The Obama al-Arabiya interview
posted at 10:06 am on January 27, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Barack Obama decided to give al-Arabiya the honor of getting his first one-on-one interview as President of the United States, and while that might have been a good strategic decision, Obama’s performance didn’t cash in on it. Instead of offering both openness and a tough assessment of the problems the Arabs have to solve for themselves, Obama seemed more interested in feelings than national security. And in at least one instance, Obama accepted a strange paradigm from his interviewer that underscored his naiveté:
Q: I want to ask you about the broader Muslim world, but let me – one final thing about the Palestinian-Israeli theater. There are many Palestinians and Israelis who are very frustrated now with the current conditions and they are losing hope, they are disillusioned, and they believe that time is running out on the two-state solution because – mainly because of the settlement activities in Palestinian-occupied territories.
Will it still be possible to see a Palestinian state — and you know the contours of it — within the first Obama administration?
THE PRESIDENT: I think it is possible for us to see a Palestinian state — I’m not going to put a time frame on it — that is contiguous, that allows freedom of movement for its people, that allows for trade with other countries, that allows the creation of businesses and commerce so that people have a better life.
And, look, I think anybody who has studied the region recognizes that the situation for the ordinary Palestinian in many cases has not improved. And the bottom line in all these talks and all these conversations is, is a child in the Palestinian Territories going to be better off? Do they have a future for themselves? And is the child in Israel going to feel confident about his or her safety and security? And if we can keep our focus on making their lives better and look forward, and not simply think about all the conflicts and tragedies of the past, then I think that we have an opportunity to make real progress.
But it is not going to be easy, and that’s why we’ve got George Mitchell going there. This is somebody with extraordinary patience as well as extraordinary skill, and that’s what’s going to be necessary.
I included the entire question and answer to give the entire context of this exchange, in which Obama faltered badly. The main driver of Israeli-Palestinian conflict isn’t settlements, and hasn’t been for some time. It’s the rocket launches coming from Hamas in Gaza, and to a lesser extent from Islamic Jihad there as well. How can we know this? Israel hasn’t had to conduct a military exercise in the West Bank for years, where the settlements are located. On the other hand, they’ve had to conduct several military operations in Gaza in the few years since Ariel Sharon dismantled the settlements there.
Obama should have reminded his interviewer of those facts. That’s a big failure, and a missed opportunity to get the record straight in the Arab world. And there’s more, as Scott Johnson points out:
Q: President Bush framed the war on terror conceptually in a way that was very broad, “war on terror,” and used sometimes certain terminology that the many people — Islamic fascism. You’ve always framed it in a different way, specifically against one group called al Qaeda and their collaborators. And is this one way of –
THE PRESIDENT: I think that you’re making a very important point. And that is that the language we use matters. And what we need to understand is, is that there are extremist organizations — whether Muslim or any other faith in the past — that will use faith as a justification for violence. We cannot paint with a broad brush a faith as a consequence of the violence that is done in that faith’s name.
And so you will I think see our administration be very clear in distinguishing between organizations like al Qaeda — that espouse violence, espouse terror and act on it — and people who may disagree with my administration and certain actions, or may have a particular viewpoint in terms of how their countries should develop. We can have legitimate disagreements but still be respectful. I cannot respect terrorist organizations that would kill innocent civilians and we will hunt them down.
But to the broader Muslim world what we are going to be offering is a hand of friendship.
Again, the naiveté comes through clearly in this exchange. The terrorist organizations themselves have a wide base of support among Muslims in the Arab world, as well as with the Iranian government, if we include Hamas and Hezbollah. Obama makes al-Qaeda, Hamas, and Hezbollah sound like the Baader-Meinhofs or the tax-resister militias here in the US. They’re not. They’re well-funded and strongly supported, at least until that support starts costing people more than they’d like. Terrorism doesn’t begin and end with AQ at all, and if Obama doesn’t understand that, then he’s extremely ill-prepared for his task in the next four years of stopping terrorists, a task at which Bush succeeded after 9/11.
Unlike some others, I didn’t mind Obama’s decision to grant al-Arabiya this honor. Obama has a great deal of popularity in the Muslim world, and that can be a great asset to the US if used properly. Obama could have taken the opportunity to explain some hard truths while extending the hand of friendship. Instead, he took the opportunity to pander.










