Shocker: McCain might oppose Obama on stimulus
posted at 3:00 pm on January 25, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
John McCain hasn’t exactly demonstrated a desire to lead the GOP after his loss to Barack Obama in November. Indeed, he has shown more interest in scolding Republicans for their opposition to Obama and demanded that the party cooperate with Obama’s new policies and appointees, even where serious ethical questions exist. That makes his sudden opposition to Obama’s stimulus plan rather surprising:
President Barack Obama dispatched his top economic adviser and vice president Sunday to relentlessly press their sales pitch for an $825 billion stimulus package to halt the U.S. economic slide, as the plan came under more fire from Republican leaders.
Sen. John McCain, Obama’s opponent in the November presidential contest, said he did not believe the stimulus package did enough to create jobs.
“There have to be major rewrites if we want to stimulate the economy… . As it stands now I can’t vote for it,” McCain said on Fox television.
He also continued a theme from his campaign, declaring that the former Bush administration tax cuts, that were particularly beneficial to high-earning Americans, should be made permanent. The measure expires next year and Obama has said he will not seek their renewal.
I’m stunned. Not because McCain’s wrong — he’s at least leaning towards the right policy here — but because he’s actually offering some opposition to Obama, and on economics to boot. Had McCain been able to articulate the problems of government-stimulus spending during the election, McCain might have been able to make the race a little closer.
Of course, McCain isn’t opposing government-stimulus spending in general. He’s opposing this particular plan, which means that McCain will support massive government spending as long as it creates jobs more quickly than 2011, which is when the CBO foresees most of the impact arriving. If the Democrats shift some of the spending towards 2009-10 and can demonstrate some actual job creation out of it, McCain presumably will be back on board.
Nancy Pelosi has a suggestion:
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Sunday said she could envision more money for the financial sector so long as the government, on behalf of taxpayers, takes an ownership stake in banks that receive the money. She mentioned no dollar figure.
She refused to use the term “nationalization” when referring to additional rescue dollars.
Well, we mustn’t use accurate language when discussing the Obama/Reid/Pelosi plan to change the American private markets into government programs. That would be partisan, and we can’t have that.
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I’ll believe it when I see it.
Spirit of 1776 on January 25, 2009 at 3:01 PM
Nationalization will be the reality for the next 8 years. But no one will say nationalization. Get used to it.
lorien1973 on January 25, 2009 at 3:03 PM
I wonder if you are allowed to customize your handbasket for the trip. I want racing stripes on mine.
Guardian on January 25, 2009 at 3:04 PM
If McCain had come out staunchly against the Bailout, he would have likely won the election. But when I heard him this morning, I said to myself, I won’t get roped in by McCain again. When he was at Saddleback, I was so psyched to hear what he said and actually believed he’d run as a Conservative. As the saying goes…Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me.
Red State State of Mind on January 25, 2009 at 3:05 PM
If McCain votes for this Pork bill, it undermines one of his key positions, opposition to wasteful spending and the horde of lobbyists and influence peddlers such programs attract like fly’s to honey. I just wish McCain had pointed out how much Obama’s plans are going to attract the same special interests Obama pretended to run against.
rob verdi on January 25, 2009 at 3:05 PM
It’s too early to know for sure whether this will be way too little, but it is DEFINITELY way too late!
This is why we need someone with real convictions, rather than just another triangulator. It should have taken three seconds to figure this out, not three months.
logis on January 25, 2009 at 3:06 PM
His sudden opposition has more to do with reelection than anything else. Has to kinda sound like a republican to get the party nod.
Tommy_G on January 25, 2009 at 3:06 PM
lorien,
That is the point of the bailouts after all. Use our money for control so the Democrats can add who gets lent money under their jurisdiction, along with who gets electricity and who gets health care.
rob verdi on January 25, 2009 at 3:07 PM
The democrat leadership doesn’t have the votes to get the stimulus bill passed?
Skandia Recluse on January 25, 2009 at 3:09 PM
If the Republican House plan had been adopted, with capital gains cuts, et al, to encourage a flow of private capital into the market, I truly believe we’d be pulling out of this by now.
