House vote on stimulus imminent; Update: 244-188, all Republicans vote no
posted at 5:46 pm on January 28, 2009 by Allahpundit
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They’re wrapping up floor debate on the last Republican amendment on C-SPAN 1 as I write this. Is the GOP really going to walk away from this crap sandwich or will the cocktail party at 1600 tonight be even chummier than hoped? A trillion dollars is a small price to pay for bipartisanship!
Prediction: 20 Republicans defect. Exit question: Who said it? “There is a temptation to expand direct interference of state in economy. In the Soviet Union that became an absolute. We paid a very dear price for that.”
Update: Final vote: 244-188. It was 242-190 moments before they gaveled it — with every last Republican voting no — but two no votes switched at the last minute and they didn’t say who they were. I assume they’re Blue Dogs, but I’ll check. Either way, for good or ill, this is entirely the Democrats’ baby now.
Update: Here’s the guest list on that White House shindig, which should be loads of fun after this vote.
Update: WaPo confirms that all 177 Republicans were among the nays.
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Barack Obama will now eclipse George Bush as the most fiscally irresponsible president in history.
No one will remember this vote in a month- just like the past 3 stimulus packages from you clowns in 2008 that cost about $600 billion between them and all resulted in 2 things- jack and sh!t
Chuck Schick on January 28, 2009 at 7:31 PM
Why is President Obama pushing the biggest government budget ever? Because he received the most campaign donations ever. The so-called Stimulus Bill should be called the PayBack Bill. Unions, ACORN, liberal municipalities, and other Obama supporters are big beneficiaries of the bill. Obama even tried to get hundreds of millions of dollars to Planned Parenthood, but after Nanny Pelosi flopped miserably trying to defend that pork as good for the economy (children are “costs” that must be prevented, you know), the Dems had to postpone that payback.
So the trillion dollars Obama will spend gets added to the trillion Bush foolishly spent, and our children, and their children, will be burdened with infinitely more “costs” than they caused.
Why is Obama fighting so hard for Republican support? The bill would pass without even one GOP vote. It’s so that when the measure fails to stimulate the economy, it won’t be blamed on Democrats alone. Remember the first mid-term election under Bill Clinton? Republicans were right to unite and fight his takeover of the medical industry, and the public remembered who was for it and who was against it on Election Day, giving the Republicans the first GOP Congress in decades. May history repeat itself.
jgapinoy on January 28, 2009 at 7:31 PM
FTFY
Jim Treacher on January 28, 2009 at 7:34 PM
Hey — Looking at $3 trillion in deficits in 2009. Not bad for only 8 days in office.
Dasher on January 28, 2009 at 7:34 PM
By the way………
……. does anyone know who exactly wrote the bill?
I doubt it was Obama, it’s not on a teleprompter, but he has his name on it…….
…… who were the authors?
Seven Percent Solution on January 28, 2009 at 7:34 PM
FAST TRACKING GOVERNMENT CONTROL OF HEALTH CARE
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/01/26/fast-tracking-government-control-of-health-care/
Nothing about jobs and stimulating the economy here,just more liberal agenda to allow the government to control more of our lives.
Can’t wait to have some of that great Cuban socialized health care.
GOP,keep voting and fighting against this liberal insanity.
Baxter Greene on January 28, 2009 at 7:35 PM
Done. Thank you, boomer.
HornetSting on January 28, 2009 at 7:35 PM
If I thought it would do any good I would send it. It’s a sad commentary that the will of the people is completely disregarded by the politicians. I know a few democrats who do not support this bill. They feel as bad as we republicans that Nancy and company are destroying the free enterprise system. Welcome to the welfare state America.
kanda on January 28, 2009 at 7:35 PM
But,but,but,
Nancy,after 60 years of Failed Liberal Policies,
I got this warm and fuzzy feeling,that this,
will be the ‘ONE’ that works!(sarc).
canopfor on January 28, 2009 at 7:35 PM
This is the best chase since OJ Simpson.
kanda on January 28, 2009 at 7:26 PM
LOL, where are you going to go in a Uhaul, those things are gutless.