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How? Because he says he is not? You know how to tell when Obama is lying?
He is talking – I cannot believe a word this moron says. With Bush it was 2 steps forward and one step back. With Obama it’s 10 steps back and then 10 steps back. In a few hours Obama will have been President for one week. I cannot remember when one man did so much to unravel what America stands for in such a short period of time. God – only 207 more weeks to go.
izoneguy on January 27, 2009 at 10:57 AM
won’t happen…iran is in for an ugly surprise…
right4life on January 27, 2009 at 10:57 AM
He’s sending a message to Jews everywhere, especially in Israel: you are no longer under America’s protection.
This is beyond low.
stonemeister on January 27, 2009 at 10:58 AM
Let me not let this load of BS go unchallenged. The American soldiers killed in Afghanistan and Iraq were there to do exactly what our military is supposed to do. They were protecting American citizens and soil from attacks from enemies wishing to kill, maim and destroy our people and our way of life. The location was not more convenient to them but to us.
Jvette on January 27, 2009 at 11:00 AM
Did you not even read Ed’s comparison of the West Bank and Gaza in terms of number of Jewish settlements vs number of military actions? Does that mean nothing to you? How can there be any peace or a two country solution when Hamas et al break every promise they make? Their charter is very clear,…elimination of Israel. You can’t negotiate in good faith with liars.
a capella on January 27, 2009 at 11:01 AM
The only thing?..(whatever)
When Barry brings more attacks here, you’ll wish a strong man like President Bush was in office.
President Bush did so much more, maybe in time you, and others like you will come to recognize that.
christene on January 27, 2009 at 11:01 AM
Obama is a naive fool. For a long time I assumed he knew he was not ready for the presidency. I think he put his name in the hat to get it out there for 2012 or 2016. But somewhere along the campaign trail I sense he began to buy all the media myths about himself. Worse yet, he started believing his own b.s.
God help us all.
flyfisher on January 27, 2009 at 11:05 AM
Let’s expand this topic. The main purpose of the war in Iraq was to move the focus of terrorist attacks from US soil to Iraq. And it worked! Now that it’s over in Iraq, we can use the same (modified) model to bring the terrorists to Afghanistan, then Iran, then the horn of Africa.
Citizens of Islamic countries are kind of slow, but eventually they will see democratic republics in the neighborhood being established, and say “hey, I want one too! I’d like to be free, to be allowed to vote for my representative, to share in the free market”. And self-determination is the Islam killer, ending the cultist slavery of the mind.
stonemeister on January 27, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Did he really say “contiguous” Palestinian State?
forest on January 27, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Naive is right. Iran wants Hamas to continue to engage Israel so Israel won’t take out Iran’s nukes. Hamas ambushed and IDF convoy this morning.
Blake on January 27, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Ha! He was too busy working out and playing hoops to get the Daily Briefings, so he missed the one about Islamic fascists wanting to conquer the world and force all the infidels into complete submission.
conservative pilgrim on January 27, 2009 at 11:07 AM
WHAT BUSH WOULD HAVE SAID:
I think that you’re making a very important point. And that is that the language we use matters. And what we need to understand is, is that there are extremist organizations — whether Muslim or any other faith in the past — that will use faith as a justification for violence. We cannot paint with a broad brush a faith as a consequence of the violence that is done in that faith’s name.terrorist organizationsAnd so you will I think see our administration be very clear in distinguishing between organizations like al Qaeda — that espouse violence, espouse terror and act on it — and people who may disagree with my administration and certain actions, or may have a particular viewpoint in terms of how their countries should develop. We can have legitimate disagreements but still be respectful. I cannot respect
that would kill innocent civilians andwe will hunt them down.But to the broader Muslim world what we are going to be offering is a hand of friendship.BohicaTwentyTwo on January 27, 2009 at 11:08 AM
Im not insisting that Obama is definitely going to go the route I outlined. It happens to be the best course of action, feint a friendly ear while preparing to lay the ultimate smackdown…but I do not insist that Obama IS going to do that. All i said is that its possible, given the situation thus far…i even prefaced my statement by saying the fears expressed here could very well come true…you’re attacking me without even knowing what i said. Its totally possible Obama is ushering a new era of american complacency…but its not his only option, and thus i wont delve into the “ZOOOOMG ISRAELS DEAD WE’RE ALL SCREWED” stuff that some people here are getting into not even a month into this guys presidency.
ernesto on January 27, 2009 at 11:08 AM
Ogabe will create a peace committee that will of course include Carter, and this wonderful committee will find many peaceful ways for Israel to be carved up, shattered and disarmed.
