Popularity of stimulus package dropping

posted at 8:39 am on January 30, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The bad news from Rasmussen?  More people support the Obama stimulus package than oppose it.  The good news?  The gap between them is less than the margin of error, down from 11 points last week.  In a new Rasmussen poll, the Porkfest Formerly Known As Stimulus only gets 42% support, while 39% oppose it:

Public support for the economic recovery plan crafted by President Obama and congressional Democrats has slipped a bit over the past week. At the same time, expectations that the plan will quickly become law have increased.

Forty-two percent (42%) of the nation’s likely voters now support the president’s plan, roughly one-third of which is tax cuts with the rest new government spending. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 39% are opposed to it and 19% are undecided. Liberal voters overwhelmingly support the plan while conservatives are strongly opposed.

Last week, support for the President’s plan was at 45% and opposition at 34%.

Rasmussen has only started polling on this, so that’s the extent of their trending.  The nine-point drop in the gap over a one-week period shows that the electorate has gotten more skeptical about massive government spending.  Republicans have done a good job of getting their message out, and they have succeeded especially among independents.  A week ago, independents had a virtual dead heat on the bill, 37%-36% in favor.  Now independents oppose it 50%-27%.  Democrats really are on their own with this bill.

Republicans also appear to have made gains by offering their tax-cut alternatives.  That approach gets a plurality for support, 43%-39%, and a stronger plurality among independents, 48%-33%.

Democrats rattled some sabers yesterday by threatening to withdraw the tax cuts after getting no Republican votes.  According to Rasmussen, a plan with only government spending gets the worst response of all.  Overall, voters oppose that idea 70%-15%, and it flops in every demographic Rasmussen tracks.  Even Democratic voter oppose it by a solid majority, 57%-23%, as do self-described liberals, 54%-29%.

The Democrats are on thin ice with this package.  It’s not exactly unpopular, but it’s starting to get there.  They need Republicans badly in the Senate, but will they start negotiating and begin to trim off the excessive spending to get them on board?  The House Democrats wouldn’t do it, and it will be interesting to see whether Harry Reid will want to bargain or to give a demonstration of power.  The Gang of 14 effort being spearheaded by Ben Nelson might help, but Republicans need to hold firm and insist that all non-immediate and non-stimulus spending get stripped — which would probably make this a $120 billion bill rather than the $900 billion version sitting in the Senate.


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Or it’s a really BIG purely stimulus bill, which is what the country needs. Also get the foreclosure thing handled. There needs to be aggressive authority given to judges to renegotiate mortgages held by any bank who receives bailout money. There needs to be a massive reduction in interest rates on existing debt to allow folks to bring themselves out from underwater. Take it or leaving financial sector. Hopefully the dems will grow balls and do the things they were elected to do.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 30, 2009 at 8:43 AM

Oh and we know that the reason Republicans are getting their message out, they’ve dominated cable news appearances 2-1 compared to Democrats. http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/28/cable-news-stimulus/

DeathToMediaHacks on January 30, 2009 at 8:44 AM

Can you spell: “Far Left Radical Porkulus Bill”???

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Mark Garnett on January 30, 2009 at 8:44 AM

I wonder if these are some to the reasons the Paparazzi President is having a hard time with his “Pay to Play” ripoff of the American People:(via Instapundit)

A Bleak Day

By Ben Stein on 1.29.09 @ 9:31AM
http://spectator.org/archives/2009/01/29/a-bleak-day

I love this. The new kind of politics of hope. Eight hours of debate in the HR to pass a bill spending $820 billion, or roughly $102 billion per hour of debate.

Only ten per cent of the “stimulus” to be spent on 2009.

Close to half goes to entities that sponsor or employ or both members of the Service Employees International Union, federal, state, and municipal employee unions, or other Democrat-controlled unions.

This bill is sent to Congress after Obama has been in office for seven days. It is 680 pages long. According to my calculations, not one member of Congress read the entire bill before this vote. Obviously, it would have been impossible, given his schedule, for President Obama to have read the entire bill.

For the amount spent we could have given every unemployed person in the United States roughly $75,000.

We could give every person who had lost a job and is now passing through long-term unemployment of six months or longer roughly $300,000.

There has been pork barrel politics since there has been politics. The scale of this pork is beyond what had ever been imagined before — and no one can be sure it will actually do much stimulation.

The more we learn about this Pork boondoggle,the worse it gets.

Republicans on the hill need to stand strong against this corrupt legislation and push their bill as hard as possible

“YES WE CAN”

Baxter Greene on January 30, 2009 at 8:45 AM

Time to get the tar feathers and pitch forks folks!!!

grapeknutz on January 30, 2009 at 8:46 AM

A weak compromise by the Republicans in the senate means nothing. They need to insist on a porkless bill in the very least. In the meantime they need to double down on their efforts to educate the general public.

