Bachmann: Partying like it’s 1929
posted at 11:37 am on January 30, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Rep. Michele Bachmann explains to her Minnesota constituents about the historical failures of massive government spending, asking why the Obama administration wants to party like it’s 1929. She points out that both Herbert Hoover and FDR tried the same kind of so-called “stimulus” spending and it led to unprecedented debt and government bureaucracy. Even FDR’s Treasury Secretary admitted it was a failure:
The stock market collapse of 1929 brought a crashing halt to the Roaring Twenties. But President Herbert Hoover’s response to the economic crisis ensured that it became a genuine catastrophe. Contrary to popular perception, Hoover did not respond to the downturn with inaction or indifference — rather, he pursued a series of misguided big-government adventures that lengthened and deepened our economic woes.
Hoover not only dramatically hiked income and import taxes, but he instituted big-government spending programs all but identical to those being debated today. Hoover’s Reconstruction Finance Corporation tried to ease economic pain by funneling tax money to state governments, local governments, banks and a variety of businesses. His Federal Home Loan Bank Act extended loans in an effort to increase low-income housing — beginning the ill-fated history of federal intervention in the housing market.
These measures proved a dismal failure, and things got only worse. In the 1932 campaign, Franklin Roosevelt actually attacked Hoover for his big-government policies, decrying Hoover’s presidency as “the greatest spending administration in peacetime in all of history.”
Yet, once elected, Roosevelt not only maintained Hoover’s programs, he used them as a foundation for his titanic New Deal expenditures. He even expanded Hoover’s failed housing program and launched the now-infamous mortgage giant Fannie Mae. And even in the face of a staggering 25 percent unemployment, FDR held fast to the big-government philosophy — jobs programs, handouts, tax hikes — and, as a result, presided over a decade of economic misery.
FDR’s own treasury secretary, Henry Morgenthau, had to admit as much in 1939: “We are spending more than we have ever spent before, and it does not work. … We have never made good on our promises. I say after eight years of this administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. And an enormous debt to boot!”
Bachmann wrote an excellent column, but the comments are even more entertaining. Instead of attacking Bachmann’s arguments, the Strib commenters instead attack Michele. One commenter finally noted that
As usual when reading reader comments I’m not sure whether to be entertained or saddened. Liberal retorts to conservative views are so predictable. They most often: – Present ad hominem attacks on the author, not the ideas – Mention some vague notion of Bush’s failed policies – Are emotional rather than logical – Fail to present any evidence to the contrary – Inject homosexuality into the argument – Inject racism into the argument – Blah blah blah. This stuff is better than the Enquirer.
No one really wants to address Bachmann’s points, mostly because they’re unassailable. Despite all of the capital confiscation and massive government spending on public works and entitlements, unemployment hardly budged during the entire decade. It remained above 20%, and just when it started to drop, FDR rolled out the second phase of the New Deal and unemployment shot back up. It only dropped when America went to war and a big percentage of its work force got mobilized into the military.
Instead of learning from history, Bachmann aptly notes, the Obama administration wants to party like it’s 1929, with protectionism, expanded government bureaucracies, and capital confiscation at a time when we need it in the private market to create jobs. Happy Days Are Here Again. Get ready for the bread (lines) and circuses, because eventually the Obama administration will have to avoid the pitchforks and torches.
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Wow. The echo in this room is getting really bad. What year is this again?
nukemhill on January 30, 2009 at 11:41 AM
…and people keep saying we’re stuck for four years or eight years. It very well may not take one year.
Vashta.Nerada on January 30, 2009 at 11:43 AM
But…. this time it will work… Because its BIGGER!
/sarc… had to put the tag for those who don’t know me…
Romeo13 on January 30, 2009 at 11:44 AM
Ahh. I knew all those history professors would come in handy one day.
WHY don’t they learn from failed history?
Seriously, we have got get history back into perspective in education. And I don’t mean history multicultural days.
Badger40 on January 30, 2009 at 11:44 AM
Actually, Ed, it is now fairly well accepted that the cause of the Great Depression was a failure of monetary policy.
