Pure Nazism: Muslim cleric celebrates the Holocaust on Egyptian TV
posted at 7:45 pm on January 27, 2009 by Allahpundit
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Via LGF, a reminder that the Holocaust coin has two sides in the Middle East: Denialism and, paradoxically, embrace. Note how preoccupied this filthbag is with the concept of humiliation. Even as scenes of mass murder roll by, he thrills most of all to the degradation involved — a Jewish woman forced to kiss a Nazi guard’s hand, a Jewish man weeping in despair.
How often do I explicitly ask you to watch an entire clip, especially one this long? I’m asking this time. If Mubarak’s dictatorship ever falls, this is the sort of mentality that will replace it.
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This thread is a microcosm if why this larger war will go on for a long, long time.
They prefer to attack us, we prefer to attack each other.
Merovign on January 28, 2009 at 10:08 AM
Stalin was never fooled. See: Stalin: The court of the Red Tsar. by Simon Sebag Montefiore (his later book on Stalin is excellent as well).
gh on January 28, 2009 at 10:12 AM
The Devil has no sense of time, only the sense of completing his mission.
Badger40 on January 28, 2009 at 10:15 AM
I never said I had nothing to do with the banning. I said I requested it. I have no power to ban anyone.
Let me ask you: Do you think the US should do what Hitler did to the Jews but instead to the Muslims?
That’s what the poster advocated.
Do you think we should round up Muslims, put them in camps, strip them of their dignity, and gas them and then put them in ovens?
That’s what Hitler did.
Do you think that someone who advocates (and he was serious) that we gas and slaughter millions of innocent people should be allowed to continued to advocate that on a blog?
I don’t think so. I pointed out the post to AP and requested that the poster be banned.
AP agreed with me and did so.
Why not e-mail AP and ask that the banning be revoked?
Take it up with him, not me.
SteveMG on January 28, 2009 at 10:19 AM
Well, that’s my entire point.
You need to join with me and correct those who disagree.
There are a number of posters here who think you and I are “bleeding liberals” or wish to surrender or don’t want to fight or are “self righteous.”
They need to be told their ideas are nonsense.
SteveMG on January 28, 2009 at 10:21 AM
That has worked well for Israel.
Johan Klaus on January 28, 2009 at 10:25 AM
Link?
Johan Klaus on January 28, 2009 at 10:27 AM
We have got about four options:
1. Submit to the muslims.
2. Let Europe handle the problem.
3. Wait for our government to handle the problem.
4. Arm ourselves and protect our own families.
I will take option four.
Johan Klaus on January 28, 2009 at 10:31 AM
Do you know what that statement sounds like?
That’s what you seem to be missing. While I don’t disagree with your disgust, I entirely disagree with your attitude towards those who disagree.
MadisonConservative on January 28, 2009 at 10:40 AM
At the risk of being banned, might I suggest a few more options once we take option 4.
-Stop Muslim immigration to the U.S. In particular, Somalis, Yemenis, and Pakistanis.
-Recognize that there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim organization – CAIR, ISNA – and make sure that our new President does not give them more influence and access to the highest levels of government.
CarolynM on January 28, 2009 at 10:49 AM
You think those who advocate a “Final Solution” to all Muslims should be treated with respect?
Someone who says we should round up all Muslims and kill them all – children and elderly – deserves a respectful hearing?
There will probably be 20,000 infants born today to Muslim women around the world. There are people here who say we should kill all of those babies. Because 20 years from now they’ll come afer us.
That’s a evil idea. It deserves no respect. It deserves complete and total denunciation.
I think anyone who advocates that we do to Muslims what Hitler did to the Jews is sick and evil and twisted.
And frankly, I don’t give a damned what they think about me. In fact, I want them to hate me or attack me.
Because they are holding views that are just as twisted as those Nazis who wanted to kill all Jews.
SteveMG on January 28, 2009 at 11:24 AM
Wow. So much ignorance packed into two sentences.
Precisely what religious group perpetrated or promoted the Holocaust?
29Victor on January 28, 2009 at 11:29 AM
I hear ya, I just wish the other 52% of our nation would come to that conclusion, but as we know the left-tards think holding hands, sharing a coke and singing “koom-baya” ill solve everything!
