Obama to GOP leaders: Stop listening to Rush Limbaugh; Update: Rush responds

posted at 1:40 pm on January 24, 2009 by Allahpundit

Haven’t they already?

President Obama warned Republicans on Capitol Hill today that they need to quit listening to radio king Rush Limbaugh if they want to get along with Democrats and the new administration.

“You can’t just listen to Rush Limbaugh and get things done,” he told top GOP leaders, whom he had invited to the White House to discuss his nearly $1 trillion stimulus package.

One White House official confirmed the comment but said he was simply trying to make a larger point about bipartisan efforts.

Smart points in response from Tom Maguire, especially number three. If, contra his campaign rhetoric, The One really does plan on bringing back Fairness, he just made his task of selling it to the public as a nonpartisan measure not aimed squarely at conservative talk radio a lot harder. Exit question: What’s his game here? Obama’s a shrewd guy; he must have known a comment like that would leak and that Limbaugh would have a field day with it. Maybe he’s trying to buy himself cover with the left by antagonizing Rush into a blood feud? Progressives will be less likely to grumble about his tack to the center if their archenemy is on the air every day accusing him of being the Marxist antichrist. Or, doubly Machiavellian, maybe he’s trying to bolster Rush’s influence so that he’ll drag the GOP back to the right, leaving the center to Obama and the Dems. Maybe? All theories welcome! The more sinister, the better.

Update: Limbaugh fires back, via Byron York:

To make the argument about me instead of his plan makes sense from his perspective. Obama’s plan would buy votes for the Democrat Party, in the same way FDR’s New Deal established majority power for 50 years of Democrat rule, and it would also simultaneously seriously damage any hope of future tax cuts. It would allow a majority of American voters to guarantee no taxes for themselves going forward. It would burden the private sector and put the public sector in permanent and firm control of the economy. Put simply, I believe his stimulus is aimed at re-establishing “eternal” power for the Democrat Party rather than stimulating the economy because anyone with a brain knows this is NOT how you stimulate the economy. If I can be made to serve as a distraction, then there is that much less time debating the merits of this TRILLION dollar debacle.

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And Rush uses his opportunity to say…..the exact same stuff he’s been saying about these kinds of stimulus programs SINCE THE ELECTION. The man really only has about 5 ideas, he just packages them in different ways.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 24, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Okay, fair point. But those five are still as good as they ever were…he only has to keep repackaging them because of our famous American attention span. If it doesn’t look/sound new every couple years people just tune it out. Painful but unfortunately true.

Dark-Star on January 24, 2009 at 5:22 PM

…continue to cling to this free market ideology that Alan Greenspan has admitted was 100% wrong.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 24, 2009 at 3:14 PM

And there you have it people. An admission by someone who prefers tyranny over liberty. And then to give (false) teeth to this admission, feels compelled to misquote and attribute wrongly, out of context, and irrelevant.

More college students are working jobs than ever before and thus, doing the kinds of habits you insist lead to conservatism.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 24, 2009 at 3:16 PM

You just don’t get it, do you? It is far beyond a ‘habit’ that conservatives ‘insist’ on that which led us to conservatism. It requires thought. It requires respect. A natural distrust for government solutions. Individualism. An understanding of basic civics. I could ellaborate in detail of the above points, but I haven’t the time nor you the interest in getting beyond what ‘feels’ right. And that is usually the disconnect when juxtaposing the different philosophies. Just continue to ‘feel’ your way through it as your posts indicate. However, if you ever truly want to understand what conservatism really is, you’ll have to get beyond your feelings.

Thinking is mandatory.

anuts on January 24, 2009 at 5:24 PM

How many trillions of dollars have been spent on the lib’s, “War on Poverty?” They like wars as long as it’s a total waste but makes some of them ‘feel good.’
Cody1991 on January 24, 2009 at 4:29 PM

11 trillion in the last 30 years….progress you can “count” on.

milwife88 on January 24, 2009 at 5:24 PM

Hey Pres Obama next you can call a radio station (that carrys Rushs show) from air force 1 and complain just like slick willie.

thmcbb on January 24, 2009 at 5:26 PM

11 trillion in the last 30 years….progress you can “count” on.

milwife88 on January 24, 2009 at 5:24 PM

Yeah, the results are truly astonishing, aren’t they? Total disaster.

