Update: Coach fired for un-apologizing after 100-0 win

posted at 4:20 pm on January 26, 2009 by Allahpundit

The exciting conclusion to Friday’s inexplicably popular post about the school apologizing for a win that wasn’t very “Christ-like.”

The coach of a Texas high school basketball team that beat another team 100-0 was fired Sunday, the same day he sent an e-mail to a newspaper saying he will not apologize “for a wide-margin victory when my girls played with honor and integrity.”

Kyle Queal, the headmaster for Covenant School, said in The Dallas Morning News online edition that he could not answer if the firing was a direct result of coach Micah Grimes’ e-mail disagreeing with administrators who called the blowout “shameful.”…

A parent who attended the game said Covenant continued to make 3-pointers — even in the fourth quarter. She praised the Covenant players but said spectators and an assistant coach were cheering wildly as their team edged closer to 100 points.

Covenant was up 59-0 at halftime.

Would Jesus be chucking threes in the fourth quarter up 85 points? The coach asks himself and answers … yes:

The Apology. In response to the statement posted on The Covenant School Website, I respectfully disagree with the apology, especially the notion that the Covenant School girls basketball team should feel “embarrassed” or “ashamed”. We played the game as it was meant to be played and would not intentionally run up the score on any opponent. Although a wide-margin victory is never evidence of compassion, my girls played with honor and integrity and showed respect to Dallas Academy. We honor God, ourselves, and our families when we step on the court to compete. I do no wish to forfeit the game. What kind of example does it set for our children? Do we really want to punish Covenant School girls? Does forfeiting really help Dallas Academy girls? We experienced a blowout almost 4 years ago and it was painful, but it made us who we are today. I believe in the lessons that sports teach us. Competition builds character, and teaches us to value selflessness, hard work, and perseverance. As a coach, I have instilled in my girls these values. So if I lose my job over these statements, I will walk away with my integrity.

His girls played with “honor” by straining to hit 100 points against a team that was outmatched from the opening tip? Winning 60-2 would have also “built character,” champ.

Here’s the obligatory Fox & Friends debate, with Gretchen taking a surprise pro-showboating position. Exit question: How about running the shot clock down to one second on each possession when you’ve got a 70-point lead?

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Make this coach a General, and send him to Afghanistan. Show no mercy. He demands 100%, non stop.

portlandon on January 26, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Great.

Expect the Dems to enact legislation on this.

It isn’t fair for someone to lose, nevermind by such a wide margin.

artist on January 26, 2009 at 4:25 PM

Whats this guy got to apologise about?

Surely the people apologising are the ones who fielded the team that got the can-o-whup-ass opened up on them?

Mailman

mailman on January 26, 2009 at 4:25 PM

Why didnt the losing coach forfeit the game at the half? He shares the blame for letting his team get humiliated like that

offroadaz on January 26, 2009 at 4:26 PM

I don’t see a firing offense here.

backwoods conservative on January 26, 2009 at 4:27 PM

Make this coach a General, and send him to Afghanistan. Show no mercy. He demands 100%, non stop.

portlandon on January 26, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Perfectly appropriate for a general in a war. This isn’t really appropriate for the coach of a school that finds this behavior inappropriate. Private schools don’t have unions.

Esthier on January 26, 2009 at 4:27 PM

Integrity is right. He slices like a fucking hammer. And the opposing team totally missed the cut outs.

BuzzCrutcher on January 26, 2009 at 4:27 PM

So AP, I guess he should be fired? Looks like Hope and Change is contagious cause Allah got a fever.

BrianA on January 26, 2009 at 4:28 PM

By the 2nd half, the coach could have cleared his bench, rested the starters and given his second unit some scrimmage minutes against a weak opponent.

dedalus on January 26, 2009 at 4:29 PM

Expect the Dems to enact legislation on this.

It isn’t fair for someone to lose, nevermind by such a wide margin.

artist on January 26, 2009 at 4:25 PM

I’m sure President Obama will propose the Basketball Point Redistribution Act of 2009. Count on it.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 26, 2009 at 4:29 PM

I don’t think these games have shot clocks and it’s hard to tell students not to score.

mankai on January 26, 2009 at 4:29 PM

Sorry I’m with the coach on this one.