First call to a terrorist leader, first tv interview to an arab network; first concession will be to Israel’s enemies.
Bishop on January 27, 2009 at 11:09 AM
Forget a contiguous Palestine, I want a contiguous US so I can drive to Hawaii. ZerO is working on that sea level thing already, isn’t he?
Maquis on January 27, 2009 at 11:10 AM
True.
I wonder if someone from the President’s cabinet has ever opposed the incumbent during the 2nd-term’s election?
I think she’ll run against him in 2012. I’m serious.
Oink on January 27, 2009 at 11:10 AM
They don’t have a “right of return” any more than Germans have a right to return to East Prussia. The palestinians participated in a war of annihilation against the Jews in 1948 and they lost – tough crap for them.
forest on January 27, 2009 at 11:10 AM
Forget that. I’m all for a three state solution.
Count to 10 on January 27, 2009 at 11:11 AM
You think anyone in the middle east is smelling
weaknessblood in the water?Yeah, me too.
JeffinOrlando on January 27, 2009 at 11:12 AM
After the election, it was only a mater of how long they would wait to act.
Count to 10 on January 27, 2009 at 11:15 AM
At the rate the idiot messiah is going, there won’t be anything left in 2012. That credit crisis scare we all had back in October will look like child’s play compared to what his insane policies are going to bring.
progressoverpeace on January 27, 2009 at 11:15 AM
ernesto on January 27, 2009 at 11:08 AM
I know exactly what you said, but the premise that Ogabe has some grand plan to “smackdown” the muslim/arab world is a joke; his own words, his own campaign slogans, his own rhetoric ALL point the other direction.
The smartest guy in the room panders to the arabs by saying that Palestine will come true, then later he unworks all of that by selling Israel all the military hardware it desires and telling the arabs “Oh well”?
Laughable.
Bishop on January 27, 2009 at 11:16 AM
Maquis on January 27, 2009 at 11:10 AM
Have to invade Canada first and open a corridor to Alaska.
Bishop on January 27, 2009 at 11:19 AM
Ancient Egypt, Philistines, Assyrian Empire,Babylonian, Persian, Greek, Roman, Byzantine, Crusaders, Spanish Empire,Nazi Germany, Soviet Union,… They said the same thing.
Need I say more.
Israel will never fall.
christene on January 27, 2009 at 11:20 AM
About as laughable as Iran’s proxies destroying israel…an assumption many here take as a matter of fact. Im just giving the guy the benefit of the doubt.
ernesto on January 27, 2009 at 11:20 AM
American Jews are majority secular and liberal. They voted for Obama because he’s a liberal and because he’s black. They have little, if anything to do with Judaism, the religion. That’s why it seems confusing. “Jews” vote for Dems and libs for the same reasons anyone else does–stupidity, fear of
Same with blacks. They’re largely more conservative and more religious than average libs and Dems. Yet they vote Dem and Obama for race reasons, and ignore the Dems assaults on religion and traditional values.
Both groups vote against what we see as their own self-interests. I chalk it up to stupidity. You know the old saying, “you can lead a horse to water…”
JiangxiDad on January 27, 2009 at 11:22 AM
I ask once again to the 80% of Jews who voted for this man…..what the hell is the matter with you people?
angryed on January 27, 2009 at 10:57 AM
*
This has never been explained to my satisfaction. Puzzling.
marklmail on January 27, 2009 at 11:23 AM
Video is here
It includes a Obama commercial at the front of the video.
William Amos on January 27, 2009 at 11:24 AM
As our old friend St.Olaf used to say, “geo-political” Israel can indeed fall. That’s not the same as saying the people or the religion can be totally extinguished, but certainly Israel the independent nation can fall. It already has, several times. So while I trust that God watches over us, I don’t think he intends to do all the heavy lifting.
JiangxiDad on January 27, 2009 at 11:25 AM
All I hear is Neville Chamberlain redux.
