Minnesota to expand nanny state to smoking drivers
posted at 12:48 pm on January 29, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Minnesota’s DFL legislators will introduce a bill banning smoking in private cars while children ride as passengers. The bill’s advocates point to the risk from second-hand smoke and increased health costs for support, and claim a precedent with prior seat-belt and child-restraint regulations. However, that mixes apples and oranges in an attempt to obscure the impulse to penalize adults for politically incorrect choices:
Minnesota has banned smoking in workplaces, bars and restaurants. Some suburban communities have banned smoking in parks, and university campuses are taking up the fight, too.
Now, under a bill expected to be introduced today at the state Capitol, lawmakers will consider extending that prohibition to your ride.
Backed by the same groups that helped enact the statewide ban on smoking in bars and restaurants, the new bill would prohibit smoking in cars when children are present.
The analogies to seat belts and child retraints are irrelevant. Since the state “owns” the roads and highways, it has the right to set safety standards that relate directly to driving safety, not general health concerns. Seat belts and child restraints prevent injuries in accidents, not arguable risks of cancer decades down the road, so to speak. Restrictions on cell-phone usage also fall under the same immediate safety issue; states didn’t start banning the use of cell phones while driving because of rumors about brain cancer.
Nor do they pretend any different:
“I’m a mom. I’m a grandma. There’s no safe level of secondhand smoke for kids, especially in the closed environment of a car,” Pappas said.
Studies have shown that even with a window rolled down, it takes mere seconds of a lit cigarette for the air quality inside a vehicle to vastly exceed the levels deemed too hazardous to breathe by the Environmental Protection Agency.
Pappas may be a mom and a grandma, but she’s not my mom, and neither is the state of Minnesota. I don’t smoke, and even when I did I rarely smoked in my car because I didn’t like the smell buildup cars get from smoking. Even so, I grew up with plenty of second-hand smoke from family members — and so did generations of Americans. Child mortality rates remained very low, and longevity increased significantly during this period. Before the state imposes its choices over those of free citizens, it had better show a substantial state interest other than an overgrown nosebone.
Oh, wait … Pappas and her allies already have one:
The U.S. Surgeon General has determined there is no safe level of exposure to secondhand smoke. In children, it has been linked to everything from ear infections to sudden infant death syndrome. …
“Ear infections and asthma — we see far too many cases of those,” Sloan said.
It’s the health-cost rationale. Since the state pays medical bills, it has the right to dictate your choices, which is the danger than universal health care systems present to individual liberty. And Pappas and the legislature won’t stop at the cars, either. They’re also drafting legislation to bar foster parents from smoking around their wards regardless of where it occurs. That would effectively bounce all of the smokers out of the program, even though Minnesota doesn’t have enough qualified foster homes for the demand we already have. Now the legislature wants to create an artificial shortage on top of that, all because they don’t like smoking.
I don’t like smoking, either. I think it’s a stupid habit, and I thought it was stupid enough to finally quit when I got married. If no one can prove that second-hand smoke stunted the longevity of American life over the last several decades — and they can’t — I’m not about to argue that it’s good for anyone, children included. But government doesn’t exist to determine our personal choices or protect us from our own stupidity, especially by making those choices criminal.
Update: I completely forgot to link back to my radio partner Mitch Berg on this post; be sure to read his take. As for the hysteric in the comments who called smoking around children “child abuse”, a hell of a lot of us must be past victims of abuse, then. What else is abuse? Forcing children to grow up in Los Angeles? R-rated movies? Time outs? Puh-leeeze.










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If they enforce it as well as they do the safety seat law I doubt it will be a problem.
Cindy Munford on January 29, 2009 at 12:49 PM
Yet they cant stop the smoking in prisons.
EnochCain on January 29, 2009 at 12:53 PM
Yes, embrace the right to be stupid.
It exists to help home owners renegotiate their mortgages, though, right Ed?
TARP. The gift that keeps on giving.
