Good news: Iran to be nuke-capable this year, says think tank

posted at 2:10 pm on January 27, 2009 by Allahpundit

I laughed when Drudge put the siren up for this, not because the news is predictable but because the think tank that issued the report actually has been predicting it for years. How slow has this slow-motion trainwreck been? May 2006: IISS pronounces Iranian nukes “inevitable.” January 2007: IISS warns that Iran could have the bomb in two years. May 2007: IISS describes how Iran’s built its own nuclear black market, one which, if the Times of London is to be believed, is now suddenly running low on yellowcake. Too late, alas:

Iran will have enough enriched uranium to make a single nuclear weapon later this year, the prestigious International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) predicts…

However, the survey reports doubts over US Intelligence estimates that Iran halted its work on nuclear weapons six years ago.

This points to Tehran’s continued development of long-range ballistic missiles able to reach targets in Israel and beyond.

The IISS recommends a mixture of carrot and stick as the best international response.

The boldfaced part is, of course, a reference to the garbage NIE that tied Bush’s hands by claiming Iran no longer had a weapons program, even while the classified version acknowledged suspicions that they had fully a dozen or so covert nuclear sites that had never been visited by inspectors. Now it’s The One’s mess, and while we keep hearing about carrots, we don’t hear so much about sticks. Here’s the most significant exchange from his otherwise Bushian Al-Arabiya interview. What’s missing?

Q Will the United States ever live with a nuclear Iran? And if not, how far are you going in the direction of preventing it?

THE PRESIDENT: You know, I said during the campaign that it is very important for us to make sure that we are using all the tools of U.S. power, including diplomacy, in our relationship with Iran.

Now, the Iranian people are a great people, and Persian civilization is a great civilization. Iran has acted in ways that’s not conducive to peace and prosperity in the region: their threats against Israel; their pursuit of a nuclear weapon which could potentially set off an arms race in the region that would make everybody less safe; their support of terrorist organizations in the past — none of these things have been helpful.

But I do think that it is important for us to be willing to talk to Iran, to express very clearly where our differences are, but where there are potential avenues for progress. And we will over the next several months be laying out our general framework and approach. And as I said during my inauguration speech, if countries like Iran are willing to unclench their fist, they will find an extended hand from us.

Not so much as a perfunctory “Iranian nukes are unacceptable.” In fact, Reuel Marc Gerecht pleads with Leon Panetta today in WaPo to beef up the CIA’s Iran intelligence, not in the expectation that it’ll stop Iranian nukes but in the belief that those nukes are now unstoppable and that we’d better get good at containment fast. Exit question: Do we dare start a pool for when news first breaks that Iran’s got the bomb? I’m guessing October.

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That won’t help Michelle’s kids when the primaries roll around.

BadgerHawk on January 27, 2009 at 2:13 PM

It’s OK, guys.

King Obama will talk to them and reason with them and everything will be ok.

Iran will soon be singing Kumbaya with Israel, because the Messiah is now in charge.

bigred on January 27, 2009 at 2:13 PM

Erm, or the mid-terms, even.

BadgerHawk on January 27, 2009 at 2:13 PM

This points to Tehran’s continued development of long-range ballistic missiles able to reach targets in Israel and beyond.

Don’t wait for Obambi to help you out, Israel, do what ya gotta do.

Tony737 on January 27, 2009 at 2:15 PM

Do we dare start a pool for when news first breaks that Iran’s got the bomb? I’m guessing October.

I hope our first clue isn’t a mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv.

SailorDave on January 27, 2009 at 2:16 PM

The Presidential response:

Uh, well, all of us know that this is an important development … uh … and an important matter. Rest assured that … uh … uh … rest assured that both the American and Iranian positions will be … uh … considered … and that the desire for … uh … peace … will … uh … be something that the world can … uh … uh … grasp in an attempt to … uh … resolve this matter.

OhEssYouCowboys on January 27, 2009 at 2:17 PM

Don’t wait for Obambi to help you out, Israel, do what ya gotta do.