One of my favorite ways to try and explain to lefty moonbats the true threat we face from fascist Islam is the “Terminator analogy” because using a pop-culture reference is the easiest way to try and explain something complex to a lefty with a double digit IQ, here’s the quote:
“Listen! Understand! That terminator is out there! It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead!!:”
For those posting on this thread that don’t think Iran will use a nuke, you’re fooling yourselves. Islam is a death cult and using a nuke is their way of ushering in the 12th Imam! God help us all…we’ll need it once the Mad Mullah’s get a nuke!
Liberty or Death on January 28, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Well. At least BO is cozy with them. I’m sure he’ll be able to “talk” these guys down from the genocidal ledge they live on.
watson007 on January 28, 2009 at 11:36 AM
SteveMG,
Yeah. Now you know why I don’t frequent here very much anymore. Depressing, isn’t it.
29Victor on January 28, 2009 at 11:36 AM
SteveMG, how’s that no cussing club of yours going? Way to turn this thread from extremism to extreme sanctimony.
Oops time to ban me for questioning the all powerful Steve.
koolbrease on January 28, 2009 at 11:36 AM
Awful….
It makes me wonder why some Jews are so liberal.
It makes me wonder why this horror hasen’t put put into the media to remind people.
Kini on January 28, 2009 at 11:42 AM
SteveMG,
At Hotair, arguing against the extermination of a people group is now considered “extreme sanctimony.”
Of course, during the election there were several people here arguing that America should fall because Romney wasn’t nominated. And, later, gleefully hoping that Americans would “be taught a lesson” or “get what they deserve” for electing Obama.
So why is this any surprise.
The folks at Hotair don’t have a name, like LGF’s lizzroids, or whatever. I suggest HotArians.
Anyone…anyone…
29Victor on January 28, 2009 at 11:43 AM
No, but your immediate reaction of silencing those who disagree with you is nearly as frightening.
MadisonConservative on January 28, 2009 at 11:45 AM
.
Yeah, I’m stay a little longer but it’s deeply depressing. AP and Ed try to keep this stuff out but they can’t catch everything.
When William F. Buckley founded the modern conservative movement, he helped defeat the Birchers and Liberty Lobby types that thought Jews ran the world or that Eisenhower was a communist or that George Marshall was a KGB agent.
Apparently, we have some of the same types in the movement today. Only instead of going after Jews, they go after all Muslims.
Imagine! Wanting to do to Muslims what Hitler did to the Jews!!!
And people are defending that idea! Or saying it’s worthy of debate.
And others are pretending that “Oh, ban me!!” like children on the playground.
I’m hoping that some of this is just the nature of the internet. People get behind a computer and just like to say outrageous things and be provocative. And then when they’re called on it claim they’re being suppressed or that others are being self-rigtheous.
SteveMG on January 28, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Saying that people who advocate Hitler’s solution to Muslims shouldn’t be allowed to post here is nearly as frightening as advocating mass murder?
I’m not saying that people who advocate mass murder should be arrested. Or fined.
I’m saying that that idea is not worthy of debate and that people who post that evil idea shouldn’t be allowed to post at this site. If they want to post at their own sites, they have every right to do so.
If you’re so frightened at my suggestion, you must be terrified at AllahPundit who actually did the banning.
If you’re afraid of AP, why post here? He might go after you.
Scary.
SteveMG on January 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Arians were early gnostic Christians declared to be heretics by the Council of Nicea in 325 AD.
A vowel is a terrible thing to misplace.
Beagle on January 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM
By the way, that’s your characterization, after defending those who celebrate the holocaust and look forward to the next one as “human”.
No, they are not human. They are monsters, and they need to be destroyed before they destroy many, many more lives, and strike fear into this world once again.
MadisonConservative on January 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM
From breckshire.wordpress.com;
““Mein Kamphf”, or “My Struggle” – Adolph Hitler’s personal autobiography and manifesto outlining the political ideology that became Nazism – sell’s well in the Arab world under it’s translated title, “Jihadi” (or, “struggle”).
In the Palestinian-occupied territories, says [Walid] Shoebat, “Mein Kampf” is a perennial best-seller, second only to the Qur’an itself.