Bishop on January 28, 2009 at 7:35 PM
I know the bill did pass, but you gotta wonder what he feels like getting a shut-out vote like that from the opposition on the second week in office. Michelle is not going to be happy tonight at the party.
sherry on January 28, 2009 at 7:35 PM
By the way…….
Seven Percent Solution on Jan 28,2009 at 7:34PM.
Seven Percent Solutions: Me thinks,it is Ayers/Dorhns!:)
canopfor on January 28, 2009 at 7:38 PM
She moved over the the Pacific coast Highway. The chase continues on CNN HLN. It’s really entertaining.
kanda on January 28, 2009 at 7:38 PM
You said it right brother!!!!!!!
As everyday goes by,the people will learn more and more about the pork and corrupt payoffs for votes in this bill that will just be the start of huge deficits and no real results on the ground.
Obama and the democratic congress will be trying to sell more spending over and over and over in the next few months.
The GOP is on the right side of this “Pay for Play” scheme.
Baxter Greene on January 28, 2009 at 7:38 PM
Wonder what the One’s poll numbers wil be next week.
Wethal on January 28, 2009 at 7:38 PM
I am proud of the Republicans. This is a good day, even if that dog of a stimulus passes.
Good enough Pig. Good enough. You did not go for the bacon bits.
Mr. Joe on January 28, 2009 at 7:39 PM
I blame
BushRush!the_nile on January 28, 2009 at 7:39 PM
Hip Hip Hooray! There is hope. Let this miserable travesty belong solely to the DemocRats
CCRWM on January 28, 2009 at 7:40 PM
She moved over the the Pacific coast Highway. The chase continues on CNN HLN. It’s really entertaining.
kanda on January 28, 2009 at 7:38 PM
Im watching it, good chase, driver looks to be smoking a heater while she runs.
Bishop on January 28, 2009 at 7:41 PM
And now the gop house will vote yes on the Senate compromise bill when it comes back.
New to politics?
But keep calling and send them emails you crazy kids.
Welcome to the minority.
getalife on January 28, 2009 at 7:42 PM
Good God Almighty, that’s fantastic! Now when it all falls apart at least we’re on the record as rejecting it. And soundly! Still, what a craptastic waste of our money.
scalleywag on January 28, 2009 at 7:42 PM
You want entertainment, switch to FOX. Shep is a hoot.
IrishEi on January 28, 2009 at 7:42 PM
What does Rush have to do with it?
xler8bmw on January 28, 2009 at 7:42 PM
Dude, expending 1.5 calories saying “thanks” isn’t all that hard to do.
Politicians respond to carrot and stick. They got the stick in November – now it’s carrot time. The GOP has to see that standing on principle will help them in the long run. Otherwise they will soon be, as you say, Socialist Lite.
fiatboomer on January 28, 2009 at 7:42 PM
Probably where they are now (~70% approval) as the same polls show support for the bill (if you are inclined to believe polls). People are scared and they want something done. The GOP knows it, and if this vote was close to failing no way they would have risked having it not pass be hung around their necks (like in the fall). Knowing it was going to pass gave them cover.
okonkolo on January 28, 2009 at 7:43 PM
Out of all the talk about this stimulus bill not one of you guys has defended it on its merits, just whether or not it will help you stay in power.
Should tell you something.
Chuck Schick on January 28, 2009 at 7:44 PM
fiatboomer, I copied and pasted your email verbatim (only changed “happy” in the last sentence to “proud”), I hope you don’t mind! And thanks for the email address. I emailed Tom McClintock to thank him, even though I am not in his district, I am a long-time fan. In my email, I told him that I was thanking him because my rep is a communist, lol!
califcon on January 28, 2009 at 7:45 PM
Chuck Schick on January 28, 2009 at 7:44 PM
It creates jobs.
getalife on January 28, 2009 at 7:45 PM
I wonder if Bush has a twinkle in his eye?
scalleywag on January 28, 2009 at 7:47 PM
It’s beginning to feel a lot like ‘93, everywhere I go….
malan89 on January 28, 2009 at 7:47 PM
Prove it.