It’s nice to slow down if you’re far ahead in a race, but it’s not evil to play at 100% for an entire game.

Skywise on January 26, 2009 at 4:30 PM

We have become the kind of nation that deserves a filthy bastard like Obama as the President. Now a team can’t even win without being told that they should be ashamed of themselves!

It’s clear that the teams were mismatched and perhaps the solution is an automatic end when the score gets to a certain point (like my kid’s Wii game). It certainly would be better than all these moralists who want to celebrate losing. The girls on the winning team shouldn’t be expected to play at a lesser level just to help boost the esteem of the other team.

highhopes on January 26, 2009 at 4:30 PM

Now, I will say that I agree with Gretchen. The school should have an official policy on this and make it clear to the coach that this is what they mean by Christ-like behavior.

Though it seems they did make it clear to the coach exactly what they meant after this went down, so I have no sympathy for him being fired. He disagreed, fine, but then he’s not the person they want coaching their girls.

Esthier on January 26, 2009 at 4:30 PM

We wouldn’t want to promote a culture where people keep playing to win rather than start playing half-assed in order to make the other side feel better. No, let’s make people ashamed for having superior skills.

amerpundit on January 26, 2009 at 4:30 PM

I haven’t been paying close attention to this story, so why is it a big deal that the opposing team got shut out?

Pulchritudinous Patriot on January 26, 2009 at 4:30 PM

Winning should be celebrated, not condemned. The problem emerges when we start arbitrarily invoking ceilings on the amount by which we allow teams to win, based on whatever emotions of “fairness” we concoct. The amount by which any team deserves to lose, is that which they allow themselves to be beaten. Any other conclusion leads to a fog of “fairness” that no one will be able to define, let alone apply, for all situations, opening the door constant complaints of “unfairness”. So there!

Weight of Glory on January 26, 2009 at 4:30 PM

IT’S

A

F***ING

GAME

leetpriest on January 26, 2009 at 4:31 PM

His girls played with “honor” by straining to hit 100 points against a team that was outmatched from the opening tip? Winning 60-2 would have also “built character,” champ.

Apparently they did because there must not have been any fouls. Unless the team was incapable of making even one foul shot.

I said at the beginning this is simply another case of an administration covering their ^$%^* because their school was getting negative publicity.

This is the end result of socialism applied to sports.

darclon on January 26, 2009 at 4:32 PM

My team lost a regional baseball All-Star game 24-0 (12-year-olds). We played the full six innings. You know what would have been truly humiliating? The other team feeling sorry for us.

You should win gracefully and lose gracefully.

mankai on January 26, 2009 at 4:32 PM

Don’t know if this has been covered, so I apologize if it has, but here’s a vid of the losing team. They actually have a really great attitude.

Dallas Academy girls basketball team talks about 100-point loss

trubble on January 26, 2009 at 4:32 PM

Typical liberal Bullsh!t. Lets not play to win, lets play to make everyone happy. The fact is, the two teams shouldn’t have been playing each other in the first place

R D on January 26, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Message:

Play to win, and you’re fired.

You feel guilt when you win, or else.

MadisonConservative on January 26, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Exit question: How about running the shot clock down to one second on each possession when you’ve got a 70-point lead?

He claims he basically did. And he also claims they only made one 3 pointer in the second half. And I think it was 4 for the whole game.

He also said he took the full-court press off after going up 25-0. Thus allowing the other team to get the ball down to their end of the court for an offensive set each time.

He says the press gave a very biased accounting of the game. I know–you could knock me over with a feather, too.

nukemhill on January 26, 2009 at 4:34 PM

How on Earth were these two teams playing in the same league? The kids aren’t to blame – - it’s the stupid league that’s mismatching tournaments.

Coaches should have had a pow-wow at halftime. And it was up to the losing coach to forfeit, not the winning coach to “dumb down” the players.

What if it were a track meet? Should the winning team count to ten after the starter’s pistol?

DarthBrooks on January 26, 2009 at 4:34 PM

When I was in High School, we joined a men’s league before the regular High School interscholastic league. We played one team that was head and shoulders better than us, both figuratively and literally.

They were beating us about 80 to 30 during the third quarter. Our team captain called us together, and said, “They are NOT going to score 100 points on us.”

