Headline of the day

posted at 11:28 am on January 29, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

When I first saw this headline from Politico in my feedreader:

White House Plans Hardball

I assumed that Rahm Emanuel had added Chris Matthews to the daily messaging conference call.  After all, the White House also apparently plans This Week with George Stephanopoulos as well as CNN appearances by Paul Begala and James Carville.  Why not plan Hardball, too?

Well, silly me.  I forgot that the White House doesn’t have to plan Hardball, or Countdown for that matter, as both Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann come fully pre-programmed for Obama leg tingles and completely irrelevant obsessions with George W. Bush.  No, Politico meant that the White House means to play hardball (lower-case H) on the stimulus package by issuing press releases on unemployment numbers:

Pushing back against the unanimous House Republican vote against President Obama’s stimulus plan, the White House plans to release state-by-state job figures “so we can put a number on what folks voted for an against,” an administration aide said.

“It’s clear the Republicans who voted against the stimulus represent constituents who will be stunned to learn their member of Congress voted against [saving or] creating 4 million jobs,” the aide said.

White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said the lawmakers will have to answer to their constituents.

Uh-oh!  I bet that has Republicans worried.  Or not, as a moment’s consideration will make clear.  First off, present unemployment has nothing to do with this package.  In fact, one can argue that we’ve already had Stimulus #1 in the TARP perversion, and it hasn’t helped a bit. The numbers Obama plans to release actually prove that point.

Also, the package passed the House and will likely pass the Senate, which means that unemployment numbers in the future are what’s at stake.  Will the White House keep producing those figures in May, June, and July?  They’re making a big bet on a huge longshot, and they can expect Republicans to point to increasing unemployment throughout the year as the government confiscates more and more capital for its massive spending programs.

Maybe the White House will recognize the folly of this stimulus package and suspend it for complete overhaul, preventing the Senate from voting to approve it.  Then we could look forward to this headline:

White House Stops Countdown

That would be the headline of the month.


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Will the White House keep producing those figures in May, June, and July?

Nope, but you can bet someone will…

fiscallyconservative on January 29, 2009 at 11:30 AM

This is not going to work out.

kahall on January 29, 2009 at 11:33 AM

They should start a petition.

Cindy Munford on January 29, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Rahm Emanuel, I take it, has never seen a pitcher deliver one high and inside. That’s hardball Rahm.

Limerick on January 29, 2009 at 11:34 AM

They’re making a big bet on a huge longshot

That’s what I thought when I saw this. But it seems like they’re making quite a lot of bets. How about advertising that they’re writing a letter to the Iranias (which they might or might not send), just a day after Big A. demanded an apology?

Phoenician on January 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM

At least they have not invoked the children yet.

Badger40 on January 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM

They should start a petition.

Cindy Munford on January 29, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Too funny! It worked yesterday with the DCCC don’t you think?

Christian Conservative on January 29, 2009 at 11:36 AM

The only problem with this is we all know the media is going to be holding Obama’s jock on this and pretty much everything else. Lets just hope people are smart enough to realize it. But seeing as people elected this dolt, I’m not holding my breath.

MDWNJ on January 29, 2009 at 11:37 AM

I really enjoy the idea of me and my kids being the chips in this democrat bet.

Bishop on January 29, 2009 at 11:37 AM

I’m bothered that horrible governors like Michigan’s Granholm are getting absolution in the discussion of this stimulus bill. After 6 years of running the state into the ground, it is going to be a Republican Congressman’s fault for voting no on additional spending? Why in the world can’t this be thrown back in the Democrat’s face? Why would anybody in Michigan (Granholm, Kilpatrick, Levin, Stabenow) think the situation calls for MORE Democrats?

I also find it interesting this tactic mirrors “Marc Ambinder”‘s thoughts on the reasons Republicans should support the stimulus.
Once again, Ambinder told us the precise spin the White House wants the story to have.

MayBee on January 29, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Nobody except the MSM is stupid enough to believe this bill will create jobs.

The Obama are so ticked that they screwed up over Rush Limbaugh that they are trying to capture some high ground. They are in over their heads.