And yes, I love reminding people what they supported during the election. :P
lorien1973 on January 29, 2009 at 12:53 PM
If I were in your state, Ed, and I was a smoker, I’d pay for a cab to transport my child occasionally, and write it off on my taxes as the cost of compliance with state law….just to be a pain.
Patrick S on January 29, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Sounds like they should just ban smoking altogether… oh, wait, they can’t do that… the state makes way too much money off of them.
Good thing for our legislature to worry about though. Not like we have a huge budget crisis on our hands or anything.
strictnein on January 29, 2009 at 12:54 PM
The good thing is that banning smoking when you are driving will help free-up an extra hand for talking on cell phones and texting!
“The sturgeon general has determined that there is NO SAFE AMOUNT OF STUPIDITY present with loose nuts behind the wheel.”
singlemalt_18 on January 29, 2009 at 12:54 PM
I am a smoker and its odd..when someone mentions banning smoking it makes me want to smoke more.
EnochCain on January 29, 2009 at 12:55 PM
Here it comes. What’s the difference between a privately owned vehicle and a private residence?
Roc on January 29, 2009 at 12:55 PM
Can we give Minnesota to Canada? A late Christmas gift, if you will. Maybe we can move all our Gitmo friends there before the gift exchange.
Damiano on January 29, 2009 at 12:55 PM
So Barack will not be visitin MN with the kids.
WashJeff on January 29, 2009 at 12:55 PM
More stupidity from the pro-
choiceabortion crowd. Choice is only applicable when it comes to giving birth to the children. After that, they belong to the state.Sue on January 29, 2009 at 12:56 PM
Global warming, second-hand smoke, fast food, soft drinks, wrong names for your children, “unsafe” cars, all the same…if it is so bad, let’s see the legs. ban all cigarette products from sell.
An MIT prof. once did a study, he found out that 3 times more people die in America then actually die.
If you are in a car accident and you are smoking…that is counted as a car accident, and death by smoking, and the passengers just died of second-hand smoking…if you are 93 years old, and smoked, and you had heart failure, you are listed as dying of smoking…
right2bright on January 29, 2009 at 12:56 PM
I can’t get past that photo of the Amy Winehouse Wanna Be. Especially with the caption of Nanny State. That is a horror moving in the making. Someone please send her the new government-issued nicotine patches.
sherry on January 29, 2009 at 12:57 PM
Sounds almost like that whole children for the Reich thing.
EnochCain on January 29, 2009 at 12:57 PM
The smoke coming off of your cancer stick and floating around your car has NOT been sucked through the filter and is more dangerous than the smoke in your lungs. But does that mean the govt should get involved?
Tony737 on January 29, 2009 at 12:57 PM
Bloomington,In already has it,..no smoking near stores, in jail, in cars while riding with children.
christene on January 29, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Smoking in a closed area with a child is wrong. This is not a road safety issue. This is a child abuse issue that occurs on the road. The state is not saying you can’t smoke in your car. The state doesn’t care if you live or die from smoking. But they have a duty to protect those who, as the abortion crowd likes to say, “can’t speak for themselves”. Funny, as soon as the kid is born, you are no longer interested in speaking for the kid. lol.
keep the change on January 29, 2009 at 12:59 PM
From Demolition Man: “It has been determined to be unhealthy, therefore it is banned.” Trans- fat, cigarettes, fast food, tag, dodge-ball, et al infinitum…
genso on January 29, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Don’t cigarette taxes fund that health care?
Buy Danish on January 29, 2009 at 1:01 PM
Maine has already passed this law. Enforcement is an issue.
Slublog on January 29, 2009 at 1:01 PM
I hate smoking, and smokers annoy me.
However, fascists in training that love to exert power to change behavior of citizens in their habits infuriate me.
Why is it that the same people who demand women have the choice to have an abortion(something I’m on the fence about) refuse to allow people to smoke, drink, eat fast food, use plastic bags, drive older cars that don’t meet emission standards, listen to the music they want, watch what they want, etc?