Red State State of Mind on January 25, 2009 at 3:09 PM
Porkalosa … It’s just payola for the dummer voters out there.
tarpon on January 25, 2009 at 3:10 PM
Damn y’all are even hard on McCain when he does stuff you like…intense.
DeathToMediaHacks on January 25, 2009 at 3:11 PM
yes they do, just like the other bail out bills, BUT
IF they rope in enough republican votes, Pelosi can
1: let certain DEMs in shaky districts to vote against it ‘on principle’ to help them in their re-elections.
2: Claim it is “bi partisan”
3: Spread the Blame if (when) it does not work.
I “hope” that the Republicans all vote no, politely explaining it is a bad idea and won’t fix the problem. Then, when it tanks, we might gain back publc support for majorities in 2010 so we can begin to fix the ‘fix’.
Red State State of Mind on January 25, 2009 at 3:12 PM
They’re liberals. All that matters is the label; not the substance. The words “nationalization,” “collectivism,” “Socialism” and “Communism” are all (for some completely unfathomable reason) very unpopular with the American public…
So liberals just substitute the word “Constitution” to mean the same thing. Problem solved.
logis on January 25, 2009 at 3:12 PM
This is McCain bucking Pelosi/Reid, not Obama. It’s really not his rescue plan until he takes ownership of it and he’s not going to d that until public opinion sways in favor of it. Once it does, Obama will own it and McCain will have a change of heart so that he can support Obama.
myrenovations on January 25, 2009 at 3:12 PM
To quote a Reidism.
All is Lost
Kini on January 25, 2009 at 3:15 PM
Nah. She will let Maxine Waters do the talking for her.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 25, 2009 at 3:17 PM
Let’s see if he sticks to this position. I’d prefer him to get every single Senate Republican to vote against this “piece of s**t bill” but I’ll believe that when I see it.
fiatboomer on January 25, 2009 at 3:17 PM
McCain is usually good about opposing wasteful spending and 90% of Pelosi’s theft act is just that wasteful theft from the unpolitically connnected to the politically connected. I wouldn’t mind seeing some extra spending on infrastructure, nuclear power, and defense along with across the board taxcuts especially for small businesses and in the corporate and capital gains areas.
goat on January 25, 2009 at 3:18 PM
To quote something I heard a little while ago…
Where did I hear that exactly? Hmmmmm……
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 25, 2009 at 3:18 PM
barack Hussein obama Pizza Burger
It’s looks Awful
Kini on January 25, 2009 at 3:18 PM
I don’t understand why anyone would be “Shocked” at this. John McCain is the victim of a lot of stereotyping from the far-right conservatives.
He knows what he’s doing…and he’s doing the right thing.
JetBoy on January 25, 2009 at 3:19 PM
Red State State of Mind on January 25, 2009 at 3:12 PM
Exactly, the Democrats don’t want to eat this crap sandwich all by themselves.
goat on January 25, 2009 at 3:21 PM
“The law of unintended consequences is what happens when a simple system tries to regulate a complex system. The political system is simple. It operates with limited information (rational ignorance), short time horizons, low feedback, and poor and misaligned incentives. Society in contrast is a complex, evolving, high-feedback, incentive-driven system. When a simple system tries to regulate a complex system you often get unintended consequences.” ─ Andrew Gelman, professor of statistics and political science at Columbia University and author, “Red State, Blue State, Rich State, Poor State: Why Americans Vote the Way They Do.”
Andrew Gelman is dead on. He states that the political system is simple. I’d go a step further and say that lifetime politicians and entrenched government bureaucrats are simple. They show no indication of knowledge or expertise in American history or rational financial theory. The president, Congress, Federal Reserve, and Treasury try mightily to direct our economy. It is an impossible task. With a GDP of $14 trillion, there are thousands of inputs and outputs that feed the system. Their hubris leads them to believe that they are in control and can manipulate the gears of capitalism in a way that will produce their desired outcomes. If a desired outcome occurs, it is simply due to dumb luck. The more likely result of their manipulations of our complex system is a set of bigger problems that never occurred to them.