I give Robert Gibbs about another month before he is demoted. I cannot believe they are not looking for someone with a higher level of thinking.

BigD on January 29, 2009 at 11:39 AM

What baffles me is how easy it would be for Obama to craft a bill that most everyone would like and that the GOP would probably also oppose on principle. A bill that contained the Reaganesque working/middle class tax cut that is hugely popular, eliminate taxes on unemployment benefits (a Dem idea the GOP has somehow coopted) create a massive fund for mortgage renegotiation for those able to meet the threshold and start earmarking highway infrastructure, broadband, alt energy projects. Done and done. NO business tax cuts, the defecit needs to start closing and it’s very easy to sell that by maligning the corporate sector (which everyone pretty much hates thanks to TARP). Seriously, this stuff should be EASY. Tim Gunn needs to sit Obama down for a Make it Work talking to.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 29, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Remember who their audience is comprised of. Sound bites, misconceptions and blame the other guy is music to their ears. Their audience doesn’t have a need to understand the stimulus bill. Unless the checks are delayed.

sherry on January 29, 2009 at 11:39 AM

The Army of O is really showing their amateur political skills here. They doubled down for a big crap sandwich without a Plan B. Unemployment numbers? Bring ‘em on. How many workers want to pay other guys to stay home? How many of those states have Dem governors?

PattyJ on January 29, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Olbermann and Matthews will never give the American people the truth about the stimulous package: How about healthcare for children….up to 30 years of age. How about pork, pork and more pork that stimulates the pockets of democrats and not the economy? Will someone PLEASE read the bill and tell the American public the truth?

How about telling MSNBC what you think about Keith Olberboyy…

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/fire-keith-olbermann

afotia on January 29, 2009 at 11:40 AM

what the hell are you talking about, Ed?

crimeny. let me read that again… and again…

Mazztek on January 29, 2009 at 11:41 AM

“It’s clear the Republicans who voted against the stimulus represent constituents who will be stunned to learn their member of Congress voted against [saving or] creating 4 million jobs,” the aide said

Will they be stunned when their tax rate is 60% and the rate for a 30 year fixed rate mortgage is 15%?

bluejacket on January 29, 2009 at 11:42 AM

So much for the de-politicization of the White House. Anyone keeping tabs on how many Obama campaign promisies have already been abadoned?

–No lobbyists in my Administration
–Transparency on spending
–No more pork
–Put aside petty grievances of the past (cough, Rush Limbaugh, cough)

rockmom on January 29, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Let it roll for 6 months and see what happens.
By July 4th 2009 people will start the 2nd revolution.

izoneguy on January 29, 2009 at 11:46 AM

The Hardball headline reminds me…

Ed, why don’t you set up a poll “When talking about Obama, who is most likely to have the first on air ejaculation – Chris Matthews or Brian Williams?”

CarolynM on January 29, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Obama, Pelosi, and Reid are going to blitz every single play. Burn ‘em deep, Repubs.

Christien on January 29, 2009 at 11:46 AM

The Army of O is really showing their amateur political skills here. They doubled down for a big crap sandwich without a Plan B. Unemployment numbers? Bring ‘em on. How many workers want to pay other guys to stay home? How many of those states have Dem governors?

Once they see Blago get the axe, it won’t be long before some other dem govs get the message or so be axed as well.

izoneguy on January 29, 2009 at 11:47 AM

And somehow I don’t think all those Starbucks baristas being laid off are going to pick up shovels and jackhammers to build roads and renovate schools.

A lot of these jobs are not coming back.

rockmom on January 29, 2009 at 11:48 AM

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123318906638926749.html

Why isn’t that one a Comment-able post?

Except for DeathToMediaHacks “NO Business tax cuts” retardation, he must be just a Rush Ditto head.

kirkill on January 29, 2009 at 11:48 AM

At least they have not invoked the children yet.

Badger40 on January 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM

Democrats to invoke the children in 5…4…3…

CP on January 29, 2009 at 11:49 AM

At least they have not invoked the children yet.