Anti-Semitism and Jew-hatred is a basic tenent of classic fascism, writes Hanson, both then (in the 1930’s) and now. So is a generic hatred for unbelievers (”infidels” in Islam), homosexuals, and blacks (a point making even more interesting the apparent attraction that Islam, and even radical Islam, has for an increasing number of American blacks.)”
Walid Shoebat is a former PLO member with an insightful blog. http://www.shoebat.com/
oldleprechaun on January 28, 2009 at 11:51 AM
The Arab commentator / “newsman?” was brought up by his parents, his religion,and his schools to believe in this hate the Jews and all non-Muslim C**P. He thinks he is perfectly rational and fully supports the Islamic Jihad.
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Remember the T.V. video of the Gaza and other Arab Streets filled with happy people doing “high fives” and “Allah Akbars” when they saw our people jumping to their deaths from the twin towers rather than burning alive on 9/11/2001.
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After a lifetime–or 20 years of brainwashing and indoctrination like this there are no longer any clear thinking or rational or innocent people in the Arab / Persian countries any more–only future Jihadis.
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The Arab commentator made some very good points–provided you replace the word Jews with Radical Muslims. And provided you replace the words German Soldiers with Jihadis.
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I got sick watching President O’Bummer apologizing for the U.S.A. in his interview with Al Arabia T.V.–he doesn’t have a clue about what we are up against. He will have a much better idea when the first nukes go off in New York City and Washington, D.C. Too bad he will never see this video–it might help educate him a little.
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John Bibb
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rocketman on January 28, 2009 at 11:59 AM
That’s completely false. Nowhere did I “defend” those who celebrate the holocaust.
As my posts above mentioned, this thug in the tape is evil and twisted and sick.
You’re trying to change the subject because you can’t defend those who advocate – as they did – the mass slaughter of all Muslims like Hitler tried to do with the Jews.
SteveMG on January 28, 2009 at 12:00 PM
I don’t think a newborn Muslim baby celebrates the Holocaust.
There are people who say we must kill all Muslims including children and newborns because twenty years from now they may wage war on us.
If you think that’s a reasonable suggestion, go for it.
I think it needs to be completely denounced.
Notice I didn’t say banned?
SteveMG on January 28, 2009 at 12:04 PM
I never attempted to defend them. I am attacking your solution of banning anyone you disagree with on this board.
And as I said…
No, he’s evil. He’s not human. You humanize that pile of filth, and you undermine the will to destroy him without a second’s pause.
MadisonConservative on January 28, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Stop conflating. You know perfectly well I was referring to the guy in the tape and his type, of which there are far more than a few.
MadisonConservative on January 28, 2009 at 12:05 PM
So much for the likes of Dietrich Bonhoeffer I guess. He stood against the Nazis in defense of the Jews and was hanged for his efforts. Martyrs like he are so oft forgotten. The difference between the “Christian clerics” you mention and Bonhoeffer (and those like him) is a matter of doctrine. Bonhoeffer stood for Christian truth, not heresy. Christian doctrine speaks against such things as the Holocaust, whereas Islamic and Socialist doctrine speaks in defense of it.
Send_Me on January 28, 2009 at 12:06 PM
First, I admit to confusion. Was the Holocaust made-up…a myth…as per Iran’s spokesnut yesterday? Or was it a fact, and a form of righful vengeance, Allah be praised, as per this wingnut?
These guys need to get their story straight.
Secondly, apart from the obvious, I am struck by the sheer pig-ignorance of this guy in terms of history and historical events. Someone should tell him that history is sequential.
His knowledge is non-existent.
Yet there are those, I guess, who listen to this and think it’s true. Just as in our culture, if it’s in the New York Times, it has (for a lot of people) credibility. I suppose that, if this idiot is on TV he must have credibility. The problem is that a population reared in a culture that not only rejects, but despises, critical thinking skills lacks the ability to analyze and see through this stuff.
Allahpundit: I have to say I watched the whole thing, but only after starting the second time. This is tough to stomach, and I couldn’t get through it the first time. It needs a Viewer Advisory Warning.
Blaise on January 28, 2009 at 12:07 PM
You weren’t the only one who couldn’t make it through the first time. Hard not to lose it watching that smug piece of crap.