We then changed tactics to prevent this milestone. Final score was about 96 to 34 or something along those lines. We lost the game, but we WON by preventing the other team from scoring a century against us.

These girls were out of their league, as well, and should have worked harder. You get better by playing better opponents, not by being coddled. The coach did nothing wrong. His girls did nothing wrong.

The other school should get into an easier league if they can’t handle this kind of treatment. It is their job to prevent the other team from scoring.

Wino on January 26, 2009 at 4:34 PM

If I was on the losing team, I’d tell my principal to shut up and I would demand that we accept the loss. What are we teaching those girls? Sometimes you lose… you need to learn to live with it.

mankai on January 26, 2009 at 4:34 PM

I’m sorry, but Allah is a moron and anyone who agrees with Allah, yep moron as well.

MobileVideoEngineer on January 26, 2009 at 4:34 PM

I heard on the news that the school that lost is a private school for challenged kids. If that’s true and that is what the team consisted of, then I do think the run up was uncalled for. But firing? Seems over the top.

Cindy Munford on January 26, 2009 at 4:34 PM

By the 2nd half, the coach could have cleared his bench, rested the starters and given his second unit some scrimmage minutes against a weak opponent.

dedalus on January 26, 2009 at 4:29 PM

He could have (and I probably would have) but that coach had no moral duty to make his team worse just so it would be less of a blow-out. There is no integrity in a coach deliberately making its team less than it can be.

highhopes on January 26, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Children are supposed to intuitively adopt affirmative action policy while in the midst of youthful competition?

Only if their mascot was a real live unicorn.

Maquis on January 26, 2009 at 4:35 PM

It’s nice to slow down if you’re far ahead in a race, but it’s not evil to play at 100% for an entire game.

Skywise on January 26, 2009 at 4:30 PM

Sure, but it’s fairly ridiculous to keep your starters in the whole time. That’s not even competitively smart.

Esthier on January 26, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Esthier on January 26, 2009 at 4:30 PM

Sorry, I disagree. This is the administration relying on a fall guy after negative publicity rather than maintaining their honor and integrity and defending their coach. As a high school coach I see this BS on a daily basis.

This is upside down world.

darclon on January 26, 2009 at 4:36 PM

Hey, totally defeating Al Qaeda would be totally humiliating for them. Let’s only get them close to defeat and then go easy.

Two different things? Yes. But the values and ideas you instill in children at that young age tend to stay with them throughout life. If you teach children that winning big is bad, they don’t only apply it to that game in that sport. They’re taught that winning big is bad in life.

amerpundit on January 26, 2009 at 4:36 PM

Okay, when I first read this, I thought the coach that led his team to ZERO points for a basketball game was the one being fired. I thought, well, the coach can’t help if those girls can’t jump.
BUT, then I looked a little closer and found that the coach that led his team to victory is now being fired for not apologizing for beating the snot out of the other team….WTF?
Was he supposed to tell his team to give the other team the ball, sit on the court and pick their noses, or just give up…….now, that’s sportsmanship! Yeah right.
This is what is wrong with our society and our government. The winners are made to apologize for being successful, in government, you give over your paycheck to the losers, and in government, these are the slugs that sit on their couch all day and squirt out babies and collect their welfare.
This is the age of Obama-THE AGE OF IGNORANCE.

HornetSting on January 26, 2009 at 4:36 PM

How about running the shot clock down to one second on each possession when you’ve got a 70-point lead?

Exactly. Or make your team work on their passing and say no shots before each team member touches the ball. How tough would that have been?

BadgerHawk on January 26, 2009 at 4:36 PM

Dallas Academy should be firing their coach!
  
What if Patton or Franks had said, “hey, we are beating them pretty bad here…”
  
If we have to, teach things like mini-Marshall Plans: the girls from Covenant could have said after the game “we’ll treat you to pizza…” and also invited Dallas Academy to visit their practices & drills.
  
Bring up the losers, don’t take down the winners.
  
We are seeing the same thing in the bigger world: GTMO, the bailouts…

ElRonaldo on January 26, 2009 at 4:37 PM

His girls played with “honor” by straining to hit 100 points against a team that was outmatched from the opening tip? Winning 60-2 would have also “built character,” champ.

Thank God for Ed, or I would never read this blog.

