Pure Nazism: Muslim cleric celebrates the Holocaust on Egyptian TV
posted at 7:45 pm on January 27, 2009 by Allahpundit
Via LGF, a reminder that the Holocaust coin has two sides in the Middle East: Denialism and, paradoxically, embrace. Note how preoccupied this filthbag is with the concept of humiliation. Even as scenes of mass murder roll by, he thrills most of all to the degradation involved — a Jewish woman forced to kiss a Nazi guard’s hand, a Jewish man weeping in despair.
How often do I explicitly ask you to watch an entire clip, especially one this long? I’m asking this time. If Mubarak’s dictatorship ever falls, this is the sort of mentality that will replace it.
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So, you think it would be fine if all Muslims were slaughtered by another Hitler? Or if Hitler, instead of killing the Jews, killed Muslims?
You’d be okay with that?
You’re no different than this sick person on the tape.
Really, get some help soon.
SteveMG on January 27, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Well, this is interesting.
We have someone posting that it would have been better if Hitler had killed Muslims.
That person is appropriately banned and we have people upset not over the poster advocating the slaughter of women and children but upset over the banning.
Wow, we have some sick people on this blog.
SteveMG on January 27, 2009 at 9:59 PM
“The Jews never went from the bottom up.”
What towering ignorance.
WHERE THE HELL DO YOU THINK THEY ALWAYS FSKING START?
They always start at the bottom. They always get shoved into a corner.
Then they beat you, you sodden excuse for a thinking human being. They beat you at your game. Time after fsking time. You shove them into “undesirable” trades like usury, thinking that they will be crippled by the lack of opportunity. Then they make it work. They do such a damned good job at allocating scare resources to where they are best used that you become dependent on them.
And you hate them for it.
Damn you. Damn you to hell, you agent of Satan.
The LORD will protect his people. He always has. He always will. Launch your rockets, your fiery darts of hatred. The LORD will see to His people. Damn you all.
spmat on January 27, 2009 at 10:01 PM
This is EXACTLY WHY
Americans must prepare to defend their own families
For obama and pelozi are probably PAYING for this TV station out of american taxpayer dollars..
If you are so foolish to think obama can just
sit down and share his infinite Legal wisdom with
these CUTTHROATS
You can sit there waiting for them to slice your head off
Me im getting my Guns..
jcila on January 27, 2009 at 10:03 PM
PBS right now is airing (in my area, anyway) Surviving Auschwitz: Children of the Shoah
Ugly on January 27, 2009 at 10:04 PM
Crazy ol’ Allah and his devil-spawn are at it again.
Grafted on January 27, 2009 at 10:05 PM
YOu dont get it do you liberals
you really dont listen
Even when osama bin laden has been plotting for years to kill 4 million americans and has
TOLD you on TV
you still wont believe
They are telling you they are going to KILL YOU..
And you wont believe
They are planning massive slaughter of the Jews
And you wont believe
You liberals and ALL democrats
Are RIPE FOR THE ONCOMMING SLAUGHTER
And i am so sorry but to our jewish brothers
i TELL you
Dont TRUST ANY liberals
RUN…
jcila on January 27, 2009 at 10:05 PM
Quoth cleric dude,”Compare Gaza to the images of the streets of Berlin back then.”
And your point, cleric dude, is…?
shuzilla on January 27, 2009 at 10:14 PM
“Look at what Israel is doing to them [in 1944].” A neat trick considering Israel was founded in 1948. This guy is so full of shite that the whites of his eyes are turning brown. He doesn’t know what he is looking at. He thinks the Jews are being “buried alive by those they oppressed,” when in fact it was the German prisoners of war, former staff of the camps, who were being forced to do this horrific work by [duh duh daaaahhhhhh!] the Great Satan’s liberating forces. He’ll probably go home and see his wife having coffee with the lady next door–decide that lady is his uncle–and have his wife and uncle drawn and quartered in the village square. He’s not just a moron, he’s someone who has wilfully made himself into a moron, by constantly lying about what his own eyes are seeing. I had to turn it off. I couldn’t listen to his filthy slandering voice blithely spewing such lies about these holy martyrs, grandparents and parents of so many Jews in America. I hope there’s a Predator drone flying over his head someday.