Badger40 on January 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM

Of course not. San Fran Nan doesn’t want them to be born.

Of course, Pelosi might have forgotten that children need food, clothing that has to be rebought every year as they grow, books, toys, and children are voracious consumers of video games, music, and electronic gadgets.

Earth to Pelosi: Children STIMULATE THE ECONOMY, and when they grow up and start working they can pay our Social Security bills. Besides that, they’re cute and lots of fun!

Steve Z on January 29, 2009 at 11:50 AM

What jobs? Who’s hiring? Where? When? Are they going to just magically appear as soon as this bill passes? Who decides who gets these “jobs” they keep talking about? If the jobs are for building roads and bridges, like someone mentioned before, these kinds of projects take time, maybe years, to award. Or is the government going to hire a bunch of people to hand out the pork?

scalleywag on January 29, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Or is the government going to hire a bunch of people to hand out the pork?
scalleywag on January 29, 2009 at 11:50 AM

According to President Ogabe, about 600,000 of them.

Bishop on January 29, 2009 at 11:52 AM

What’s the what now?

Their stupid bill passed! What more does that one want? If it’s such a great idea, why don’t they revel in the fact that it’s theirs and theirs alone?

It’s almost like Obama and the Donks are looking for a scapegoat or something. As if Messiah could do anything that wasn’t perfect!

Kensington on January 29, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Let’s not forget to make a distinction between a government employee and a non-government employee.

A job performed by a government employee is not a “created” job. It is a “directed” job. Take, as an example, the military. Is it legitimate for the White House to claim having created 40,000 jobs by increasing the size of the military by 40,000 billets?

President Obortion and his advisors are planning on “creating” jobs by performing a new New Deal program, and using those “employees” as evidence of the success of the stimulus plan. They don’t count.

BobMbx on January 29, 2009 at 11:53 AM

President Obortion

Oh, I like that! I’m going to use that!

Kensington on January 29, 2009 at 11:56 AM

President Obortion…
Oh, I like that! I’m going to use that!

Kensington on January 29, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Hah! I wish I could claim credit for coining it, but that goes to another HA visitor. Unfortunately, I don’t remember who it was.

BobMbx on January 29, 2009 at 11:59 AM

“It’s clear the Republicans who voted against the stimulus represent constituents who will be stunned to learn their member of Congress voted against [saving or] creating 4 million jobs,” the aide said

Isn’t extortion against the law?

Knucklehead on January 29, 2009 at 12:02 PM

This is insanity. These fools that are pillaging the treasury are raping the country. Even worse, most of the elected political cowards won’t even speak up. If you want to panic, it’s time, because the nation will soon be bankrupt and the entire population will be in a soup line that has no soup . . . and I guarantee you that Nancy, Barak and Harry aren’t going to invite you to dinner.

rplat on January 29, 2009 at 12:03 PM

These people are clueless. Issue a statement, write a few letters and all is well.

For God’s sake, it sounds like our country is being run by a community organizer!

fogw on January 29, 2009 at 12:05 PM

Isn’t extortion against the law?

Knucklehead on January 29, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Unless you are working for the govt.

Badger40 on January 29, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Isn’t extortion against the law?

Knucklehead on January 29, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Obama is the law

(say that with a Stallone accent)

LimeyGeek on January 29, 2009 at 12:06 PM

So Obama releases numbers for, say Michigan, that say all those mean Republicans voted against a bill that’s going to create 200,000 jobs. Then, those jobs fail to materialize.

Seems to me like it doesn’t hurt the Republicans in the state all that badly.

BadgerHawk on January 29, 2009 at 12:09 PM

What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. The Stimulus bill will pass, either over or around the dead bodies of Republicans and principled Democrats. The point is — it will pass. At election time, every Republican who voted against the stimulus, as well as any opponent to an incumbent who did vote for the stimulus, will be able to point to the bill and ask the electorate “The stimulus bill passed and you are supposedly seeing the benefits. Are you better off financially today than you were prior to its passage?”