It’s not as if that coach made these girls practice all day long in the grueling heat in the middle of summer without allowing them to drink water.

If the Dallas Academy was outmatched at tip, THEY should have forfeited, not Covenant. By your twisted logic, everyone that ever sets out to ride against Lance Armstrong should forfeit.

What’s next? Are we going to start demanding that Michael Phelps give all his gold medals back? What the hell is wrong with this country?

leetpriest on January 26, 2009 at 4:38 PM

Cindy Munford on January 26, 2009 at 4:34 PM

It was for ADD and other relatively mild learning disabilities. At my high school, most of the best athletes were enrolled in the Special Education classes; so that means nothing.

darclon on January 26, 2009 at 4:38 PM

Winning should be celebrated, not condemned

How about just letting up on the pressing when your already up by 60? So you think it is not only important to win, but to destroy? You realize that the Christian School has about 1000 students and Dallas Academy has 20 girls in that grade?

I think the Christian Academy head said it right when he said there is no “slaughter rule” in basketball, but there is a “Golden Rule”.

You, Weight of Glory, have a serious lack of perspective that is probably due to your need to make up for your disturbingly small penis.

Kasper Hauser on January 26, 2009 at 4:38 PM

I can’t remember where I read it, but didn’t they also run a full court press for most of the game? I assume the losing team weren’t good ball handlers and it could account for some of poor offensive showing, if true. I’m torn on this. I coached Legion baseball for a number of years and blowouts are painful, but how do you tell kids to go up to the plate and try not to get a hit? We did do a lot of bunting, and I recall pulling our ace pitcher and replacing him with a series of younger guys to gain some experience and give the opposition a better chance. I don’t recall any of our players complaining about it, because we had also gotten our socks beaten off a few times. This basketball game seems a bit extreme, and could have perhaps been handled better.

a capella on January 26, 2009 at 4:38 PM

I’m sorry, but Allah is a moron and anyone who agrees with Allah, yep moron as well.

MobileVideoEngineer on January 26, 2009 at 4:34 PM

It actually works better if you use arguments instead of personal insults, assuming you have some.

Esthier on January 26, 2009 at 4:38 PM

How the hell are you supposed to not score? Just pass the ball around and then hand it to the other team?

I’m sorry, but I have no problem with this. If you’ve got the shot, take it. Basketball is basically, “make the shot, or the other team gets the ball.” There is a SHOT CLOCK. Its not like they can do like Princeton used to do in the old days and pass the ball around for 20 minutes and have final scores of 20-14.

You have to shoot, and apparently when this team shot, they made it.

You know who should be fired? The coach of the team that LOST 100-0.

jimmy the notable on January 26, 2009 at 4:38 PM

“How about running the shot clock down to one second on each possession when you’ve got a 70-point lead?”

Why 70?

How about 27 or 63?

19?

artist on January 26, 2009 at 4:38 PM

With this reasoning, maybe General Sherman should’ve stopped marching halfway through Buckhead, no?

Kid from Brooklyn on January 26, 2009 at 4:39 PM

It’ll be interesting to see the kids’ reaction to this firing. If I’m on that team and I get along with the coach at all, I’m not showing up for the next game to protest this inanity.

World B. Free on January 26, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Good. Hopefully the coach uses his extra free time to get some perspective on sports and life.

RightOFLeft on January 26, 2009 at 4:39 PM

I wrote like 30% of the posts in the other threads on this, so I’ll only offer one today.

The girls aren’t to blame, on either team. Sports at this level are not professional, nor are they war. It is a coach’s responsibility to manage aggression; he failed.

Spirit of 1776 on January 26, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Sure, but it’s fairly ridiculous to keep your starters in the whole time. That’s not even competitively smart.

Esthier on January 26, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Yeah. I don’t really get the argument from people who think it’s cool to not only beat the other team badly, but to stomp on their throats after you’ve kicked them to the ground also.

There’s nothing wrong with playing hard the whole game and winning 70-0 if that’s the way the score ends up. But to intentionally keep your starters in and shooting 3′s and pressing the other team is ridiculous. Let your bench warmers get some practice. Make your starters work on their passes. Something.

BadgerHawk on January 26, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Didn’t Jesus say, “blessed are the consistent three-point shooters, for verily they shall steamroll their opponents”?