Cody1991 on January 24, 2009 at 5:27 PM

“utopia size”

Matt Helm on January 24, 2009 at 5:22 PM

That’s funny.

Spirit of 1776 on January 24, 2009 at 5:28 PM

I’m always meeting liberals who express their contempt that I listen to Rush, Fox, Hannity, etc. Problem is — I don’t. At all. None of the above. Ever. Insanely, when I tell them that, they actually don’t believe me. Apparently, they’re unacquainted with the notion of independent critical thinking.

rasqual on January 24, 2009 at 5:29 PM

Boortz at least shows some class. Mr. “pill-popping” Limbaugh just wants to see failure.

sethstorm on January 24, 2009 at 4:12 PM
And a coke, pot dealing thug is better?
At least Rush received help for his Dr induced addiction.
Again, Rush shows himself to be the better man.
Get your facts straight,..that’s NOT what Rush said!

christene on January 24, 2009 at 4:34 PM

Anyone who listened to Limbauh’s comments that day understood that he said he wanted the policies to fail. Is it possible that some here on HA didn’t actually listen to the actual comments, but instead relied on media reports?

Red State State of Mind on January 24, 2009 at 5:29 PM

anuts on January 24, 2009 at 5:24 PM

MOST EXCELLENT POST!!!

christene on January 24, 2009 at 5:30 PM

The reason that Obama won is because the Republicans had a port tack.

Johan Klaus on January 24, 2009 at 5:30 PM

11 trillion in the last 30 years….progress you can “count” on.
milwife88 on January 24, 2009 at 5:24 PM

11 trillion? You drive through a hood like Compton or even places I am forced to frequent like south Minneapolis and then remember that number.

Now think of this number: Ogabe is on the verge of spending one trillion on mostly social welfare programs. Three times as much as was spent in an average yearly basis since the WOP began.

Bishop on January 24, 2009 at 5:31 PM

As he says, he’s popular not because he tells us what to think, but because he has a voice for the things we ALREADY thought.

So true. Here’s how I discovered Rush Limbaugh, years ago:

A friend was talking politics to me. I’m not all that political, but I had my opinions about the issues of the day.

After a while, he said, “You must have been listening to Rush Limbaugh.” I said, who?

So I tuned in the next day to this guy on the radio.

And reported back to my friend, “Hey! This guy Rush is saying what *I* think!”

Alana on January 24, 2009 at 5:32 PM

We made it over 400 posts, my friend (yes that is McCain speak) with nary an off-tangent comment in the bunch.

I offer a virtual beer to all of you while I partake of the real thing.

Zywiec™, the Polish beer of champions.

Bishop on January 24, 2009 at 5:35 PM

And Rush uses his opportunity to say…..the exact same stuff he’s been saying about these kinds of stimulus programs SINCE THE ELECTION. The man really only has about 5 ideas, he just packages them in different ways.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 24, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Most of the good Conservative commentators that I’ve listened to tend to draw mainly on just a few documents along with common sense:

Dec of Indepenence
Federalist Papers
Constitution

You can use these documents as a basis for approaching any problem that government should get involved in.

Some folks, especially liberals, fall into a trap where they believe that the bigger a document is, the better; the more complex it is (see the EU Constitution for example)the better. One of the greatest things about our Constitution is it’s brevity.

Red State State of Mind on January 24, 2009 at 5:36 PM

This is a bad move in my opinion.

Why start with someone who can obviously demolish everything you say?

blatantblue on January 24, 2009 at 5:37 PM

I mean, why set yourself up for that? I think it shows he is naive and trying to be Mister Tough Guy. That act won’t work against Limbaugh. IDK, I think (and hope) this will backfire in some small way.