This just shows the ultimate lie that is the label “pro-choice”. Nope. You’re either for or against abortion availability. Being pro-choice would mean you want choices for everything, be it owning a gun, smoking a joint, buying porn, or any of the other controversial decisions that America was built to allow.
MadisonConservative on January 29, 2009 at 1:02 PM
So true. My mother is 87 and smokes 3 pks/day. Astounding, I know. She spends over $600/month on cigarettes.
The real kicker? Her sister died at 43 from lung cancer and never smoked a day in her life.
IrishEi on January 29, 2009 at 1:02 PM
The “health care costs” argument has always amused/frightened me… on the one hand, if we can get people to smoke a lot more, revenues from cigarette taxes would increase and people dropping dead at 65 instead of at 85 would save 25 years of costs (SS, Medicare, etc.). Aren’t some trying to increase the retirement age because too many people are living longer? LET ‘EM SMOKE!
A few years of cancer treatments versus saving 20 years of SS payments, medical and prescription drug costs? I say, smoking is a winner! (Ignore that I live in NC.)
On the frightening side, if the state takes over all medical care, we all become “burdens” to the state and it will be in their interest to relieve “society” of such “burdens.”
mankai on January 29, 2009 at 1:02 PM
Hitler hated tobacco and tried to regulate it’s use. Nazi’s were also obsessed with “organic” foods, health, the environment and animal abuse. Take that as you will.
darwin on January 29, 2009 at 1:02 PM
I say it again: smokers are the canaries in the cage. They’re the first to lose their rights in this Brave New World. They’re an easy, easy target. An easy, smelly target, for the fascist thought police.
They’re the practice. You’re the real goal. Whatever it is you do, or read, or think, or shoot, or drive, or write, or speak, or listen to.
Ignore the poor smokers if you must. But if you think you won’t be next, you’re fooling yourself.
Professor Blather on January 29, 2009 at 1:02 PM
D’oh! 85-65=20!
mankai on January 29, 2009 at 1:03 PM
Go**am it, just as Minnesota starts to fade from the comic section, we get sucked right back in.
Even though Pawlenty would probably veto this stupidity, I’m not defending my state any longer, this is nanny state crap at its gold encrusted finest.
Bishop on January 29, 2009 at 1:04 PM
Professor Blather on January 29, 2009 at 1:02 PM
Exactly, +100
dmann on January 29, 2009 at 1:06 PM
Yah, let’s focus on the really important stuff. When does Detroit get the orders from Herr Hussein to put smoke detectors in cars that work in tandem with seat weight pressure so that On-Star can alert the Gestapo?
Hening on January 29, 2009 at 1:07 PM
Yeah, Ed. Where did you get that mess? Is it really a girl?
Jaibones on January 29, 2009 at 1:07 PM
And, behind this curtain, the elimination of the right to possess a firearm in one’s own home – if one has children.
After all, it’s for the children.
OhEssYouCowboys on January 29, 2009 at 1:08 PM
Beside that, if people have their own health insurance how does the state claim it cost them anything? It seems any excuse will serve these tyrants to implement their collectivist schemes.
Maxx on January 29, 2009 at 1:09 PM
Ed, did you get that photo from hollywood?
Johan Klaus on January 29, 2009 at 1:09 PM
My dad smoked 3 packs a day, and when he drove me and my brother around as kids, he wouldn’t even open the window, the windows had a perpetual yellow haze, and we looked like a family of stoners when we exited the car, because of the mushroom cloud that followed us out. I have had bronchitis once in my life, and played sports since i was able to walk.
These studies are complete bullshit.
MDWNJ on January 29, 2009 at 1:09 PM
Second-hand smoke is the reason you can’t smoke in a restaurant or (in many cases) a bar.
It’s entirely consistent and makes sense to outlaw smoking in a car when there are children present.
One can be opposed to this and mandatory seatbelt laws, but it’s inconsistent to be opposed to one and not the other. They’re both safety issues.