Tony737 on January 27, 2009 at 2:15 PM

As it should be. Its not our responsibility to hold Israels hand. They have a strong military and can take care of themselves

offroadaz on January 27, 2009 at 2:18 PM

The question is not
Will the United States ever live with a nuclear Iran?

The question is can Barry get re-elected with a nuclear Iran?

That is all he and his drones really care about.

RobCon on January 27, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Translation: I will dither until Iran finally announces they have the bomb and then we will just have to accept them as an equal partner for peace in the region.

Bishop on January 27, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Dialogue will save us.

JammieWearingFool on January 27, 2009 at 2:20 PM

The boldfaced part is, of course, a reference to the garbage NIE that tied Bush’s hands by claiming Iran no longer had a weapons program, even while the classified version acknowledged suspicions that they had fully a dozen or so covert nuclear sites that had never been visited by inspectors.

They’ll still blame Bush. Even though the “intelligence professionals” were trying to stick it to him. It willl be “his” NIE. Just another “mess” that Biden will say they inherited.

Wethal on January 27, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Will someone wake up the Jews who voted for The One? And ask them to contact the Muslim in Chief?

Will someone notice that the IISS found U. S. intelligence estimates faulty? Let us get Robert Greenwald or The New York Times to nail down the obvious link to President Bush or Vice President Chaney in these mistakes or, um….lies.

IlikedAUH2O on January 27, 2009 at 2:22 PM

What? Nobody came back with a variation on “Gird your loins”?? I’m so disappointed.

anniekc on January 27, 2009 at 2:26 PM

none of these things have been helpful.

Somehow, this one statement exemplifies P.BO for me.
I expect to hear it, in one form or another, over and over.

Count to 10 on January 27, 2009 at 2:26 PM

everyone who peddled the 2007 NIE should bee in jail.

rob verdi on January 27, 2009 at 2:27 PM

their support of terrorist organizations in the past

Whats changed Barry?

Death to AmeriKa!

dmann on January 27, 2009 at 2:27 PM

Why does Iran need a nuke. I thought when Obama became president, the birds would chirp louder, the sun would shine brighter, and the world would love us.

Looks like the world is just going to bend us over and nuke us.

Fan-effin-tastic!

HornetSting on January 27, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Don’t wait for Obambi to help you out, Israel, do what ya gotta do.

Yeah, except they’d have to fly over Iraq. That means we might as well have struck. Doubt Obama would allow that. The way Israel goes, so goes the United States.

Free Constitution on January 27, 2009 at 2:28 PM

I want this MAN back!

james hooker on January 27, 2009 at 2:29 PM

I hope our first clue isn’t a mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv.

SailorDave on January 27, 2009 at 2:16 PM

Or over one of our own cities! The left will not wake up to the reality of the threats we face from Iran and Islamo-fascism in general until it’s too late, and even then they will probably blame the US, Bush, et al for the mushroom cloud!

Gird your loins everyone, things are about to get worse as we will be less safe now that Obambi is in charge!

Liberty or Death on January 27, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Funny story. One of the think tank’s council members is Dennis Blair, Barack Obama’s Director of National Intelligence.

amerpundit on January 27, 2009 at 2:31 PM

glad I don’t live in NY or DC!!

but hey let the libs get what they voted for…Hope and radiation..

right4life on January 27, 2009 at 2:31 PM

Gird your loins everyone

I do that already, now I have a reason. Yay!

Bishop on January 27, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Bishop on January 27, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Heh…funny!

Liberty or Death on January 27, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Translation: I will dither until Iran finally announces they have the bomb and then we will just have to accept them as an equal partner for peace in the region.

Bishop on January 27, 2009 at 2:18 PM

That’s been de facto U.S. policy for many years.

Iran will have a deliverable nuclear device, and neither the U.S. nor Israel is going to stop it. The best we can do is to make clear to the Iranian people the consequences if their government ever uses such a device, or sales it for use.

paul006 on January 27, 2009 at 2:35 PM

rob verdi on January 27, 2009 at 2:27 PM

That NIE wasn’t so bad in its entirety, it is what was released to the public, which tied Bush’s hands and gave the green light to Iran. The damage is done though, and a nuclear Iran is something we will have to live with.