You know the joke “What’s the last thing that goes through mind of a bug as it hits the windshield? Sh*t.” Put his name in place of the bug.
smellthecoffee on January 27, 2009 at 10:17 PM
That has to be the single most vile, disgusting video I have ever seen.
Connie on January 27, 2009 at 10:25 PM
I assumed he was being sarcastic, just as I assume that you are just yet another bedwetting liberal looking to stifle speech. And really, I’m surprised that AP would buy into your squishy self-righteous nonsense. Oy. And, just for the record, because I sure wouldn’t want to offend you or AP, for fear of losing my posting privileges, I DO NOT believe that ALL Muslims should be “liquidated” (as the Wizard of Oz put it). Duh.
argos on January 27, 2009 at 10:28 PM
Oh that’s really pretty mild. You should see the ones of him preaching to the faithful at the Mosque.
Aleph on January 27, 2009 at 10:30 PM
Free speech doesn’t apply to a blog. AP and Ed control what is posted here and who gets to post. There is no right to post whatever one wants.
I have no power to “stifle” speech at this site. I can only request that extreme and hate-filled posters be banned.
Take your objection up with AP.
SteveMG on January 27, 2009 at 10:36 PM
Listen to Steve, he has self-righteousness he can spin you
Self-righteousness to linger within you
Close your eyes and hear his bell
He’ll sing you stories of the indignation that fills he
And the indignations that will be
For, you see, indignation is one thing he does well
PercyB on January 27, 2009 at 10:42 PM
Can we make this guy our HA minstrel?
Love this stuff.
blatantblue on January 27, 2009 at 10:43 PM
Wow, just wow. This is so over-the-top and ass-backwards, it surely must be a parody of some kind. I can’t believe that (1) this moron gets air time and (2) people believe this nutjob.
Chuckie on January 27, 2009 at 10:44 PM
Hey that’s OK, if our Pres. has such respect for the Muslim sentiments then by golly we should too.
Hey, how bout that Holocaust?
Speakup on January 27, 2009 at 10:44 PM
Great. A new freedom of speech oppressive bleeding heart in the group. The Islamists kill their own children and rape their own women.
Big John on January 27, 2009 at 10:45 PM
Charles Krauthammer, are you listening?
Connie on January 27, 2009 at 10:46 PM
Do you think that evil is a real thing?
spmat on January 27, 2009 at 10:46 PM
Right, I’m self-righteous because I think someone who said that Hitler targeted the wrong religion, i.e., Jews instead of Muslims, should be banned.
You think it’s okay to advocate such views? Fine. Get a blog and go to it.
Obviously, AP disagrees about allowing such views on this blog.
SteveMG on January 27, 2009 at 10:46 PM
I don’t mind Kraut. He at least stays agnostic and admits he doesn’t know enough.
But there are plenty of people on our side taking the Islam is Peace pill.
blatantblue on January 27, 2009 at 10:48 PM
Terrific, another person who doesn’t know what freedom of speech means.
Here’s something to consider: You don’t have a right to post here. Freedom of speech only protects people from government suppression of their speech.
AP isn’t required to post messages calling for the mass murder of an entire group of people.
SteveMG on January 27, 2009 at 10:48 PM
SHAME!
chunderroad on January 27, 2009 at 10:49 PM
Zactly!
blatantblue on January 27, 2009 at 10:50 PM
Golly!
Meanwhile, back in Cairo …
Sounds tedious. I’ll leave the tattle work to you, pal.
argos on January 27, 2009 at 10:53 PM
The floor is yours. Let’s see you take on AP. After all, he’s the one “suppressing speech” here.
AP would have banned the person whether I requested it or not. He just had to see the post.
