McCain: I won’t be a rubber stamp for Obama

posted at 9:07 pm on January 25, 2009 by Allahpundit

Ed got here before I did but we give McCain enough grief for his maverickiness that we owe him a little extra attention when he stands on principle. Sort of: As Ed noted, the “principle” in this case isn’t an objection to a stimulus per se but merely to the current porky incarnation. Boehner and Lindsey Graham are also sour on it, but I think they’re bluffing to increase their leverage knowing that Reid and Pelosi want Republicans on the hook too when they lay their trillion-dollar bet. Even so, I think the GOP has more to lose by opposing it than the Democrats do by supporting it; if the economy’s showing even faint signs of recovery by 2010 — for whatever reason — the media will credit the Messiah’s plan with having saved the world and Republicans will reap the whirlwind in the midterms. To oppose the stimulus is essentially to wager that the recession will still be raging two years from now. Expect something like a 75-25 vote.

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McCain: I won’t be a rubber stamp for Obama…..

Yes you will………….

………….. but you have to keep saying this to be invited back to the Sunday shows and try to stay relevant.

Seven Percent Solution on January 25, 2009 at 9:11 PM

2010 will be ugly for the R’s, regardless.

The House less so.

Let the Dems own it.

artist on January 25, 2009 at 9:12 PM

Yeah, sure, Maverick. And the check is in the mail.

kingsjester on January 25, 2009 at 9:13 PM

“Just words”

Spirit of 1776 on January 25, 2009 at 9:13 PM

Seriously, though, what is Mac doing here? He’s already talking up Obama. Obama faces bigger challenges then 9/11 was? Iraq and Afghanistan are bigger challenges then WWII? I’m worn out of Mac.

Spirit of 1776 on January 25, 2009 at 9:14 PM

Sort of: As Ed noted, the “principle” in this case isn’t an objection to a stimulus per se but merely to the current porky incarnation.

That’s barely a principle at all. The whole thing is a contribution to accelerated financial collapse in this country. I know the guy at least had the nads to admit he knew jack about economics, but this is not something to give him credit for. It’s the equivalent of scolding a burglar for breaking the whole window and making a mess instead of neatly using a glass cutter to get inside.

MadisonConservative on January 25, 2009 at 9:14 PM

Are there no REAL Republicans left?

john1schn on January 25, 2009 at 9:15 PM

What’s the over/under on how many times the term “RINO” is gonna appear in this thread?

I kinda figured the McCain-derangement would have eased up after the election. Silly me.

Ed got here before I did but we give McCain enough grief for his maverickiness that we owe him a little extra attention when he stands on principle.

McCain always stands on principle. And yes…McCain get far too much grief. As long as I live, I’ll never understand it.

JetBoy on January 25, 2009 at 9:16 PM

McCain always stands on principle.

Um, no. He has done several things based on impulse.

Spirit of 1776 on January 25, 2009 at 9:16 PM

This is a Democratic bill. All Republicans should vote NO. (That’s what happened in 1993, in Clinton’s first year.)

The Mavericks should vote NO so that the Democrats can get all the credit for curing the nation’s economic problems.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on January 25, 2009 at 9:16 PM

Not a rubber stamp for Obama, perhaps a rubber chicken for the GOP?

Maquis on January 25, 2009 at 9:18 PM

AP’s got a great point here. A risk based economy will heal itself over time, to one degree or another, and any hint of a recovery will be credited directly to Obama’s Plan”. Anyone not voting in favor will be demonized mercilessly by the Drive-By’s.

aquaviva on January 25, 2009 at 9:18 PM

Again, there actually are a couple of real conservatives left. One of the best is Jim DeMint:

http://demint.senate.gov/public/

califcon on January 25, 2009 at 9:19 PM

McCain: I won’t be a rubber stamp for Obama

You will if Harry and The One tell you to…

uncivilized on January 25, 2009 at 9:19 PM

when he stands on principle

Too late Mav. You, my friend, are over.