Chuck Schick on January 28, 2009 at 7:47 PM
He still has a lot of influence, especially with the House GOP.
malan89 on January 28, 2009 at 7:48 PM
so I hear this pork sausage has $650M more money for digital TV converter box coupons (on top of what has already been spent). I have two questions:
a) how many jobs is that money going to produce?
b) when did TV become a necessity/constitutional right?
vermillionsky on January 28, 2009 at 7:48 PM
That’s not fair! That isn’t in the talking points!
malan89 on January 28, 2009 at 7:49 PM
It creates jobs.
getalife on January 28, 2009 at 7:45 PM
Hehehehehehehehe.
New to economics?
Bishop on January 28, 2009 at 7:50 PM
Actually it creates make-work by which no demanded goods or services are provided and for which money is “earned.” I saw how this was done when I was a teenager in South Central LA in the seventies: you got paid just for showing up. This is a standard community organization program/tactic, writ national.
baldilocks on January 28, 2009 at 7:50 PM
malan89 OH PLEASE!
xler8bmw on January 28, 2009 at 7:51 PM
You’ll be “tipping your hat” from the sidelines when your party gets pwned in 2010.
LastRick on January 28, 2009 at 7:51 PM
None, and it is not. These people are lunatics.
scalleywag on January 28, 2009 at 7:52 PM
This is payback for the arrogance Obama has shown to the GOP.
Next time you act like a 2 year old and say I WON expect retaliation and punisment!
xler8bmw on January 28, 2009 at 7:52 PM
dang! it didn’t take mr obama long to get his Hoover impression down pat!
let the movement of the deck chairs on the titanic begin!
DrW on January 28, 2009 at 7:52 PM
I’m proud the Republicans held together, and stood strong. Good for them. Unfortunately, I don’t think it’s enough to stop this train wreck from happening, but they deserve a pat on the back, for their solidarity.
As for this White House schmoozing. Let’s hope these Republicans are smarter , and realize what it is, for what it is.
Why does my gut tell me this is more of a shake down, than a cocktail party? Obama and his goons did their share of hurling threats at people that dared to get in their way.
capejasmine on January 28, 2009 at 7:54 PM
I guess the filthy bastard’s cult followers will have to figure out how this could happen when just one week ago we were constantly being told that we were now one nation and all partisanship was over with.
highhopes on January 28, 2009 at 7:54 PM
Prove it.
Chuck Schick on January 28, 2009 at 7:47 PM
Google: Presidents creates jobs.
getalife on January 28, 2009 at 7:56 PM
Ah! But this makes it a Democrat-only trainwreck. There is no way that this porkfest is going to fix the economy and this means that all responsibility belongs to the Rats and their filthy bastard leader.
highhopes on January 28, 2009 at 7:56 PM
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=30388
So the people behind it can’t prove it will create a single job. Can you, GetALife?
Chuck Schick on January 28, 2009 at 7:56 PM
Next time you act like a 2 year old and say I WON expect retaliation and punisment!
I hope that isn’t why they voted no. I hope they voted no because that is what any conservative would have done, regardless of what Obama said or didn’t say.
Sue on January 28, 2009 at 7:56 PM
According to the “Own It” article linked on Drudge, Rahm had 11 squishy GOP House members over for drinks last night to persuade them.
Should have had the 11 Blue Dogs who deserted the Dems instead.
Wonder if the One is regretting a little taking on Rahm. Being a Dem whip doesn’t help develop a person’s charming side.
Wethal on January 28, 2009 at 7:58 PM
Don’t give up!
$335,000,000 FOR STD PREVENTION IN ECONOMIC STIMULUS BILL??
Do something:
http://www.resistnet.com
LET’S ROLL!
ex-Democrat on January 28, 2009 at 7:58 PM
now slow it down in the senate and show the public line by line whats in there. Paging DR. Coburn!
rob verdi on January 28, 2009 at 7:59 PM
That’s easy: “The evil Republicans are evil and we hate them and they’re bad and and and.”
Jim Treacher on January 28, 2009 at 8:00 PM
We may not have a country by then…this is just the beginning…
btw, remember this date for your grandchildren…provided of course you’re still allowed to speak to them…
jerrytbg on January 28, 2009 at 8:00 PM
Google: Presidents creates jobs.
getalife on January 28, 2009 at 7:56 PM
NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
President Barack Obama has pledged to put America back to work. If only it were that easy.