He’s got class. Something quite foreign to some people.
SteveMG on January 27, 2009 at 10:58 PM
So I would like to get this straight. The muslims were allies of the nazis and we had to stop the nazis by killing them. So if it’s hateful to say that muslims should be wiped out is it also hateful to say that the nazis should have been wiped out? They were allies and share the ideal of world domination and extermination of the Jews. Idealistically they’re the same people.
Does anyone really think Obama’s Neville Chamberlin approach is going to work?
deewhybee on January 27, 2009 at 10:59 PM
My dear chap, I never would have dreamt of depriving you of the moment of your triumphant self-righteous indignation. Alas, a moment was all I could spare.
PercyB on January 27, 2009 at 11:00 PM
IDK why MG is getting so much heat from y’all.
D1ckless Wonder on page one was saying Muslims should have experienced the Holocaust themselves.
As a student of the “Islam is violent and intolerant” school, I still don’t think we should be doing that. It is wrong to suggest. We aren’t DKos.
blatantblue on January 27, 2009 at 11:01 PM
You do understand the difference between Nazis and Muslims?
One was an organization, a political unit or group of people. National Socialists. Adults. Mostly men. They declared war on the US.
The other is a religion. Many Muslims are ordinary children or women or simple men. They aren’t terrorists. They get up, go to work and raise their children. They haven’t declared war on us. They can’t fight. They are simple poor people.
Many Muslims are working with our soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq killing the radical Muslims.
Do we want to kill those Muslims too?
SteveMG on January 27, 2009 at 11:02 PM
Yes, unlike you I am indignant over the call of the mass slaughter and deaths – ovens and gassing and raping and torturing – of women and children.
For I, sophisticated and erudite that I am, believe such views are noxious and need to be driven out of mainstream discussion.
Unlike me, of course, you believe such views are worthy of consideration.
I am a man. You are a slug.
SteveMG on January 27, 2009 at 11:05 PM
And what about you Steve, do you think that you have this class of which you speak?
Cheshire Cat on January 27, 2009 at 11:08 PM
*snicker*
BigWyo on January 27, 2009 at 11:11 PM
How is crashing planes into buildings not declaring war? Not everyone in Japan dropped bombs on Pearl Harbor. Not every member of the nazi party was a death camp guard. There is no such thing as a nice war. Being nice is why Europe is falling right now.
The decent muslims could do more to stop the islamists. They know who they are. If they’re not willing to clean house then people outside islam will have to do it.
deewhybee on January 27, 2009 at 11:11 PM
If I’m dealing with people who advocate the mass murder of millions of innocent people or with people who defend such noxious views – I’ll not treat them with respect.
They deserve none.
SteveMG on January 27, 2009 at 11:12 PM
There is no excuse for wholesale slaughter of women and children.
Are Muslim children even aware of what they do or say?
Of course not. So why even say what D1ckless wonder said?
It was an unnecessary comment. It was wrong
blatantblue on January 27, 2009 at 11:14 PM
Careful!!! You’re coming dangerously close to losing Steve’s respect!!
BigWyo on January 27, 2009 at 11:15 PM
People – denile ain’t just a river.
Ugly on January 27, 2009 at 11:15 PM
What about the Muslims in Nigeria? Or those in the Congo? They have absolutely nothing to do with AQ or the Muslim Brotherhood or radical Islamists.
Or a dozen other countries where the radicals are disliked?
These people have no ability to fight the Islamists. They barely survive each day from starvation or disease.
Are we to kill them too?
SteveMG on January 27, 2009 at 11:15 PM
err. Denial.
/facepalm
Ugly on January 27, 2009 at 11:16 PM
I’m glad some people here aren’t in control of the trigger, advocating wholesale slaughter.
Islam is a hateful religion, but you won’t change a damn thing gassing every last one of them. It isn’t a hard concept to get. The guy on page one said something completely unnecessary. Picture a few million kids getting gassed.