Perhaps election ads for 2012

blatantblue on January 24, 2009 at 5:38 PM

Right on Rush . . . you nailed it. He’s paying off his leftist benefactors and enslaving the country and its economy for years to come.

rplat on January 24, 2009 at 5:38 PM

Well Mr. Obama……..

………. what is it exactly that Mr. Limbaugh is saying that has you so frightened?

Please elaborate, and tell the American people your meaning when you want to silence another American citizen……

………. what is false in his message, what is wrong in his ideology, why to you disapprove when he uses his freedom of speech rights to argue against your political view and ideological view points?

You are the President of the United States, aren’t you…..?

Did we just not have eight long years of every liberal media outlet, newspaper, magazine, movie, TV sit-com, late night jokes, Sunday morning news show to the View totally trash President Bush……….?

What about………. “HE BETRAYED THIS COUNTRY, HE PLAYED ON OUR FEARS!!!”, and those former Presidents and Vice Presidents giving global speeches in foreign countries for millions of dollars fueling the fire of our enemies while Americans were fighting on the battle field……..?

Come on Mr. Obama………..

……… you “opened the door” to distraction……. where is the “transparency” that you promised?

You want to know what I believe……….?

………. You say a good game, but you do not have the courage to actually go, sit, and discuss the issues with someone like Rush.

In fact Mr. Obama……….. outside of Chicago, you are a coward, and it gives me no pleasure to give that title to the President of the United States of America.

Seven Percent Solution on January 24, 2009 at 5:39 PM

Seven Percent Solution on January 24, 2009 at 5:39 PM

+ Infinity Excellent post!

kingsjester on January 24, 2009 at 5:42 PM

We made it over 400 posts, my friend (yes that is McCain speak) with nary an off-tangent comment in the bunch.

Bishop on January 24, 2009 at 5:35 PM

And don’t forget to add the 357 comments from the headlines!

IrishEi on January 24, 2009 at 5:42 PM

It would allow a majority of American voters to guarantee no taxes for themselves going forward. It would burden the private sector and put the public sector in permanent and firm control of the economy.

If people are this stupid to think that having Obama as President guarantee no taxes for themselves going forward then they deserve what they get. Having Obama’s “stimulus” pass will put the public sector in permanent and firm control of the economy. This I can guarantee millions if not tens of millions of folks – you will be unemployed, you will never get your job back. period. You will be on welfare for the rest of your lives. Paying nothing now will guarantee you will get nothing later. The Federal government cannot “employ” every person that has lost their job. Jobs losses will accelerate as Obama picks up steam. I have been a small business owner for almost 30 years. Everyone I know is shutting down and throwing in the towel. I have stopped paying myself and thus I am not paying any taxes. Is this what hope & change is? In one week Obama has shown his true self and I don’t know how much more change America can afford.

izoneguy on January 24, 2009 at 5:42 PM

Obama is too weak to do this job for 48 months. His little shot at Rush this week defies his cool as a cucumber status. He can’t take the pressure. So what happens around mid-late 2010 when he crumbles under the stress?

sherry on January 24, 2009 at 5:43 PM

7%,
Right on!
L

letget on January 24, 2009 at 5:43 PM

FDR betrayed the Democrat Party, taking it progressively socialist. Had the attempted assassination succeeded his first term, Garner would never have taken America through Wilson’s ruts to demise the concept of private property and free enterprise as FDR did. Unlike FDR, Garner was against allowing the new UAW pirating of GM plants and property, enabling the union to cripple the industry. It isn’t as though laws could not have been passed to protect workers as has since occurred, not to enable the union to bring the industry into death throws. Also, regarding WWII, Garner would never have allowed Hawaii to be a mere military playground while Japan threatened the Pacific as FDR did. Finally, there’s no way that Garner would have favored Stalin over Churchill, nor would he have tolerated Eisenhower’s favoritism towards Montgomery vs. Patton.

John Nance Garner IV nicknamed “Cactus Jack” (November 22, 1868 – November 7, 1967) was the 44th Speaker of the United States House of Representatives (1931–33) and the 32nd Vice President of the United States (1933–41).