The majority answer to that question will determine the outcome of the elections.

unclesmrgol on January 29, 2009 at 12:11 PM

Here’s Ambinder today:

There is a sense among some Democratic officials that yesterday’s vote by Republicans was for show; that now, since they’ve gotten a “no” vote out of their system and showed off to the base or whomever, they’ll relalign themselves with the forces of good and light and be willing to support the bill as conferenced in February.

As you can see, the Obama administration has no intention of figuring out what Republicans didn’t like about the bill, nor do they plan to change anything to earn their votes.
This is all just a little tantrum by the Republicans, and the Republicans will come around. It’s the new Bi-Partisanship!

MayBee on January 29, 2009 at 12:15 PM

Ed, why don’t you set up a poll “When talking about Obama, who is most likely to have the first on air ejaculation – Chris Matthews or Brian Williams?”

Too late, Chrissy already had one. Remember the thrill that went up his leg. And Olbie can’t have one as he can’t get it up, even for the One.

Jvette on January 29, 2009 at 12:22 PM

I think that’s why he’s so angry all the time. I know it would make me one grumpy guy.

Jvette on January 29, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Seems to me like it doesn’t hurt the Republicans in the state all that badly.

BadgerHawk on January 29, 2009 at 12:09 PM

And makes the Chief of Thief out to be a liar.

dominigan on January 29, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Laura Ingraham said that Rep. Bohener did the O sign last night on the floor of the House to indicate the number of votes from the Republicans. I’d like to see that.

Cindy Munford on January 29, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Best stimulus package to lower unemployment. Stop illegal immigration.

Johan Klaus on January 29, 2009 at 12:45 PM

Let me guess at how publishing the unemployment numbers will go.

Unemployment up – Bush’s fault
Unemployment down – Obama’s credit

For some reason, I’m very confident in this prediction.

notagool on January 29, 2009 at 12:45 PM

Rahm Emanuel, I take it, has never seen a pitcher deliver one high and inside. That’s hardball Rahm.

Limerick on January 29, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Rahm can ask Barney Frank about that…

right2bright on January 29, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Now that the WH and Dems have signaled what they will do politically against Republicans who voted against this bill, it behooves those Republicans in districts that are up-for-grabs to make a detailed list of all garbage and pork and their cost.

Rs supposedly lost seats because of the “culture of corruption” and loose spending. If they don’t get in front of this attack line, then they have only themselves to blame. There are already a ton of volunteers going through the current stimulus bill with a fine-tooth comb. They don’t need anymore paid staff to deal with this.

danking70 on January 29, 2009 at 12:59 PM

How many unemployed Americans will find succor in the fact that there will be temporary jobs available to plant sod at the National Mall or lay asphalt on some highway (at some time in the distant future, no less)?

I just don’t see people saying, woo hoo, where do I sign up?

Buy Danish on January 29, 2009 at 1:08 PM

Silly me! I should have said, “how many Americans will find succor in the fact that there may be temporary jobs available…”

Buy Danish on January 29, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Saving or creating jobs. What kind of crap is that? How do you know how many jobs you’re savin? What jobs are they? How are you saving them. If you’re creating jobs, at least that can be seen.

Man, are most Americans stupid enough to believe any of this? This is like grade school!

Vince on January 29, 2009 at 1:15 PM

“It’s clear the Republicans who voted against the stimulus represent constituents who will be stunned to learn their member of Congress voted against [saving or] creating 4 million jobs,” the aide said.

The government does not create jobs. The only occupations that could tangentially be attributed to government (besides the constitutionally created members of the executive, legislative and judicial branches) are lobbyists and bureaucrats, and both could be more productively employed elsewhere.

Vashta.Nerada on January 29, 2009 at 1:30 PM

DeathToMediaHacks on January 29, 2009 at 11:39 AM

I’m not sure Obama’s degree of influence over the House version was all that great, to be honest. Leading one to the question, similar to yours — why not?

DrSteve on January 29, 2009 at 1:34 PM

DrSteve on January 29, 2009 at 1:34 PM

I think Barry, his Socialist Secy of Labor, Hilda Solis, and Rham Emanuel had a great deal of input. I don’t see any difference between their goals and Madame Pelosi’s goals in any case.