And why? Because they have known nothing else but Islam their entire existence?
blatantblue on January 27, 2009 at 11:18 PM
No, if he’s saying we need to destroy/kill the radical Muslims who are killing Jews or us or advocating the deaths of Jews or us, he’s right.
But there are millions of ordinary Muslims whose only goal each day is to survive. They live in absolute squalor and are barely able to get through the day.
They have absolutely nothing to do with AQ or the Muslim Brotherhood.
Why someone wants to kill them – women and children – is bizarre.
SteveMG on January 27, 2009 at 11:18 PM
I think that we should all be able to agree that Winston Churchill had a rather good understanding of this matter.
Here was the new Koran of faith and war: turgid, verbose, shapeless, but pregnant with its message.
- Winston Churchill (equating Adolf Hiler’s Mein Kampf to Mohammad’s Koran in his book the “The Gathering Storm”. He might as well have called the Koran, Mein Kampf I)
How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
- Winston Churchill
MB4 on January 27, 2009 at 11:19 PM
I guess you guys are right. They’re just nice people and we can get along fine with them. All we have to do is be nice.
Peace in our time.
deewhybee on January 27, 2009 at 11:19 PM
Thank you. Why do you and I see this but others can’t? Or won’t?
We’re going to kill millions of poor Muslims in Africa who live in absolute dirty poverty?
Does that make sense?
SteveMG on January 27, 2009 at 11:20 PM
Way to prop the straw man up.
blatantblue on January 27, 2009 at 11:20 PM
Yeah, being against killing millions of poor Muslim children and women in the Congo is appeasing the radicals.
Sheesh.
Let’s kill the radical Muslims! Not the ordinary children and women whose only goal in life is to survive another day!
SteveMG on January 27, 2009 at 11:22 PM
It seems that you have gone into a state of utter distress now. I did suspect that you were French.
PercyB on January 27, 2009 at 11:23 PM
No – let’s swoop in like Sooperbatman and save them all.
You live in a Daisey-filled world of Unicorns and fluffy cotton-candy bunnys.
Exit question: Steve – would you rather kill or be killed?
Ugly on January 27, 2009 at 11:23 PM
Yep, I guess we need to kill all those 7- and 8-year old Muslims living in Nigeria. Or Ceylon. Or in South Africa.
Otherwise, we’re not serious about winning this war.
SteveMG on January 27, 2009 at 11:24 PM
Kill.
Answer my question: Would you go to the Congo and kill all the Muslim women and children in every village?
SteveMG on January 27, 2009 at 11:25 PM
I’m sure you’d love to make the decision to kill 1.2 billion people.
Billion, with a B.
A huge chunk of that number being children.
This mentality is the problem.
Fighting is only part of the solution. To defeat Qur’anic doctrine, doctrine in the Hadith, and Islamic jurisprudence, non-violent methods are going to need to be employed.
blatantblue on January 27, 2009 at 11:26 PM
I’m all for torturing Islamic terrorists. Cut off phalanges if needed.
I find the life of Muhammad to be quite disturbing. I understand the notions of jihad as noted by his first biographer Ibn Ishaq. I understand ahadith that talk about killing people who leave Islam for another religion.
However, the idea of killing buckets of children isn’t right. What does that make us? We hate how Islamic terrorists target children, and brutally oppress women in the Mideast.
These same dolts are proposing killing all 1.2 billion of them.
Billion, with a B.
blatantblue on January 27, 2009 at 11:28 PM
Must be most burdensome carrying such a heavy cross and here I had been lead to believe that Obama was the new Saviour.
Tav on January 27, 2009 at 11:29 PM
Whatever, I’m getting sick of the reflexively dolts on this website.
I’m going to bed.
Out.
blatantblue on January 27, 2009 at 11:29 PM
reflexively thinking dolts***
blatantblue on January 27, 2009 at 11:29 PM
Indeed. Those that we have to kill – the adults – we kill.
Others we try to persuade. To change. If we can’t change, we watch carefully. If we have to attack them, we attack.