JeffinOrlando on January 25, 2009 at 9:20 PM

He also gets it about amnesty now. Again. Like before. But different. This time. Sort of.

beatcanvas on January 25, 2009 at 9:20 PM

I’m beginning to doubt Allah and doubt this site. We demand that the Republicans fight this and bury the democrats. Let the market take care of this. If they can delay it and the banks, etc see that they aren’t going to get any more money, they will start their normal business. Cut taxes and that is good for everybody. Cut spending – that would be refreshing.

suzyk on January 25, 2009 at 9:20 PM

I hope he’s serious – I really do. No Maverickiness when Obama’s about to flush the treasury down the toilet, please.

fiatboomer on January 25, 2009 at 9:21 PM

califcon on January 25, 2009 at 9:19 PM

Another: Inhofe

Spirit of 1776 on January 25, 2009 at 9:21 PM

If it passes and works, Obama and the Democrats will receive all the credit. Of course, conservatives know it will never work and no matter how you dress it up, this is a Christmas tree. Condoms, lawn-seeding and BS.

chunderroad on January 25, 2009 at 9:22 PM

I just posted this in a different thread. I do expect the recession to still be raging two years from now, so I’d vote against it, both on principle and on the politics:

Even though Greenspan’s experiment has caused the greatest credit crisis since 1931, Bernanke continues to pursue the same failed idea, of excessively easy credit to reflate the currency. The Austrian School has pointed out that after a credit bubble has burst, easy credit will not restart it. So far, that is what is happening. Right now the fear is of major money center banks failing completely, despite the bailouts to date. Another $350B of TARP won’t stave off a bankrupt industry $3T on the hole.

John Mauldin offered a guestblog called The Great Experiment which puts all of us as guinea pigs in a grand exercise of academic economics. Welcome to the petri dish! In 1933 debt to GDP grew to 300%; in 2003 we went over 300% and are flying over 360%. Bernanke has tried to reflate, growing reserves 2000% and making M2 grow an astounding amount of 18% on the last quarter, all for naught: the velocity of money (its turnover) is plummeting and is unlikely to reverse as people hunker down for the Greater Depression. Household wealth has fallen $10T, and this is expected to lower spending by 3.4% per year for the next three years, as compared with 2.9% growth in the prior five years. A net drag of 6.3% of GDP per year, or 19% over the next three years.

Obama’s $850B stimulus is unlikely to have any impact beyond extending the disaster farther out. It contains payoffs to political constituents and pet projects that have been kicking around for years, but almost nothing that will create future wealth or prosperity. All the jobs created will be temporary and go away when the money dries up. Whither the Obama Hope Rally? The market sees it as a $850B black hole of waste, not as a kickstart to a new economy. This waste is borrowed, hence pulls capital out of productive use, deepening the problem. The only prescription that might work is a permanent one, like a major tax cut – for example, ending corporate income taxes completely to spur private investment and competitiveness.

During Greenspan Indian Summer, we borrowed more than we grew, and it is becoming clear that a lot of the money borrowed was squandered in frauds and conspicuous consumption. Perhaps half the excess borrowing of $4T over GDP growth was wasted, putting us into a $2T hole. The first bubble, real estate, peaked in 2005, and put housing way above the long term trendline of prices. They have to fall – and the value has to be lost – before we can grow that sector again The second bubble in commodities lasted into July 2008, and left huge destruction across almost all markets, but at least these markets seem to have corrected already – the excess has been lost.

On top of this $2T hole we had the overhand of the 2000 dot-com bubble, estimated in one of a series of great analyses by Karl Denninger as another $1T of excess. By keeping the party going, Greenspan prolonged the day of denouement. We might be roughly only at a $3T of excess or 20% of GDP, except for actions taken since the meltdown. The Bush stimulus of $170B was mostly saved or wasted; it created no lasting prosperity. The part of the initial TARP that seems to have dissolved in waste is around $175B or half the amount given out so far; adding these wasted amounts to the Obama stimulus we might be around an additional $1.2T of wasted spending that deepens the hole.

This means the Greenspan Indian Summer has taken a $1T problem and grown it to a $4.2T debacle, or 30% of GDP. With the profound change of consumer behavior, to save rather than spend, we potentially have another 19% of GDP to fall. Perhaps the two calculations overlap a bit, but it is safe to estimate that the coming GDP drop will be at least 35% of GDP, or about the level of the first part of the Great Depression (35% down in the first wave, 20% down in the second).

venividivici on January 25, 2009 at 9:22 PM

The $825 will improve the numbers, but inflation will kick in soon after. This isn’t a bill that Republican would pass on their own, but they lost. They should vote for it, but with a loud warning of the what the costs are for this approach instead of one that focuses on spending money to improve our productivity.

pedestrian on January 25, 2009 at 9:22 PM

Are there no REAL Republicans left?

john1schn on January 25, 2009 at 9:15 PM

Yes there are. They are in hiding though. :) We need to clean the Rino’s out of office! McCain=Rino

sheebe on January 25, 2009 at 9:22 PM

Again, there actually are a couple of real conservatives left. One of the best is Jim DeMint:

http://demint.senate.gov/public/

califcon on January 25, 2009 at 9:19 PM

I like him too!

sheebe on January 25, 2009 at 9:23 PM

Can you say PRICK!