The pressure on the Dems has to come from their constituents for it to be effective.

pugwriter on January 30, 2009 at 8:48 AM

The Democrats Cleptocrats will not negotiate, but sadly the Senate Republicans will probably do what ever Dingy Harry ask them to. They are immoral unethical and without conscience.

doriangrey on January 30, 2009 at 8:48 AM

What was it Lincoln said about fooling all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time.

MarkTheGreat on January 30, 2009 at 8:48 AM

DeathToMediaHacks on January 30, 2009 at 8:43 AM

Surpise surprise, our resident troll believes that the answer to any problem is to spend unlimited amounts of other people’s money. (OPM)

MarkTheGreat on January 30, 2009 at 8:49 AM

Those statistics are interesting.Especially since the majority of the public probably are not familiar with the specifics of the bill but still understand what a stinker it is.
Even the most casual observer realizes the enormity of spending $1 trillion dollars in an economy in a down turn.
It would be like someone who is in dire financial straights deciding to buy a brand new Ford F-150 in hopes that he will be able to plow snow and haul rubbish to earn money when he can’t even afford the payments or pay his rent.

NeoKong on January 30, 2009 at 8:49 AM

Hmmm Rasmussen which had McCain winning Indiana, North Carolina and within striking distance in Ohio, Colorado, PA and, in general, underestimated Obama’s support by 4-5 points in every state is reporting the bill is losing popularity. Gallup, which got the national margin right on the nose shows support being stronger.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/114028/Slim-Majority-Supports-Economic-Stimulus-Plan.aspx

It’s also a bit wierd that every polling agency besides Rasmussen has Obama at a +40 or so approval rating and he has him at +20 or so. When it comes to polling data, outliers matter. But guess which poll the “liberal media” are going to push. That’s right, the one least in favor of the stimulus because they are hacks.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 30, 2009 at 8:49 AM

Oh and we know that the reason Republicans are getting their message out, they’ve dominated cable news appearances 2-1 compared to Democrats. http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/28/cable-news-stimulus/

DeathToMediaHacks on January 30, 2009 at 8:44 AM

Nope, wrong, as usual you wack job lib hack….

This bill is a flaming pile of radical poop… It is FULL of PORK and Americans are finding out the truth and BURNING UP THE PHONES… Did you notice you MORON, the Democrats are souring on the PORK also… and your favorit folks DURNING election time, the INDEPENDANTS are turning vastly against “your” crap sandwich… So go blow farts in a fan.

Tax Cuts, Spending Cuts, Welfare Cuts would actulay save jobs, create jobs and save homes… NOT more power to radical leftist judges to “impose” help for STUPID people that got in over thier heads because they are morons like you…

Mark Garnett on January 30, 2009 at 8:50 AM

It’s not exactly unpopular, but it’s starting to get there.

Wait until after it trashes an already bad economy.
Carter X 2

jgapinoy on January 30, 2009 at 8:50 AM

Wait until after it trashes an already bad economy.
Carter X 10

jgapinoy on January 30, 2009 at 8:50 AM

fix’d

doriangrey on January 30, 2009 at 8:51 AM

Call it by its proper name, “The 2008 Treasury rape”, and it will become even more unpopular.

rplat on January 30, 2009 at 8:52 AM

If the “buy America” provisions aren’t removed, we are going to have to call up our grand parents and ask them how best to survive a depression.

MarkTheGreat on January 30, 2009 at 8:52 AM

Mark Garnett on January 30, 2009 at 8:50 AM

So you’re denying that Republicans have outnumbered Dems 2-1 on cable news appearances? Do you have data to back that up or are you just going to call me names?

DeathToMediaHacks on January 30, 2009 at 8:53 AM

MarkTheGreat on January 30, 2009 at 8:49 AM

Amen, but I also liked this part

aggressive authority given to judges to renegotiate mortgages

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Cindy Munford on January 30, 2009 at 8:56 AM

Also get the foreclosure thing handled. There needs to be aggressive authority given to judges to renegotiate mortgages held by any bank who receives bailout money.

Yes, it’s called sell the houses in foreclosure sales. There are many eager buyers for foreclosed properties. If you could not afford your house to begin with I doubt you could afford it even with a debt re-structure. There are many fine neighborhoods available for those folks who lose their houses…it’s called apartment living. I did that for 10 years and saved enough money to buy a house.

izoneguy on January 30, 2009 at 8:56 AM

Oh and we know that the reason Republicans are getting their message out, they’ve dominated cable news appearances 2-1 compared to Democrats. http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/28/cable-news-stimulus/

DeathToMediaHacks on January 30, 2009 at 8:44 AM

And The Messiah has been on Time 19 times in two years and has his own network MSNBC and his own paper the NYT, so your point is….

