on January 31, 2009 at 12:17 PM

And hoping they hit a bullseye, too. I truly believe that. Go ahead…call me names.

SouthernGent on January 31, 2009 at 5:26 PM

You don’t need a strong military to surrender. The only question is: surrender to whom? Islam or China?

n0doz on January 31, 2009 at 5:27 PM

He’s about to blow a trillion dollars on total bullshit and take money from the only heroic organization left on this frickin planet, our military.
…….Yeah, our New Black Jimmy Carter!

try again later on January 31, 2009 at 5:31 PM

Oslime-a is the most ridiculous black skinned person I have ever had the misfortune of being exposed to. He is so vile, he gives piles of cold human excrement a modicum of credibility.

csdeven on January 31, 2009 at 5:52 PM

funky chicken on January 31, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Always with the name calling…
Thanks for supporting the troops. My wife did the same thing for 26 years while I was active duty. I love her dearly for her sacrifices and support.
But it didn’t make her an expert on military equipment or acquisition. The same applies to you.

Bradky on January 31, 2009 at 5:59 PM

the_nile on January 31, 2009 at 4:44 PM

If you cut 10% off major military purchases that has the effect of making the defense contractors compete that much harder to put out products that the troops really need and that are less expensive — you know free market principles.
I feel for the defense contractors, many whom are my friends. But they are adults and understand the business they are in and the risks regarding employment. Let’s not promote an alternate form of welfare just to keep defense contractors happy and unnecessary jobs filled.

Bradky on January 31, 2009 at 6:02 PM

This is the same thing with forcing homosexuals to be public in the military. This is what happens when people who have never served try to force their mindset on the military. I just conducted a “health and safety” inspection with some other military officers and senior enlisted last week, and you people outside the military have no idea what is going to happen when you force homosexuality to be public in the military, in addition to transvestites destroying morale.

My point is the same thing I have been saying for months: the American people gave the military a big middle finger on November the 4th. Obama made is plans for the military quite clear before the election, and the american people elected him anyway.

TTheoLogan on January 31, 2009 at 6:10 PM

I love how Agmadinejad gave him a big finger, for all that ‘friendly letter’.

Recall the B1, Milstar and the one hundred C130s the AF was told they must buy despite the service chiefs advising they had no use for them.

Bradky on January 31, 2009 at 2:10 PM

I read that Carter cut the B1-A. It took for Ronald Reagan to approve the B1-B, which is much weaker, and which has been used a lot. When thos “chiefs” spoke they didn’t know about 9/11/01.

Entelechy on January 31, 2009 at 6:12 PM

I’m anti a society that only invests in its military to the exclusion of other things.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 31, 2009 at 12:31 PM

We’re talking federal money here. What is your problem with the Constitution? Why would you willingly choose tyranny over liberty?

It seems the GOP has gone so far as to suggest education itself is useless, when its the basis for our very civilization.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 31, 2009 at 12:31 PM

It may seem that way to you, but that’s not that case. We just take the US Constitutional approach on how and what federal dollars should be spent on. Suggesting that we follow (and expect those politicians to follow their oath to protect the Constitution) a more strict adherence to our Constitution is not even close to saying ‘no more education.’ That is a major flaw and fallacy of deduction on your bad logic. Unless, of course, you believe things cannot exist outside of federal control. In which case, you advocate tyranny and are against liberty. Care to explain why…?

anuts on January 31, 2009 at 6:13 PM

TTheoLogan on January 31, 2009 at 6:10 PM

+10

hawkdriver on January 31, 2009 at 6:17 PM

Itchee Dryback on January 31, 2009 at 2:27 PM

The cuts were the plan all along. It’s the default Dem/Lib mode. The only part of the government they can cut without pissing on a special interest group IS the military.

Don’t worry. this is just the first round. By this time next year, they’ll be wanting another 10-15%. Gotta get up to that Barney Frank 25% mark.

catmman on January 31, 2009 at 2:30 PM

During the campaign, then candidate Obama said he’d cut the military, so it should not be a surprise. I hope those service members who voted for him knew that prior to deciding on who to vote for.

SLightly O/T, but a corolary exists with many groups who voted for him. Believing, practicing Catholics voted for him even though he told NARAL he’d sign the FOCA. I hope they considered this prior to their vote, because they should rightfully share in the blame for the deaths of those yet to be aborted.

Red State State of Mind on January 31, 2009 at 6:19 PM

csdeven on January 31, 2009 at 5:52 PM

Let it out..what do you really think of him?

Heh..heh.

Itchee Dryback on January 31, 2009 at 6:20 PM

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