Wikipedia

It is too odd for the media booster club to keep aligning Obama with former presidents who died in office; Lincoln, FDR, and JFK. Obama shares no personal character qualities with Lincoln, nor does Obama share any ideology with Lincoln. The only reason that FDR and JFK enjoy “popularity” today is because the media created their myths. Of course the Republican Lincoln EARNED his status the hard way, without the benefit of any media support, only media criticism the likes of which would evaporate Obama.

maverick muse on January 24, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Seven Percent Solution on January 24, 2009 at 5:39 PM

Wow! +7 trillion per cent!!!

(Creeping decimalism got to me too.)

IrishEi on January 24, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Mr. Ummuh, meet Mr. Limbaugh (Zero mistakes, now documented to be almost always right 98.8 98.9 percent of the time).

RalphyBoy on January 24, 2009 at 5:47 PM

Seven Percent Solution on January 24, 2009 at 5:39 PM

Kudos!! Well said.

Cody1991 on January 24, 2009 at 5:48 PM

Mayhap Obama hasn’t figured out that one half of the voters don’t “want to get things done” the way the princeling and his fellow Dems want to do.

I say we adapt Alinsky’s rule that York ends his squib with and use it on the Dems.

onlineanalyst on January 24, 2009 at 5:48 PM

So what happens around mid-late 2010 when he crumbles under the stress?
sherry on January 24, 2009 at 5:43 PM

I look forward to Cantor or Pence having a sit-down with President Ogabe after the 2010 elections and saying, “We won and that will trump you.”

This fud is going to regret oh so many things he is saying now.

Bishop on January 24, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Seven Percent Solution on January 24, 2009 at 5:39 PM
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Ocrap!

RalphyBoy on January 24, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Seven Percent Solution on January 24, 2009 at 5:39 PM

+ Infinity Excellent post!

kingsjester on January 24, 2009 at 5:42 PM

Great post (as usual)

Red State State of Mind on January 24, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Bishop on January 24, 2009 at 5:50 PM

A priceless moment. And you’re right, it will have to be a Repub with a spine.

sherry on January 24, 2009 at 5:52 PM

FDR had three vice presidents:

Garner (blue dog Texan democrat who attempted to run as the Democrat POTUS after FDR’s 2nd term), Wallace (who ran for POTUS on the Progressive ticket), and of course Truman.

Besides implementing the obvious SOCIALISM via taxation upon America, does Obama plan to replicate FDR by himself having 3 vice presidents as well?

maverick muse on January 24, 2009 at 5:53 PM

Mayhap Obama hasn’t figured out that one half of the voters don’t “want to get things done” the way the princeling and his fellow Dems want to do.

Not to mention the cracks appearing on Ogabe’s halo even as we speak.

Straight from the HA headlines:
http://news.aol.com/article/obamas-nonbeliever-nod-unsettles-some/316339

Bishop on January 24, 2009 at 5:53 PM

Mr. President’s approval rate is at 68%. How long will it take to drop under 50 % because of his big mouth? Do I hear 2 weeks? a month? I can’t wait for Rush’s Monday show.

kingsjester on January 24, 2009 at 5:53 PM

Good advice.

I think Powell tried it too but go ahead and listen to Rush.

getalife on January 24, 2009 at 5:54 PM

Bishop on January 24, 2009 at 5:53 PM

Good article. Trying to be everyting to everybody typically ends in being nothing to nobody.

sherry on January 24, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Everyone I know is shutting down and throwing in the towel. I have stopped paying myself and thus I am not paying any taxes. Is this what hope & change is? In one week Obama has shown his true self and I don’t know how much more change America can afford.

izoneguy on January 24, 2009 at 5:42 PM

This is something BO will never, cannot understand. He’s never been responsible for anything. Most of the small business owners I know who could close have done so. The rest scaled back.

Cody1991 on January 24, 2009 at 5:59 PM

DeathToMediaHacks & e-pirate. Happy that the clowns won an election? And 70 million votes? Huh? Even if I give you that, the Dems are pathetic!