Congress definitely fits Mr. Gelman’s definition of a simple system. I can’t think of a body of people operating with more ignorance than Congress. The information they act upon is provided by the 17,000 lobbyists who wine and dine them on a daily basis. Corporate lobbyists, PACs, unions, and special interests buy their votes. Their time horizons are less than a few months. They are constantly running for re-election, raising money and handing out goodies to their constituents. The only feedback they care about is their standing in the polls and the amount of money they’ve raised from “donors.” Their incentives are poor and not aligned with the needs of the American people. They are not willing to do what is right for the country because they have no incentive to do so. Their only incentive is to get re-elected by insuring that their district gets as much pork spending as possible. They do this by selling their votes to the highest bidder.
- James Quinn
MB4 on January 25, 2009 at 3:22 PM
The effect of even considering the nationalization of the banks will be known when the Toyko market opens in a few hours. For anyone to seriously consider this is insane.
genso on January 25, 2009 at 3:22 PM
At least on that point Quinn is wrong given the low poll numbers Congress has.
genso on January 25, 2009 at 3:24 PM
I see this as good news.
First, it is not entirely accurate that McCain and Graham support Obama vis a vis GITMO. They are not happy at all that he halted military commissions, and even they would not have made moves to close it without an alternative plan in place.
Secondly, if McCain and other Republicans managed to sell a continuation of the Bush tax cuts, that would do a lot to reinstate confidence in the market. It’s interesting to note that while the vast majority have bought into Obamamania, polls show that they oppose making the government the solution. Moreover, they are not happy with the bailout. Thus is not an impossible task, and soundbites about hundreds of millions of spending geared towards contraceptives and planting grass are also clear winners for our side.
Buy Danish on January 25, 2009 at 3:24 PM
If, by some miracle, the whole GOP caucus held together, Harry would only have 59 votes for cloture, even if you counted MN. Saxby Chambliss’ win did that.
If McCain does vote no, he’ll keep Miss Lindsay with him, and maybe even the Maine girls (McCain and Collins are close)….
(No, Wethal, don’t get your hopes up again. You know how many times this guy has faked you out. His urge to please his real base (MSM) wil win out.)
Wethal on January 25, 2009 at 3:25 PM
We prefer All Weather Conservatives.
Patrick S on January 25, 2009 at 3:26 PM
Whenever McCain does something sensible it is a shock. Anyone who passed Econ 101 would oppose the plan as currently conceived but I didn’t think John had. The “thing” currently in the house is nothing but pork and democratic wish list. Any resemblance to stimulus is hard to find. If we have to have a stimulus package do something useful with it. Upgrade the national power grid, fix the national highway system, build nuclear power plants, build more refineries and develop domestic energy sources. Forget about all this other crap.
duff65 on January 25, 2009 at 3:27 PM
I recall reading somewhere that Obama wanted 80 votes in the senate. Just barely making it past 60 wouldn’t be bipartisan enough and make it harder to make the GOP share the blame for this stimulus’ failure.
I suppose there might be some GOP senators who would vote for cloture because they thought the actual bill should come up for a vote, but then vote against the bill. HArty would have the votes then.
This is all about McCain worrying about 2010.
Wethal on January 25, 2009 at 3:28 PM
Its all posturing. The art of negotiations is to throw out the worst possible deal, especially if you are in power. As you back off that deal in the light of “compromise” you achieve your true objective while making it seem you listen to both sides. McCain is either in on this ploy or they are using him.
genso on January 25, 2009 at 3:29 PM
From
The Obama presidency: Here comes socialism
By Dick Morris
In the name of stabilizing the banking system, Obama will nationalize it. Using Troubled Asset Relief Program funds to write generous checks to needy financial institutions, his administration will demand preferred stock in exchange. Preferred stock gets dividends before common stockholders do. With the massive debt these companies will owe to the government, they will only be able to afford dividends for preferred stockholders — the government, not private investors. So who will buy common stock? And the government will demand that its bills be paid before any profits that might materialize are reinvested in the financial institution, so how will the value of the stocks ever grow? Devoid of private investors, these institutions will fall ever more under government control.