But we simply cannot slaughter 1.2 billion men, women and children. Most of them are illiterates who don’t even know what the heck is going on outside of their village or homes.
SteveMG on January 27, 2009 at 11:30 PM
Yes, I also bear the weight of your thoughts on my shoulder.
Small weight but it works out okay, it’s my sore shoulder.
SteveMG on January 27, 2009 at 11:32 PM
You have just made the most unforgivable insult to Islam that I have ever seen!
Allah hates you this I know
For the Koran tells me so
Infidels Christians and Jews we bomb
They are weak but we are strong
Yes Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you,
The Koran tells me so.
Allah hates you, you will die
Blow your ass up to the sky
Say the salat, chop off head,
Eat falafel, go to bed.
Yes, Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you!
The Koran tells me so.
Aleph on January 27, 2009 at 11:33 PM
Thank you Allah and Ed for posting this. This needs to be seen by every single American. Twice. I’m showing it to my older children tomorrow. Forewarned is forearmed.
Good night.
dish on January 27, 2009 at 11:33 PM
Being nice will only buy you a little time while you convert to Islam.
Aleph on January 27, 2009 at 11:36 PM
One last thing.
I understand the anger. I fume with it all the time, having to be around Muslims at school, and liberals, and listen to their whining and anti-Americanism. There are times when I want Islam to just be wiped off the planet in a violent spasm. That is out of passion. Not out of rational thought.
Violence is PART of our solution. It cannot be our entire solution, and I refuse to have this country slaughter hundreds of millions of youth.
Having Muslim children and women (who YOU PEOPLE claimed to be oppressed under the Taliban) slaughtered en masse is going to do nothing.
Islam is an oppressive, misogynistic religion. Killing hundreds of millions of Muslim women isn’t right.
blatantblue on January 27, 2009 at 11:39 PM
I am getting too old, not to mention too dead, for this. I already have one person who thinks that he is the Second Coming of Christ to treat and now another one! I am afraid that I will have to give priority to Mr. Obama as he is now President. Sorry Steve, I’ll have to get to you later.
Sigmund on January 27, 2009 at 11:42 PM
7 and 8 years old? Aren’t you going to protect those who are 6 and less against the rampaging hoards?
Seriously, if you get anymore over the top hysterical on your holier than thou jihad you will need a horse tranquilizer.
HalJordan on January 27, 2009 at 11:49 PM
He’s misunderstood, really…
/sarc
Send_Me on January 28, 2009 at 12:02 AM
I saw this video earlier on LGF today.
I literally forced myself to sit through the entire thing as a witness to evil.
And now, again, I ask the question here:
If it was right to want to put a bullet in Himmler’s head sixty four years ago, why would it be wrong to want to do it to this Imam today?
I don’t mean figuratively; I mean it literally.
Is it wrong? Were people wrong to wish that of Himmler over six decades ago? So what would be the logic and rationale for not wanting it with the exact same enemy today?
Again, I stand by my logic and reason in my argument. Without emotion, without regret, without a care of consequence, I would have pulled that trigger on a Nazi figurehead over sixty years ago if only I could. I would do so today as well.
Summer on January 28, 2009 at 12:06 AM
Allahpundit:
To be correct, the woman is not kissing a Nazi’s hand but that of a British soldier who is part of the allied force liberating the camp. It appears that all of the camp scenes are from films of the allies liberating the camps. The scenes of German soldiers loading bodies on trucks were because the allies forced the former German guards to dispose of the bodies. The bulldozer is manned by a British soldier as the bodies had to be buried in mass graves to prevent disease as the camps were being liberated.
The commentator is only a reflection of the sentiments of a majority of the middle east Arab community, which too many of us in the west are ignoring at our peril.
skyhawka4 on January 28, 2009 at 1:11 AM
I believe Obama just told these people that America is not their enemy. Feeling the joy yet?
jediwebdude on January 28, 2009 at 1:11 AM
This is the sort of mentality that has thrived under Mubarak.