Read Milton Friedman’s book, A Monetary History of the United States, 1867–1960. He concluded that the Great Depression was not the necessary and direct result of the stock-market crash of October 1929 but rather the Fed’s failure to act as lender of last resort to provide liquidity to the banking system and to prevent the failure of many banks (and the contraction of credit and the money supply). All the TARPs and the other government activity is correcting this failure this time around.
See http://www.thefreemanonline.org/featured/the-great-depression-according-to-milton-friedman.
jim m on January 30, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Easy. Require all non-convicted felons to get a permit before purchasing such equipment. Or better yet, outlaw ALL pointy objects!
Badger40 on January 30, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Historically, people point to WWII as the end of the depression, but in reality, the war years were very bad in terms of consumption – the military was the customer for the majority of goods produced during that time. Our real prosperity domestically ocurred after the war, when, with industry destroyed in Europe, we were the main producer in the world.
Vashta.Nerada on January 30, 2009 at 11:47 AM
‘Cause today we’re gonna party like it’s 1929.
The next Paul Shanklin tune.
Now watch our Trolls try to assail this.
kingsjester on January 30, 2009 at 11:47 AM
A great theme. I wonder if the American public is too poorly educated in history to understand the significance. I know it’s wrong to be so pessimistic, but I come by it honestly (see: Election 2008).
SKYFOX on January 30, 2009 at 11:47 AM
The emperor got a nude deal..
the_nile on January 30, 2009 at 11:48 AM
And here comes the debasement of our monetary unit to “pay” for the Stimulus plan(s)… It’s like a bad Groundhog’s Day all over again. The only thing missing is this. It’s not quite April yet though.
SkinnerVic on January 30, 2009 at 11:48 AM
The office of the Chief Deputy Republican Whip (Eric Cantor) just released an email explaining why he voted against the so-called stimulus package. One bullet addressing nationalized health care said: It spends $600 million to “prepare our country for universal healthcare”. Those inept, pandering Republicans in the senate need to take their collective heads out of their backsides and tell their constituents what is being shoved down their throats.
rplat on January 30, 2009 at 11:50 AM
Indeed.
Weight of Glory on January 30, 2009 at 11:50 AM
“Get ready for the bread (lines) and circuses, because eventually the Obama administration will have to avoid the pitchforks and torches.”
That’s the American spirit Ed.
Following your leader rush?
getalife on January 30, 2009 at 11:50 AM
We all know why it is Obama is pursuing this strategy with such ease…President Bush leveraged the credibility of conservative economic policies to the point of ruin during his administration. Simply put, one can point to 70 year old history, but it is much easier to simply say, “well, look where 8 solid years of rubber stamped republican policies took us…” Now surely blame falls all over, but republicans cannot escape responsibility entirely. Because of this fact, repubs should own up to and specifically point out failed policies. Sure the conservative principle of less regulation is sound in a general sense, it failed miserably when assuming the financial sector would regulate itself out of pure self interest. Own up to that, admit it, and produce a reasoned, pragmatic response that offers real financial regulation while offering clear instances where more regulation will not work.
But simply banging people over the head with the whole “only true blue conservatism as defined by me work” thing isnt going to get your point across.
ernesto on January 30, 2009 at 11:52 AM
They may be trying to avoid the pitchforks and torches already or at least are attempting to hide/rewrite history…
Prob OT here but- the Feds just busted someone trying to destroy Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac records-so much for transparency.
canditaylor68 on January 30, 2009 at 11:52 AM
No, simply following facts and articulating truths.
rplat on January 30, 2009 at 11:53 AM
Again, go to the Mackinac Institute and read “Great Myths of the Great Depression“.
Santayana was right: no lessons from history, doomed to repeat it.
Or as Mark Twain said-”History doesn’t repeat itself. But is sure does rhyme.”
Amendment X on January 30, 2009 at 11:54 AM
But FDR and Hoover weren’t Obama. The Messiah can turn debt into wine. Or something.
Sir Corky on January 30, 2009 at 11:54 AM
“Get ready for the bread (lines) and circuses, because eventually the Obama administration will have to avoid the pitchforks and torches.”