Call Chris Matthews and see if he’s still got the tingle for this pork laden bunch of crap… Please tell us, oh cultist, how this huge pile of liberal pablem creates one job, or stimultes anything… STD Pork, SOD for a park pork, Condoms Pork… Can’t wait for this…

Mark Garnett on January 30, 2009 at 8:56 AM

Yes, it’s called sell the houses in foreclosure sales. There are many eager buyers for foreclosed properties. If you could not afford your house to begin with I doubt you could afford it even with a debt re-structure. There are many fine neighborhoods available for those folks who lose their houses…it’s called apartment living. I did that for 10 years and saved enough money to buy a house.

izoneguy on January 30, 2009 at 8:56 AM

AMEN, shout it Brother!!! Teach it, preach it!!!

Mark Garnett on January 30, 2009 at 8:58 AM

This bill is a flaming pile of radical poop… It is FULL of PORK

Unlease 1000 pigs in DC on Monday to send a message….
Or send you Senator a pound of bacon….
Call, e-mail, fax your Senator and let them know how you feel….

izoneguy on January 30, 2009 at 8:58 AM

Even Joe Biden’s hometown newspaper – the Wilmington News Journal — doesn’t support this thing. And the paper’s daily phone poll shows 60% of Delawareans opposed to it.

And this is a pretty blue state.

BigD on January 30, 2009 at 9:00 AM

Details of this bill need to be circulated now, no time to waste. Discussions of the bill have been good, but it’s time to discuss specific elements contained in this pork infested package. Probably nothing currently is more important to the American people, than discussing the contents of this bill starting at page (1) and working our way through all 600+ pages. We have approximately 2-3 weeks for discovery and action. No time to waste!

Keemo on January 30, 2009 at 9:00 AM

The Republicans may be currently getting more face time because they said NO to The One. Look I have watched for forty years while the news media has four liberal commentators and a token Republican how gets thirty seconds to voice their views. So, now there is complaining about the attention Republicans are getting. I will say this, they are doing a good job of taking on the media usually two liberal reporters to one Republican.

Cindy Munford on January 30, 2009 at 9:01 AM

According to Rasmussen, a plan with only government spending gets the worst response of all. Overall, voters oppose that idea 70%-15%, and it flops in every demographic Rasmussen tracks

Gee morons , who did you think you were voting for president. LMAO

MDWNJ on January 30, 2009 at 9:01 AM

Hey hacks, why not argue that the govt should just give everyone a free house?

MarkTheGreat on January 30, 2009 at 9:01 AM

Our Rebup Senators have ZERO guts, NO spines… it’s a wonder they can even stand erect (insert penis joke here) and it’s going to take ALL OF US to give them the gonads to hold the line and vote AGAINST this bill of horrors!!!

CALL, E-MAIL… We need 100% AGAINST the Messiah…

Make the far left OWN this turd bill….

Mark Garnett on January 30, 2009 at 9:02 AM

If the “buy America” provisions aren’t removed, we are going to have to call up our grand parents and ask them how best to survive a depression.

MarkTheGreat on January 30, 2009 at 8:52 AM

I already have. They have no answer for us, saying this is unlike anything they’ve ever witnessed.

ballz2wallz on January 30, 2009 at 9:03 AM

Well, the administration’s position is that “a crisis is a terrible thing to waste.” The Dems are taking advantange of a huge crisis to advance their personal political positions, and exploiting their constituents in the process. Not so much Hope and Change as Fear and Trembling. And then there is this:

Government spending, deficits, and debt creation of this magnitude is simply unheard of. So the added TARP money will surely imperil the entire stimulus package as taxpayers around the country begin to digest the enormity of these proposed government actions. Financing of this type would not only destroy the U.S. fiscal position for years to come, it could destroy the dollar in the process. What’s more, the likelihood of massive tax increases — which at some point will become front and center in this gargantuan funding operation — would doom the economy for decades.

pomerpants on January 30, 2009 at 9:03 AM

Or it’s a really BIG purely stimulus bill, which is what the country needs. DeathToMediaHacks on January 30, 2009 at 8:43 AM

Or…it’s time for this government and each individual to STOP SPENDING WHAT YOU DON’T HAVE.

Almost every recession, (and depression), that this nation has fallen into is the result of over-spending via the extention of credit, government and private industry included. But government spending with no assets or revenues will NEVER fix this economy.

Hopefully the dems will grow balls and do the things they were elected to do.

They weren’t elected to put this nation in financial ruin moron. Our “government is broke” and so is the fiscal responsibility of our current “leadership”. (for you liberal/socialist idiots, “broke” means there is NO MONEY)

Rovin on January 30, 2009 at 9:04 AM

Buy a cheap piece of land without debt. Get a flock of chickens and goats. Send the kids out each day to find half rotted produce to feed to your stock.

That might be a start.

Mr. Joe on January 30, 2009 at 9:05 AM

The Socialist Democrats along with their leader George Soros have swung the pendulum wrecking ball to the extreme left. My advise to them is to duck when it starts moving in the other direction. Generally, a majority of the American public is clueless about what their government does to them. Seeing TRILLIONS being thrown away on social engineering pork that will kill the economy further, hey, nobody is that stupid. The dems will lose all in 2010. If the Republicans are smart, get your candidates in a row now.

adamsmith on January 30, 2009 at 9:05 AM

I guess America is not as ready for Socialism as Mr. President and Mr. Soros thought.

kingsjester on January 30, 2009 at 9:07 AM

…the electorate has gotten more skeptical about massive government spending.