Disturb the Universe on January 25, 2009 at 3:29 PM
What do you mean by “far right”?
ddrintn on January 25, 2009 at 3:29 PM
Perhaps the money is not exactly flowing into McCain’s CountryFirst PAC, too.
Wethal on January 25, 2009 at 3:30 PM
That’s pretty much irrelevant as the vast majority of incumbents are reelected.
MB4 on January 25, 2009 at 3:30 PM
I wonder if the Republicans could make a trade with the Democrats:
McCain for Gillibrand.
rbj on January 25, 2009 at 3:31 PM
It would be nice if McCain put aside his bipartisan/media approval fetish and stuck to his guns about pork and waste, which happens to clutter up this “stimulus”.
aikidoka on January 25, 2009 at 3:31 PM
So they trim back a few billion, cut out the contraceptives funding, the funding for new grass on the Memorials in DC, and McCain can “accept it”? Maybe a few more small tax cuts added to dress it up a bit, too?
Wethal on January 25, 2009 at 3:32 PM
Yes, but the Dims need cover. Obama has already said he wants 80 Senators on board. Unlikely to happen, given public sentiment, but you can see why he wants it. This time next year, when it’s clear that this insane massive pork spending bill has failed to magically cure what ails the economy, voters are going to blame the politicians responsible for it. That’s why the Dims want as many Republicans as possible to sign onto this disaster.
AZCoyote on January 25, 2009 at 3:33 PM
Hell, even trading Gov. David “Kennedy Slayer” Paterson for McCain would be a very good deal.
MB4 on January 25, 2009 at 3:35 PM
That’s my thinking. But not just McCain. Other Republicans will bite as well so as not to be seen as obstructionist.
genso on January 25, 2009 at 3:35 PM
rbj on January 25, 2009 at 3:31 PM
Gillibrand is very liberal socially
goat on January 25, 2009 at 3:35 PM
In a general sense, if you consider John McCain a RINO, you’re far-right.
JetBoy on January 25, 2009 at 3:37 PM
Yep.
AZCoyote on January 25, 2009 at 3:37 PM
Is there any such thing as a RINO at all, then? If so, what is it?
ddrintn on January 25, 2009 at 3:39 PM
The Obamacrats don’t want America to succeed. This is what conservatives have a hard time wrapping their heads around. Obama wants small business to fail. They want to own what is left with the unions in control. There won’t be CEO’s anymore, only CZAR’s. Why do you think all the business guys have been writing themselves checks for billions of dollars? It’s a firesale and the Obamacrats will step in and capitalism as you knew it will end. It’s either work for the Obamacrats or be crushed. What do you want to do?
“Marching, charging, feet – it will be a revolution in the street”
izoneguy on January 25, 2009 at 3:40 PM
Yep. Twice.
Scott P on January 25, 2009 at 3:40 PM
AZCoyote, any sign of a serious primary challenger to McCain?
Or will the AZ GOP establishment support him so firmly that a challenger wouldn’t have much of a chance?
Wethal on January 25, 2009 at 3:40 PM
I guess he didn’t get the Obama memo to stop listening to Rush Limbaugh:)
Dr Evil on January 25, 2009 at 3:40 PM
If you are a fiscal conservative, you might appreciate McCain for his record on spending. However, even though his heart might be in the right place, he is much too compromising to be considered a true conservative, even fiscally. Unfortunately, he is the “Sword of Damocles” for the right now because of his affinity for abandoning the right at awkward times.
genso on January 25, 2009 at 3:42 PM
He probably wants Barry to add some more pork.
DeweyWins on January 25, 2009 at 3:42 PM
Didn’t Bill Ayers bomb the capitol??
izoneguy on January 25, 2009 at 3:42 PM
Sure…Mayor Bloomberg is a RINO, since he only switched to Republican to run. Going back a few years…former Connecticut Governor Lowell Weicker was a RINO.
Moderate to conservative does not a RINO make. The term is far too overused, and misused.