Not even Bush would go to war with Iran. One Israeli strike will not solve the problem, and will likely start a war where we cannot claim ignorance where we will be struck in retaliation. Excuse me for being a bit of a realist.

Free Constitution on January 27, 2009 at 2:37 PM

The damage is done though, and a nuclear Iran is something we will have to live with.

well if you live in NY or DC you may not have to live with it for TOO long….

right4life on January 27, 2009 at 2:39 PM

Yeah, so far I am really looking forward to the rest of Obama’s presidency. Economic collapse, Nuclear Iran, Euro-Socialism, Illegal Immigration, An emergent Russia, and Obama’s brilliant speeches. Good times.

Kronos on January 27, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Waffles will send unicorns and skittles to Dinnerjacket, and all will be love, peace and harmony. I mean, how could he possibly screw this up?

wccawa on January 27, 2009 at 2:44 PM

well if you live in NY or DC you may not have to live with it for TOO long….

Sadly, perhaps. But we did it with the USSR, China, Pakistan and India, NoKo now, and a few other allies. All it will take is another A Q Khan and we’re going to start this mess all over again.

Free Constitution on January 27, 2009 at 2:45 PM

james hooker on January 27, 2009 at 2:29 PM

I appreciated that video and song … Thanks.

ORrighty on January 27, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Lurd your goins!

Itchee Dryback on January 27, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Free Constitution on January 27, 2009

If I remember, all those nations had leaders that wanted to go on living. They weren’t actively seeking the apocalypse.

SKYFOX on January 27, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Barry won’t let that happen. Remember he said “That would be unacceptable. It would be a game changer”

You don’t think he was just saying that to con people sitting on the fence to vote for him??

Itchee Dryback on January 27, 2009 at 2:53 PM

Great jobs Dumbasscrats, on behalf of our enemies you’ve effectively neutralized America as a potent force for the defense of western civilization, when the world needed it most to fight the greatest scourge against humanity-Islam. Not only that you’ve installed a pro-Islamic, anti-American stooge in the most powerful job as well, thus making the resistance to Islamification ten times more difficult.

Its also nice to see the once great western powers (Europe) are now a laughing stock of the world cowering under their desks and giving in to Islamic bullying and thuggery, while they jettison their hard-won freedoms and territory without so much as a struggle or protest. I guess not offending the raging and rioting muslim barbarian hordes means more to them than losing their civilization. (I mean the leaders not the common folk who are aware but powerless).

So it falls on Israel to prevent a future nuclear jihad and they might not be able to do much either to prevent this terrible possibility. While there’s still some time to turn things around, it appears we’re on a slow but vicious downward spiral to oblivion.

thinkagain on January 27, 2009 at 2:55 PM

I just sent a $500 tattoo gram to Pelosi. It’s only redeemable if she gets a bullseye on her sphincter.

marklmail on January 27, 2009 at 2:58 PM

Ogabe campaigned for President, surely he has the chops to deal with the world’s thugs and tyrants.

Bishop on January 27, 2009 at 2:59 PM

Michigan Rep. Peter Hoekstra, the ranking Republican on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, tells Newsmax that a strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities would be “very, very difficult.”

He also said other nations in the Middle East are “very afraid” of a nuclear-armed Iran.

Prepare for Containment II: Nuclear Boogaloo.

The only thing that comforts me is that all Iran needs is the capability to make nukes, not the nuke itself. That way they have plausible deniability, but command respect from the world.

Unfortunately I think their pride will require a nuclear test, which will result in either war or more likely an arms race in arguably the most unstable region of the world where all of the major powers’ interests are tied up.

Free Constitution on January 27, 2009 at 3:00 PM

Good..let’s get it over with….There might just be enough people with a sack left in our government to do something about it…

BigWyo on January 27, 2009 at 3:01 PM

SKYFOX on January 27, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Don’t believe everything you hear on talk radio. I doubt the Iranians are truly suicidal.

Free Constitution on January 27, 2009 at 3:01 PM

One Israeli strike will not solve the problem, and will likely start a war where we cannot claim ignorance where we will be struck in retaliation. Excuse me for being a bit of a realist.