MadisonConservative on January 28, 2009 at 12:09 PM
Yeah, being blocked from a blog right up there with advocating genocide.
Get out much?
29Victor on January 28, 2009 at 12:11 PM
It seems to me, though, that you are characterizing everyone who expresses the idea that the problem is with Islam itself, and therefore what to do about its followers must be addressed, as people who are proposing mass slaughter of Muslims. There are certainly people who believe in alternatives–such as no more Muslim immigration, etc.–because even if you are correct that women, children, the elderly, etc. are unfair targets, that doesn’t mean they aren’t potentially problematic.
DrMagnolias on January 28, 2009 at 12:12 PM
In the rush to yell at one another, nobody noticed the cleric assumes every Muslim will know about the sacralized Jew hatred implicit in the Quran and life of Mohammed which he mentions by saying:
That’s reminding his listeners that Mohammed thought it was a good idea to behead about eight hundred Jewish captives at Banu Qurayza — one of many conflicts between Mohammed and the Arabian Peninsula’s original Jewish inhabitants.
This problem is much deeper than Hitler and modern manifestations of Jew hatred.
But hey, why delve into the subject matter when you can run around self-righteously accuse everyone else of being a Nazi? Deja vu all over again…
Beagle on January 28, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Now you’re saying a falsehood that I want everyone who disagrees with me banned.
You disagree with me. Did I say you should be banned?
I specifically stated that anyone who says that we should do to the Muslims what Hitler did to the Jews should be banned for this site.
I didn’t say they couldn’t express that view elsewhere. If they want to shout it from the top of a mountatin, they have that right.
There have been a number of people who disagree with me on this matter. I’ve not said that a single one of them should be banned. Not one.
Not a single one.
Second, if we dehumanize this sick cleric (or whatever he is) we take away his moral sense or responsibility. If we call him an animal, that means he acts like an animal does which is based on instinct and not free will.
Calling people animals means they’re not responsible for their actions since animals have no consciences. An animal does what an animal does. We don’t call a tiger that kills a antelope evil. Because they are doing things based on instinct.
This evil twisted person has a mind. He has a conscience. He is worse than an animal because he has the ability to make choiced.
If a Predator missile hit him right between the eyes, that would be perfect. But that is because his evil humanity is poisoning other humans.
SteveMG on January 28, 2009 at 12:15 PM
Apparently you don’t. You seem to bemoan the discussion on this site, yet you still take part in it.
We’ve gotten trolls of all stripes on this site. Some of the crap that came out of SaintOlaf’s mouth was as bad if not worse than some guy saying all Muslims should be killed. Both are contemptible, but we usually managed to argue their brainless asses down without banning them.
MadisonConservative on January 28, 2009 at 12:16 PM
You’re assuming that by calling him other than human, that he’s somehow an animal. Wrong assumption. He’s a pile of camel feces. He’s a puddle of slime. I would have compunction about shooting an animal. I would have none about giving him the same treatment many of his brothers have given to Westerners like you and me.
MadisonConservative on January 28, 2009 at 12:19 PM
Sorry, I’ve specifically stated in a post above that I say that we must defeat/destroy/change the ideology of Islam.
But there’s a difference, as you know, between “killing” Islam and killing humans who are Muslims.
I am specifically saying that people who advocate Hitler’s solution for Muslim people are advocating an evil idea.
In every post, I was responding to those who advocate killing all Muslims. Not those advocating attacking or defeating or changing or turning back the ideology.
If people want to attack the ideology, the tenets of the religion, that’s not only acceptable I agree with it.
There’s not a single post from me on this matter or others related to Islam where I said that people can’t condemn or attack Islam. Or that they couldn’t advocate “destroying” (however that is done) the religion of Islam.
My attacks are solely and exclusively against those who say we must kill all Muslims. Muslim children, elderly, sick, infirmed.
SteveMG on January 28, 2009 at 12:22 PM
Sorry, read the posts above from those who have advocated exactly that idea.
If people want to “destroy” Islam as a religion, that’s fine. I’m not sure how we can “destroy” a religion but I’m willing to listen.
But those who say – and read the posts above from people who have advocated this – that we must kill all Muslims now because they’re all trying to kill us are advocating an evil and immoral idea.