Captain Ed is correct, its not the fact that he was doing this interview that is objectionable its the fact that he blew an important opportunity to establish himself as the President of the United States, instead he came off as another naive, liberal, wonk…a weak link. Now that is objectionable.
stu.b.con on January 27, 2009 at 11:26 AM
Exactly! And if believing that marks me as an idiotic right-wing Christian, so be it.
flyfisher on January 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM
That or annex Canada. Maybe that’s where the other seven states are…
Maquis on January 27, 2009 at 11:29 AM
About as laughable as Iran’s proxies destroying israel…an assumption many here take as a matter of fact. Im just giving the guy the benefit of the doubt.
ernesto on January 27, 2009 at 11:20 AM
I’m not one of them, Israel can handle Hez and Hamas, it’s the nature of Ogabe’s rhetoric in regards to Israel which worries me. If it is a smokescreen then it is a dangerous maneuver for everyone.
If the parties who demand Palestinian statehood see an opening, they will make full use of it, with all the child-corpses they can muster to create the image of Israeli brutality and intransigence.
Bishop on January 27, 2009 at 11:30 AM
I appreciate the thought. I hope Israel gets its sh!t together and realizes what it has to do. However, in those other cases (when Israel had existed) Jews survived, but Israel fell.
progressoverpeace on January 27, 2009 at 11:33 AM
That or annex Canada. Maybe that’s where the other seven states are…
Maquis on January 27, 2009 at 11:29 AM
NO BLOOD FOR CANADIAN BACON!
Bishop on January 27, 2009 at 11:33 AM
Dripping with the nuance that this egomaniac speaks for the people of the United States, but is so far above actually being one himself.
Hening on January 27, 2009 at 11:33 AM
What he says and what he does are two different things.
Ed you make the mistake alot of people do with Obama, you assume his words are intented for reasonable, informed people. They are not. His audience is the Arab world, and reason is lost on them for the most part. If his pandering helps to convert or calm some of these fanatics, I’m all for it. Pander away if it gets results.
But our actions should not be pandering. Since Obama is well versed at saying one thing and doing another, this shouldn’t be a problem.
We’ll just have to wait and see what he does, and that’s a wild card.
commodore on January 27, 2009 at 11:33 AM
christene on January 27, 2009 at 11:20 AM
Nice sentiment but the Assyrians didn’t have nuclear weapons.
Bishop on January 27, 2009 at 11:34 AM
I agree with JiangxiDad, too. While I believe the Jews have a God-given right to that land, there is no guarantee the permanent inheritance has already begun. They may lose the land and be forced to retake it all over again in another era. That said, I rather doubt it. I do not believe we’ll see the end of the Israeli state in our lifetimes, if ever. However, if they do indeed lose their land there will be unimaginable bloodshed between now and the time that occurs.
flyfisher on January 27, 2009 at 11:34 AM
Like when Kahn inches up to the enterprise with shields down, only to fire and raise shields when he’s within striking distance.
I think earnesto makes a good point, though I’m not sure this is the best analogy. But I will use another Star Trek reference: Only Nixon can go to China.
Or, in this case, only a black guy with a Muslim name can get tough with Palestine AND get them to go along with his plan.
I think Obama is trying to show he’s truly going to work for a peaceful Palestinian state. He’s establishing right now that he’s someone they can trust has their best interests at heart. Once he does that, he can get tough with them AND produce results.
Tom_Shipley on January 27, 2009 at 11:34 AM
OF course Pete Stark’s Constituents think Israel is the root of all the evil in the Middle East
And Obama is the solution to all of lifes problems.
William Amos on January 27, 2009 at 11:35 AM
My eyes will not be here to see it. I 100% believe that Israel will overcome, she already has..: o)
DITTO!…I’m a proud Christian Conservative…: o )
christene on January 27, 2009 at 11:35 AM
How could this Fool be any more stupid than he is?
notagool on January 27, 2009 at 11:36 AM
Diplomacy. Ohhh, scary!
okonkolo on January 27, 2009 at 11:36 AM
I see our idiot Boy King there also fell back on BDS, as it’s apparently hard-wired into his little pea-brain at this point. His response in the second exchange says that the terms “war on terror” and war on “Islamic fascism” were somehow directed at islam in general, but of course The One will fix that vast travesty of justice! This can only be true if Obama thinks that ALL muslims are terrorists and/or fascists, which completely discounts his actual commentary.