As to DTMH’s suggestion that there be no “business tax cuts”, the fact is that Barry plans to screw small business by raising their taxes – an act which will be met with about as much enthusiasm as French citoyens had for Marie Antoinette.

Buy Danish on January 29, 2009 at 1:45 PM

I’m bothered that horrible governors like Michigan’s Granholm are getting absolution in the discussion of this stimulus bill. After 6 years of running the state into the ground, it is going to be a Republican Congressman’s fault for voting no on additional spending? Why in the world can’t this be thrown back in the Democrat’s face? Why would anybody in Michigan (Granholm, Kilpatrick, Levin, Stabenow) think the situation calls for MORE Democrats?

MayBee on January 29, 2009 at 11:37 AM

As a fellow resident of Michigan, I have to agree. It makes me wonder why people continue to vote these folks into office.

thequeball on January 29, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Not to Godwin the thread already, but, didn’t another political movement infamously push its agenda by fixating on unemployment numbers, in order to place blame?

Count to 10 on January 29, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Good luck getting Matthews or anyone else to report those numbers.

shooten on January 29, 2009 at 2:07 PM

The Obamanits are playing Wiley Coyote. They will light the stick of dynamite and hold it while it explodes in their face.

Captain America on January 29, 2009 at 2:07 PM

Uh-oh! I bet that has Republicans worried. Or not, as a moment’s consideration will make clear. First off, present unemployment has nothing to do with this package. In fact, one can argue that we’ve already had Stimulus #1 in the TARP perversion, and it hasn’t helped a bit. The numbers Obama plans to release actually prove that point.

It matters not. The public eats up whatever spin and lies Obama puts out. Reason is dead.

Grafted on January 29, 2009 at 2:11 PM

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/28/cable-news-stimulus/

Hmmm……Liberal bias what?

DeathToMediaHacks on January 29, 2009 at 2:14 PM

As Media Matters has documented, during the Bush administration, the media consistently allowed conservatives to dominate their shows, booking them as guests far more often than progressives. The rationale was that Republicans were “in power.”

It appears that old habits die hard. Even though President Obama and his team are in control of the executive branch and Democrats are in the majority in Congress, the cable networks are still turning more often to Republicans and allowing them to set the agenda on major issues, most recently on the debate over the economic recovery package.

On Sunday, conservatives began an all-out assault on President Obama’s economic recovery plan, with House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) and Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) both announcing that they would vote against the plan as it stood. Despite Obama’s efforts at good faith outreach, congressional conservatives have continued to attack the stimulus plan with a series of false and disingenuous arguments.

The media have been aiding their efforts. In a new analysis, ThinkProgress has found that the five cable news networks — CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, Fox Business and CNBC — have hosted more Republican lawmakers to discuss the plan than Democrats by a 2 to 1 ratio this week. In total, from 6 AM on Monday to 4 PM on Wednesday, the networks have hosted Republican lawmakers 51 times and Democratic lawmakers only 24 times. Surprisingly, Fox News came the closest to offering balance, hosting 8 Republicans and 6 Democrats. CNN had only one Democrat compared to 7 Republicans.

The drastically imbalanced coverage isn’t the first time that the news networks have effectively supported attacks on the recovery plans. As ThinkProgress reported on Monday, the cable networks, the Sunday shows and the network newscasts promoted a controversial CBO non-report 81 times before the actual CBO analysis of the stimulus plan was released.

For those who can’t click.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 29, 2009 at 2:19 PM

The Army of O is really showing their amateur political skills here. They doubled down for a big crap sandwich without a Plan B.

PattyJ on January 29, 2009 at 11:40 AM

What’s all this talk about crab sandwiches? I LOVE crab sandwiches! And crab cakes, crab imperial…..

/Emily Latella impersonation OFF

UltimateBob on January 29, 2009 at 2:22 PM

…the White House plans to release state-by-state job figures “so we can put a number on what folks voted for an against,” an administration aide said.