It is evil and immoral to kill Muslim children who don’t know anything about us or anything else. They’re just kids.
I’m not sure how we respond to this danger. But I do know that killing all Muslims like Hitler tried to do with the Jews is not an acceptable proposal.
The fact that I’m against killing all Muslims doesn’t mean I don’t recognize the threat coming from Islam.
SteveMG on January 28, 2009 at 12:27 PM
Destruction of any religion would basically require the killing of all believers. You might want to rethink your position there. Maybe you’re talking about destroying radical Islam?
MadisonConservative on January 28, 2009 at 12:27 PM
A chill wind blows across Hot Air for the Hassan Ngeze wannabe’s…
elgeneralisimo on January 28, 2009 at 12:27 PM
But we kill animals because they can’t control themselves. They are rabid or sick or aggressive. They have no free will.
When we kill animals, we don’t say that they have a moral sense. They don’t.
This cleric is a sick evil human. He is making choices and has free will. Sick choices.
In fact, he’s worse than an animal.
SteveMG on January 28, 2009 at 12:30 PM
SteveMG, I want you to know that I’m not trying to “pile on” or jump all over you–I am trying to converse with you. Tone is often lost online.
DrMagnolias on January 28, 2009 at 12:31 PM
Actually, I would have compunction. No compunction means I don’t care. I don’t like killing animals unless I have to. I would have no compunction about killing the guy in the video.
MadisonConservative on January 28, 2009 at 12:32 PM
“Hassan Ngeze”
Another Muslim responsible for genocide. What an ironic reference.
Beagle on January 28, 2009 at 12:34 PM
I’m responding to another poster who said we need to destroy Islam.
Even if we killed all current adherents to radical Islam (again, however we define that), we still have future generations who may be persuaded to embrace that extremism.
Obviously, the current generation who are attacking us (and other Muslims) must be killed. Or imprisoned.
But how do we prevent future generations of Islamists?
Somehow, someway we need to make radical Islam seen as heretical to Muslims. They need to reject it.
I’m not sure how to we can do that.
SteveMG on January 28, 2009 at 12:34 PM
Understood.
Often, an innocent statement is viewed as antagonistic or confrontational when it wasn’t meant that way.
SteveMG on January 28, 2009 at 12:35 PM
For someone who has been outraged that others are suggesting the “genocide” of Muslims (which is inaccurate for you to say because there is no such thing as an Islamic race), you’re sure making the argument for doing so. You’re suggesting first killing all the extremists, but then you make the claim that something needs to be done about the rest because they might be persuaded. While cold, the clinical, logical solution would be what you referred to as a “final solution”. You’re not sure how to solve it otherwise, but you still want the end result. You’re just getting upset at those who are solving for X.
MadisonConservative on January 28, 2009 at 12:41 PM
Here’s your dilemma, crybaby:
First you say
When you don’t practice selective reading, you see that, in fact, most are arguing with your method of “correcting them” – look at your language – I’m not sure who you think you are (but I can guess).
How does it feel to be treated the way you treat others?
If this is the only way you can defend innocents, I hope you would leave it to more capable defenders. But not being an insufferable self-righteous ass like you, I’m not going to tell allah to ban you, I’m just wishing you had the vision to see what you’re doing to your own cause.
Wow, how bloody good of you.
Shay on January 28, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Carpet bombing?
That’s rich. How about stop letting Somali (and other) jihadis into the nation as refugees? How many people are even aware that jihadis are granted asylum status all over the West because their home governments are smart enough to restrict their “religious freedom”? Crazy but true. The UK is particularly noted for bringing jihadis to their soil so they can exercise their ‘freedom’ to subjugate all non-Muslims to Muslim rule and sharia law.
Beagle on January 28, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Please, you’re mis-stating nearly all of my views.
You’ve said I wanted to ban everyone who disagrees with me.
False.
You’ve said my view that people who advocate a “Final Solution” against Muslims should be banned is as “frightening” as advocating the mass murder.
No.
You said I labled Islam a “race.”
No.
Finally, I advocated – which is what we are doing – killing or arresting those radical Islamists who are attacking us.
You know, the war against terror?
I did not argue for killing all Muslims. Just those Islamists waging war on us.
Second, I said that we must figure out a way to prevent future generations from embracing radical Islamist teachings or views so that they don’t attack us in the future and make us kill them.