Typical lefty nonsense, there. They dont’ care about logic, what matters is whether or not they HATE properly.
commenter on January 27, 2009 at 11:37 AM
FIFY
Kafir on January 27, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Don’t expect The ONE to do anything but pander. I appreciate the opportunity he tried to take advantage of but I can promise he will consistently fall short in these areas. He thinks he can change the world by being liked. WRONG!
JDH on January 27, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Since Sharon forced out the Jewish Gazan settlers, there has been an appearance that Israel as a country was beginning a slow decline. Weak political leadership and the incessant barrage of propaganda from European countries with active, vocal Muslim segments are both to blame. I get the sense of a shrinking nationalism in Israel. Terror attacks have taken their toll. What is their birthrate?
a capella on January 27, 2009 at 11:40 AM
lol.
a capella on January 27, 2009 at 11:42 AM
Diplomacy. Ohhh, scary!
okonkolo on January 27, 2009 at 11:36 AM
It’s not the diplomacy, it’s the message he’s sending.
Got it now, Mr. Chamberlain?
Bishop on January 27, 2009 at 11:42 AM
Much has been made of Israel’s blockade of Gaza. But isn’t Egypt at the other end? Why isn’t Hamas requesting aid and assistance from a fellow Muslim country?
Or is this simply a rhetorical question?
March Hare on January 27, 2009 at 11:43 AM
“Unimaginable” is an apt description, I think. If Israel goes, the jihad will really be on, not to mention the total chaos that will erupt in the middle east (and spread) as they no longer have Israel to concentrate on. Many Westerners don’t understand how stabilizing a force Israel is.
And these people don’t think the idiot messiah would ever do anything to stop them … and they’re correct.
progressoverpeace on January 27, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Only if he uses his tongue.
csdeven on January 27, 2009 at 11:44 AM
From CNN just a few days ago. I want my teen son to die as a Hamas Martyr
Im sure talking to them will make the whole thing better.
Obama is in over his head already.
William Amos on January 27, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Obama’s ignorance knows no bounds. But what a shocka that he blames Israel first.
We can only hope that the Jewish community (those who aren’t hard left academics) take notice and protest loudly. Between this issue, GITMO, and his idiotic
stimulusprofligate spending bill he’s off to an horrendous start.Buy Danish on January 27, 2009 at 11:46 AM
2.9 kids/female. The only bright spot. This was partially a result of the terror. Israelis say that they have 2 kids, plus one, just in case. Graveyard humor.
progressoverpeace on January 27, 2009 at 11:46 AM
It’s great how these dim bulbs already are trying to diminish this great accomplishment of Bush’s to help lessen the disappointment when the inevitable attack presents itself here in the US during Obama’s administration. It will come, and we will have his stupid, naive actions to blame. If they took Hollywood and Washington out first, well, silver linings……
Maura O on January 27, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Speaking of naive.
Jvette on January 27, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Offer a hand, and they cut it off. What an IDIOT!
OINK:
I’m there! I have been saying this for months. WE NEED TO MARCH, SIT IN, PROTEST,
BREAK WINDOWS, WE NEED TO SHOW THE IDIOTS IN WASHINGTON< THAT WE ARE READY TO OVERTHROW THIS GOVERNMNET AS OUR FOREFATHERS DID BRITAIN!Mercy4Me on January 27, 2009 at 11:53 AM
as foretold, israel fell several times…but as foretold, it won’t fall this time…and yeah HE will do the heavy lifting…as iran will find out, the hard way…
right4life on January 27, 2009 at 11:54 AM
I think. If Israel goes, the jihad will really be on
The Jihadis would need to come from Africa or Indonesia then, because most of the middle east would be a beautiful lake of glass.
There is a reason that the arab/muslim hordes haven’t swamped the Israelis with everything they’ve got, and that reason rhymes with “mukes”.
Bishop on January 27, 2009 at 11:55 AM
Tom,
The reason that only Nixon could go to China was that he was the last person you’d expect to go to China, being as rabidly anti-Communist as he was. If we were to apply this to Obama, it would be something like “Only Obama can nuke Iran” or something like that. Pandering to our enemies, on the other hand, is something I fully expect Obama to do.