Uh, oh.
Ed, you just earned yourself a very unique “eyeroll” from Buckaroo.
He might even call you an alarmist!
LOL
artist on January 30, 2009 at 11:56 AM
Can we install Bachmann as Queen of the Americas?
savvydude on January 30, 2009 at 11:57 AM
OK. But now having read that, it is only one conclusion from many that could be reached.
Scientists are wrong-economists are wrong.
And the way banks operate in principle is in my opinion a problem. Not that people SHOULD stuff their $$ under their mattresses, but perhaps instead of giving it to a bank, they should invest it in something more concrete.
Banks using money that theoretically is there, but in reality is not, is scary. That kind of finance has a lot of risk & I’m not sure that kind of business is really ever a good idea.
People gamble when they put their $$ in banks.
Sometimes gambling pays off, many times it doesn’t.
And so we have depressions & recessions bcs of the nature of the game & the nature of human error.
It still doesn’t convince me we need to have to govt do something.
Why don’t we do something better in the first place?
Badger40 on January 30, 2009 at 11:58 AM
Reading all this stuff all week about the stimulus (or the lack thereof) on top of seeing that arrogant speaker of the house smirk at us while she has holds the purse strings to almost a trillion of OUR dollars is a little too much to bear. It’s like a Twilight Zone episode! How can this be happening?
scalleywag on January 30, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Just because Ed and Rush agree in policy direction doesn’t mean one is following the other. The concepts both Rush and Ed push do not find their origination in either man. So it’s silly for you to say that one man is following the other, regardless of the order.
Weight of Glory on January 30, 2009 at 11:59 AM
What people forget is that this “war” does not harm the economy as much as they think…I am not saying it is good, just that the billions spent, have been basically spent in the U.S.
Planes, ships, maint. supplies, payroll…all comes back to the U.S.
Notice they say we came out of the depression because of military spending…historically military spending in spent in the U.S.
right2bright on January 30, 2009 at 12:00 PM
Go Michelle Bachmann! This is the best of Minnesota.
“History repeats itself because no one was listening the first time.”
Aronne on January 30, 2009 at 12:01 PM
Well that explains it. I just knew they couldn’t have grown a pair overnight.
Badger40 on January 30, 2009 at 12:01 PM
Objectively, Bush–his reticence to explain himself to the media and to the American public, his expansionist policies, his pro-Amnesty stand and his reluctance to not oppose the Democrats in Congress have done as much to destroy the Republican party and America as much as Obama has.
To show you that I am not a clone of Rush (who I agree with 98% of the time) I do not agree with Rush’s support of the ex-President. History may be kind to Bush in the realm of foreign affairs but may write later than his administration led to the complete transformation of America into a socialist state. For that Mr. Bush you deserve my contempt.
technopeasant on January 30, 2009 at 12:03 PM
So FDR also started the Democratic tradition of lying to get into office?
MarkTheGreat on January 30, 2009 at 12:05 PM
Thank you Michele! You are the one politician outside my state whom I supported financially that actually WON! We appreciate you standing for conservative values. And with good logic and facts. Keep it up! The libs can’t stand to deal with facts so they will try to demonize you, but keep standing!
Christian Conservative on January 30, 2009 at 12:08 PM
“MarkTheGreat on January 30, 2009 at 12:05 PM”
HEH
Buckaroo on January 30, 2009 at 12:09 PM
One thing that hasn’t been mentioned much has been what tax increases will follow all of this spending. If Larry Kudlow is right and O plans to follow the stim bill with and additional $2 trillion in TARP funds ($4 trillion in new spending), tax rates will have to go through the roof to pay for all of this stuff. The problem is when rates go up, economic activity will go down or at least be stunted. That will destroy this country, politically and economically, make no mistake.
volnation on January 30, 2009 at 12:10 PM
…and Frum is crying about how Rush is leading the charge against this disassterous ‘bill’ while the GOP is dying.