YYZ on January 29, 2009 at 1:10 PM
Funny, as soon as the kid is born, you are no longer interested in speaking for the kid. lol.
keep the change on January 29, 2009 at 12:59 PM
LOL, that is funny! LOL LOL LOL! LOL again.
What about smoking in our houses, which as a measure of time, will occur far more often for parents who are willing to smoke with their kids in the car?
We will all be lolling our asses off when the state decides to monitor what we feed our kids, since as we are incessantly told, there is an obesity problem in America.
Think of all the heart disease our kids won’t have to worry about if we simply allow to government to “protect” the children from their parents.
Bishop on January 29, 2009 at 1:11 PM
They were just obsessed with human abuse. Sort of like…..
Johan Klaus on January 29, 2009 at 1:11 PM
Time to file a patent for a child seat that mounts on a roof rack…
SPCOlympics on January 29, 2009 at 1:12 PM
Can you imagine the child abuse that will result when Mommy can’t have a smoke in the car to calm her nerves from screaming kids?
MargaretMN on January 29, 2009 at 1:14 PM
I believe that woman in the picture IS Amy Winehouse.
Torch on January 29, 2009 at 1:14 PM
I totally agree.
All smokers need to be registered with their city or state. As soon as they procreate; they need daily (or twice daily!) checks in the house to make sure no smoking is going on in that enclosed space.
If you don’t agree, you support child abuse.
lorien1973 on January 29, 2009 at 1:14 PM
I’ll buy one and I don’t even smoke.
Johan Klaus on January 29, 2009 at 1:15 PM
Indeed it is. Only the hottest chick. Ever.
lorien1973 on January 29, 2009 at 1:15 PM
Smoking today, twinkies tomorrow. It’s child abuse to give your kid twinkies or soda or anything else besides what the Nannies-in-Chief want. Too many kids are obese. There are hormones and chemicals in beef, everyone must be vegetarian (that’ll get the PETA crowd)
Yes, let us have the government regulate everything we take into our bodies. Oh, and make sure we all exercise too. With nazionalized health care to not exercise or eat right is not only unpatriotic, it’s treason. Off to Gitmo for you.
rbj on January 29, 2009 at 1:16 PM
Abortion is wrong. It’s still legal.
Just because you think something is wrong doesn’t give the state the right to stop them doing it.
MadisonConservative on January 29, 2009 at 1:16 PM
Replaces loriens beer goggles, with new glasses.
MDWNJ on January 29, 2009 at 1:16 PM
Shouldn’t be allowed either. Once you have kids, you have signed a social contract to protect them, and the state has an obligation to make you live up to that contract. Don’t like it? Don’t have kids. That’s freedom. If you were exposing your kids to pornography in your home, people on this blog would be up in arms. And pornography won’t give them cancer.
keep the change on January 29, 2009 at 1:17 PM
Yeah thats Amy allright. You can’t mistake that ugly crackhead’s mug. Yuck!
As far as the ” smoking ban “. Screw you. The police have better things to be doing than jacking the-folks for puffing on a smoke.
tx2654 on January 29, 2009 at 1:17 PM
So, her sister died of second-hand smoke?
There is no doubt smoking is not healthy, and no doubt second-hand smoke at best is simply irritating. Ever notice a smoker never allows the smoke to envelope them, they will take it internally, but externally stay away from it. They are “experts” at making sure the smoke doesn’t stay near them.
But how unhealthy is it? Probably more of a problem of a carrier of their germs, like a floating cough…
right2bright on January 29, 2009 at 1:17 PM
Time to file a patent for a child seat that mounts on a roof rack…
SPCOlympics on January 29, 2009 at 1:12 PM
No need, the trunk is readily available.