Kralizec on January 28, 2009 at 2:56 AM
I’ve seen Christian clerics spouting the same BS as this turd. No religion has a monopoly on antisemitism or racism. The Holocaust itself proof of this.
lexhamfox on January 28, 2009 at 3:05 AM
When a thing has become bad, it seems one may remedy its badness in two modes, by making that thing good or by unmaking it. And therefore when men have come to be of corrupt faith, one remedies those men by causing them to have new faith or by causing them to be incapable of faith. And it seems that a remedy is better if it makes a bad thing good, and that it is good if it does not fail you.
Kralizec on January 28, 2009 at 4:14 AM
However that may be, we’re not here to bandy words or even to be fair, but to figure out how to defeat enemies.
Kralizec on January 28, 2009 at 4:40 AM
And our dummy POTUS says we Americans are the ones that should “listen” to these people. We are the ones that rush in and try to “dictate” to them.
Ok, Mr. Obama, I’m listening to them and I don’t like what I hear. Now what…
sabbott on January 28, 2009 at 5:47 AM
Winner…dumbest post of the new year! Christian “Clerics” spouting BS about the jews not being slaughtered in WWII? OK…
sabbott on January 28, 2009 at 5:49 AM
That animal, and I don’t use the term lightly, obviously missed the memo about Islam being the *AHEM* “Religion of Peace”.
SuperCool on January 28, 2009 at 6:37 AM
How many viewers or followers does this guy have?
rob verdi on January 28, 2009 at 7:18 AM
Please, stop the liberal lie of moral relativism. Aside from the odd nut-job here and there, Christianity today does not have a majority of its adhernets trying to forcibly dominate the world and exterminate those who do not conform.
J.J. Sefton on January 28, 2009 at 7:44 AM
Meanwhile, the Netherlands prosecutes Geert Wilder for hate crimes, the UN is pushing to make any criticism of Islam a crime, Iran has nearly achieved their nuclear ambitions, and our new president sucks up to the Muslims in his first interview.
Disturb the Universe on January 28, 2009 at 9:07 AM
Wow. And the creeping inability to understand the difference between combatant and non-combatant becomes the ability to rationalize horrible actions-
Not neccesarily; you aren’t doing now what your grandparents did, are you?
Which is exactly the sentiment the Nazis nurtured in their SS Totenkopfverbände divisions, you dolt. Watch Triumph of the Will. Unbelievable.
flashoverride on January 28, 2009 at 9:12 AM
Maybe, maybe not. It seems to me that they’re innocent until they commit those acts of war. We know that not every Muslim is a radical extremist waging war against us. Recall the old saying, “You can’t visit the sins of the father upon the son”?
I hope you’re not arguing that we kill all of these children now because they may – maybe probably or likely – will become radical adults who wage war against us? We kill them all even if we know that some will lead quiet lives? Is that moral?
Do we really want to kill all Muslim children in Kenya? Or Burundi? Or Mozambique? Many of these children have no idea who Al-Qaeda is?
How about the children of Iraqi soldiers who are fighting along side us? Or the children of Afghan soldiers helping us fight Al-qaeda?
Why are so many Muslims fighting Al-Qaeda? Why are so many Muslims against the radicals? Yes, not all. Or perhaps most. But many of them.
Sorry, advocating the mass slaughter of all Muslims is flatout evil. Period.
SteveMG on January 28, 2009 at 9:17 AM
Well, that’s stupid and full of fail, and I wish the Nederlanders enjoyed the freedom of speech we do.
That would be a shame, being against the principle of free speech and all, but you will have to be so kind as to provide us with a resolution number or citation
Considering that they are an expansionist Shiite country surrounded by (with the exception of Iraq) mojority Sunni countries, this cannot end well
Can’t really disagree with you there. Arab strong man doctrine would have demanded he crushed several local rebellions, or something. Anything to show his manliness, and therefore his ability to win. To parlay and show a hint of weakness or pandering is to fail in the Arab world. You parlay from strength, to set terms. You don’t parlay to bargain the outcome.
flashoverride on January 28, 2009 at 9:18 AM
Thank you.