I don’t want to kill future generations of Muslims. I want to somehow make radical Islam unattractive to them. I want to “destroy” those radical tenets.
If you can’t see the difference, I don’t know want to say.
SteveMG on January 28, 2009 at 1:07 PM
Should we use Hitler’s “Final Solution” against Muslims? Kill all of them? Women, children, infants?
That’s the topic. That’s what some posters have advocated.
SteveMG on January 28, 2009 at 1:10 PM
Here’s a new topic. I advocate ignoring SteveMG, the one note wonder.
CarolynM on January 28, 2009 at 1:14 PM
I see the difference. You don’t see the futility of what you’re suggesting, nor do you see the logical means to the end of what you’re claiming to seek. Don’t blow up at others for connecting the dots. You’re on a cardboard pedestal.
MadisonConservative on January 28, 2009 at 1:20 PM
Here piggie, piggie, piggie Mahdi! I’m sure any day now that fat bastard will return, and I’ll be happy to stick a sword (or whatever other antiquated weapon I can find) into his gut should he ever darken my doorstep.
I also agree with SteveMG, because we don’t label all muslims, not ALL muslims need to be exterminated, saying so is beneath conservatives, and advocating such is NOT what Michelle Malkin, AP or Ed allow on their site. Not so hard for me to understand.
Its unnecessary for all of you to be giving Steve crap, they are not his rules, they are the rules of HotAir.
Califemme on January 28, 2009 at 1:32 PM
Yeah, that was exactly the point I was making. NOT.
You are your own worst enemy.
And – You’re. Not. Doing. Those. You. Advocate. For. Any. Favors. Either.
But I guess nothing gets past your ego. You’re right, everyone else is wrong. That’s become the topic, that’s what you’ve made the topic into.
Your perception must be right, everybody here that had a problem with you was advocating Hitler’s Final Solution. You’re right.
There, do you feel better now? I sure hope so cause this is the last time I’m going to feed you.
Shay on January 28, 2009 at 1:34 PM
Actually, I used to agree with the other poster who said that all muslims should be exterminated, and my fave saying at the time was “Show me how to tell a good muslim from a bad muslim, and then I’ll relax”, and then I read Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Brigitte Gabriel, and American author Leon Uris (The Haj published in 1984, BEST book ever written that explains the palestinian side, which I ABSOLUTELY loved).
Amazing how easy it is to label a group of people as “bad” or in need of extermination… fast forward to the ruling party of 2009, and sure enough, they’d like nothing better than to label ALL Republicans as “bad, and in need of extermination”.
Califemme on January 28, 2009 at 1:41 PM
You obviously haven’t been following this thread.
Yes, everyone else who advocates the mass slaughter of all Muslims is wrong.
I am absolutely right that they are wrong.
And anyone who advocates Hitler’s “solution” for Muslims, should be banned from this site.
And kicked out of the conservative movement. Just as William F. Buckley kicked out the anti-semites and lunatics Birchers.
Full stop.
Did I say I was right? Yep, I’ll say it again.
I’m right that killing children and elderly people simply because of their religion is wrong and those who disagree are flatout incorrect.
Clear enough for you?
SteveMG on January 28, 2009 at 1:44 PM
I’d like 5 minutes alone with that verminous POS.
LimeyGeek on January 28, 2009 at 1:49 PM
It’s all about STEVE!
C’mon everbody climb aboard the STEEEEVE TRAIN!!
Unless you’re tired of the narcissism, in which case there’s a great post by Ed about the Challenger disaster. Don’t miss the Reagan video.
sloopy on January 28, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Though I’ve not followed all of the vitriol here concerning you, I will say that there are just some viewpoints(facts, really) that are inherently right.
There are some positions that will always be, well, right. Period.
Kinda like the point that there are some cultures that are just plain BAD & WRONG, no matter how you slice it.
So arguing FOR something truly bad (like female genital mutilation) is really like pi$$ing in the wind. It will never be the right thing to do.
Badger40 on January 28, 2009 at 1:52 PM
As I said in 5 or 6 posts, this cleric is evil and awful and sick.
And, as I said, if a Predator hit him right between the eyes with a missile, I’d be happy (kind of a waster of a good missile, though).