Bishop on January 29, 2009 at 1:17 PM
If they can take kids for having the “wrong” names, smoking is a piece of cake…
right2bright on January 29, 2009 at 1:19 PM
There is no debate as to whether or not a child in your back seat is a human being. There’s the rub. What happened to speaking for those who can’t speak for themselves? Or is that just a bumper sticker motto?
keep the change on January 29, 2009 at 1:19 PM
MDWNJ on January 29, 2009 at 1:09 PM
I had to laugh at your description of your smoking car… it brought back what I went through growing up.
I do remember telling my mother that she was killing us all – but since I was in the backseat of the land yacht we had, she could reach me to smack me… more child abuse!!!
All this to say, I have reached the ripe age of 50-something and I am as healthy as a horse.
tru2tx on January 29, 2009 at 1:20 PM
Really, so where does that end. Eating, sports, tv, you could make a case for anything being detrimental to a child. You know what why don’t we just give our kids to the government so they could just do the right thing.
MDWNJ on January 29, 2009 at 1:21 PM
There is no debate that the person is the front seat is the child’s parent. Bad parents do stupid things. The solution is not the state telling the parent how to raise their child. It doesn’t take a village.
MadisonConservative on January 29, 2009 at 1:21 PM
It ends at 18. Sucks, eh?
keep the change on January 29, 2009 at 1:22 PM
This is what we call fascism.
Stay out of other people’s lives.
MadisonConservative on January 29, 2009 at 1:22 PM
Shouldn’t be allowed either. Once you have kids, you have signed a social contract to protect them, and the state has an obligation to make you live up to that contract.
I would like to see that contract, where can I find it? How do you plan on enforcing such a law, search warrants for every house in America or simply kick down the doors? If the cops find a pack of cigs after ransacking the house, but see no one smoking, do they arrest, warn, what?
Don’t like it? Don’t have kids. That’s freedom. I
Freedom? Really.
Bishop on January 29, 2009 at 1:23 PM
If the parent is harming the child, sure the state has a right to interfere. The question becomes whether or not second hand smoke harms the child. It may. We are not sure, scientifically, that exposing a child to porno, will harm them, but we don’t argue the point. We call child services and maybe remove the child.
keep the change on January 29, 2009 at 1:24 PM
Skankella (see pic) is the poster girl for “Smoking makes you sexy.”
whitetop on January 29, 2009 at 1:24 PM
I guess the state should punish you if you take your kids to McDonald’s.
I guess the state should punish you if you let them watch frightening movies.
I guess the state should punish you if you don’t make your children exercise daily.
I guess the state should punish you if you teach your kids “harmful ideas”.
I guess the state should punish you if you train your kids not to trust the state.
MadisonConservative on January 29, 2009 at 1:24 PM
No, KtC
Do you support government telling parents what to feed their kids? To make them exercise the kids?
rbj on January 29, 2009 at 1:24 PM
Why shouldn’t the regulate this? All of the Dems seem to want universal health care for everyone. If the government has to pay for health care it makes perfect sense for them to tell all of us what to eat, drink, smoke, etc… In fact it would be a shame if they did not do this to limit their expenses.
If you want freedom from regulations don’t expect to receive free benefits.
bnichols10 on January 29, 2009 at 1:25 PM
Well i hope you have another 50 yrs of good health. I didn’t get smacked, but my dads rationale to me was, you don’t like it, start walking, and then you will have something to complain about.
MDWNJ on January 29, 2009 at 1:25 PM
I’ve noticed that eating sloppy fast food at the wheel is pretty dangerous. I’d rather be on the road with someone talking on a cellphone and having a smoke than cross paths with a driver who is in the middle of slopping special sauce from a Whopper on his tie.
But anyway, I’m not in favor of banning any of it.
The nanny-state “tyranny of the majority” is getting real creepy. People are getting way too comfortable with banning anything and everything they don’t like.
forest on January 29, 2009 at 1:26 PM
As if I needed another reason never to go to Minnesota.
rightwingprof on January 29, 2009 at 1:26 PM
I wish the government would stop smoking regulations and just allow me to beat the living crap out of anyone who smokes in my close proximity instead.
You’re right Ed, inhaling poison has no negative health effects at all.