God forgive me, but I am sick of non principled men.

Mercy4Me on January 25, 2009 at 9:24 PM

I was a Rudy guy. He lost. I supported McCain. Didn’t want to but I did. He’s terrible.

LtE126 on January 25, 2009 at 9:24 PM

To oppose the stimulus is essentially to wager that the recession will still be raging two years from now.

Ummmm, you seriously doubt that we are coming in on an IMMINENT collapse? Recession? It matters not what they do it can all be propped up for only so long as the wise jedi sayeth.

melachiro on January 25, 2009 at 9:24 PM

suzyk on January 25, 2009 at 9:20 PM

SuzyK, I don’t think AP’s advocating “the plan”, but rather pointing out the political realities of a vote for/against it.

The MSM is a powerful, if disgusting, megaphone.

aquaviva on January 25, 2009 at 9:24 PM

As usual, Michael Ramirez says it best:

href=”http://www.investors.com/editorial/cartoons/CartoonPopUp.aspx?id=310771494417300″>

Webrider on January 25, 2009 at 9:24 PM

McCain: I won’t be a rubber stamp for Obama

Um…. Excuse me you political traitor but your whole campaign was nothing but a shadow of Obama’s. Why aren’t you going to be a rubber stamp now when you campaigned as the rubber stamp candidate????

The GOP needs new leadership and vision and that doesn’t include political traitors like you. You spent eight years being the Democrat’s best Republican friend in the Senate. Why in the Hell are we supposed to think that a spokesrodent for the Republican left is going to defend the GOP now???

highhopes on January 25, 2009 at 9:25 PM

But he will concede many other key points of policy contention to Obama, permit government and deficits to grow to historic heights and continue to surrender the rhetorical battleground to the libs (see ‘immigrant’ vs. ‘illegal immigrant’).

Of course, he’ll have the respect and friendship of the Democrats in the Senate.

Greg Toombs on January 25, 2009 at 9:26 PM

Spirit of 1776 on January 25, 2009 at 9:21 PM

Absolutely! Inhofe is another one. And no, sheebe, they aren’t hiding, they’re just few and far between. We need to correct that as soon as possible!

califcon on January 25, 2009 at 9:26 PM

Wow it took them a week. The house re-writes the bill, adds more tax cuts, GOP still obstructs. Do they really think they are still in the majority, compromise means you actually have to be willing to move. If they want it to be a party line vote the bill will look even less like they want it to look. Their choice really.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 25, 2009 at 9:26 PM

So when the first stimulus doesn’t work and the Dems come back for a second trillion dollar package should the GOP go along with that one too because the economy might get better and they will look bad?

If the GOP doesn’t oppose this on principle there is no reason for there to be a GOP in the first place.

Mark1971 on January 25, 2009 at 9:28 PM

If it works (trying not to laugh and cry simultaneously) the dems will of course take credit for being the majority who passed the stimulus.

If if fails, they will pin it on the GOP for not giving enough room for Ogabe to operate.

Prepare to have your lives run by clowns for the far foreseeable future.

Bishop on January 25, 2009 at 9:28 PM

McCain: I won’t be a rubber stamp for Obama

You know, there’s something inherently pathetic that the guy who just lost the election (the supposed leader of the opposition party) has to even make this point.

It speaks to how far the GOP has fallen and to how pathetic a candidate McCain was. When you have to argue that you won’t be a “rubber stamp” it is because (a) you’ve given America the impression that you will be and (b) you’re planning on supporting a huge part of what the opposition party plans on doing… just not all of it.

Whoop-de-do.

mankai on January 25, 2009 at 9:28 PM

Hmmm, why did it do it that way?

http://www.investors.com/editorial/cartoons/CartoonPopUp.aspx?id=310771494417300

Webrider on January 25, 2009 at 9:29 PM

McCain always stands on principle.

JetBoy on January 25, 2009 at 9:16 PM

You’re right. When the bailout came along, his principle about government pork was what he stood on. And wiped his shoes on.