Cicero43 on January 26, 2009 at 4:40 PM

So he wins and is fired…sounds like an Obama future appointee for a cabinet position.

Good for him for not apologizing. Should he have pulled back, sure but lets not penalize the girls and the coach because he did his job which is to win games.

crazywater on January 26, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Update: Coach fired for un-apologizing after 100-0 win

I don’t agree with the firing. But who scheduled the game, with such an overly unmatched team? Who was the other coach, that allowed his team and students to be so humiliated…why wasn’t he/she fired too?

byteshredder on January 26, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Me thinks Allah was a bit of a nerd in school.

keep the change on January 26, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Firing a coach for winning? Come on. This is nuts.

SoulGlo on January 26, 2009 at 4:40 PM

The purpose of school is to prepare the students to enter society.

In society, if you are so awful at a profession that you cannot be competitive without forcing the competition to “take it easy on you” then it is time for a new profession.

This is wrong to punish these girls for their success, and it sends a terrible message to the losing team. Because in reality you don’t get rewarded for doing an awful job. In fact, you lose your job if you perform poor enough.

This coach sounds like the only person at the school who had his head screwed on right.

Vegi on January 26, 2009 at 4:40 PM

I heard on the news that the school that lost is a private school for challenged kids. If that’s true and that is what the team consisted of, then I do think the run up was uncalled for. But firing? Seems over the top.

Cindy Munford on January 26, 2009 at 4:34 PM

So there are two standards in play? One if the team has “challenged kids” (whatever that over-used phrase really means) and another when the team isn’t “challenged.”

Sorry but those were two teams playing each other on the court. You suggest that the losing team was practicing for the Special Olympics and that simply isn’t the case. Those were two teams in the same league playing each other. It has to be assumed that when the teams play there is no such thing as special consideration given.

highhopes on January 26, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Now, I will say that I agree with Gretchen. The school should have an official policy on this and make it clear to the coach that this is what they mean by Christ-like behavior.

Though it seems they did make it clear to the coach exactly what they meant after this went down, so I have no sympathy for him being fired. He disagreed, fine, but then he’s not the person they want coaching their girls.

Esthier on January 26, 2009 at 4:30 PM

Is it really that hard to figure out WWJD in this situation? The coach is a jerk who wanted to get in the record books and was willing to technically run up the score against an overmatched opponent to get there.

It’s not the fact that the Dallas Academy team got blown out that is objectionable to this story. The guy got fired because he encouraged a bunch of HS girls to showboat and then publically disagreed with the school when they slapped him on the wrist for it… Mucho tacky.

Illinidiva on January 26, 2009 at 4:41 PM

They fired the wrong coach.

faraway on January 26, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Hey, totally defeating Al Qaeda would be totally humiliating for them. Let’s only get them close to defeat and then go easy.

Two different things? Yes. But the values and ideas you instill in children at that young age tend to stay with them throughout life. If you teach children that winning big is bad, they don’t only apply it to that game in that sport. They’re taught that winning big is bad in life.

amerpundit on January 26, 2009 at 4:36 PM

IIRC that was Colin Powell’s way of fighting Saddam in the first gulf war. See how well that turned out?

R D on January 26, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Exactly. Or make your team work on their passing and say no shots before each team member touches the ball. How tough would that have been?

BadgerHawk on January 26, 2009 at 4:36 PM

I think everyone is missing the point that if the other team were to just start passing the ball around for however long and not score until the last second, that would be more humiliating that the actual score.

It would basically be rubbing it in their faces by saying “Man we’re doing everything in our power to make it harder on ourselves and you still can’t stop us.”

MobileVideoEngineer on January 26, 2009 at 4:41 PM

I’m also really shocked to see AP’s stance on this. Isn’t “Survival of the fittest” like a holy phrase for you atheists? Where the hell do you even learn compassion?

jimmy the notable on January 26, 2009 at 4:41 PM

By your twisted logic, everyone that ever sets out to ride against Lance Armstrong should forfeit.

What’s next? Are we going to start demanding that Michael Phelps give all his gold medals back? What the hell is wrong with this country?

leetpriest on January 26, 2009 at 4:38 PM

A more accurate description would be if Armstrong or Phelps showed up to race against some high school kids.