I would be very interested to see the results of this. I wonder how many of the states hardest hit by unemployment have Democrats in the governor’s office.

cheeflo on January 29, 2009 at 2:25 PM

“It’s clear the Republicans who voted against the stimulus represent constituents who will be stunned to learn their member of Congress voted against [saving or] creating 4 million jobs,” the aide said.

One of the most blatant non-sequiters yet from a bunch that is master of them. If they had the least honesty or knowledge of economics, they would declare that any stimulus, no matter how designed that isn’t a tax cut or Federal spending cut, will necessarily cost jobs – because for every dollar the government spends, the private sector spends at least one less. There is no leprachaun box from which the Feds pull money, it comes from private citizens.

They are either evil, or simply so used to living in the fantasy world built for them by Keynesians that they have become psychotic. It’s sometimes hard to decide which.

JDPerren on January 29, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Best stimulus package to lower unemployment. Stop illegal immigration.

Johan Klaus on January 29, 2009 at 12:45 PM

They’re too busy passing bills that provide additional incentives for illegals to come here — such as the S-Chip bill, which provides health care to “children” but requires no proof of citizenship to receive the services, or the current “stimulus” bill, which provides for “tax credits” (i.e. welfare payments) of $500 to $1000 for anybody with a Taxpayer ID number (no valid SS number required).

AZCoyote on January 29, 2009 at 2:28 PM

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/28/cable-news-stimulus/

Hmmm……Liberal bias what?

DeathToMediaHacks on January 29, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Damn you got us. I mean just look at all those hard hitting articles on Geitner, the daily repeat of Reich’s racist comments, the in depth reporting of stimulus details like repeating the lie about 1/3 tax cuts.

ClassicCon on January 29, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Reich’s racist comments, the in depth reporting of stimulus details like repeating the lie about 1/3 tax cuts.

ClassicCon on January 29, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Because Tim Geithner’s confirmation is as important as a balanced perspective on the economic recovery plan and the American people’s access to more than GOP talking points? OK whatever. There’s no way around it. As usual the MSM is allowing the GOP to decide the terms of the debate and the networks you claim to hate the most, CNN et al are the ones giving them the largest platforms.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 29, 2009 at 2:31 PM

Hey did you guys enjoy that hard hitting expose by the totally objective media about stimulus money going to illegal…err…undocumented workers? I think I saw it on MSNBC first.

Oops…actually it was right wing hate news source….breitbart. I am sure the falsley accused objective media will pick it up eventually and make it a daily meme like Bush’s illegal war, torture, and failure on the economy. Right?

ClassicCon on January 29, 2009 at 2:33 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/29/business/29bonus.html?_r=1&hp

Needs to be a headline here.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 29, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Because Tim Geithner’s confirmation is as important as a balanced perspective on the economic recovery plan and the American people’s access to more than GOP talking points? OK whatever. There’s no way around it. As usual the MSM is allowing the GOP to decide the terms of the debate and the networks you claim to hate the most, CNN et al are the ones giving them the largest platforms.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 29, 2009 at 2:31 PM

Yeah cheating on your taxes and not even getting a slap on the wrist is simply a GOP talking point. This same media that wont even report the laughable details of this political payback package until right wing blogs do the legwork on it and Drudge puts in on the front page?

Oh and notice how they give Faux News the most credit for being “fair and balanced”…ouch…that must sting.

ClassicCon on January 29, 2009 at 2:36 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/29/business/29bonus.html?_r=1&hp

Needs to be a headline here.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 29, 2009 at 2:36 PM

So when a fat leftist entrenched bereaucrat wastes millions of taxpayer money is just the cost of government, but when fat white wall street do it, it is RAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGEEEEE!

Honestly though, I loathe both of them, and if my former party had not totally lost its way and bailed these fools out I wounld not have shed a tear to watch them crash and burn.