Hello! The GOP must first die a firey death before it can be remade anew from the ashes of ‘Repub’ liberalism. Perhaps the transformation is happening now, (not in the Senate tho), but methinks that real conservative leaders must be found, and pronto.
I’ll check those comments after I call Lady Di and Barbie Boxer to see if their voice mail is still down…we have unlimited long distance, for free.
Christine on January 30, 2009 at 12:14 PM
“Reagan’s economic policy, which included massive tax cuts, reversed a worsening situation, and the economy surged on every level — 17 million jobs were created, employee compensation increased, inflation was conquered and the longest peacetime boom in our history was born.”
the_nile on January 30, 2009 at 12:14 PM
When pointy objects are outlawed, only outlaws will have pointy objects.
Or to quote Fred Thompson, “This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we’ll be lucky to live through it.”
NeighborhoodCatLady on January 30, 2009 at 12:15 PM
Ed, I can see why you would post MN given the beating your beloved ex-senator is taking. The absence of Norm stories here is strange. There is also a vote going in for RNC chairman (which failed on first ballot), not a word here, not a word when Saltzman pulled out yesterday.
The first ballot results:
Mike Duncan – 52
Michael Steele – 46
Katon Dawson – 28
Saul Anuzis – 22
Ken Blackwell – 20
okonkolo on January 30, 2009 at 12:16 PM
“okonkolo on January 30, 2009 at 12:16 PM”
stuart is not seated yet, pal — i wouldn’t start gloating …
Buckaroo on January 30, 2009 at 12:23 PM
The only rush to leaders is the one that has the weeping sycophants of “The Obama” gliding on a trail of drool to the hem of his garments.
Quite sad really.
Itchee Dryback on January 30, 2009 at 12:24 PM
History doesn’t repeat its self, idiots repeat bad history.
MDWNJ on January 30, 2009 at 12:26 PM
I now live in LA, but proud to say that I voted for Michele when I lived in Woodbury, MN. Won’t forget meeting her at the July 4th parade in Afton, MN.
BO’s popularity is waining…
jbh45 on January 30, 2009 at 12:29 PM
Michele Bachmann is Minnesota’s only political redeeming quality. That woman is cool.
ashleymatt on January 30, 2009 at 12:30 PM
No gloating, it’s just the silence is deafening. As with yesterday’s Ledbetter legislation, yesterday’s drop-put of a high-profile candidate for RNC chair, and most surprising, today’s RNC votes.
okonkolo on January 30, 2009 at 12:30 PM
“okonkolo on January 30, 2009 at 12:30 PM”
“high-profile” — oh yeah, it was all chip’s until those other … five candidates showed up
/eyeroll
jmo, but you should prolly start your own aggregating site
OR
you could simply stfu …
Buckaroo on January 30, 2009 at 12:34 PM
Are you kidding? You’re asking ‘Why would Obama want to take advantage of George Bush’s Hoover move, and turn himself into FDR?’
Um, I don’t know. Maybe because liberals consider FDR a God who ran capitalism into the mud and built a liberal dynasty on top of it?
‘Course I’m just spitballing here. Maybe it’s just the fact that they both have big ears or something.
logis on January 30, 2009 at 12:34 PM
Government guarantees were a huge contributor to this lack of self regulation. I hope you understand this. In a truly free economy where they are responsible for their money without a guarantee, they would never have been foolish enough to lend to anybody. These mortgage brokerages and banks were selling these loans to the government and to hedge funds as fast as they could.
True_King on January 30, 2009 at 12:37 PM
Buying. A. Gun. ASAP.
fiscallyconservative on January 30, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Buying. Yet. More. Guns. Tomorrow.
LimeyGeek on January 30, 2009 at 12:42 PM
Iceland anyone? I have a bad feeling that its coming.
cjs1943 on January 30, 2009 at 12:42 PM
Ernesto, it is beyond ludicrous to suggest that a lack of regulation caused this mess. We are festooned with regulations. It just so happens that so many of these regulations were concocted by drunken monkeys on acid.