Yeah, they said that when the Israelis struck Iraq and Syria too, and never happened.

I suspect logistics are stopping the IAF from flying to Tehran and bombing the crap out of the nuclear facility. Not fear of starting a region wide war.

The fact is once Iran gets its greasy little hands on a nuke, they will launch it towards Israel. And if it hits ol’ Iraq, I doubt Ahmadinejad would give a rip. Then we’re to the Samson option again.

mjk on January 27, 2009 at 3:03 PM

I’m sure that Hillary! and The Chosen One will save the situation thru STRONG diplomacy and DIALOGUE.

In the meantime, the Israeli’s will save everyone’s ass.

Thanks, Dumocrats.

GarandFan on January 27, 2009 at 3:03 PM

THE PRESIDENT: You know, I said during the campaign that it is very important for us to make sure that we are using all the tools of U.S. power, including diplomacy, in our relationship with Iran.

I can say one thing for sure. All of the TOOLS in power in the US government are all over this.

*gag*

BigWyo on January 27, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Go do another interview H, that will convince them.

WisCon on January 27, 2009 at 3:04 PM

What the dumbass Dimocrats fail to acknowledge is that the Iranians don’t develop weapons that they don’t INTEND to use. If they want an example, check with Saadam, the Kurds and poison gas.

GarandFan on January 27, 2009 at 3:06 PM

mjk on January 27, 2009 at 3:03 PM

That opportunity has come and gone. So are you willing to bet money Iran is making the same mistakes Syria and Iraq did? Nevermind the fact it’s been in the works for years longer than either of those two had. And nevermind the fact that Israel would have to drag us into it if they flew over Iraq to do such a thing.

Free Constitution on January 27, 2009 at 3:07 PM

thinkagain on January 27, 2009 at 2:55 PM

++

the_nile on January 27, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Will someone wake up the Jews who voted for The One? And ask them to contact the Muslim in Chief?

Why would they care?…They don’t live there. That’s the only thing I can come up with.

BigWyo on January 27, 2009 at 3:09 PM

There is no show down here. When Iran announces that they have a nuclear device, The Obama administration will sit down with them, and clearly express our differences. Ahmadinejad will then say ‘Death to the great Satan’, and The Obama administration will attempt to negotiate a plea bargain, to a lessor sentence, probably money.

What’s the problem here? Iran will threaten us with nukes, and we’ll pay the extortion. That’s how the world works.

Europe wants to buy NatGas from Putin, and Putin says ‘heres the deal’, and Europe pays. Whats the problem?

Skandia Recluse on January 27, 2009 at 3:09 PM

I doubt the Iranians are truly suicidal.

Free Constitution on January 27, 2009 at 3:01 PM

I don’t think bombing Israel by Iran is the fear. Although it would really complicate dealing with Iran by any country, the danger is them working with proxies. The damage could be done with no solid evidence that it was Irans doing, making any retaliation difficult.

A near perfect situation of Iran.

Itchee Dryback on January 27, 2009 at 3:09 PM

Don’t believe everything you hear on talk radio. I doubt the Iranians are truly suicidal.

Free Constitution on January 27, 2009 at 3:01 PM

They’re not muslim , right..

the_nile on January 27, 2009 at 3:09 PM

This isn’t just about Iran. If they are successful, look for SA, Egypt, Turkey and most of the other players to start ginning up. Hell, even Iraq will probably buy some centrifuges. Iran’s success means an instant escalation of nuclear efforts in many Muslim countries. How long do you think they can all can be contained, once they have the bomb? It in no way will resemble the old Cold War.

a capella on January 27, 2009 at 3:10 PM

Just today:

–Iran’s government spokesman on Tuesday branded the Holocaust a “big lie” created to place the Islamic republic’s arch-foe Israel in the Middle East, the state IRNA news agency reported.–

That’s it, President Ogabe, have a sit down with these morons to discuss things.

Bishop on January 27, 2009 at 3:10 PM

I don’t think bombing Israel by Iran is the fear. Although it would really complicate dealing with Iran by any country, the danger is them working with proxies. The damage could be done with no solid evidence that it was Irans doing, making any retaliation difficult.