Darth Executor on January 29, 2009 at 1:27 PM
There is no debate as to whether or not a child in your back seat is a human being. There’s the rub. What happened to speaking for those who can’t speak for themselves? Or is that just a bumper sticker motto?
Murder of the unborn versus smoking a heater in the car.
My parents didn’t smoke but they brought me home from the maternity ward laying on my mother’s lap in the front seat while she was unbelted herself.
I’m still here. Thanks for not aborting me, mom.
Bishop on January 29, 2009 at 1:27 PM
I can’t get past that photo of the
Amy WinehousePrinceWanna Be.HarneyPeak on January 29, 2009 at 1:28 PM
Pretty sure that’s the real one.
Kids outside the womb, at least by age 4 or so, actually can speak for themselves.
And it’s completely absurd to worry over smoking while driving, when the emissions from cars themselves are health concerns. Should we also fine parents who roll down their windows in heavy traffic?
Or what about parents who let their kids eat McDonalds? Childhood obesity is a serious problem here, far more than asthma or SIDS.
I realize thinking things through isn’t a strong point of the Left, but it doesn’t have to be so clearly on display.
Esthier on January 29, 2009 at 1:31 PM
Now we penalize adults for politically incorrect choices. I can remember when this used to be a free country.
petefrt on January 29, 2009 at 1:32 PM
I’m an evil smoker. When someone else is in the car I simply don’t light up. Amazing how adults can make their own decisions about things like that. The sooner we get rid of adults the better off we all will be.
Tell me what to type next.
Limerick on January 29, 2009 at 1:32 PM
Now that I think about it, this is perfect logic to ban guns.
Think of all that secondhand gunsmoke, clogging lungs and causing hearts to stop mid-beat.
Sorry son, I’d like to teach you the joys of skeet, trap and target shooting but the smoke will cause you to fall over dead, so no dice. How about we just sit on the couch and crochet instead?
Bishop on January 29, 2009 at 1:32 PM
Remember this. For the voters it’s about helping kids. For the politicians, it’s about control. About making people live how you think they should. And that impulse does not stop where you are comfortable.
TheUnrepentantGeek on January 29, 2009 at 1:32 PM
Maybe, but where does it end. What about an apartment. That is a closed area? You want the government to tell you that you can’t smoke in your own home (if you want)?
PappaMac on January 29, 2009 at 1:33 PM
I doubt it. My mother never smoked at home until she got married. Her sister’s husband didn’t smoke either. My point was that plenty of people get lung cancer who have never smoked or been exposed to second-hand smoke.
IrishEi on January 29, 2009 at 1:35 PM
Bishop,
Done deal. Dallas recently closed a gun range for unhealthy air quality. A police-only range.
Limerick on January 29, 2009 at 1:35 PM
And yet parents have no say in whether or not their 13-year-olds have an abortion, something women actually have died as a direct result of.
So, no, obviously 18 isn’t the cut off in all cases, just ones the government finds most convenient.
Esthier on January 29, 2009 at 1:36 PM
I’m not sure if thats a good comparison.
Seat belts do save lives and reduce injuries in most all instances of their applicable use i.e. accidents.
Second hand smoke?…not so much imo.
Itchee Dryback on January 29, 2009 at 1:37 PM
Apparently, this law has just passed here in Ontario as well. Told hubby to always have $250.00 put aside to pay the fine. Also told the kids that if I want to have a smoke, they can get out of the car and wait at the side of the road until I am done…
(sarc – in case some smokenazi gets offended or something)
pcbedamned on January 29, 2009 at 1:37 PM
If the parents are not giving their child proper nutrition, yes. In fact, that is already a long time precedent for child abuse. If you feed your child nothing but junk, it could, or will effect the child’s health. The state can remove the child from the home for a myriad of reasons. Second hand smoke is no more obtuse a reason than nutrition.