It’ll be interesting to see if these two schools are scheduled to play next year.

BadgerHawk on January 26, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Why didn’t they just mercy-rule the game?

CP on January 26, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Spirit of 1776 on January 26, 2009 at 4:39 PM

If they were fouling the other team I would agree, but everything points to the opposite.

darclon on January 26, 2009 at 4:42 PM

In society, if you are so awful at a profession that you cannot be competitive without forcing the competition to “take it easy on you” then it is time for a new profession.

Um, your competitors can gang up on you… it’s usually not 1on1… gotta play nice and ethical…

ninjapirate on January 26, 2009 at 4:42 PM

I don’t think there is a shot clock in high school.

Why are we penalizing a guy for winning? What’s next? Everytime a player hits a hard fought basket, we can let the other team shoot free throws until they make them.

matthew26 on January 26, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Sorry, I disagree. This is the administration relying on a fall guy after negative publicity rather than maintaining their honor and integrity and defending their coach. As a high school coach I see this BS on a daily basis.

darclon on January 26, 2009 at 4:36 PM

Maybe so, but even then it’s assumed the school received negeative publicity for this, which can seriously hurt a private school. Private schools don’t get government money, and even the cheapest can be very expensive.

If this coach hurt this school financially, then I don’t see why he should be kept on. They’re a 2a school, so it’s not as though anyone was expecting those girls to go onto the WNBA. Winning is secondary there to fulfilling the rest of the mission of the school, which the school itself feels was violated by this poor sportsmanship.

Esthier on January 26, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Dallas Academy’s duty not to suck isn’t mentioned enough here. Did that coach get run too? What the hell kind of country are we turning into? The People’s Republic of Pusillanimia?

Kid from Brooklyn on January 26, 2009 at 4:42 PM

DON’T

RUN

UP

THE

SCORE

And listen to your administration.

It’s that simple.

Obviously this guy needs a lesson on what honor is REALLY about.

Religious_Zealot on January 26, 2009 at 4:42 PM

A more accurate description would be if Armstrong or Phelps showed up to race against some high school kids.

BadgerHawk on January 26, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Phelps had his first world record when he was 16 and in high school. He still crushed who he swum against.

darclon on January 26, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Exit question: How about running the shot clock down to one second on each possession when you’ve got a 70-point lead?

Or, why didn’t the opposing team forfeit? These games are a competition so if anyone should feel embarrassed and ashamed, it really should be the opposing coach..They couldn’t score one basket? Even a free throw? Of course these kids kept shooting 3 point shots because it counted towards their season stats.

Pam on January 26, 2009 at 4:43 PM

They fired the wrong coach.

faraway on January 26, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Bingo. This discussion wouldn’t be happening if this was a Boys basketball game.

I think this is sexism. (pretty much just to juice p the thread a little.)

jimmy the notable on January 26, 2009 at 4:44 PM

How about running the shot clock down to one second on each possession when you’ve got a 70-point lead?

Yeah! And why don’t people stop answering questions on Jeopardy when they’ve got a $4000 lead on the next contestant?

It’s no fair when people win by a LOT, right?

DarthBrooks on January 26, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Exactly. Or make your team work on their passing and say no shots before each team member touches the ball. How tough would that have been?

BadgerHawk on January 26, 2009 at 4:36 PM

As tough as asking Michael Phelps to “swim a little slower on the last lap”.

Compassion and Sportsmanship would be washing the losing team’s jerseys after a win, serving water to the other side during the game, or even just a simple “Great game!” and never making fun of the other team for their loss.

We all remember what happened the last time this country “took it easy” on a people that were clearly unmatched:

Just over 2 years ago

leetpriest on January 26, 2009 at 4:44 PM

I suggest they don’t put them on the schedule if they can’t compete.

I’ll quote myself… so I can follow-up…

My team lost a regional baseball All-Star game 24-0 (12-year-olds). We played the full six innings. You know what would have been truly humiliating? The other team feeling sorry for us.