Records going back to 1948 show that every president has presided over an increase in the absolute number of jobs. But the Bureau of Labor Statistics records, which include the complete terms of every president since Dwight Eisenhower, also lay out a larger problem: The number of jobs created hasn’t always kept pace with the expanding number of people who want to work.
Presidents don’t have much control over either the number of new jobs or the number of people looking for work. The labor force has more than doubled since 1953, driven by factors Eisenhower couldn’t have imagined, like married women looking for work and increased immigration from outside Europe.
Likewise, the number of new jobs created in a year is determined by expansions and contractions in the business cycle — cycles that begin years, even decades, before a president takes office. Economists argue about whether the current recession, and the job losses that come with it, has seeds in low interest rates while Bill Clinton was president, or deregulation under Ronald Reagan.
“Yes, good long-run policies have good effects and bad long-run policies have bad effects,” said Brad DeLong, economics professor at University of California Berkeley. “But the Bush-Clinton comparison is dominated by bad luck for Bush. … He did not make the recession.”
As economic historian Michael Haines of Colgate University puts it, “Would you rather be smart or be lucky? Take lucky.”
Here are some questions and answers about presidents and job creation.
Q: How can the number of jobs have expanded under every president since Eisenhower, when we’ve seen so many periods of high unemployment?
A: Although the total number of jobs has been greater at the end of the term than in the beginning for each president since Eisenhower, many presidents saw the nation suffer months — even years — of job losses. For instance, although Ronald Reagan’s term in office is seen as a time of prosperity, the nation lost jobs for 17 straight months in his first two years in office, 1981 and 1982, as measured by month-over-month changes in non-farm payrolls.
Eisenhower had a different problem. During the years he was president, 1953 to 1961, the number of jobs expanded by more than 4 million, according to BLS statistics, while the labor force expanded by 7 million — meaning there were millions who wanted work and couldn’t find any.
Other presidents were lucky enough to be in office during a period when the number of jobs grew more quickly than the labor force. That was the case for Lyndon B. Johnson, who was in office from 1963 to 1969.
(Johnson credited the chairman of his Council of Economic Advisers, Gardner Ackley, for the economy’s growth, saying in 1968, “When Gardner took the CEA chairmanship more than three years ago, the economy was already setting peacetime records. He has kept the curve climbing, turning a youthful boom into a mature and solid eight-year expansion.”)
Q: Since the number of jobs needs to grow just to keep up with a growing labor force, is there some other way to measure the jobs situation — say, the percentage of the labor force that’s employed?
A: Unlike the ever-higher numbers for the total people in the work force, or the nearly uninterrupted climb of total people employed, the employment-to-population ratio (which economists affectionately call E-Pop) has bounced between 55 percent and 65 percent for 60 years.
Some of its biggest tumbles were in 1971, when Richard Nixon was president; in 1975, under Gerald Ford; and in 1983, under Reagan.
Q: Is there anything presidents can do to create jobs?
A: One thing above all else: Build infrastructure.
“We built a lot of infrastructure in the Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson era,” Haines said. “I’m sure the interstate highway system created an incredible amount of employment. We can do it again.”
Projects such as mass transit systems, bridges and harbor development not only can put people to work, they can increase productivity dramatically. “One of the reasons India lags behind China in its growth is China has better infrastructure,” Haines said.
What’s important is that the projects are built in areas where they can truly contribute to economic growth. He points to West Virginia, which has won federal road construction projects that he jokes have done little besides smooth citizens’ trips to other states.
Q: Can government employment projects like those we saw during the Great Depression create enough jobs to turn the economy around?
A: That’s not clear. Christina Romer, Obama’s designated chairwoman of the Council of Economic Advisers, has written that New Deal spending programs “had little direct expansionary effect on the economy.”
Instead, she points to the government printing more money in the years between 1933 and 1937.
Behind the increase in the money supply was something no president could control: As political tensions rose in Europe before World War II, nervous Europeans sent their gold into the United States. As wealth moved into the country, the monetary expansion that came with it stimulated spending by lowering interest rates and making credit more widely available.
Public Sector does not create sustainable jobs only Private Sector creates SUSTAINABLE jobs.