MadisonConservative on January 25, 2009 at 9:29 PM

Do they really think they are still in the majority, compromise means you actually have to be willing to move.

“I won and I will trump you.”

I know, I guffawed at that obvious bit of bipartisanship too.

Bishop on January 25, 2009 at 9:30 PM

McCain: I won’t be a rubber stamp for Obama

You got that right my poco Chihuahua. You are my rubber stamp and don’t you ever forget it.

VinyFoxy on January 25, 2009 at 9:30 PM

How wonderful that the Dems have managed to turn a stockyard full of pork into the salvation of our economy. A salvation necessitated by the Republicans wrecking everything.

But Senator McCain is against the bill. This posturing is very unimportant. Our war hero should have opposed the last big gift to the people. We might have a different President now.

And the guy who vanquished him? The Republicans have a mess. It has been proclaimed that He is The One. Unless the wheels fall off, He has it made. A normal recovery will create two or three million jobs. He is predicting that he will create four. The Republicans keep complaining about the delayed nature of the expenditures in the present bill. But they should realize that the Dems already plan another one.

IlikedAUH2O on January 25, 2009 at 9:31 PM

Another really good Senator is Tom Coburn: I’d trade either Hutchinson or Cornyn for him, any day.

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/senators/one_item_and_teasers/coburn.htm

Webrider on January 25, 2009 at 9:32 PM

It’d be refreshing if I didn’t have so much blood gushing from my back from McCain stabs!

SouthernGent on January 25, 2009 at 9:35 PM

Are there no REAL Republicans left?

john1schn on January 25, 2009 at 9:15 PM

not too many in the larger cities or Congress, they are full of liberals and Rockefeller RINOs.

rural America … they are everywhere.

AZ_Redneck on January 25, 2009 at 9:35 PM

If Kurt Warner helps win the Super Bowl for the Arizona Cardinals next Sunday do you think he would have a chance to beat McCain if he ran against him in 2010? You know the old saying: “He could run for office and win.”

Of course, the Cardinals might lose and my speculation would then be academic.

technopeasant on January 25, 2009 at 9:35 PM

That an alleged Republican has to tell us that he won’t be a Democrat’s rubber stamp is telling.

Lehosh on January 25, 2009 at 9:36 PM

How wonderful that the Dems have managed to turn a stockyard full of pork into the salvation of our economy.

IlikedAUH2O on January 25, 2009 at 9:31 PM

that’s Dem election buy-off money for 2010 …

AZ_Redneck on January 25, 2009 at 9:37 PM

Hey all my fellow ******* conservatives…

I get you dislike McCain. McCain is far from perfect. But he is not President and is never going to be President. Vilifying him will just drive him to Obama. Encourage him to be the force against reckless spending. Yeah, McCain is not what you want on immigration. That is the least of your problems right now. McCain has the ability to call Obama on defense without being vilified as being pro torture, McCain can prevent the Dems from going off on war crime trials. McCain does have a decent conservative record on spending. With Senator Stewart Smalley looking like he is going to Washington D.C. in his clown car, we really cannot afford to give up any Senate seats.

Get your heads out of your collective butts.

Mr. Joe on January 25, 2009 at 9:37 PM

Seriously, you have as much strategic thinking as the French did before WWII, wake up you idiots!

Mr. Joe on January 25, 2009 at 9:38 PM

The Democrats are going to get credit if this works no matter what. A Republican getting credit for doing anything good by the MSM, doesn’t happen.

Hog Wild on January 25, 2009 at 9:39 PM

If the Repubs don’t oppose this, then there’s no point in having a Republican party.

blue13326 on January 25, 2009 at 9:39 PM

RONI

redrock on January 25, 2009 at 9:39 PM

To oppose the stimulus is essentially to wager that the recession will still be raging two years from now. Expect something like a 75-25 vote.

With dems in charge, what could go wrong. Of course, I could say the same thing about the repubs.

Johan Klaus on January 25, 2009 at 9:40 PM

Come on gang! I’m sure he will not be a rubber stamp! Perhaps the stamp pad, just not the stamp!

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on January 25, 2009 at 9:40 PM

AP’s got a great point here. A risk based economy will heal itself over time, to one degree or another, and any hint of a recovery will be credited directly to Obama’s Plan”. Anyone not voting in favor will be demonized mercilessly by the Drive-By’s.

aquaviva on January 25, 2009 at 9:18 PM

We’re going to be demonized anyway so whats the difference?

johnsteele on January 25, 2009 at 9:41 PM

Republicans need to attack the bad parts (expansion of government) and support the good parts (tax breaks) and leverage as much as they can so there is less of the former and more of the latter.