Kafir on January 27, 2009 at 11:56 AM
Speaking of naive.
Calling someone naive in political discourse — especially coming from someone who has no discernable expertise in the area in questions, is about the lowest form of response there is.
It assumes a stance of having superior knowledge or insight into the situation. I’ll be the first to admit, I’m commenting from afar on this. I’m just giving my opinion. What this means as I see it.
Now, you’re free to disagree with me. But, if you do, I would at least expect you to give a reasoned reply of why you do.
Simply stating “speaking of naive” tells me you don’t have a good response and you’re leeching off the implied superiority that comes off of calling someone naive. It’s the height of laziness.
If you think I’m wrong, be a man and say why.
Tom_Shipley on January 27, 2009 at 11:56 AM
Would it have killed Obama to get over himself and put the liberation of Iraq in a positive light?
Dancing around the subject will come across as a tacit admission of guilt and while that may be very nice for Obama, it will do nothing for America´s image.
He could have said that ultimately, we did something that gave Iraqis a hope (isn´t that his favorite theme?) for a better future that did not exist before. There was a chance to remind Muslims that many of those “innocent civilians” he keeps mentioning were Iraqis who were killed by terrorists while our soldiers worked to defend them.
But it would have taken a bigger man to say that. Iraq is still “Bush´s war” and it seems for Obama, nothing of value came before him.
el gordo on January 27, 2009 at 11:58 AM
Ed – You’re making the assumption that Obama himself understands these “hard truths”. You see it as a missed opportunity for him and as him pandering. I don’t see that at all. Taken into context with his entire political career and from whom he has received his mentoring during his political career (all people sympathetic to “Palestine” and Muslims and terrorists and all haters of Israel), I see this as him being who he is and expressing his beliefs. I would be glad if this were simply pandering. I don’t think it is pandering at all. I think this is what he believes. Which is much, much more dangerous than simply pandering.
Michael in MI on January 27, 2009 at 11:58 AM
Kafir on January 27, 2009 at 11:56 AM
Well, I’m coming from the Palestinian perspective here, which is why I said:
Or, in this case, only a black guy with a Muslim name can get tough with Palestine AND get them to go along with his plan.
To put it another way, only Obama can get Palestinians to work with Israel. Palestinians are less likely to see Obama as merely being a tool for Israel.
I think Palestinians will see Obama as their best shot to get a fair shake in this “peace process”. He’ll have more leeway in getting them to give concessions.
Tom_Shipley on January 27, 2009 at 12:01 PM
Well said r4l. I couldn’t come up with the words so thnx.
thomasaur on January 27, 2009 at 12:02 PM
“What I told him is start by listening, because all too often the United States starts by dictating,” Obama told the interviewer.
We are totally screwed. Obama isn’t even on our side.
Alana on January 27, 2009 at 12:05 PM
That deterrence is dying quickly. The arabs don’t believe that Israel would actually use their nukes. Every time Israel fights, these days, it only makes the arabs believe that Israel doesn’t really have the will to survive (from the arab point of view). What happened in Europe this last time has really got them ginned up, also, since Europe made it clear that it is an arab ally and would cheer the destruction of Israel. As far as the arabs see, it’s all clear for a final push on Israel, now.
progressoverpeace on January 27, 2009 at 12:06 PM
cannot wait for O’Dummy to call up ahmadinedjad and tell him, in no unceratain terms to “be respectful!” In other news, Iran has enough enriched uranium to make a nuclear bomb “later this year”.
runner on January 27, 2009 at 12:09 PM
Many seem to be thinking that way. There’s the Boston Tea Party 2009. Many have already mailed tea bags to Congress. But others who aren’t as vocal are preparing themselves because they sense something big is coming. The activity in local gun shops and at the gun counters of large retailers is something I’ve never seen before. People are hoping mad and growing more angry by the day. I believe there are millions who are unwilling to sit back and accept quietly tyranny. And those millions are waking up.
flyfisher on January 27, 2009 at 12:13 PM
Ja’rod, father of Duras, you have already been found to be a traitor; please do not attempt to conflate the facts again. The council has read the historical records. The Israelis’ chief obstacle to peace is the Arab doctrine that disallows the Israeli’s right of return/right to exist.