This is a shortsighted BILL!
xler8bmw on January 28, 2009 at 8:00 PM
I am proud that no Republican voted! I do believe that they are hearing us. Can’t we get a petition going to impeach all the ones that did? I know Petitions are a pain. Just a thought.
sheebe on January 28, 2009 at 8:00 PM
Sue on January 28, 2009 at 7:56 PM
I agree and I doubt it was that but, it may have had some influence. Obama’s ego, lack of integrity and humility will eventually ruin him!
xler8bmw on January 28, 2009 at 8:02 PM
Giggle: People create jobs.
fogw on January 28, 2009 at 8:03 PM
am proud that no Republican voted! I do believe that they are hearing us. Can’t we get a petition going to impeach all the ones that did? I know Petitions are a pain. Just a thought.
sheebe on January 28, 2009 at 8:00 PM
If NO republican voted for it then why the need of a petition for the one’s that did if NONE did?
xler8bmw on January 28, 2009 at 8:03 PM
Of course the MSM will not mention it, but this is a massive failure by Obama in the first test of his much touted (presumed) ability to bring the country together and start a new era of bi-partisanship and kumbaya’s in Washington, specially after his grandstanding visit to the Republican leadership. Imagine what the reporting of this political failure would be if the president was GWB?
neuquenguy on January 28, 2009 at 8:03 PM
If you can get, say, John Murtha’s pork-zombie constituents to recall that old turd, you can do anything. Be my guest. Let me know how that works out for ya.
fiatboomer on January 28, 2009 at 8:03 PM
You mean all none of them? :)
baldilocks on January 28, 2009 at 8:04 PM
Interesting website, ex-Dem, I bookmarked it for later. Thanks for posting that!
califcon on January 28, 2009 at 8:05 PM
I believe shebe is talking about those in the senate that WILL…
jerrytbg on January 28, 2009 at 8:05 PM
If so, I think we oughta just call ‘em.
baldilocks on January 28, 2009 at 8:06 PM
History shows Dem Presidents create jobs.
He probably has President Clinton on his Blackberry.
getalife on January 28, 2009 at 8:06 PM
Full-on retard alert.
baldilocks on January 28, 2009 at 8:06 PM
I can think of nothing more unappealing than having drinks with the bastard that was Obama’s broker with Blago for selling that Senate seat.
highhopes on January 28, 2009 at 8:07 PM
Just a thought.
sheebe on Jan 28,2009 at 8:00PM.
sheebe: Names,names,for the’Great Republican Shame List’:)
canopfor on January 28, 2009 at 8:07 PM
kool baldi…I’m for that…first thing in the mornin’..
jerrytbg on January 28, 2009 at 8:07 PM
What will Clinton’s advice be?
Get yourself a Republican Congress and don’t run $2 trillion deficits, you moron!
Chuck Schick on January 28, 2009 at 8:07 PM
Heath Schuler voted against this garbage which is very interesting in that he comes from an pretty conservative area in NC. If he didn’t like what he saw in the bill I’d bet that he doesn’t want to have to defend it in 18 mos. More blue dogs should have followed Shuler’s lead because unless 2010 is stellar, they could be hung with it – I mean, the campaign ads write themselves.
volnation on January 28, 2009 at 8:08 PM
+1
And, I think the Senators we need to be contacting are the ones on that freakin’ guest list. Time to counteract the schmooze.
califcon on January 28, 2009 at 8:08 PM
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
get your moniker fool!
jerrytbg on January 28, 2009 at 8:10 PM
True that.
But really I’m more pissed that it passed than gleeful that at least it wasn’t our fault.
TheUnrepentantGeek on January 28, 2009 at 8:10 PM
If you want to view the details of this pork sandwich, here’s the text (NOT the pdf).
To find the spending, use the search feature of your browser to search for the $ symbol.
cannonball on January 28, 2009 at 8:11 PM
Thank you, all done.
Cindy Munford on January 28, 2009 at 8:11 PM
Maybe he’ll ask Gore to reinvent the internet. The dot.com boom was the only thing that fueled the economy during the Clinton years.