Mr. Joe on January 25, 2009 at 9:43 PM

John – Your wife is a brewery heiress. A brewery heiress. Good Lord, if you’re not smart enough to retire today you’re too damn dumb to serve tomorrow.

BHO Jonestown on January 25, 2009 at 9:43 PM

They cannot support a bill that hands $4 billion to ACORN for Obama’s Army.

At best, let them split- but after that fetid mess has been expunged.

drjohn on January 25, 2009 at 9:44 PM

I most likely will never go soft on McCain. He is like an abusive husband who slaps you upside the head one day then brings flowers the next. Depending on his mood and advantage that day, you never know what’s coming at you.

She he won’t be a rubber stamp for Obama huh…
He’ll just provide him with enough cover… ;)

katy on January 25, 2009 at 9:46 PM

Even so, I think the GOP has more to lose by opposing it than the Democrats do by supporting it;

I would have to strongly disagree. The GOP gains nothing by supporting it, regardless of its effects.

if the economy’s showing even faint signs of recovery by 2010 — for whatever reason — the media will credit the Messiah’s plan with having saved the world and Republicans will reap the whirlwind in the midterms.

The media are going to paint the GOP as being evil, no matter what happens. If things seem to be working out (and they won’t – not even close) then the media will ignore any GOP signatures on the bill and just talk about the “great Democatic save”. The media will discuss how the GOP only digned on to jump in on the credit ….

But that all doesn’t matter, because it is bad, bad, bad, bad policy and will run the country into the ground. In fact, this waste bill is so bad that only a total moron would want to have their name on it, as a thousand years from now those names will be studied as the morons who destroyed the greatest nation that had ever existed.

progressoverpeace on January 25, 2009 at 9:46 PM

But Senator McCain is against the bill.
IlikedAUH2O on January 25, 2009 at 9:31 PM

Oh How I’d love for McCain to show up at CPAC next month and have a Q&A session with them! He appeared last year just after securing the nomination and appeared with huge skepticism that he was the right candidate. He assured them that he was the next Ronald Reagan.

Is it too much to ask for the rat bastard political traitor to show up and face the wrath of real conservatives?

highhopes on January 25, 2009 at 9:46 PM

He won’t- not she he…. gawd, you try to make a funny and karma gets in the way…sheesh. I quit!

katy on January 25, 2009 at 9:48 PM

Republicans need to attack the bad parts (expansion of government) and support the good parts (tax breaks) and leverage as much as they can so there is less of the former and more of the latter.

Mr. Joe on January 25, 2009 at 9:43 PM

I generally agree with you Mr. Joe but the devil is in the details. Tax breaks for whom. The filthy bastard in office is going to give tax breaks for people different than those I would give relief.

The filthy bastard wants to reward those who got mortgages they couldn’t afford with federal dollars. I want to give tax breaks for those who actually pay taxes.

highhopes on January 25, 2009 at 9:50 PM

The house re-writes the bill, adds more tax cuts welfare checks…

DeathToMediaHacks irrelevant
on January 25, 2009 at 9:26 PM

jerrytbg on January 25, 2009 at 9:50 PM

if the economy’s showing even faint signs of recovery by 2010 — for whatever reason — the media will credit the Messiah’s plan with having saved the world and Republicans will reap the whirlwind in the midterms

Even if the economy is still horrid in 2010, Obama will get credit for “saving” 5 quadrillion jobs. It would have been much worse without Obama there to save us!

Lehosh on January 25, 2009 at 9:51 PM

Get your heads out of your collective butts.

Mr. Joe on January 25, 2009 at 9:37 PM

Another good will McCain emissary, I presume.

Cheshire Cat on January 25, 2009 at 9:51 PM

venividivici on January 25, 2009 at 9:22 PM

Excellent post……….. and forgive me, maybe I missed it,

………… but all previous corrections in the economy have been created by less government regulation and control, smarter business practices, and higher reward for risk taken.

Today…………. we have a problem that was caused by the government forcing social engineering onto the free market system under penalty by that same government,

…….. and once those failed policies caught up with the global economy and the system crashed, what does the government do…………. learn by it’s mistakes?

No……….. they make it worse, by throwing Trillions at it to try in vein to fix the problems they created without fixing the initial cause of governmental interference……….. WITHOUT any oversight or accountability!!!