Don’t confuse the smoker’s rights issue with this. A smoker’s right ends where someone else’s nose begins. Especially the nose of a child. Just because it happens to be your child does it give you the right to abuse the kid.
keep the change on January 29, 2009 at 1:37 PM
I call BS on you, Rousseau. I am the decider of what my child sees and does. The government has no right to make any decision regarding this, with the sole judicial exception of imminent danger. Try reading the constitution.
“That’s Freedom” – my ass. Just how upside down can your logic get?
Vashta.Nerada on January 29, 2009 at 1:38 PM
Wouldn’t it just be easier to use your legs and walk away instead?
Esthier on January 29, 2009 at 1:39 PM
Spanked my kids. Let them ride on the back of my bike. Once or twice they bounced around in the back of the pickup. I even made them eat liver.
Jail me.
Limerick on January 29, 2009 at 1:39 PM
What about those under 4? And what are they supposed to do, protest, get out and hitch hike back home?
keep the change on January 29, 2009 at 1:40 PM
You’re confusing that with not feeding your child. Not giving your kid a nutritionally balanced meal isn’t child abuse.
Esthier on January 29, 2009 at 1:40 PM
For the record, I live down the Shore and in my particular town, we have smoking zones on our beaches. I kid you not. Come Memorial Day, they install poles on the beach and smokers must congregate within a 50′ radius of the pole. It’s absurd.
IrishEi on January 29, 2009 at 1:40 PM
Then screw the parents. Obviously the state knows best, like what to do about crumbling banks. Let’s just put children into state-run homes as soon as they’re born, and prosecute parents if they try to interfere.
MadisonConservative on January 29, 2009 at 1:41 PM
Well I’m gonna get a study that says women who wear too much perfume are causing respiratory distress to many people. I think that will start being a nice hefty fine. And the guy who eats to much Taco Bell, and has gas so bad he could strip the finish off of wood, another fine.
MDWNJ on January 29, 2009 at 1:41 PM
No, you’re not. Expose your kid to porno, sex, drugs, violence, your child is removed. You do NOT have the final say as to what happens in your home to your child.
keep the change on January 29, 2009 at 1:42 PM
Yes, that’s exactly what I expect of them. Under four it’s still a parasite, isn’t it? I mean you can’t just leave a baby by itself. It requires a lot from you, no less than the unborn.
We’ve proven we don’t give a damn about beings like that.
Esthier on January 29, 2009 at 1:42 PM
What does that have to do with the government exerting control over your personal life.
Are you in support of that kind of thing?
Itchee Dryback on January 29, 2009 at 1:42 PM
That’s actually true.
Esthier on January 29, 2009 at 1:43 PM
If you are not giving your child proper nutrition for normal growth and development, yes it is child abuse.
keep the change on January 29, 2009 at 1:43 PM
I sure do. Just because government agencies don’t follow our constitution doesn’t mean I have to play along.
Vashta.Nerada on January 29, 2009 at 1:43 PM
That’s terrifying.
MadisonConservative on January 29, 2009 at 1:43 PM
How far do you go? Should CSP cops just enter your house at dinnertime, unannounced, to make sure the kids are eating a proper vegan meal? (Similar to the no-knock rules for busting drughouses.) No need to worry about the 4th Amendment when it’s for the children.
Government is a tool we use to order society. It is not our overlord from whom we get everything.
rbj on January 29, 2009 at 1:43 PM
Under 4 a parasite? Hmmmm….
keep the change on January 29, 2009 at 1:44 PM
Cant wait to see that law come up.
MDWNJ on January 29, 2009 at 1:45 PM
Done deal. Dallas recently closed a gun range for unhealthy air quality. A police-only range.
Limerick on January 29, 2009 at 1:35 PM
Hey, Texas beat Minnesota to the punch on this? Texas??? *angels singing as Minnesota finally gets a break*
As for keepthechange, I plan on moving next door to him and every time he starts his car and a child is within 500 feet, I’m calling the cops with a child abuse claim against him.
Bishop on January 29, 2009 at 1:45 PM
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