Clinton had nothing, zero, nada to do with that.
fogw on January 28, 2009 at 8:11 PM
Ability to unify the country? We were told that it was an accomplished fact. That after January 20th, we were no longer a divisive nation and that everybody was willing to fall in behind the filthy bastard in the same way they fell behind Ronald Reagan in 1984. It was, of course, all a fraud and I will be interested to see how the propagandists of the MSM are going to spin this defeat- particularly if the Senate follows suit and has no defections (unlikely with political traitors like McCain and Snowe among the crowd)
highhopes on January 28, 2009 at 8:11 PM
Don’t get yourself a Republican President, Congress and don’t run $2 trillion deficits, you moron!
Chuck Schick on January 28, 2009 at 8:07 PM
Fixed that for ya.
getalife on January 28, 2009 at 8:12 PM
Yeah, wonder if he’s a buddy of ‘Death to Media Hacks’ and…peas in a pod, those two.
AUINSC on January 28, 2009 at 8:12 PM
Just a thought.
sheebe on Jan 28,2009 at 8:00PM.
sheebe: You did mean,in the future,I hope!:)
canopfor on January 28, 2009 at 8:12 PM
Two words, dude: JIMMY CARTER.
fiatboomer on January 28, 2009 at 8:12 PM
Yeah, Clinton created jobs. Well, okay, he had jobs performed on him.
Jim Treacher on January 28, 2009 at 8:13 PM
Yeah, the same place Republican Presidents create them, in the Executive Branch of government.
You’re views on causality are “interesting”, to say the least.
The smartest thing any Democrat has ever done was Bill Clinton being lucky enough to be President during the period when the Internet was just starting to be commercialized.
venividivici on January 28, 2009 at 8:13 PM
Yeah, because we all know how much you hates you a deficit, dude!
AUINSC on January 28, 2009 at 8:13 PM
I plan on emailing, and calling my senator, letting them know loud, and clear, if they vote for this, I won’t vote for them.
Screw me out of money in the name of taxes,that I don’t agree with, don’t want, and didn’t ask for, and I will do what I can to screw them out of a job. Period.
capejasmine on January 28, 2009 at 8:15 PM
I am pleasantly surprised. I actually feel like I’m getting representation. Imagine that.
Cpoy2 on January 28, 2009 at 8:15 PM
I just love it when you stupid libs say clinton did this and clinton did that…when it was a conserv. congress that forced him to…do whatever…
It’s the Congress that controls the purse strings fools…
didn’t they teach civics in HS??????????????
jerrytbg on January 28, 2009 at 8:17 PM
I believe shebe is talking about those in the senate that WILL…
jerrytbg on January 28, 2009 at 8:05 PM
Hopefully they will take the house lead!
xler8bmw on January 28, 2009 at 8:17 PM
I believe so…
jerrytbg on January 28, 2009 at 8:18 PM
Oh hell yeah! Too bad we can’t get the clowns in the senate to do the same.
thekingtut on January 28, 2009 at 8:18 PM
I read somewhere that the stimulus benefits a cable industry crony of his. (Weekly Standard maybe?)
Rae on January 28, 2009 at 8:18 PM
Worst deficit under a GOP president and a GOP Congress was $412 billion.
You guys will be starting out at $2 trillion or so- FIVE TIMES the amount.
That better be a hell of a lot of jobs you create… because a lot are going to have to go away when spending drops and taxes hike to support this disaster.
Chuck Schick on January 28, 2009 at 8:19 PM
History show Dems create jobs.
getalife on Jan 28,2009 at 8:06PM.
getalife:Except for all those Lawyers,that SlickWilly
fired,forcing them to survive on dog food!!!!
canopfor on January 28, 2009 at 8:19 PM
You know what would have been a great stimulus? Letting us all deduct the equity losses on our IRAs and 401ks from our adjusted gross income. Or allowing retired people to decline their distribution from any plan that had lost significant value. THAT would have helped. Not this crap.
califcon on January 28, 2009 at 8:20 PM
Any bets on whether or not this hog gets fatter in the Senate?
Fundamental Fred on January 28, 2009 at 8:21 PM
AUINSC on January 28, 2009 at 8:13 PM
Of course, Obama inherited this mess.
This gop vote was nothing but a game and the real vote comes back from the Senate.
That is when your outrage for all the gop yes votes will be fun to watch.
Have a good evening.
getalife on January 28, 2009 at 8:21 PM
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