A near perfect situation of Iran.

Itchee Dryback on January 27, 2009 at 3:09 PM

It’s a Box of worms.

the_nile on January 27, 2009 at 3:12 PM

the_nile on January 27, 2009 at 3:09 PM

This is why I don’t comment here much. Why don’t you go showcase your ignorance where it won’t affect the credibility of a decent blog.

Free Constitution on January 27, 2009 at 3:13 PM

I don’t think bombing Israel by Iran is the fear. Although it would really complicate dealing with Iran by any country, the danger is them working with proxies. The damage could be done with no solid evidence that it was Irans doing, making any retaliation difficult.

Agreed, but I think that threat is less the case than Iran using a nuke for more traditional purposes, like a better negotiating position, and deterrence.

Free Constitution on January 27, 2009 at 3:16 PM

Iran will be more than happy to talk with Obama, that’s how these people buy more time to develop and re-supply their military to gain the advantage. How many times does this have to happen before we wise up. Isn’t this strategy outlined in the Koran.

Lets see, chapter 13, page 34, Title: Getting your a$$ kicked in battle – When you are loosing the battle, tell your enemy all you want is peace, sign a peace agreement (length of time not important, because you can break the peace treaty anytime you want) continue developing nukes or resupply your rockets. When you have enough nukes / rockets start the war over, if things don’t go well sign another peace agreement.

give me a break ….

Badbrucskie on January 27, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Since Iran wants the bomb, let’s give them one or two.

Johan Klaus on January 27, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Agreed, but I think that threat is less the case than Iran using a nuke for more traditional purposes, like a better negotiating position, and deterrence.

Free Constitution on January 27, 2009 at 3:16 PM

Iran is a terrorist country and I think that they would be more than willing to supply other terrorist with nukes.

Johan Klaus on January 27, 2009 at 3:34 PM

The question is can Barry get re-elected with a nuclear Iran?

That is all he and his drones really care about.

RobCon on January 27, 2009 at 2:18 PM

answer is yes; many of the idiot libs I have spoken with become indignant when you suggest to them that the U.S. can’t allow Iran to have a nuke. “Who are we to tell them what to do?” they shriek…

max1 on January 27, 2009 at 3:41 PM

I used to think Iran wanted a nuke to expand it’s cod piece and deter the great Satan. On learning of the 12th Imam and who is promoting the whole idea, I realized that as soon a Iran has a viable weapon, it won’t even let the paint dry on it before it is sent.

BL@KBIRD on January 27, 2009 at 3:42 PM

It’s a done deal. Iran will be nuclear and it looks like Israel will live with it. Are the Iranians suicidal? Maybe the 20 something car bomber is. But the old foggies who run the regime are certainly not. Their own directive is to survive in power for as long as possible. Ideology is something for the youngsters to choke on. The old bastards could care less. They have their power, their wealth, their women, their wine and song. And that is the way they want to keep it.

Giving the bomb to al qaeda would not be in their interests either. The bomb material can be traced. It has a fingerprint, but more importantly, regimes, especially muslim regimes, are paranoid of each other. With a weapon of such destructiveness, they wouldn’t dare let it out of their possession for fear it would come back on them. Terrorists are not predictable, nor can they be trusted even by other muslims. The hatreds and fears and infighting in that culture is so pervasive, they don’t trust anybody outside their own clan. They certainly wouldn’t trust anyone with their bomb.

When Iran gets the bomb, the regime will use it for domestic propaganda purposes, for regional clout with other muslim states, and for leverage in any negotiations. With a bomb, Iran will now get the international respect Pakistan has and will be able to bill itself to the muslim world as the vanguard of islam. That alone is motive enough for them to seek out the bomb.

keep the change on January 27, 2009 at 3:53 PM

I used to think Iran wanted a nuke to expand it’s cod piece and deter the great Satan. On learning of the 12th Imam and who is promoting the whole idea, I realized that as soon a Iran has a viable weapon, it won’t even let the paint dry on it before it is sent.