JetBoy on January 25, 2009 at 3:44 PM
I’m sure she had to choke that tid bit in there..fingers and legs crossed.
katy on January 25, 2009 at 3:44 PM
McCain, for all his numerous faults, is not a porkster and never has earmarks in his budgets. The biggest problem I have with McCain vis a vis the economy is his idiotic support of global warming and cap & trade and his opposition to drilling in ANWR.
Your point is??
Buy Danish on January 25, 2009 at 3:47 PM
Better late than never for MAC on the stimulus. I’ll bet he still votes for it, after a few tweaks.
james23 on January 25, 2009 at 3:50 PM
McCain isn’t much to the right of Obama on many things, so that makes no sense.
MB4 on January 25, 2009 at 3:50 PM
So what? The package is a clunker and it’s just one more thing McCain is not sure about.
After all, he understands the economy as well as he understands how to run a campaign.
drjohn on January 25, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Agreed. McLame will probably ask Barry to beef up the research dollars for AGW.
DeweyWins on January 25, 2009 at 3:52 PM
McCain and Obama should be copacetic on that one as McCain called Limbaugh a clown.
MB4 on January 25, 2009 at 3:53 PM
And didn’t McCain say Obama would be a fine President? Pork the other white meat.
izoneguy on January 25, 2009 at 3:54 PM
Obama’s going all “Scanners” in that picture…
TheUnrepentantGeek on January 25, 2009 at 3:54 PM
McCain’s opposition is based on internal polling not any sort of principles. He could just vote no and be done with it, he won’t because his staff has probably found out he is vulnerable in his up coming primary. His potential primary opponent JD Hayworth has alot of grassroots support and a daily radio program to broadcast his ideas. Methinks McCain becomes a conservative of opportunity in the next two years. If McCain had opposition AND alternative solutions then I’d give him the benfit of the doubt but the McCain I saw during the campaign spouting populist rhetoric is just a filthy politician.
Theworldisnotenough on January 25, 2009 at 3:56 PM
I am sure we would all be cheering if the GOP leadership went after Obama hammer and tongs on every little thing. However, the wise thing to do is pick ones battles. This one is a battle worth picking.
Sekhmet on January 25, 2009 at 3:57 PM
I view him [Limbaugh ]like I do a circus clown. And that got some immediate reaction. And I want to tell you, Neil, I regret that statement because my office has been flooded with angry phone calls from circus clowns all over America. They resent that comparison and so I would like to extend my apologize to Bozo, Chuckles and Krusty.
- John McCain
MB4 on January 25, 2009 at 4:00 PM
After rolling over for Hilary, Holder, Geitner and sucking up to Obama, he decides it’s now time to throw conservatives a bone. Typical McCain trick. Don’t fall for it. McCain must go!!!
RMR on January 25, 2009 at 4:01 PM
Which sort of explains his continued service in the Senate as opposed to serving from the White House.
genso on January 25, 2009 at 4:03 PM
Whatevs. Wake me up when McLame actually votes against an initiative of The Obama, or even makes a credible threat to do so. Ain’t.Gonna.Happen.
Jaibones on January 25, 2009 at 4:03 PM
I’m willing to guess that some of those “circus clowns” who phoned in might have stayed home last fall.
INC on January 25, 2009 at 4:07 PM
There is a lot of unfairness to McCain going on here.
He has always been a hawk on wasteful spending. Always.
MayBee on January 25, 2009 at 4:07 PM
I agree. There will be a couple of cosmetic tweaks here and there, and that will provide the incentive for McCain to get completely on board, urging his fellow Republicans to do what’s good for the country and follow his lead.
If he does otherwise, I’ll be the first to give him credit.
ddrintn on January 25, 2009 at 4:08 PM
“My friends, in keeping with my Maverick status and in a quest to have people keep noticing me, I have decided to maybe sorta kinda resist the Ogabe stimulus plan.
I won’t actually vote against it when the time comes, but at least the MSM is paying attention to me again.”
I want my vote back.