You should win gracefully and lose gracefully.

mankai on January 26, 2009 at 4:32 PM

The next season (moving up to the big field), our all-star team beat the same crew 7-4. It was extremely sweet and nothing motivated us more than that 24-0 drubbing. Both teams were gracious in victory and in defeat.

mankai on January 26, 2009 at 4:45 PM

What’s next? Are we going to start demanding that Michael Phelps give all his gold medals back?

leetpriest on January 26, 2009 at 4:38 PM

Yes. Couldn’t he have stopped after 6 medals? That would’ve built character, too. After all, winning all of those made the others feel bad.

Seriously, the coach leads his team to an honest victory so he’s fired. What great lessons to teach kids. Win and get fired. You should stop winning because it’ll hurt your opponent’s feelings.

amerpundit on January 26, 2009 at 4:45 PM

He could have (and I probably would have) but that coach had no moral duty to make his team worse just so it would be less of a blow-out. There is no integrity in a coach deliberately making its team less than it can be.

highhopes on January 26, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Finding minutes for bench players does benefit the team when the coach has to put one of those players in a later game because of injury or foul trouble to starters.

dedalus on January 26, 2009 at 4:46 PM

darclon on January 26, 2009 at 4:38 PM

Thanks for the clarification. Where do you the think the reporter I heard stands on this? I was a T/A for a Spec. Ed. class in an alternative school, the kids were great and they were capable of competetion. As a matter of fact most of their stated career paths were playing in the NBA. Kids are funny.

Cindy Munford on January 26, 2009 at 4:46 PM

Should the msm and blogs report this disaster?

Thereby deepening the pain felt by the losers.

Is it really necessary?

heh

artist on January 26, 2009 at 4:46 PM

If they were fouling the other team I would agree, but everything points to the opposite.

darclon on January 26, 2009 at 4:42 PM

I mean sports are controlled aggression. Players give everything, coaches put it in context, dial it up and down as appropriate. Just like refs who don’t allow late hits on QB. He failed in context. Kids don’t benefit in anyway from this. I didn’t mean aggression = fouling.

Spirit of 1776 on January 26, 2009 at 4:46 PM

Since when did Bill Belichik start coaching girl’s basketball?

bilups on January 26, 2009 at 4:47 PM

There is no shot clock in high school.

They shouldn’t have run up the score but I don’t think the coach should be fired over it.

roux on January 26, 2009 at 4:47 PM

He could have (and I probably would have) but that coach had no moral duty to make his team worse just so it would be less of a blow-out. There is no integrity in a coach deliberately making its team less than it can be.

highhopes on January 26, 2009 at 4:35 PM

He’d be making more out of his team by trusting his bench to hold a freaking 59 point lead. You pull the starters in a blowout. That’s how the game is played at every level. If he won 100-0 with his bench playing the entire second half, nobody would even be complaining.

******

There’s an argument that the losing team shouldn’t have scheduled the game in the first place, or that they shouldn’t even be fielding a team. So why does the winning team get off the hook for agreeing to play the game?

RightOFLeft on January 26, 2009 at 4:47 PM

It’s a basketball game, not war.

When you’re up by a comfortable margin, put your scrubs in, take off the press and stop with the three pointers.

If your scrubs continue to dominate, then that’s too bad.

But to deliberately keep your best in when you’ve already beaten your opponent…

…well, that’s simply dishonor and bad sportsmanship.

Religious_Zealot on January 26, 2009 at 4:47 PM

A more accurate description would be if Armstrong or Phelps showed up to race against some high school kids.

It’ll be interesting to see if these two schools are scheduled to play next year.

BadgerHawk on January 26, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Then why even let the kids play ball?

The saying goes “If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again”

not

“If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again, then if you get beat, appeal to the sympathy of the public, get good people fired during a hard time”

leetpriest on January 26, 2009 at 4:47 PM

He could have (and I probably would have) but that coach had no moral duty to make his team worse just so it would be less of a blow-out. There is no integrity in a coach deliberately making its team less than it can be.

highhopes on January 26, 2009 at 4:35 PM

It isn’t just a moral duty and show of good sportsmanship; it is also a sign of good coaching. What if one of his best players had slipped and twisted her ankle in a game that the team was winning in a blowout and missed the crucial game against the big opponent the night after? I’d have fired the coach just for that boneheaded decision.

Illinidiva on January 26, 2009 at 4:48 PM

PC madness.

Johan Klaus on January 26, 2009 at 4:48 PM

highhopes on January 26, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Settle down, I got bad info.