I’m trying to be calm in response to this nonsense of advocacy of mass murder but I’m losing patience.
For some strange reason I’m “self righteous” because I think people who advocate killing all Muslims – women and children and elderly and infants – are advocating an evil plan.
Imagine that? They advocate genocide, I condemn them, and I’m the bad guy?
SteveMG on January 28, 2009 at 9:19 AM
Right, the people advocating killing all Muslims are not the problem.
It’s me arguing against that mass slaughter who is the bad guy.
So, it’s holier-than-thou to be against those who advocate killing millions of children? Infants? Elderly?
We have a film clip of the Nazis doing exactly that to the Jewish children and elderly and infants and women.
And I’m self-righteous for arguing against doing that same exact thing (mass slaughter) to Muslims?
Are you insane?
SteveMG on January 28, 2009 at 9:24 AM
StevenMG,
Or my son, who’s almost 4. He’s an American. American, and muslim. He’s apparently a “brown savage” according to an earlier poster.
My family is muslim.
Being one of the very few muslims that post here, I try not to let these comments sink in too much. Hearing someone who has a very slanted version of what “Taqiyah” is tell me all about Islam is analgous to a jewish person telling me all about the Sacrament.
IE, it doesn’t make much sense, and if you can’t name the differing schools of Islamic thought and their traditions and relative geographic strengths, I probably am not going to be buying whatever it is you’re selling.
Let’s get on thing clear: I would put a bullet through the video guy’s head. small caliber, .22, being the easiest to silence and all. Maybe mess with his car; Egypt isn’t exactly known for fine automobile shops or even well thought out traffic schemes (Inshallah is *not* supposed to be a traffic signal). But I don’t go all Nazi because one frigging d-bag says something stupid. If that were the case anytime I saw Reid or Pelosi my head would simply explode.
flashoverride on January 28, 2009 at 9:30 AM
And my guess is that the family is appalled at the actions of AQ and other Islamists?
But some people here, apparently (I’m not sure that they really mean this or that they’re just frustrated) believe your family and 4-year old should be killed.
I claim this is evil and I’m called “self-righteous” or “holier-than-thou.” Someone who is against killing innocent children is now the bad guy in this discussion?
I’m hoping that this is simply some people blowing off steam on a blog. And they’re not really serious.
If they’re serious, well…..
SteveMG on January 28, 2009 at 9:35 AM
This is interesting information. I wonder, do you have a Western worldview through which you practice Islam? From my study of Islam, it is more than a religion, but encompasses politics, law, morality–virtually every area of life. If you have a Western view of church and state separation (I hope I don’t unleash a torrent of discussion on this board about the fact that the words aren’t in the Constitution–the separation of the church and the state are thoroughly entrenched in our thinking), then you view things in a very different way than those societies which cannot imagine the separation of Islam from government.
DrMagnolias on January 28, 2009 at 9:41 AM
SteveMG, I know your motives are in the right place but this kind of indignation reeks of the hysteria of a liberal argument.
That poster should not have been banned. He should have been argued with and set straight, ridiculed and marginalized. If there are people out there who believe Hitler did the right thing, just to the wrong people, do you think banning them changes their mind in the least? I’d rather see and hear from them and know just what we are dealing with.
Banning is something liberals do. Conservatives shouldn’t. We are smarter than that.
CarolynM on January 28, 2009 at 9:53 AM
And by the way, Steve, the people much more likely to come to your home country and murder your son are not Americans, but the terrorists who hate him simply because of the borders he lives between. On 9/11, they didn’t drop any pamphlets warning Moslems to clear out of the world trade centers, did they? So stop behaving as if anyone is talking about kicking down your door and slitting your son’t throat. As I say, your son’s fellow Moslems are much more likely to do that, if they decide that his belief system is not up to their standards.
mikeinamman on January 28, 2009 at 9:53 AM
These are the guys our president is sucking up to. Yeck!