The electorate should know that this is the obvious and highly predictable end to the decisions they made in November.

fiscallyconservative on January 30, 2009 at 9:07 AM

Oh and we know that the reason Republicans are getting their message out, they’ve dominated cable news appearances 2-1 compared to Democrats. http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/28/cable-news-stimulus/

DeathToMediaHacks on January 30, 2009 at 8:44 AM

Take a look at some of the videos at just how Ms.Pelosi is clearly getting her message across.Even with a compliant media this package is so blatantly porked up that the average person who is having a hard time keeping money in their wallets is giving serious thought to the billions and billions of dollars that are wastefully being tossed around in the guise of stimulus. The repubs should get the message out-the American people are being bamboozled. They need to be made aware and make their representatives who vote for this krapsandwich responsible for it. Especially and I emphasize this especially-when another plan that is quicker and may provide more jobs has been offered in this krapapalooza’s place.

canditaylor68 on January 30, 2009 at 9:08 AM

The bill has a bunch of tax cuts in it so I’m not sure why people think it’s a hard left bill. If the Dems want to get a bunch of support across the nation they need to put a tax increase on the top 10%, a tax cut/rebate for the rest of Americans, fund mortgage renegotiations, overturn that pro-credit card industry bill and provide some consumer protections. Americans will fall in line and that may actually stimulate some spending.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 30, 2009 at 9:08 AM

it’s called apartment living. I did that for 10 years and saved enough money to buy a house.
izoneguy on January 30, 2009 at 8:56 AM

Oh, I see, so now we’re all supposed to have “personal responsibility” and work hard to better ourselves?

Whatever. The Constitution clearly defines having a huge house as a right. It’s located in there somewhere, find it yourself.

Bishop on January 30, 2009 at 9:09 AM

Oh and we know that the reason Republicans are getting their message out, they’ve dominated cable news appearances 2-1 compared to Democrats. http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/28/cable-news-stimulus/

DeathToMediaHacks on January 30, 2009 at 8:44 AM

I see, the number of Democrats and other leftists appearing on MSNBC, CNBC, CNN, PBS, ABC, CBS and NBC have been unable to equal and compete with the conservative pundits appearing on FOX news network. That’s utter nonsense and so is that “Think Progress” garbage.

rplat on January 30, 2009 at 9:09 AM

DeathToMediaHacks on January 30, 2009 at 8:43 AM

He just wishes he could say his party was ethical.

Hopefully the dems will grow balls and do the things they were elected to do.

BWAHAHAHA! They were elected to give you free stuff. “95% of Americans can get out of paying taxes.” Free healthcare. No more car payments and mortgages.

Go to Politico or something, if you want to get breathless about socialism/ welfare / wealth redistribution.

In fact, TARP funds should go to banks. The second bailout has nothing to do with that. This is the Democrats saying they should get a trillion in taxpayer dollars, too, since they’re so much more worthy than a bunch of bankers. They have no concern about you, just staying in power.

chunderroad on January 30, 2009 at 9:11 AM

I guess America is not as ready for Socialism as Mr. President and Mr. Soros thought.

kingsjester on January 30, 2009 at 9:07 AM

If this thing gets too unpopular to shove down our throats, wait for another crisis to show up. MarkTheGreat nailed it. The “buy America/Chinese yuan manipulation” is the most likely.

genso on January 30, 2009 at 9:12 AM

Popularity of stimulus package dropping

Obama shows America his package, and they aren’t as stimulated as he thought they would be.

Except for Chris Matthews, of course.

Disturb the Universe on January 30, 2009 at 9:12 AM

The electorate should know that this is the obvious and highly predictable end to the decisions they made in November.

Right on!

Thank you enlightened voters . . . you really stuck it to us this time.

rplat on January 30, 2009 at 9:13 AM

The bill has a bunch of tax cuts in it so I’m not sure why people think it’s a hard left bill.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 30, 2009 at 9:08 AM

Right — $500 rebate checks and writeoffs for failing businesses. Those aren’t tax cuts in the way that reasonable people think of them.

BigD on January 30, 2009 at 9:13 AM

Democrats rattled some sabers yesterday by threatening to withdraw the tax cuts after getting no Republican votes.

Funniest, and I mean comedy gold FUNNIEST line in the thread.

The demorats are threatening to remove tax cuts from the bill if they don’t get GOP support, even though they have more than enough votes to carry it?

So that means either they don’t want tax cuts in the first place and are willing to subject the American people to that stoooopid idea, or they understand that the bill is crap and want GOP cover for when it eventually fails.

Clowns.

Bishop on January 30, 2009 at 9:13 AM

So you’re denying that Republicans have outnumbered Dems 2-1 on cable news appearances? Do you have data to back that up or are you just going to call me names?