“Senator……… we just threw a Trillion dollars at this problem, can you please tell us where the money went, and to what effect is has had in fixing our current economic crisis……….?

Senator answers…………… Ummmmmmmm…… No.”

And WHERE IS THE MEDIA, our watchdog, the protector of our freedoms, exposing graft, holding those in power over us accountable………….. NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

Mr. Obama farted today, and in all the headlines,

“It smelled like flowers and roses…….”

Mr. McCain ran on a platform that he would expose waste and graft in government spending, by naming names to all pork added to bills………….

………. he can still do that as a Senator, but he is not.

No one knows what is going to happen between now and the next election cycle,………

…….. but if a Conservative Republican would only stand up and call this all for what it is now, call out the players who caused it, called out the regulations that forced the bad business decisions on the private sector under social engineering politics, and put it on the record, got it out there, maybe even into “pop culture”, then at least the American people still have an opposing voice.

The Democrats will keep this crisis going on for as long as they hold breath in their lungs…………

……. it’s what they do, it’s who they are, they don’t want a fix, they want power, control, and never ending dependency on them in exchange for countless votes.

If this goes through with out true opposition………

……… 2010 won’t matter, we will all be looking at a very different United States of America than we even have today.

Seven Percent Solution on January 25, 2009 at 9:51 PM

Vilifying him will just drive him to Obama.

Get your heads out of your collective butts.

Mr. Joe on January 25, 2009 at 9:37 PM

A few comments on HotAir are going to “drive” this RINO somewhere? If that’s true, WHY didn’t the 40+ million votes he got in the general election inspire him to vote against the TARP bill?

califcon on January 25, 2009 at 9:54 PM

How wonderful that the Dems have managed to turn a stockyard full of pork into the salvation of our economy. A salvation necessitated by the Republicans wrecking everything.
IlikedAUH2O on January 25, 2009 at 9:31 PM

Do you mean Republicans like Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, and Paul Kanjorski.

Johan Klaus on January 25, 2009 at 9:57 PM

Since every Republican should know, that the MSM
will paint the Republicans at fault,let the entire
Liberal Party,House,Senate,deal with,

‘Their crisis’,

‘Their Social Engineering screw-up’

‘Their failed Forty years’!
————————-
————————–

REMEMBER: It was Nancy Pelosi,in the first bailout,and
after the Republicans got on board,and just
before the PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION,strutted to
the well,and in a very SLOW and DELIBERATE
VOICE,even tho,getting REPUBLICAN COOPERATION,
said”IT WAS 8 YEARS OF BUSH’S FAILED POLICIES”!

Then in slow-motion,Nancy said TWICE,”7 0 0
BILLION DOLLARS”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is the SNAKES that the Republican Party
are dealing with,

they get Republican help,then turn on you,
WHILE YOUR WATCHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Their is nothing for Republicans in this,
zero,zip,notta!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And the “Nothing” is The American People”!

For the Liberal Party is screwing the “American
People”

And it won’t be the fault Republican Party to
protect the American voter,because the Liberals
have sent this up,so politically beautiful!!

canopfor on January 25, 2009 at 9:57 PM

should be ‘fault of’.ugh.

canopfor on January 25, 2009 at 9:59 PM

Vilifying him will just drive him to Obama.

Get your heads out of your collective butts.

Mr. Joe on January 25, 2009 at 9:37 PM

He drove himself where he is and he drove conservatives away.

Johan Klaus on January 25, 2009 at 9:59 PM

Seven Percent Solution on January 25, 2009 at 9:51 PM

Another threadwinner, Seven! I hope you don’t mind, but I’ve taken to copying and pasting some of your posts in emails to friends and family.

califcon on January 25, 2009 at 10:01 PM

The basic problem we have, in this country, is that people are expecting this major problem we have to be fixed without much pain being experienced. This is impossible. There are no perpetual motion machines. Pain is going to experienced (a lot of pain) before this is fixed, or we can avoid pain (as all these waste bills are designed to do) and ride this out until it all really breaks our monetary system and ends our nation. Then we will really know pain.

This is the situation. Severe avoidance of pain will lead to death.

P.S. This does not even begin to address the general anti-competitive, anti-growth, economy killing policies that the idiot liberals are just waiting to shove down our throats, anyway. Card check, puke-green legislation, appeasing moves in the war being waged on us … all waiting to kill us aside from our monetary dilemma (that everyone talks about, mistakenly, in economic terms.

progressoverpeace on January 25, 2009 at 10:03 PM

Not a rubber stamp for Obama…but given his history, McCain may serve as an inconvenient speed bump.