Bishop on January 25, 2009 at 4:08 PM
Except last September.
ddrintn on January 25, 2009 at 4:09 PM
Mac, do it. You have always been a fiscal hawk. Soar brother, soar!
Do the right thing on this. I am for rational stimulous, to a point, but this crazyass spending will be a disaster.
Mr. Joe on January 25, 2009 at 4:11 PM
RINOS MUST HOLD OUT ON THIS WONDERFUL STIMULUS till WE MAKE SURE THAT:
1) ALL WHITE MALES ARE EXCLUDED (not just construction workers as part of Dear Leader’s plan to bring us together with whitey having a special vacation from work)
2)BEER AND DIRTY MAGS ARE PROVIDED WITH THE CONDOMS (to make sure that they are used while the mags will not observe preferances)
3)TOP ADMINISTRATORS ARE VETTED (to make sure they have committed crimes or helped criminals be pardoned)
4)NEW SCHOOLS AND INFRASTRUCTURE TAKE A DECADE TO BUILD (to make sure that nobody finds out that test scores have little to do with fancy buildings and to help the NEA have more time to extort more money for bad scores; also to give the local democrat maggots more time to harvest every conceivable advantage from the construction of bridges or other improvements)
5)WORKERS IN ALL PROGRAMS ARE GIVEN A COPY OF ONE OF DEAR LEADER’S BOOKS (In addition to a special MSNBC and New York Times report on how Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and other Dems had nothing to do with Fannie, Freddie or the whole financial destruction of the U. S.)
6)THIS STIMULUS FAILS (so that another program can be passed with even more unfairness, corruption, race discrimination and waste and lead to almost total governmental control of the economy)
IlikedAUH2O on January 25, 2009 at 4:12 PM
Since when has Maverick signaled his intentions? Don’t buy the head fake. He just wants to be able to tell the MSM that he was against it before he was for it. Later he will cut the legs out from underneath his party when he supports the stimulus and says the new Obama package satisfies him. : )
Angry Dumbo on January 25, 2009 at 4:13 PM
Here’s the problem. Trillion dollars in spending WITH tax cuts? McCain, how about MINIMAL SPENDING and MASSIVE TAX CUTS? That’s the solution.
marklmail on January 25, 2009 at 4:22 PM
I can’t help but think you might be speaking sarcasticly.
Red State State of Mind on January 25, 2009 at 4:33 PM
Nationalization = socialism and is ~ communism. These are bleak times.
rplat on January 25, 2009 at 4:35 PM
Well, of course they are all going to be against it at first. They bill hasn’t been larded up with $150 billion of pork like the TARP was; then all of a sudden it was a-OK…
Sheesh…
chrissv on January 25, 2009 at 4:35 PM
I’ll wait for the actual votes. In the meanwhile I’m busy observing blind Obama-love from the most unexpected quarters, and in myriad of expressions. Thanks Kini, for the burger link.
Nietzsche’s Übermensch is one of the most maligned figures in all of philosophy.
I will hereby coin the term Zaubermensch for Obama.
Everyone knows that Mensch means man, as in person. Zauber means magic.
The reaction of so much of the world toward this Zaubermensch is simply a psychological disorder of Gargantuan proportion, and will not end good.
It’s not a reaction becoming to a constitutional republic, as is ours, nor toward a democracy. It’s rather a reaction toward a dictator, past, or present. It will end in such shock that the entire now-mesmerized world will have its jaws open by 3 feet.
For now reasoning processes are suspended.
Entelechy on January 25, 2009 at 4:47 PM
People such as this consider McCain a right-wing conservative, rather than a RINO, solely because he attended a service academy and served in the armed forces.
Sorry, McCain wears the RINO label well. And after his inept campaign, I really do hope he gets smoked in his next election–and I mean humiliated. In fact, after watching Kyl carve Geithner up this past week, I’m convinced that Republicans had the wrong Arizona senator running for president.
BuckeyeSam on January 25, 2009 at 4:51 PM
I enjoy the MSNBC line about how the tax cuts were “particularly favorable to the wealthy”. My mom doesn’t work, and my dad makes about 65,000 a year, which doesn’t go very far on Long Island. The Bush tax cuts have been a godsend for us, so I’m not sure where this logic comes from.