LimeyGeek on January 30, 2009 at 12:44 PM
They know how to party up there
LimeyGeek on January 30, 2009 at 12:44 PM
“Two UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression dragged on for almost 15 years, and they blame a suspect previously thought to be beyond reproach: President Franklin D. Roosevelt.
After scrutinizing Roosevelt’s record for four years, Harold L. Cole and Lee E. Ohanian conclude in a new study that New Deal policies signed into law 71 years ago thwarted economic recovery for seven long years”.
Johan Klaus on January 30, 2009 at 12:47 PM
They know how to party up there
LimeyGeek on January 30, 2009 at 12:44 PM
Yep. Plenty of ice for the adult beverages. And lots of pitchforks and torches.
kingsjester on January 30, 2009 at 12:48 PM
I’m not into the freaky death/black metal scene
LimeyGeek on January 30, 2009 at 12:50 PM
I’m not waiting until tomorrow. You should see the new gun registration that the dems are trying to foist on us.
Johan Klaus on January 30, 2009 at 12:51 PM
If they can enact it before 11:00 tomorrow I’ll be impressed ;)
I’ve had a lifetime of statist fascism, and there’s no way I’m suffering it ever again. Nobody is registering my guns. Nobody is taking my guns. Ever.
LimeyGeek on January 30, 2009 at 12:57 PM
I love St. Michele. She is my favorite person in politics.
Captain America on January 30, 2009 at 1:01 PM
thevastlane on January 30, 2009 at 1:01 PM
If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different outcome, what does that say about our leaders and their penchant for mulligans from the beginning of the Great Depression?
djtnt on January 30, 2009 at 1:02 PM
this is what americans are absolutly SCREAMING about..
You morons
While every american is scrambling to
try and pay off bills
congress like a bunch of crack addicted whores
or hollywood celebrities
is planning a spending spree that would make
immelda marcos have multiple screaming orgasims..
jcila on January 30, 2009 at 1:07 PM
If Karl Denninger is right, and I fear he may be, Iceland is a possibility. Remember, Iceland is dealing with both an economic and government failure. Karl has been screaming for more than a year about what we are now seeing. I trust his analysis more than I trust Kudlow/Kempian supply-siders I usually agree with.
Mish Shedlock should be read as well.
flyfisher on January 30, 2009 at 1:08 PM
You shouldn’t be too rough on getalife. He’s probably assuming that conservatives are like liberals. Unable to think for themselves, and unable to get anything done without a leader.
MarkTheGreat on January 30, 2009 at 1:09 PM
The financial industry is about 90% federal regulations and about 10% capitalism. Yet everytime there is a hiccup in that industry, liberals start screaming that capitalism doesn’t work.
MarkTheGreat on January 30, 2009 at 1:12 PM
You repeat yourself.
MarkTheGreat on January 30, 2009 at 1:14 PM
It’s like clamping a plastic bag over someones head and screeching about how ‘respiration’ isn’t the answer.
LimeyGeek on January 30, 2009 at 1:17 PM
I think what got us here is deregulation and regulation taken to the extreme.
Deregulation as to banks and mortgage companies forced to make loans to people who couldn’t pay for them.
Regulation as to that these banks and mortgage companies had to make these bad business decisions and give these loans out.
cjs1943 on January 30, 2009 at 1:21 PM
Are we in Ireland?
C’mon. Tell me you feel a little silly.
LimeyGeek on January 30, 2009 at 1:24 PM
I love this woman.
Valiant on January 30, 2009 at 1:25 PM
That was a bit disconcerting, wasn’t it?
Vashta.Nerada on January 30, 2009 at 1:38 PM
Bachmann/Palin 2012!
benny shakar on January 30, 2009 at 1:44 PM
Palin/.45 2012
LimeyGeek on January 30, 2009 at 1:47 PM
Hey, be fair to drunken monkeys on acid. They at least don’t want to destroy this country in order to turn it into their own socialist nightmare.
rbj on January 30, 2009 at 1:55 PM
Bachmann is a prize and the first Minnesota politician I have some knowledge about and who I respect.
Just before reading this thread I made a comment on an earlier thread, The stealth health-care nationalization in the “stimulus”.
burt on January 30, 2009 at 1:56 PM
They want to force-feed us their poo…..sound familiar?