ClassicCon on January 29, 2009 at 2:40 PM

I have no love for any of the corporate media, it’s nice to see that Fox is doing some balance. But if you accept that conclusion then you must also accept that GOP reps are outnumbering Dem by 2-1 on this issue. Seems the problem is not that the media is biased against conservative voices, it’s that those voices aren’t pushing the stories YOU think are most important, i.e. this illegal immigrants getting stimulus money thing.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 29, 2009 at 2:41 PM

So when a fat leftist entrenched bereaucrat wastes millions of taxpayer money is just the cost of government, but when fat white wall street do it, it is RAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGEEEEE!

When you can think of an example of a “fat leftist beauracrat” enriching his/herself to the tune of 18 billion dollars in one year you might have a claim of moral equivalency. I mean even the worst Dem corruption might be what, a million bucks here or there. These guys were paid 8-9 figures in bonuses while they had their hand out for taxpayer help. There’s nothing like it on the other side. Not even close. Which is why it’s not a headline here.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 29, 2009 at 2:46 PM

I have no love for any of the corporate media, it’s nice to see that Fox is doing some balance. But if you accept that conclusion then you must also accept that GOP reps are outnumbering Dem by 2-1 on this issue. Seems the problem is not that the media is biased against conservative voices, it’s that those voices aren’t pushing the stories YOU think are most important, i.e. this illegal immigrants getting stimulus money thing.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 29, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Concerning the 2 to 1 claim. I assume they are not counting the Democrats doing the interviewing since the media anchors simply echo DNC talking points?

Supressing stories that run counter to the points you are making is….bias…

ClassicCon on January 29, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Supressing stories that run counter to the points you are making is….bias…

ClassicCon on January 29, 2009 at 2:47 PM

I don’t think you even watch these networks, with the exception of MSNBC anchors do not repeat DNC talking points. They’ve been very skeptical of things on CNBC as well as CNN. Now have they asked hard quesations of GOP on, of course, but they are giving them tons more airtime than they are Dems. There just isn’t really a response to that.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 29, 2009 at 2:53 PM

Write letters to the editor about how the $850 billion plus there is only $40 billion for actual infrastructure building/rebuilding. LESS THAN 5%!!!!

The bill to be voted on today includes $30 billion for roads and bridges, $9 billion for public transit and $1 billion for inter-city rail — less than 5 percent of the package’s total spending. Administration officials have said they did not push for more infrastructure spending because of concerns about how many projects are “shovel ready” — a view that House members say is held most strongly by Lawrence H. Summers, Obama’s chief economic adviser.

From the post no less:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/27/AR2009012703655.html?hpid=topnews

jukin on January 29, 2009 at 2:55 PM

When you can think of an example of a “fat leftist beauracrat” enriching his/herself to the tune of 18 billion dollars in one year you might have a claim of moral equivalency..

DeathToMediaHacks on January 29, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Phew…where to start. First off there is not ONE individual who enriched themselves to 18B, they were referring to an undisclosed number of financial companies.

Also there is no proof that they used taxpayer money, and if they didn’t then it is none of your business. Bereaucrat’s on the other had survive solely on taxpayer extorted money with no threat of penalty for misuse. They waste the money they simply raise taxes to get more.

Concerning waste of taxpayer money by governmnet; there is not enough room in this textbox to show it all.

ClassicCon on January 29, 2009 at 2:56 PM

Also there is no proof that they used taxpayer money, and if they didn’t then it is none of your business.

These banks received bailout funds therefore ANY bonuses awarded at the end of the year came from taxpayer money. It doesn’t matter how money came in, they claimed they needed 700 billion dollars. It seems they actually needed 18 billion less than that, which might have gone towards the stimulus or not been added to the defecit. This is 100% WRONG.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 29, 2009 at 3:00 PM

I don’t think you even watch these networks, with the exception of MSNBC anchors do not repeat DNC talking points. They’ve been very skeptical of things on CNBC as well as CNN. Now have they asked hard quesations of GOP on, of course, but they are giving them tons more airtime than they are Dems. There just isn’t really a response to that.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 29, 2009 at 2:53 PM

“…excited about our new chief executive after a line of what the ordinary voter would maybe describe as bad choices or choices of evils, for years, generations.”