If you interpret that as being “fond” of someone, you have an odd definition of fondness.
Other than those errors, you’re clearly a brilliant poster with a amazing command of logic and facts and the English language.
SteveMG on January 28, 2009 at 1:54 PM
Right, because I’m not supposed to respond to attacks or people asking me questions?
If I didn’t respond, the same people would be calling me a coward or saying I ran away.
The advocates of murder on this site are deeply disturbing.
AP and Ed have tried to rein them in but I guess they can’t control all of the extremists.
SteveMG on January 28, 2009 at 1:57 PM
In medieval times, people created fairy tales and magical creatures to make sense of their world. One of the most endearing is the unicorn, a horse with a single horn that symbolized purity and wholesomeness. In our modern times, people in Europe and the United States consider themselves more sophisticated and rational than people from the Middle Ages, but we still create myths, albeit more subtle ones.
Daily we hear reports of violent acts committed by Islamic terrorists on every inhabited continent. We try to wish it away with the myth of the ‘Moderate Muslim’, telling ourselves the Islamic agenda has been’ hijacked’ by a ‘tiny minority of extremists’ and that soon the huge, silent, moderate majority of Muslims will take charge and change things. However, post 9/11 very few Muslims have condemned terrorist actions. We are still waiting for moderates to stand and deliver, identifying and removing extremist thugs from their mosques and their communities. Waiting for this self-correction is our modern version of searching for unicorns.
Moderate Muslims will not be able to wrest control of the agenda for several reasons. First of all, Mohammed, the Messenger of Allah’s eternal word, was not moderate. No moderate can legitimately tell another Muslim to stop doing the extremist things Mohammed himself did. Also, the Qur’an condones violence and coercion to further the Islamic agenda. People whom we call moderates are labeled hypocrites by Allah Himself in the Qur’an. Moderates will always lose the argument because, as ex-Muslim author Ibn Warraq says, “There may be moderates in Islam but Islam itself is not moderate.”
Islamic expert Daniel Pipes and others estimate ten percent of the Islamic world to be militant. In 1933 when the Nazi party took control of Germany it had 2 million members, comprising only three percent of Germany’s sixty-six million citizens. A tiny minority of extremists can control a vast number of moderates, making them irrelevant.
Placing hope in ‘The Moderate Muslim’ is like searching for unicorns in the forest.
- A_Plague_on_Both_Houses (JihadWatch)
MB4 on January 28, 2009 at 1:59 PM
Your continued vile and simultaneous preening with your wreath of thorns grows ever more tiresome.
MB4 on January 28, 2009 at 2:05 PM
The scariest thing about this guy is that he isn’t raging as if he’s some fanatic. he’s speaking in a calm, cerebra;, collected tone as if what he’s saying is mainstream and acceptable.
This isn’t like the Mullah Omar ranting videos. This guy really, truly does believe this stuff.
How can you watch starved people being thrown only iron platforms and pushed by tractors and say “this is what Muslims should do to the Jews, if only they weren’t so weak.”
Bone-chilling.
BKennedy on January 28, 2009 at 2:06 PM
When I, a thoughtful and unblessed Presbyterian, examine the Koran, I know that beyond any question every Mohammedan is insane, not in all things, but in religious matters. I cannot prove to him that he is insane, because you never can prove anything to a lunatic — for that is a part of his insanity and the evidence of it.
- Mark Twain
MB4 on January 28, 2009 at 2:11 PM
Speaking of Islam and terrorism, if you’d like a real eye-opener search any online Quran for the world “terror” or the words “strike terror”.
And *bam* then you begin to get why the entire Muslim clerical class seems to be more violent than isolation at a supermax.
Hitler just dovetails nicely with their existing beliefs.
Beagle on January 28, 2009 at 2:12 PM
You’re absolutely without question the last person on this site that I give a hoot about.
You’re a perfect example of the the sick people who have infested the conservative movement.
If Buckley were here, he’d say to you, “Go, in the name of decency, go!”
SteveMG on January 28, 2009 at 2:18 PM
My collie says:
What you are looking at here is a bonafide, genuine case of demon possession. Dismiss it or deny it at your own peril.