BL@KBIRD on January 27, 2009 at 3:42 PM

To those who do not believe that Iran and the Mullahs will not use a nuke as soon as they have one haven’t been paying very close attention.

thomasaur on January 27, 2009 at 3:56 PM

That alone is motive enough for them to seek out the bomb.

keep the change on January 27, 2009 at 3:53 PM

I strongly disagree. I believe the decision makers in Iran are true believers in Islam. They will use the bomb to eliminate Israel first, then consider using it for political reasons. Mark my words, the first time we are sure Iran does indeed have the bomb is when we see video images of mushroom clouds over Tel Aviv. And Obama will blame Bush yet again.

stonemeister on January 27, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Re-posting for effect:

That alone is motive enough for them to seek out the bomb.

keep the change on January 27, 2009 at 3:53 PM

I strongly disagree. I believe the decision makers in Iran are true believers in Islam. They will use the bomb to eliminate Israel first, then consider using it for political reasons. Mark my words, the first time we are sure Iran does indeed have the bomb is when we see video images of mushroom clouds over Tel Aviv. And Obama will blame Bush yet again.

stonemeister on January 27, 2009 at 3:58 PM

glad I don’t live in NY or DC!!

but hey let the libs get what they voted for…Hope and radiation..

right4life on January 27, 2009 at 2:31 PM

Thanks. I just happen to live in NYC, less than a mile from where the Twin Towers stood, and I did NOT vote for Obomber! Just praying for a miracle now.

J.J. Sefton on January 27, 2009 at 4:03 PM

Just praying for a miracle now.

J.J. Sefton on January 27, 2009 at 4:03 PM

I would say ‘ don’t worry, obama will wave his holy hands, and it’ll be ok’ but you obviously know better…

maybe pray AND move!!

right4life on January 27, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Mark my words…
stonemeister on January 27, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Ok. You’re probably wrong. Why would anyone send all of their power up in flames with Tel Aviv? They could get a lot more out of not using it.

Free Constitution on January 27, 2009 at 4:41 PM

As it should be. Its not our responsibility to hold Israels hand. They have a strong military and can take care of themselves

offroadaz on January 27, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Just so that things are clear America IS holding Israel’s hands, holding them and tying them – but I like how you reverse reality here. Just so that we are all clear if Israel goes it alone while the US withholds any and all support that is needed and we fail in the task, America will be dragged into the world war like it or not. It seems to me that is a losing proposition, america should be not ‘holding hands’ but ensuring that its ally’s moves are successful against a COMMON enemy. You make it seem like Israel is asking the US to do all the work, when in fact your losing strategy will ensure just that eventually. You should wake up, or practice playing checkers more imho…

saus on January 27, 2009 at 4:45 PM

Ok. You’re probably wrong. Why would anyone send all of their power up in flames with Tel Aviv? They could get a lot more out of not using it.

Free Constitution on January 27, 2009 at 4:41 PM

It will turn out they waited until they had built up an arsenal of several bombs. They will use some on Israel, enough to kill off the majority of the Jewish population, and hold back the rest for political power. And the world (the US?) will express surprise and horror.

And it will happen very soon, and we will all be caught off guard. I dread some of the excuses, some of which will make light of the “inevitability” of the death of the Jews, and how the Jews brought in on themselves.

stonemeister on January 27, 2009 at 4:48 PM

I believe the decision makers in Iran are true believers in Islam.

Ever wonder why there are no suicide bombers over the age of 30 – indeed why most of them are 18-25? Because even in a muslim country, the nihilism of islam is only the opium for the young and impressionable. The old men are in it for power and they seek only one thing – to maintain power until their last breath. Khomeini was 87 when he died. He could have blown himself up for allah a million times had he wanted to in those 87 years. He didn’t. The same could be said for the mullahs that surround the ayatollah. As far as Amadinejad is concerned, he is just a hand puppet. He’s the bad cop in a good cop/bad cop routine.

The Saudi ruling class, for example, is very extreme with their form of islam, but behind closed doors, the clothes come off, they booze starts flowing, the hookers join them and it’s party time. It’s the worst kept secret in the Middle East. The strictness and radical pronouncements of islamic leaders are to control the masses and appease the extremists, in order to keep the regime in power. They saw what happened to the Shah.