Cindy Munford on January 26, 2009 at 4:48 PM

It’s a basketball game, not war.

Exactly.

I am befuddled as to why this has to be repeated on these threads here, but yet it does.

Spirit of 1776 on January 26, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Let your bench warmers get some practice.

BadgerHawk on January 26, 2009 at 4:39 PM

This to me seems logical enough. This is something even the pros do and for good reason. You don’t waste your best on a game they don’t need to play. This is true if the team is losing too badly to win or if the team is winning too badly to lose. It’s a no-brainer.

The guy got fired because he encouraged a bunch of HS girls to showboat and then publically disagreed with the school when they slapped him on the wrist for it… Mucho tacky.

Illinidiva on January 26, 2009 at 4:41 PM

And that’s the real issue. He publicly disagree with his employer on a controversial topic that was likely costing the school money in tuition from upset parents.

Since when are employees like that protected? My company is regularly discussed on a website. Sometimes we’re downright trashed. Were I to join in on the discussion, and my employer could find out that it was me, I’d be fired. It’s really that simple.

Esthier on January 26, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Winning is losing. Losing is winning. Muslims are the good guys. Americans are the terrorists. One question: Does our Spock have a goatee or not?

Ronnie on January 26, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Kasper Hauser on January 26, 2009 at 4:38 PM

You use words like “slaughter” and “destroy”, which are terms that cannot find any objective application to numbers. For instance, would 98 – 2 have been a “slaughter”? Would there have been “destruction” at 70- 0? What if the girls did hold back, and the score would have been 150 – 0? If we don’t like competitive sports then don’t play them. I played lots of football games where we were “destroyed”. And those bus rides back to the locker room were the worst, felt like crap. But the following practices were always the best, because that sting turned into resolve to never allow it to happen again.

Weight of Glory on January 26, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Disproportionate victory.

Maquis on January 26, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Phelps had his first world record when he was 16 and in high school. He still crushed who he swum against.

darclon on January 26, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Good point. Upon further thought, the Phelps analogy doesn’t really work at all, because a sport like swimming is against the clock as much as it is against the other racers.

Perhaps picturing Adrian Peterson showing up as a ringer at a high school game?

BadgerHawk on January 26, 2009 at 4:49 PM

His girls played with “honor” by straining to hit 100 points against a team that was outmatched from the opening tip? Winning 60-2 would have also “built character,” champ.

You have no idea how beta you sound right now, do you?

jimmy the notable on January 26, 2009 at 4:41 PM

+1 for evolution heresy

TMK on January 26, 2009 at 4:49 PM

If this is all about saving the losing team from embarrassment, then it is their coach’s responsibility to forfeit the game.

keep the change on January 26, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Now you can only win by…(fill in the blank) points.

artist on January 26, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Bleeding heart libs and yellow journalists just got a guy fired. Feel better now?

BrianA on January 26, 2009 at 4:51 PM

DON’T

RUN

UP

THE

SCORE

And listen to your administration.

It’s that simple.

Obviously this guy needs a lesson on what honor is REALLY about.

Religious_Zealot on January 26, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Should Tim Tebow have the kind of honor to leave College football (where he’s clearly above and beyond the caliber of every player in the NCAA) and move on to Pro?

I’m a UK fan, Florida stomped us this year (as they have every year for a while) 63-5 or something like that. Do I think Tebow should have “played with honor” as your jaded perception sees fit? Nope. Only a pansy wants someone to take it easy.

You, and every douchebag like you have embarrassed these girls on BOTH TEAMS. There’s no honor in that.

leetpriest on January 26, 2009 at 4:51 PM

This country is really going down the tubes. Everybody who supports the firing of Covenant’s coach should be ashamed of themselves. It’s no wonder that we see political correctness killing us, as even many conservatives are infected with this loser-style thinking. Pathetic.

And for those who think they understand sportsmanship and support this cr@p, get a clue. You are touchy-feely emotionbots who don’t know jack about sportsmanship. You’re treating high schoolers like they’re 5 year olds. Good job.

I had no idea that the US had degraded so badly, already. Such a shame.

Thank G-d the Covenant coach has the guts to stick up for what’s right and not crumble to PC ninnies.

progressoverpeace on January 26, 2009 at 4:52 PM

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