Herb on January 28, 2009 at 9:55 AM
Once again: the issue on the table was not the eradication of an ideology or religion or philosophy or idea.
The issue on the table was the call for the mass slaughter – what Hitler did – to all Muslims. Everywhere. Women. Children. Infants. Elderly. The sick.
There will be roughly 50,000 or so infants born today to Muslim women. Apparently, advocates of mass murder believe we should kill all 50,000 of those newborns today. Right now.
This discussion was not about the need to change or defeat Islam. It was about killing all Muslims.
I find it simply amazing that you apparently think this idea was one that we can discuss.
If you think so, I’ve got nothing to say to you.
If you advocate that mass murder on this blog, I’ll tell AP to ban your ass.
And guess what? He will.
SteveMG on January 28, 2009 at 9:57 AM
Here that AP?
Hop to it.
SteveMG has spoken.
CarolynM on January 28, 2009 at 9:59 AM
How about my bet?
mikeinamman on January 28, 2009 at 9:59 AM
CarolynM on January 28, 2009 at 10:00 AM
Carolyn:
First, AP banned him. I requested it, he did it. So, I think you need to post AP and tell him your views in case he doesn’t see this. Maybe he’ll explain why he agreed with me that such thoughts make this site look bad.
Second, as you see here, others have chimed in and agreed with him. I’m trying to argue with them and correct them.
Would you like to join with me in ridiculing and marginalizing them?
It seems to me the more important issue isn’t whether AP banned someone who advocated killing innocent women and children; the important issue is that people are defending that proposal.
SteveMG on January 28, 2009 at 10:01 AM
Our country is ripe for the same invasion we’ve seen in Europe, only political correctness will sink us faster. Our laws will be used against us as the ACLU paves the way for them. Muslims are becoming masters of this type of infiltration.
Don’t look to our government for help. Half of our president’s relatives are undoubtedly muslim. Does that tell us anything?
With (literally) a shooting war at our doorstep in Mexico, a depression on our short calendar, and Islamofascism growing throughout Europe and Africa I can only suggest to watch our gun laws carefully and hang on to the ones you own. Things could get nasty here in a hurry on a number of fronts. When the shouting is in your street and the banging at your door, don’t expect the police to help. At that time you only have one friend.
Ernest on January 28, 2009 at 10:03 AM
No, AP has spoken with his previous actions.
Go ahead, advocate the genocide of innocent people here. Do it.
Say “Hitler was right but he should have done it to Muslims”. That’s what the previous poster said.
Everyone who agrees with that here, make a post agreeing with it.
See what AP – not me - but AP does.
SteveMG on January 28, 2009 at 10:03 AM
You really are a crybaby, Steve. How can you argue with a straight face that you had nothing to do with his banning–that it’s not your fault? After all, you only requested it, then gleefully thanked Allah when it was done, and threatened others with the same. But other than that, you had nothing to do with it, right? What a child.
mikeinamman on January 28, 2009 at 10:03 AM
I agree.
However, for the sake of argument, let’s say it was somehow in our power, while the Nazis existed, to turn them against Wahhabists, fringe Sunnis, and all the other violent sects of Islam. Let’s say they managed to kill most of the jihadis and the mullahs who directed them. The Germans were quite efficient in desert conditions, and probably could have overtaken Turkey on their way to Syria and Iraq. Before you know it, Saudi Arabia is fighting, and while they would have put up a hell of a struggle, blitzkrieg would have them running.
Just suppose this happened, and all the holy wars of Bin Laden and Dinner Jacket and everyone else got set back by 50-100 years, but it would have meant the deaths of many women and children in that area. While muftis met with Hitler and showed a lot of common ground, so did Stalin, and look what happened. Would it have been worth it?
MadisonConservative on January 28, 2009 at 10:05 AM
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