CyberCipher on January 28, 2009 at 2:45 PM
Ironic that with Abu Ghraib islamic radicals were outraged and even most of the western world was wringing their hands about it, but when the humiliation is intesified 10 fold and directed against jews the islamics are celebrating it with a “praise Allah”.
Sad thing about the comparison is that Abu Ghraib was the bad behavior of a few rogue a$$holes in the prison, where the Holocaust was a systemic movement through the entire Nazi party.
Scrappy on January 28, 2009 at 3:05 PM
Perhaps Obama can change their minds with some face-to-face diplomacy, STAT! You know, the kind without preconditions…
Wyznowski on January 28, 2009 at 3:22 PM
You are going to choke on your hate.
MB4 on January 28, 2009 at 3:45 PM
Nothing will change until the west grasps that Muslims themselves only respect strength and despise weakness. Of course that goes against our Christian upbringing and that’s why we continue to think that we can win hearts and minds among Muslims with compassion.
The opposite is the case. Their hearts and minds are with the victorious – that’s what Allah tells them. Their ethics in terms of which they order their hearts and minds – are nothing like what westerners, raised in the Christian faith, understand by the term “hearts and minds”.
Islam does not teach the same sort of compassion for the other that virtually every other religion including today’s “secular humanism” teaches. Muslims murder and torture each other without compunction and their own ummah, “brotherhood” has no condemnation to offer. That’s because they don’t value INDIVIDUAL human life the way we Christian westerners do. It’s not a concept in Islam – which means it’s not a concept in Muslims “hearts and minds”. Their hearts and minds instead understand what Allah teaches them in the Koran – namely, the Collective Will to Power.
When will our leaders understand this? And moreover understand that it is necessary in the end to be “cruel to be kind”, to treat Muslims in the way they themselves understand moral principles? Which ultimately means that they must be beaten back and vanquished and humiliated by a greater strength?
That is clearly what they understand. Every move to win their hearts and minds that strengthens them, merely emboldens them to advance their own peculiar ethics of the world, which couldn’t give a damn about “hearts and minds”, as we understand the term. They will accept the shehada from anyone they can swindle and connive to recite it while at the same time are willing to kill anyone who leaves Islam. Whatever it takes to build the army of Islamic soldiers is what their ethics is about.
But how is it being kind to people to pander to their immaturity and self-deception and base impulses towards power?
Certainly no mature human being would suggest that one should pander to the primitive intellectual, emotional and moral sensibilities of a two-year old? A 2-year old understands the will to power through aggression only. But by the same token a 2-year old also thoroughly understands limitations that he simply has no power to transgress. That’s ultimately what a 2-year old understands.
And that’s basically what we’re dealing with here – 2-year olds – from an intellectual perspective, from a moral perspective, and mostly from a behavioral perspective -except it happens to be 2 year olds armed with AK-47’s (weapons they could never have invented for themselves, being 2-year olds, but the fact is that now they’ve got their hands on them!).
There is no way of avoiding the reality that the adults in this world are going to have to act like adults and step up and slap – in a big big way – Muslims who have made of their own societies the equivalent of “Lord of the Flies” and who now threaten to overrun every more advanced society with their mayhem.
“It’s cruel to be kind” is going to have to be the anthem of the future relations between the West and Islam. We’re going to have to come to terms with that fact. Either that – or it’s simply going to be cruel for all of us, with no kindness in sight, and possibly no one left to come and rescue us off an Island from hell that in our passivity and cowardice we allowed to be taken over by moral and intellectual pygmies with very, very big guns.
- Caroline (JihadWatch)
MB4 on January 28, 2009 at 4:07 PM
SteveMG
I just checked in and what the heck am I supposed to think? At HotAir advocating for or even simply blessing the deaths of millions and millions of people is considered no big deal? But suggesting someone should be banned is an atrocity? Of course they aren’t attacking the one who did the actual banning, just the one who suggested it, I can’t imagine why.
It as if commenters here are attempting to prove the liberal’s stereotypes of conservatives. And they’re doing a really good job of it.
29Victor on January 28, 2009 at 6:26 PM
Yet another thread I have to close because commenters simply can’t contain their uglier impulses. Sometimes I wish we didn’t have comments.
Allahpundit on January 28, 2009 at 8:00 PM
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