Rainsford on January 25, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Sorry, but I disagree with the mensch part of your coinage. You give it the neutral connotation of person. I’ve always understood it to have a very positive connotation, that is, a person of character and integrity.
See, for example, http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mensch.
So I’m unwiling to characterize Obama as a mensch of any kind.
How about Zauberdouche?
BuckeyeSam on January 25, 2009 at 5:00 PM
I call BS on McAmnesty. He is putting on a show for 2010 to lull the AZ conservatives into thinking he ‘stood up to Obama’. Then when vote time comes he will vote yes saying he is still opposed to much of the bailout but he is doing it for the good of the country or some such nonsense.
angryed on January 25, 2009 at 5:01 PM
Entelechy — Is the adoration of Dear Leader worse than St. John the Kennedy?
Red State of Mind Ha, I was just trying to help the RINOS stand for something with the list above.
For the bashing of white males and the identity politics of Rep. Rangel see:
http://www.dipity.com/timeline/Robert-Reich/list
Apparently white males do not aid the economy if you give them money or jobs. Why don’t we just get rid of the useless jerks? Dear Leader is handsomer and smarter than all of them, anyway.
IlikedAUH2O on January 25, 2009 at 5:04 PM
He hasn’t done anything. I will give 20-1 odds that he votes for the so-called stimulus package.
angryed on January 25, 2009 at 5:04 PM
Include a ‘Shamnesty’ amendment and he will support it 110%.
Helloyawl on January 25, 2009 at 5:10 PM
This is because people at MSNBC and libs in general are idiots.
They look at it like this:
Guy who pays $100K in taxes gets a $15K tax break and pays $85K. He pays 85% of his pre tax cut tax liability.
Guy who pays $10K in taxes gets a $5K tax cut and spends pays $5K. He only pays 50% of his former liability.
Yet in the world of MSNBC, the guy who is still paying 85% (and is paying 17 times more in actual dollar amount) is somehow getting the better deal of the two.
Unfortunately the average American is so stupid, that they see $15K vs. $5K in tax cuts and think hey man that’s like totally unfair dude. I’m voting for Obama.
angryed on January 25, 2009 at 5:12 PM
You folks will love this, about 4 billion of that stimulus will be open to the grubby mitts of ACORN.
goat on January 25, 2009 at 5:21 PM
C’mon John, make them famous let us know their names. Or that line only used as fodder for campaign speecher?
PackerBronco on January 25, 2009 at 5:24 PM
That’s almost enough to make me support it.
VolMagic on January 25, 2009 at 5:28 PM
He is going to stab us in the back sometime anyway, so ef him.
cjs1943 on January 25, 2009 at 5:32 PM
I don’t believe that McCain is a conservative, but I agree that opposition to this bill is the right thing. Unfortunately, I think McCain has lost most of his influence, in part because he voted for the last bailout bill, after a career of opposing earmarks.
DrMagnolias on January 25, 2009 at 5:32 PM
McLame operates from the seat-of-his-pants. That’s why he lost.
On Nat’l Security, he has a philosophy and principles. On everything else, he just wings it.
And when you just wing it, once in a while, you will be right. This may be the time when the luck of the draw helps him.
notagool on January 25, 2009 at 5:35 PM
heh … take it from those of us that have this Rockefeller RINO as their Senator … he’s posturing (2010 is coming) and he will be full on board voting for this socialist spending plan.
AZ_Redneck on January 25, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Step One: Support Obama’s plans
(if that’s not enough, go on to step two)
Step Two: Oppose Obama’s plans
Step Three: Take the lead in opposing Obama’s plans
Step Four: Find about 10 Republicans most willing to compromise, call yourselves the “Gang of N,” and come up with a watered-down version of whatever it is Obama is pushing, that’s only 9% less craptastic. Foist it on America. Break any hope of a filibuster.
daryl_herbert on January 25, 2009 at 5:46 PM
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