DeathToMediaHacks on January 30, 2009 at 8:53 AM

Stop. Face it. Obama and company blew this. They could have easily steamrolled the GOP and enacted everything they wanted. But they dumped non-economic items into an important piece of economic legislation merely to satisfy some narrow constituencies who got Obama elected.

Democrats are the idiots who insist on clouding the debate. If they want to debate the economic effect of tax cuts (and what kind of tax cuts) versus economic-stimulus spending, let’s have that debate because it would be constructive. But family-planning funding and funding for ACORN? Are you kidding me? That’s outrageous. The Democrats simply aren’t as serious about getting the country back on track as they are about lining up narrow constituencies who got Obama elected and paying them off.

BuckeyeSam on January 30, 2009 at 9:14 AM

Obama shows America his package, and they aren’t as stimulated as he thought they would be.

Disturb the Universe on January 30, 2009 at 9:12 AM

Yeah, even Peggy Noonan was disappointed by Obama’s package. We haven’t from Kathleen Parker yet.

BigD on January 30, 2009 at 9:15 AM

Right — $500 rebate checks and writeoffs for failing businesses. Those aren’t tax cuts in the way that reasonable people think of them.

BigD on January 30, 2009 at 9:13 AM

And most of the tax cuts in the House bill are given a multi-year value. Hardly much of a stimulus.

genso on January 30, 2009 at 9:15 AM

DeathToMediaHacks on January 30, 2009 at 9:08 AM

335,000,000 for STDs?
How much for ACORN again?
How much for sod for the Mall of America?
How much for bee research?
Global warming?
This isn’t a stimulus bill.

Yes, keep taxing that evil, wasculy top 10 percent who pay most of the f’ing taxes in this country in the first place.

blatantblue on January 30, 2009 at 9:16 AM

Right — $500 rebate checks and writeoffs for failing businesses. Those aren’t tax cuts in the way that reasonable people think of them.
BigD on January 30, 2009 at 9:13 AM

That’s not all, rebate checks were also going to go to illegal immigrants. Thankfully that loophole was closed, but it makes you wonder what else is lurking in the disastrous bill that we won’t find out about until it’s too late.

Bishop on January 30, 2009 at 9:17 AM

OBAMA CALLS WALL STREET IRRESPONSIBLE, but look at what he’s doing:

Eight hours of debate in the HR to pass a bill spending $820 billion, or roughly $102 billion per hour of debate.

Only ten per cent of the “stimulus” to be spent on 2009.

Close to half goes to entities that sponsor or employ or both members of the Service Employees International Union, federal, state, and municipal employee unions, or other Democrat-controlled unions.

This bill is sent to Congress after Obama has been in office for seven days. It is 680 pages long. According to my calculations, not one member of Congress read the entire bill before this vote. Obviously, it would have been impossible, given his schedule, for President Obama to have read the entire bill.

For the amount spent we could have given every unemployed person in the United States roughly $75,000.

We could give every person who had lost a job and is now passing through long-term unemployment of six months or longer roughly $300,000.

There has been pork barrel politics since there has been politics. The scale of this pork is beyond what had ever been imagined before — and no one can be sure it will actually do much stimulation. (via instapundit)

We need to be discussing the details of this package rather than the package itself.

Keemo on January 30, 2009 at 9:17 AM

Keemo on January 30, 2009 at 9:00 AM

Hey Keemo,

I stole borrowed one of your comments from the other day and posted it to my site. Lost your email to ask for permission. Check “my” comments at the post when you have time.

Rovin on January 30, 2009 at 9:19 AM

Let’s use a health analogy that Screecher of the House Pelosi used to explain the STD prevention programs…..

Mr. Obama and the other Dumbocrats, the government’s arteries are clogged. The government needs to go on a pork-free diet to survive. Get the picture?

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 30, 2009 at 9:20 AM

Does anyone actually expect anything pushed by the Democrat Party to be anything but an endless litany of wasteful throwing OUR rapidly dwindling finances to special interest groups, unions, ACORN and/or ‘Friends of [insert name of Democrat politician]‘? The worthless POS ‘representing my Congressional Barony District, Ron Kind, has voted with his corrupt party 93% of the time, so I knew we were screwed from the get-go. What makes matters worse, the upcoming Census, a Democrat Administration, responsible for losing jobs and $178 million dollars in failed State IT projects, will ensure the continuation of gerrymandered Districts.

Re-location to the Republic of Texas is starting to look real promising.

SeniorD on January 30, 2009 at 9:20 AM

Right — $500 rebate checks and writeoffs for failing businesses. Those aren’t tax cuts in the way that reasonable people think of them.

BigD on January 30, 2009 at 9:13 AM

Right on. We have the highest marginal tax rate for large corporations–35%. Knock that down to 25%, and I bet announcements of large layoffs will slow immediately. And either lower the top marginal rate for S corporation shareholders and limited liability company members who are actively engaged in an on operating business. Then consider jiggering with the capital gains tax rate and taxation on dividends.