Don’t think for a second that any of those old geezers take that 12th imam thing seriously. If they did, they would have been dead decades ago. They only way to survive and to make it to the top in any regime is to be cunning, pragmatic, merciless, and totally self-absorbed with your own position and self-interest. These are not the men who do stupid things. They may be evil, but stupid and suicidal they are not.

keep the change on January 27, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Short comment: looks like Obama will get his wish

Long comment here.

petertheslow on January 27, 2009 at 5:31 PM

keep the change on January 27, 2009 at 4:54 PM

So what is suicidal about nuking Israel? They will be heroes to the Islamic world, France, Germany, and the UN. And they will be protected by them.

stonemeister on January 27, 2009 at 5:33 PM

The Israelis will stall Iran’s nuke program and launch against them, and would probably (force) Syria as a base, sending bombers over the northern (Kurdish) part of Iraq. If the U.S. truly wished to overtly aid Israel in this, we would seize control of Hormuz and the Iranian oil rigs/production, obliterate what passes for the Iranian Navy, destroy command and control defense systems and power generation facilities. To keep costs down, we should fight a non-”pc” war, furthermore not assisting the rebuilding of Iran.

trl on January 27, 2009 at 7:03 PM

The first nukes in Iran may be made in Israel.

Can anyone have any confidence that Iranian nukes will not go to their allies in Gaza and Lebanon to be put on rockets launced into Israel? For Israel not to act will be simply acquiescing to a 2nd holocaust.

KW64 on January 27, 2009 at 9:24 PM

KW64 on January 27, 2009 at 9:24 PM

Iran’s nukes would be huge…at least the first ones. Remember fat man and little boy? They were the size of a small car. Too much for Gaza. But there are many other ways to truck one in.

stonemeister on January 27, 2009 at 11:56 PM

So what is suicidal about nuking Israel?

A devastating nuclear counterstrike by a nation with a much larger and more potent nuclear capability. The end of the current Iranian regime.

keep the change on January 28, 2009 at 12:24 AM

Everyone thinks Iran will nuke israel. I’m not so sure about that. Jeruselem is as holy to islam as it is to christianity and judiasm (although military bases in the desert aren’t)

My fear is that achmawhackjob will use his nukes on

1. A european city
2. The Us
3. As an EMP weapon (Supposedly the launch trajectory of some iranian missiles are consistent with an EMP strike)
4. against russia or china to try to trick them into hitting the US

As far as him having weapons grade material I still have to wonder about that Iranian ship where it was supposedly carrying ore but the pirates that seized it started having their hair fall out, their skin fall off and death. That would be consistent with a flux from putting seperate pieces together to reach critical mass.

But, don’t worry, as obamamamadingdonga said “Iran is just a tiny country”…. I’m sure once THE ONE has tea with Achmanutcase, then everything will be hunky dory and no nukes will ever be used.. Yessiree, Forget about the need for Potassium Iodate.. nothing to see, move along.

I’m also sure that the 1st lieutenant he put in charge of the CIA will be right on top of things… Boy I feel good.

/sarc

bullseye on January 28, 2009 at 12:37 AM

And us with an overextended military force, flat-out traitorous media, a populace where the average IQ is in the double digits and a mongrel clown as President.

It’s going to be up to somebody else to stop the Mad Mullahs this time around…if indeed anyone has the will to. Or even can for that matter.

Dark-Star on January 28, 2009 at 10:22 AM

As I understand it (and I could have it all wrong) there is still a fair amount of ill-feeling between some people in Iran and some people in Iraq.

Iran might want nuclear weapons, or to be believed to have them, simply to be able to persuade Iraq against any future aggression.

Also a nuclear capable Iran will be able to continue their conventional weapons-testing program (AKA their proxy conflict against Israel) with less of a chance that Israel will retailiate with a nuclear first-stroke against Iran — since there will be the possibility of Iran retaliating with a nuclear weapon delivered to Israel from Lebanon or the Gaza strip.

YiZhangZhe on January 28, 2009 at 10:48 AM