The commander has hereby ordered you to read a book or three during your life sentence in the ice-moon prison camp of Rura Penthe. Which is also unaffected by the false religion of “man-made global warming”.
batterup on January 27, 2009 at 12:13 PM
Yep. Obama’s sounding like so many college students of my past, including myself. Fortunately, I got to experience the real world and woke up. Wonder if Obama will ever get to have that same experience?
misslizzi on January 27, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Ed, while true, the Israeli government do not accept that version of events. Olmert et al claim that the withdrawal from Gaza has made Israel safer and Obama would be undermining them politically by introducing a ‘counter-narrative’ out of his hat on Al-Arabiya.
aengus on January 27, 2009 at 12:15 PM
what !!! they were not given a fair shake ?!! Oslo, Camp David and everything in between – that was not a fair shake ?! (scumbag and terrorist) arafat (may he rot in hell)being invited to the White House more than any other “leader” was not a fair shake ? Offering them everything they asked for was not a fair shake ? My friend, you are indeed naive
runner on January 27, 2009 at 12:17 PM
Might as well get a great Olmertism in here:
“We are tired of fighting, we are tired of being courageous, we are tired of winning, we are tired of defeating our enemies, we want that we will be able to live in an entirely different environment of relations with our enemies.”
Israel is certainly getting a different “environment of relations”.
This is one of the saddest situations I have ever seen in my life.
progressoverpeace on January 27, 2009 at 12:20 PM
Naive because this statement could have been about Clinton. Clinton’s plan for peace was for Israel to make every concession and Palestinians to make none except quit attacking Israeli citizens. Clinton’s plan was rejected just as anything PBO offers will be rejected if it does not include the complete capitulation and destruction of Israel.
Naive to think that at any time PBO will “get tough” or “produce” results. There is no example you can give of anything PBO has done or said that would lead one to believe that he will do either.
I do not claim superior knowledge or insight, merely an opinion as to your comments which I find to be naive given the history of the region, the past actions of the Palestinians and the habit of PBO to vote “present” instead of taking a solid stance and living with the consequence.
Jvette on January 27, 2009 at 12:22 PM
My first thought. She is already being marginalized. We know Condi would have already been over there trying to mediate.
I believe she will operate this way until she is canned or quits.
She’ll travel at her convenience, no one else’s.
FireBlogger on January 27, 2009 at 12:23 PM
Who speaks for the Palestinians? Who gives these concessions? They have no central government and history tells us they break every promise they make. Why is it different now? How will Hamas or Fatah control their radicals? Will they change their charter regarding Israel? If they do, can it be believed? You act like Iran isn’t pulling the strings here.
a capella on January 27, 2009 at 12:25 PM
The Obama Doctrine has failed before it even started.
William Amos on January 27, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Yes:
“I think it is possible for us to see a Palestinian state – I’m not going to put a time frame on it – that is contiguous,” the president told Al Arabiya.
Someone ought to tell him about Jordan- the contiguous Palestinian state.
That is entirely possible – “concessions” code for “you give me your stuff I give you nothing.”
Tom your assertion is best supported by Obama’s statement in the interview:
(bold mine)
“Now, Israel is a strong ally of the United States. They will not stop being a strong ally of the United States. And I will continue to believe that Israel’s security is paramount. But I also believe that there are Israelis who recognize that it is important to achieve peace. They will be willing to make sacrifices if the time is appropriate and if there is serious partnership on the other side.”
He knows enough history to know that Israel has traded away much under the guise of attaining security… and he is counting on the current Israeli government to do the same.
batterup on January 27, 2009 at 12:28 PM
progressoverpeace,
You are I believe very critical of parliamentary systems. Israel’s parliamentary system is the most dysfunctional among first-world countries. Olmert, after losing his support in parliament, should have left office a long time ago. Olmert resigned in September and yet carries on as interim Prime Minister until at least February. Thus by allowing Olmert to remain in office Israel has nullified the main advantage that characterizes a parliamentary system – the political accountability of the Prime Minister.
aengus on January 27, 2009 at 12:29 PM
Elections in a couple of weeks. Bibi is looking good so far. I am guardedly optimistic, but the Iranian clock is ticking and Obama is an obstacle to correcting that.
a capella on January 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM
Jvette on January 27, 2009 at 12:22 PM
I still don’t know where you get naive from, especially in light of the fact that after 8 years of the Bush administration’s lack of diplomacy, we’re further away from peace than we’ve been in a long time.