Listen to Nancy Reagan, John….just say “No!”

coldwarrior on January 25, 2009 at 10:03 PM

……… 2010 won’t matter, we will all be looking at a very different United States of America than we even have today.

Seven Percent Solution on January 25, 2009 at 9:51 PM

Thomas Jefferson suggested we didn’t need to roll over and take it …

God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty…. And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.

Thomas Jefferson

time to water a tree?

AZ_Redneck on January 25, 2009 at 10:04 PM

canopfor on January 25, 2009 at 9:57 PM

Exactly. It’s amazing how so many conservatives seem to forget what utterly despicable morons the dems are.

progressoverpeace on January 25, 2009 at 10:05 PM

The Federal Gubmit is so far in debt it is a serious problem. This stimulus is borrowed money and our Republic is on borrowed time. If foreign investors stop buying gubmit paper, we are screwed. There is a bright spot, a small one, but a devalued Dollar means that US products will be cheaper to foreign consumers.

Pelayo on January 25, 2009 at 10:05 PM

califcon on January 25, 2009 at 10:01 PM

should be required reading…as 7%’s head explodes ;)
Seriously though…always good post’s and to the point .

jerrytbg on January 25, 2009 at 10:06 PM

2010 won’t matter……

Seven Percent Solution on Jan 25,2009 at 9:51PM.

Seven Percent Solution:Good to see yer on point:)

And,who’s at fault of this
catostrophic economy debauckle!

This is nothing more than a Liberal
ruse,

to SCARE THE HELL OUT OF THE AMERICAN
VOTER,

JUST BEFORE THE ELECTION,

and IT WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)

canopfor on January 25, 2009 at 10:07 PM

Dems were betting on failure in Iraq – that poor bet sure hurt *them* in the last couple of elections, eh?

Midas on January 25, 2009 at 10:08 PM

AZ_Redneck, that is the third awesome and timely Jefferson quote I’ve seen posted to blogs in the last few days. Maybe we need a Party of Jefferson.

Cause we are in some serious deep sh*t here and the people in charge can’t think of an alternative to digging us in deeper.

califcon on January 25, 2009 at 10:09 PM

Midas,
timing and a willing press helped.

jerrytbg on January 25, 2009 at 10:11 PM

Do they really think they are still in the majority, compromise means you actually have to be willing to move.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 25, 2009 at 9:26 PM

Seriously? That’s not at all how these things have gone in the past. When Republicans were in charge, they did move… to the Left.

Esthier on January 25, 2009 at 10:21 PM

Esthier on January 25, 2009 at 10:21 PM

This will no doubt veer the topic off course, but big state doesn’t = progressive. If I had my way the government would be much smaller because our military would be much smaller. *avoids the flying fruit*. What you mean is that they went statist, except that they’ve always been statist, has any GOP politician reduced the size of government of course not. But they’ve never moved to the left.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 25, 2009 at 10:23 PM

Vilifying him will just drive him to Obama.

Mr. Joe on January 25, 2009 at 9:37 PM

The man was tortured for years and didn’t give up. If I thought for even a second that mere criticism would push him towards the political “enemy”, then I would never have contributed to his campaign, even with Palin on the ticket.

If he goes towards Obama, that’s on him, not angry Republicans.

When did we stop holding politicians accountable for their own actions? Leiberman is still a Democrat, and he’s faced far worse than what McCain has ever faced. Surely you think McCain has at least as much integrity as his Left friend.

Esthier on January 25, 2009 at 10:26 PM

Any Obama fans want to explain how his plan is any better than Bush’s efforts to borrow our way out of the recession? I thought Obama was supposed to rescue us from Bush’s failed economic policies, not repeat them.

RightOFLeft on January 25, 2009 at 10:27 PM

Dems are beeting on failure in Irag-…….

Midas on Jan 25,2009 at 10:08PM.

Midas: After the Code Pinko’s,Sheehan,and the Liberal Party
tried sixteen different ways than sunday,to attack
the RIGHT,on Iraq,they came to the realization it
was a no go,for American votes,and they knew,that
their chances were screwed,

so,all of a sudden,there was a ‘DOOMSDAY SCENARIO’,
that was started up,

and viola,talking head lib shows,articles,’talkin
points’and the ‘DOOMDAY SCENARIO’ became the entire
focus of the election!!!