But these refundable tax credits will accomplish nothing. It’s disguised welfare. And fine, if we need that transfer payment, remove it from the tax system. It will not prime the pump.

BuckeyeSam on January 30, 2009 at 9:21 AM

DeathToMediaHacks on January 30, 2009 at 9:08 AM

Geez dude, don’t be a walking talking Liberal talking point; open up your mind and view this from a standpoint of being an American rather than a Liberal. Let’s have logical discussions about the contents of this bill, as this bill will effect our lives and the lives of our children for a few generations minimum. Talking about which party is getting the most airtime; geez that’s so irresponsible & adolescent.

Keemo on January 30, 2009 at 9:22 AM

The Dems are going to have to make a deal or face having a lame duck president for 3 years and 11 months. It’s time for the Republicans to go full court press on this, demanding a total overhaul with emphasis on income tax cuts, big capital gains exemptions, and existing infrastructure upgrades.

Dusty on January 30, 2009 at 9:22 AM

Oh and we know that the reason Republicans are getting their message out, they’ve dominated cable news appearances 2-1 compared to Democrats.

Even if true, don’t blame the messenger. What are they saying, they’re informing the public that a trillion dollar bill with only eight hours of debate on it contains so much unrelated spending that its effects will bury the U.S.

More proof that libs just want the public to sit down and shut up while their democrat overlords take care of everything.

Bishop on January 30, 2009 at 9:23 AM

Yes, keep taxing that evil, wasculy top 10 percent who pay most of the f’ing taxes in this country in the first place.

blatantblue on January 30, 2009 at 9:16 AM

You bring up a very valid argument here–Do we even have a top 10% anymore?

canditaylor68 on January 30, 2009 at 9:24 AM

Must read from the Boss.

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/01/30/stimulus-slush-fund-for-the-housing-entitlement-mob/

And you know we love her.

BuckeyeSam on January 30, 2009 at 9:24 AM

Americans will fall in line and that may actually stimulate some spending.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 30, 2009 at 9:08 AM

Sheep also fall in line when they are led to slaughter.

I’ll pass………..

Rovin on January 30, 2009 at 9:25 AM

Can we have a “David Frum is an idiot” thread, please?

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/01/29/234642.aspx

DrStock on January 30, 2009 at 9:26 AM

Democrats rattled some sabers yesterday by threatening to withdraw the tax cuts after getting no Republican votes. According to Rasmussen, a plan with only government spending gets the worst response of all.

Go ahead, make my day.

Vashta.Nerada on January 30, 2009 at 9:27 AM

This is what kills me.

A serious campaign last year about total fiscal responsibility – from the individual household, to Wall Street, to Washington, would have won in a landslide. Instead, we got McCain’s nonsense about earmarks and debates about whether Sarah Palin really killed the Bridge to Nowhere.

Ross Perot mounted a serious campaign for the Presidency in 1992 because he was willing to speak the truth about runaway federal spending and deficits.

Americans instinctively know that we cannot borrow and spend our way back to prosperity. We’ve been on a collective borrowing and spending binge for 20 years. Too many of us are financially illiterate, and it seems our government has become so as well. This new orgy of spending is not paid for, and most Americans sooner or later will realize that we are now borrowing from our grandchildren. We are headed for national bankruptcy.

rockmom on January 30, 2009 at 9:27 AM

It seems as if the bill is going to gt passed no matter what. Strip out some of the more egregious spending and substitute infrastructure spending. The ACRON money has to go but it does matter what you spend it on its still inflation.

I read an article at NRO that broke down the spending by year, and 2010 looks like the dollar killer. The biggest chunk of the spending and “tax cuts” (which are redistributive) are spent in 2010. Has anyone seen the price of gold lately?

Theworldisnotenough on January 30, 2009 at 9:28 AM

Oh and we know that the reason Republicans are getting their message out, they’ve dominated cable news appearances 2-1 compared to Democrats. http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/28/cable-news-stimulus/

DeathToMediaHacks on January 30, 2009 at 8:44 AM

You are so cute, esp. when you foam at the mouth.

dean_acheson on January 30, 2009 at 9:28 AM

Good work Rovin… Good to see you working hard over on the west side. Keep it up, we need all Americans to get educated and involved with this scam of the tax payers dollars. These are historical times, never thought I’d see such blatant acts against it’s citizens by an entire political body in my lifetime!

Keemo on January 30, 2009 at 9:31 AM

The House Republicans should hire Dave Ramsey as an advisor. He can give America some real straight talk about getting its fiscal house in order, setting priorities, and ratcheting down our collective lifestyle until we have paid off this monstrous national debt.

Right now we have a President, Vice President, and an entire economic team, none of whom have had real jobs in the private sector with profit-loss responsibility. That should scare the hell out of everyone. These people have no clue how jobs really get created or even how credit gets allocated in the free market.

rockmom on January 30, 2009 at 9:32 AM

The bill has a bunch of tax cuts in it so I’m not sure why people think it’s a hard left bill.
DeathToMediaHacks on January 30, 2009 at 9:08 AM

Sending checks to people who don’t pay taxes only qualifies as a tax cut in loony left land.