Signing something like the Oslo Accords does not mean everything will suddenly be fine. They were a step in a LONG process. Our lack of diplomatic efforts and Hamas’ victory in 2006, were big obstacles for the path set forth by the Oslo Accords.
This is going to be a long and slow process. Hopefully, Obama’s administration can set the groundwork for subsequent administrations to bring about a lasting peace.
Tom_Shipley on January 27, 2009 at 12:31 PM
And still they have no peace. The only peace Hamas wants them to have is the kind that is followed by the words, “rest in”.
Jvette on January 27, 2009 at 12:32 PM
I was referring to concessions on the Palestinian’s part.
Tom_Shipley on January 27, 2009 at 12:32 PM
Very true, but Olmert had a coalition and they were all scared of never getting back into the Knesset if they brought the government down after the Lebanon war. I blame Israelis, though, for not marching on Jerusalem and demanding it.
We’ll see how they do in this election. The right is going to gain a lot, and it seems that Lieberman is shooting up in the polls. They had better put a party in that knows that Israel is going to have to go it alone for a while – and is going to have to start fighting, for real.
progressoverpeace on January 27, 2009 at 12:33 PM
I have my fingers crossed. The European reaction to Gaza really threw a lot of Israelis. They were stunned and terrified. I had leftist friends of mine sending me videos of Hamas training kids. Unfortunately, they were still being leftists, trying to appeal to the UN to declare Hamas child abusers … Oh well.
progressoverpeace on January 27, 2009 at 12:36 PM
They have nothing, other than what Israel has given them. What are they going to “concede”? Please be specific.
progressoverpeace on January 27, 2009 at 12:38 PM
And we aren’t in a religious war? Motor-Mouth linking all those places together is probably the most truthful thing he’s said since assuming the Presidency. But he forgot Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Israel, and Iraq. While there’s a Christian or a Jew breathing in any of those places, the extremists will continue targeting us.
unclesmrgol on January 27, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Standard boilerplate from every new administration. Results are always the same. In this case, results will be worse. How many pro Israel advisors are in the new group of presidential appointees? How many pro Arab?
a capella on January 27, 2009 at 12:41 PM
Me too. I’d also hope that if Netanyahu wins the Israeli media will have enough sense to not try and sabotage his every move like they did the last time he was Prime Minister.
I think the mistake most people make in this regard is that they assume that the European Union is capitulating to tyranny. To my mind the European Union is itself the tyranny and the Islamisation follows on from that as secondary.
aengus on January 27, 2009 at 12:42 PM
Now that’s a reasonable timetable.
okonkolo on January 27, 2009 at 12:42 PM
Peace is simple. Stop attacking, stop sending suicide bombers, stop lobbing rockets into Israel. Come to the table with an honest intent to negotiate conditions of co-existence that recognizes the rights of Israel as well as those of the Palestinians. Israel has shown they will sacrifice, they have honored their word by leaving Gaza. Hamas has given nothing, honored nothing and has no intention of giving in.
After the election, they tested Obama by violating the cease fire. Obama’s words and actions since have shown that he will be a pawn for them.
Jvette on January 27, 2009 at 12:44 PM
I fully agree.
progressoverpeace on January 27, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Standard boilerplate from every new administration.
yeah, but what else can you do?
Results are always the same. In this case, results will be worse.
Considering the situation in Gaza when Bush’s administration ended, that’ll be hard to do.
Tom_Shipley on January 27, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Why is everyone surprised
Remember what people said about him before the election? “Consort of terrorists” ring any bells?
So he hasn’t a clue about national security will abandon Isreal now (and Taiwan later). We knew that – this just confirms the obvious.
– besides you know how the palistinian question will be resolved? When an Iranian nuke headed for Tel Aviv goes about thirty miles off course…
Paul Murphy on January 27, 2009 at 12:47 PM
this usually comes from those who deny the great achievements Bush made in the Middle East. Bush’s approach to diplomacy was from the position of strength, not weakness as is common with Democrat administrations. One of his greatest diplomatic achievements was to drop arafat and never see or speak that lying sack of crap, and to state in no uncertain terms that philistines need to get new leadership. Which they did.
runner on January 27, 2009 at 12:49 PM
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