LimeyGeek on January 30, 2009 at 1:57 PM
jerrytbg on January 30, 2009 at 2:17 PM
Beat me to it.
pappy on January 30, 2009 at 2:18 PM
Ahh yesssss. Just like the tightrope walker who is infinitely more careful without a net.
Badger40 on January 30, 2009 at 2:30 PM
When the banks get back to the policy of requiring 20% down to buy a house and get a mortgage is when you’ll see real change…Hell, I had to many moons ago…Why not everybody else?
jerrytbg on January 30, 2009 at 2:39 PM
You’re right. Storming the Capitol with Frisbees just won’t get their attention.
Red State State of Mind on January 30, 2009 at 2:53 PM
“Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it”.
And here we have been told by the media that the Democrats are supposed the smart ones, yet they seem to have this morbid fascination with trying to revive some of the dumbest ideas and philosophies of the past that didn’t work then and sure as hell wont work now.
Dreadnought223 on January 30, 2009 at 3:56 PM
Let us also remember that FDR was a socialist and friends with the powers that be in USSR. He was, like the stimulus of today, trying to back door communism.
- The Cat
MirCat on January 30, 2009 at 4:17 PM
It is crystal clear that tax cuts are the right tool for the job. Obama just wants to spread around a bunch of our money to the trough sloppers that elected him. What is sad is that he has them convinced they diserve it.
Reality is you diserve what you earn, but Obama wants to change all that. I can’t wait until reparations come up again. Obama is looking like he will awaken a sleeping giant in the form of American economic producers. The takers better watch out.
saiga on January 30, 2009 at 4:45 PM
Hey Republican Party…nice friggen job!
sabbott on January 30, 2009 at 5:23 PM
Suprise suprise suprise. How amny times was FDR reelected? If you really a scholar of history, then you would know that no matter how disasterous FDR was, he was elected to three terms as President.
Saying that BHO is disasterous, while accurate, is moot. Unless conservatives actually get enough courage and stop this disaster, you are looking at FDR part two.
Rode Werk on January 30, 2009 at 6:22 PM
Unfortunately he was elected 4 times, fortunately he died shortly after the fourth term started. Elected: 1932, 1936, 1940, 1944. Died in April 1945. Thinking mainly he was elected in 1940 & 1944 because of the war and or threat of war.
Dasher on January 30, 2009 at 7:35 PM
Hey, let’s build The Obama Dam.
SouthernGent on January 30, 2009 at 8:01 PM
Dasher,
He was re-elected 3 times. You are correct though, he was elected 4 times.
I will say that FDR actually recognized an enemy, which Obama does not appear able to.
Forgive my just got home from work typos.
Rode Werk on January 30, 2009 at 8:24 PM
Yes, & lets do other leftist ideas like racial quotas & welfare BIGGER!
jgapinoy on January 30, 2009 at 9:22 PM
History has a way of repeating itself, and this article shows that we are about to repeat 1929. However, due to inflation, the impact will be proportionally larger and more painful for the public.
Unfortunately, the health care system will have a hard time being able to handle the influx of illnesses/ailments that the public will begin exhibiting. But, socializing it will not help either.
We need to look out for ourselves, family and neighbors and provide assistance to the best of our capabilities.
MSGTAS on January 31, 2009 at 10:00 AM
That´s why the Dems spent millions to try to unseat her. That´s why I gave a hundred bucks to Bachmann´s reelection campaign, even though I don´t live in Minnesota. I´ll do it again and so should you.
el gordo on January 31, 2009 at 2:44 PM
Fixed it for you.
ss396 on January 31, 2009 at 3:16 PM
But San Fran Nan is trying to protect us! That why she wants all that money spent on condoms.
oldleprechaun on January 31, 2009 at 5:43 PM
Michele Bachmann’s an idiot:
Historian Michele Bachmann Blames FDR’s “Hoot-Smalley” Tariffs For Great Depression
starfleet_dude on April 29, 2009 at 4:03 PM
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