MarkTheGreat on January 30, 2009 at 9:33 AM

Support for the trillion dollar hog roast will go down with each passing day.

Reid had better rush the vote if he wants his pork.

forest on January 30, 2009 at 9:34 AM

Hopefully the dems will grow balls and do the things they were elected to do.

If Dems had balls, their women wouldn’t need to be artificialy inseminated.

MarkTheGreat on January 30, 2009 at 9:34 AM

Very interesting entry from National Review Online:

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MzQ0YTc0YmNmOGE1ZmE3NjNlZTQyY2RmZDMwZWIxZDE=

BuckeyeSam on January 30, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Doesn’t this much pork offend the muslims?

the_nile on January 30, 2009 at 9:36 AM

The bill has a bunch of tax cuts in it so I’m not sure why people think it’s a hard left bill.
DeathToMediaHacks on January 30, 2009 at 9:08 AM
Sending checks to people who don’t pay taxes AND ALSO TO ILLEGALS only qualifies as a tax cut in loony left land.

MarkTheGreat on January 30, 2009 at 9:33 AM

FIFY

Mark Garnett on January 30, 2009 at 9:36 AM

Tax Cuts, Spending Cuts, Welfare Cuts would actulay save jobs, create jobs and save homes… NOT more power to radical leftist judges to “impose” help for STUPID people that got in over thier heads because they are morons like you…

Mark Garnett on January 30, 2009 at 8:50 AM

How do you really feel?

Johan Klaus on January 30, 2009 at 9:37 AM

It’s ok…they haven’t pulled out the “It’s for the children” card yet. That’s good for 20 points in the polls…

sabbott on January 30, 2009 at 9:38 AM

The Dems are going to have to make a deal or face having a lame duck president for 3 years and 11 months. It’s time for the Republicans to go full court press on this, demanding a total overhaul with emphasis on income tax cuts, big capital gains exemptions, and existing infrastructure upgrades.

YES, YES, and YES

izoneguy on January 30, 2009 at 9:42 AM

It’s ok…they haven’t pulled out the “It’s for the children” card yet. That’s good for 20 points in the polls…

They should say “This will add to your children’s debt”. My sons are 12 & 9, I told them if they started working today that perhaps they could have this debt paid off by the time they were bth about 178 years old.

izoneguy on January 30, 2009 at 9:44 AM

The bill has a bunch of tax cuts in it so I’m not sure why people think it’s a hard left bill. If the Dems want to get a bunch of support across the nation they need to put a tax increase on the top 10%, a tax cut/rebate for the rest of Americans, fund mortgage renegotiations, overturn that pro-credit card industry bill and provide some consumer protections. Americans will fall in line and that may actually stimulate some spending.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 30, 2009 at 9:08 AM

yeah, we really need a tax increase, on the people who pay the majority of taxes, in the middle of a recession.

Johan Klaus on January 30, 2009 at 9:45 AM

I don’t often like Peggy Noonan, but I like what she said here, it’s right on

That’s what the stimulus bill was about—not knowing what time it is, not knowing the old pork-barrel, group-greasing ways are over, done, embarrassing. When you create a bill like that, it doesn’t mean you’re a pro, it doesn’t mean you’re a tough, no-nonsense pol. It means you’re a slob.

scalleywag on January 30, 2009 at 9:45 AM

There needs to be aggressive authority given to judges to renegotiate mortgages held by any bank who receives bailout money. There needs to be a massive reduction in interest rates on existing debt to allow folks to bring themselves out from underwater. Take it or leaving financial sector. Hopefully the dems will grow balls and do the things they were elected to do.

And where, oh where, do you think capital for home loans and consumer credit will come from in the future, once everyone hires a lawyer to renegotiate everything and it’s left to the whims of unelected judges to decide what is “fair” for them to repay? The Tooth Fairy?

rockmom on January 30, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Doesn’t this much pork offend the muslims?

the_nile on January 30, 2009 at 9:36 AM

Not to mention, the NationalPost.

JiangxiDad on January 30, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Oh and we know that the reason Republicans are getting their message out, they’ve dominated cable news appearances 2-1 compared to Democrats. http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/28/cable-news-stimulus/

DeathToMediaHacks on January 30, 2009 at 8:44 AM

Might that have something to do with the assault on private citizen Rush Limbaugh? I imagine these Republican “appearances” revolve around trying to make Republicans denounce Rush Limbaugh’s context-free lib-edited quotes.

BKennedy on January 30, 2009 at 9:46 AM

BuckeyeSam on January 30, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Very enthusiastic endorsement from The Heritage Foundation. I particularly enjoyed this part:

DeMint plans to offer a pro-growth alternative plan, one that generates so many new jobs it practically short-circuited Heritage’s econometric model when we analyzed it. It already boasts the support of two key Senate Republicans — Sens. Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.), the Minority Leader, and Thad Cochran (R., Miss.), the senior Republican appropriator. His plan would drop the top marginal tax rate to 25% on wage earners, mom-and-pop business owners, and other employers, maintain the top rate on investment income at 15%, keep the children’s tax credit at $1,000, and impose a modest 15% tax on estates valued over $5 million.