Brian Williams, NBC News Anchor

ClassicCon on January 29, 2009 at 3:03 PM

These banks received bailout funds therefore ANY bonuses awarded at the end of the year came from taxpayer money. It doesn’t matter how money came in, they claimed they needed 700 billion dollars. It seems they actually needed 18 billion less than that, which might have gone towards the stimulus or not been added to the defecit. This is 100% WRONG.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 29, 2009 at 3:00 PM

I agree Death. Seriously I do. I also believe that you will find most of us here were opposed to TARP from the beginning even when members of my party and president were screaming the sky is falling.

ClassicCon on January 29, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Didn’t the House Repubs turn down the original stimulus, then help pass it on the come-back? Look for that to happen again. They’ll say its better because they forced some small change, and then help pass it.

tgillian on January 29, 2009 at 3:09 PM

I am a person. I am not one of your frackin FOLKS liberals. Folks was what Adolph Hittler called the populace of Germany when he was in power. Folks or Volks! Remember the Volkswagen. Screw you and your folks.

sonnyspats1 on January 29, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Didn’t the House Repubs turn down the original stimulus, then help pass it on the come-back? Look for that to happen again. They’ll say its better because they forced some small change, and then help pass it.

Ahhh…um….it ….um…. ah…..passed. Even wtih bi-partisan opposition.

jukin on January 29, 2009 at 4:08 PM

I don’t think Obama wants to go on Hardball… Cris Matthews would be sued for sexual harassment.

Cr4sh Dummy on January 29, 2009 at 4:59 PM

The Democrats just want to hang this wreath around the GOP necks so they can point at us when it fails… I sent a letter of congrats to my congressman and Boehner last night and made a donation to the RNCC. Also emailed my two senators and McConnell this morning to stand shoulder to shoulder with the GOP congress.

Rapunzel on January 29, 2009 at 5:34 PM

Republicans need to begin the derailment process by ticking off the non-stimulus portions of the pork bill. Condoms and std prevention would be a good start. Perot-esque charts and graphs are a good way to begin to underscore the size of this can of pork. Why is our side not putting a message in front of the press under the Capital rotunda every single day.

When the White House talks about corporate jets, Mike Pence needs to bring up Pelosi’s personal aircraft. When Obama talks about corporate responsibility our side needs to talk about the responsibility of govt not to load more debt onto the backs of Americans.

I just watched Shelby talk in broad generalities about why the Democrat approach is the wrong approach. Technically correct but poorly communicated. It was like Bush 41 getting skunked in a debate with Bill Clinton because Bush talked in a disembodied way about how interest rates work while Clinton aced the question by talking about how it impacts the consumer on a personal level.

I suspect that resistance is only going to increase over time but we have only a short window in which we can force changes to the bill itself.

It is high time our side starts crafting a winning message. Now is the time to start staking out territory and laying down markers. I suspect that the general public is uneasy with this spending and would respond positively to articulate leadership. Obama’s support is not as widespread or as deep as many would have us all believe. It only takes an accumulation of missteps to begin the process of apply the brakes.

moxie_neanderthal on January 29, 2009 at 5:38 PM

Jobs come from the private sector, not the public sector… unless you can afford to wait 30 years for a condom dispenser to retire with their pension.

chunderroad on January 29, 2009 at 6:23 PM

the White House plans to release state-by-state job figures “so we can put a number on what folks voted for an against,”

Republicans,
Release state-by-state costs of this Porkulus Bill.

jgapinoy on January 29, 2009 at 8:16 PM

moxie_neanderthal on January 29, 2009 at 5:38 PM

Then you’ll see the folks on the right be excoriated for their airplane use.

sethstorm on January 30, 2009 at 6:07 AM

“It’s clear the Republicans who voted against the stimulus represent constituents who will be stunned to learn their member of Congress voted against [saving or] creating 4 million jobs,” the aide said.

Perhaps they should offer something that would be appealing instead of offending. Perhaps a deep tax cut that also enacts a Patriot Employer act?

sethstorm on January 30, 2009 at 6:09 AM