The rest,is,ahem, ‘HISTORICAL’!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on January 25, 2009 at 10:29 PM

Seven Percent Solution on January 25, 2009 at 9:51 PM

I used to think Congress’ incompetence was of the genial sort that could be ignored, but it’s definitely turning into the malevolent sort that needs to be stopped immediately.

You know it’s a terrible piece of legislation since the Democrats want GOP support. If the thing was so great and wonderful, the Dems would be ecstatic to pass it without a single GOP vote, just to take all the credit. All other discussion of the merits of the bill are just noise compared to that simple fact. The Democrats are willingly putting junk into law that they know won’t work except as political payoffs and they want the GOP to take part of the blame later on. If the Democrats don’t believe it will work, why should I?

venividivici on January 25, 2009 at 10:29 PM

crap,that should be betting,not beeting,apology to midas:)

canopfor on January 25, 2009 at 10:31 PM

AP’s got a great point here. A risk based economy will heal itself over time, to one degree or another, and any hint of a recovery will be credited directly to Obama’s Plan”. Anyone not voting in favor will be demonized mercilessly by the Drive-By’s.

aquaviva on January 25, 2009 at 9:18 PM

Regardless, I’d stand on the principle that I really don’t want to saddle the next 10 generations with debt. This approach is insanity, whatever short-term benefit to the economy. I’m sick of politicians doing things just for the next election cycle.

ddrintn on January 25, 2009 at 10:32 PM

Do they really think they are still in the majority, compromise means you actually have to be willing to move.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 25, 2009 at 9:26 PM

Compromise also means that you now realize, either through new information or a more accurate analysis of existing information, that your original stance was incorrect. You don’t need to compromise when you are right. The Federal government needs to shrink, not grow, or at least not grow at a rate faster than the inflation rate, and Federal taxes need to be lower, not higher. Any deviation from those two correct principles is a compromise not worth making, although, of course, those principles are more honored in the breach.

By those standards, there is no need to compromise on the GOP’s part.

venividivici on January 25, 2009 at 10:36 PM

If I had my way the government would be much smaller because our military would be much smaller. *avoids the flying fruit*.

Yes, that would certainly make the government smaller… and possibly nonexistent. Just please keep this in mind when politicians talk of vet benefits and homeless vets. That money has to come from somewhere.

What you mean is that they went statist, except that they’ve always been statist, has any GOP politician reduced the size of government of course not. But they’ve never moved to the left.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 25, 2009 at 10:23 PM

No, I mean in every sense of the word they went Left. Do you recall the confirmation hearings on judges (not just the Supreme Court justices; Harriet Miers was a bi-partisan disappointment)? Remember the Gang of 14?

Esthier on January 25, 2009 at 10:36 PM

venividivici on January 25, 2009 at 10:29 PM

+1

jerrytbg on January 25, 2009 at 10:37 PM

The Federal Gubmit is so far in debt it is a serious problem. This stimulus is borrowed money and our Republic is on borrowed time. If foreign investors stop buying gubmit paper, we are screwed. There is a bright spot, a small one, but a devalued Dollar means that US products will be cheaper to foreign consumers.

Pelayo on January 25, 2009 at 10:05 PM

It’s depressing. The only thing any stimulus bill will do is postpone the really hard times for our children and grandchildren.

RightOFLeft on January 25, 2009 at 10:39 PM

venividivici on January 25, 2009 at 10:36 PM

We had those kinds of tax friendly policies the last 30 years (Clinton really didn’t raise taxes in any significant way, neither did Bush 1). Low taxes as an economic strategy right now doesn’t work.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 25, 2009 at 10:40 PM

What you mean is that they went statist, except that they’ve always been statist, has any GOP politician reduced the size of government of course not. But they’ve never moved to the left.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 25, 2009 at 10:23 PM

What happens when the GOP hints at, say, privatizing Social Security, even partially? Or taking up the school vouchers issue? The Democrats will not let government “shrink”. More mouths at the government tits means more Democratic voters. That’s the idea behind “health care reform”, after all.

ddrintn on January 25, 2009 at 10:41 PM

There are people complaining about the federal debt AND wanting tax cuts. LOL OK.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 25, 2009 at 10:42 PM

Could use a little more “loyal” and whole lot more “opposition.”

greggriffith on January 25, 2009 at 10:49 PM

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