Once our model cooled down, we learned the DeMint plan would lead to the creation of 1.3 million new jobs in 2010, 7.5 million by 2013, and an astounding 18 million within ten years. Residential and commercial real estate activity would also soar, by almost $300 billion over 5 years.

chunderroad on January 30, 2009 at 9:52 AM

And where, oh where, do you think capital for home loans and consumer credit will come from in the future, once everyone hires a lawyer to renegotiate everything and it’s left to the whims of unelected judges to decide what is “fair” for them to repay? The Tooth Fairy?

rockmom on January 30, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Maybe the dems are depending on the “tooth fairy” to get us out of this problem.

Johan Klaus on January 30, 2009 at 9:53 AM

Whatever. The Constitution clearly defines having a huge house as a right. It’s located in there somewhere, find it yourself.

Bishop on January 30, 2009 at 9:09 AM

It’s right next to the “Right to Privacy” clause, plain as day. You just have to know where to look. It also requires some rose colored granny glasses to be worn when looking.

Oldnuke on January 30, 2009 at 9:53 AM

Tax Cuts, Spending Cuts, Welfare Cuts would actulay save jobs, create jobs and save homes… NOT more power to radical leftist judges to “impose” help for STUPID people that got in over thier heads because they are morons like you…

Mark Garnett on January 30, 2009 at 8:50 AM

No one ever mentions this but the prices for houses NEEDS to come down in places like Southern California and other states that have seen massive appreciation. Here in Dallas you can get a decent 3/2/2 for about $150-200K. Now of course we have the rich part of town, the Park Cities where houses start in the 700K zone and go well into the millions. There is no reason why a piece of crap, dinky little house in a gang infested neighborhood in LA should be a couple hundred thousand. Get real! In Dallas that house would cost $40K!

mrsmwp on January 30, 2009 at 9:56 AM

econometric model
chunderroad on January 30, 2009 at 9:52 AM

Would that be anything like the “climate models”?

Johan Klaus on January 30, 2009 at 9:57 AM

chunderroad on January 30, 2009 at 9:52 AM

This DeMint character sounds like a fraking capitalist. He ‘aint going anywhere.

JiangxiDad on January 30, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Sending checks to people who don’t pay taxes only qualifies as a tax cut in loony left land.

MarkTheGreat on January 30, 2009 at 9:33 AM

Yeah, I’ve never quite understood how taking money from people like you and me and giving to someone who isn’t contributing anything qualifies as a tax cut. That must be a concept that’s above my pay grade…or something.

Oldnuke on January 30, 2009 at 9:59 AM

I will say this, they are doing a good job of taking on the media usually two liberal reporters to one Republican.

Cindy Munford on January 30, 2009 at 9:01 AM

2 liberals to 1 conservative.
This is obvious to me.
2 liberal brains ~= to 1 conservative brain

Badger40 on January 30, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Democrats rattled some sabers yesterday by threatening to withdraw the tax cuts after getting no Republican votes.

Oh please I hope they are that stupid. It’s one of the few things that generates some support in this bill, even though a $500 individual payroll tax “cut” is going to be about as effective as sending out those stimulus checks last summer.

Dudley Smith on January 30, 2009 at 10:00 AM

Aww crap. Whenever I see “Gang of 14″ I think Republican cave-in team. They’ll all get together over coffee and talk to their favorite lobbyists, brag about how many times they’ve been on which Sunday morning shows, and then agree to whatever the Democrats want.

hawksruleva on January 30, 2009 at 10:00 AM

And in other news:

The results are in…..2.5 million in attendance for the inauguration and only 143 missed work!!!

Keemo on January 30, 2009 at 10:01 AM

Maybe we should send encouraging emails to targeted Republicans even if we aren’t from their state. It’s not easy to do what’s right when your represent a blue state and Soros is going after you.

Cindy Munford on January 30, 2009 at 10:02 AM

I have 2 Dem senators. Finegold voted against the last one. Kohl he never answers me back but he always votes the way the dems do. I will be emailing Finegold again and let him know what i think about this pile of horse crap.

The economy is getting worse and these guys aren’t doing anything constructive at all to fix it. I am paying off my debt this week and no more for me. I am going to start hoarding my money.

Brat4life on January 30, 2009 at 10:02 AM

Badger40 on January 30, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Well it also helps when the liberals get so emotional. Bibs and face guards are going to required before to long.

Cindy Munford on January 30, 2009 at 10:04 AM

Glen Beck discussed the economy and the so called stimulus package this morning on Imus in the Morning.

http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/2009/01/glen-beck-confides-to-imus-i-cant-ever.html

Dr Evil on January 30, 2009 at 10:05 AM

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