Precious Messiah and Joe the Schmoe got about 52% of the vote over a tired man with an inept campaign in the middle of an economic meltdown. Gee, that is sooo impresive. The other fact is that the Democratic party is now in such a rush to hand pork to the sundry losers which it relies on for support that it is making a fool of itself and damaging the nation. Blatant payoffs beating even the million plus a day that was given away by the affirmation action hero when he stoped by the senate.

The far right scares the liberals because the right end of the Republicans actually have a record of success. President Reagan on the economy and the former Eastern Bloc, President Bush on Iraq and numerous aid programs for Africa and a decent economic record till Bwarney Fwnaks’ help to people who couldn’t afford the houses they wanted came to toxic levels of foreclosures.

What DO we have from Democrats? A disgrace from Clinton who forced mothers to explain oral sex to kids since they heard it constantly on television, Peanut Carter who wrecked the economy, created rationing for gasoline and made us more impotent than necessary after another Dem hero, the $15 million net worth teacher from Texas, Landslide Lyndon bungled Viet Nam by massive intervention then running out of the White House. He was a loser. Not our warriors!

The last one of course, Ears Lyndon, being the best master of voter fraud till the present wonderboy.

What exactly are you dems proud of and you are threating whom?

IlikedAUH2O on January 24, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Someone correct me if I have this wrong:
One trillion dollars: If you had a trillion at the time Christ was crucified and spent 1 million a day every day since you would still have $260 billion left.
Anyone?
It’s beyond my comprehension, but it’s a heck of a lot of money.

Bambi on January 24, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Everything for Obama is about power, and we have the dumbest and weakest republicans in the senate (McConnell, McLame, Grahmnesty, Hatch, etc) who will be Obama’s lap dogs and do everything in his command.

McConnell said that this bill could pass in February without a threat of filibuster!! What kind of response is that?!

jencab on January 24, 2009 at 6:04 PM

The far right scares the liberals because the right end of the Republicans actually have a record of success
IlikedAUH2O on January 24

You are exactly right.

JellyToast on January 24, 2009 at 6:05 PM

FOX News Sunday (FNS): Host Chris Wallace talks abut Obama’s start with Ombaphants John McCain and Chuckie Schumer

From Redstate’s Sunday Talk Show Previews. You know Wallace will ask about “I win” and Rush.

Wethal on January 24, 2009 at 6:07 PM

I want Boortz to take his time slot.

Stand by while the Rushbots scream about how I want to stifle free speech, how terrible

Squid Shark on January 24, 2009 at 4:32 PM

They already are.

And a coke, pot dealing thug is better?
At least Rush received help for his Dr induced addiction.
Again, Rush shows himself to be the better man.
Get your facts straight,..that’s NOT what Rush said!

christene on January 24, 2009 at 4:34 PM

I don’t believe Boortz’s employer or their parent company would tolerate drug use, possession or sale.

If not Boortz, then who/whom are you talking about?

Normal people would have had those 10 felony counts stand.

sethstorm on January 24, 2009 at 6:08 PM

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0978736842/ref=sib_dp_ptu#reader-link

It reads like a sick joke. I hope it is, but I’m afraid it’s not.

capitalist piglet on January 24, 2009 at 4:19 PM

un friggin believable
Scariest thing I’ve seen all day

tehd on January 24, 2009 at 6:10 PM

This is something BO will never, cannot understand. He’s never been responsible for anything. Most of the small business owners I know who could close have done so. The rest scaled back.

Well, this will bite Obama in the ass. I did not vote for him. No one I know did because they feared what we are seeing now. Obama will never take a pro-active stance to business and this will be the cause of our next depression. Once that takes hold the government will become desperate and accelerate the printing of money to “stabilize” the economy. Bread will cost $15 a loaf (if we will even be able to get it). Soon the government will have to issue military C-rations to quell the violence in the streets. I am not to worried about the “stimulus” plan. The tax base in this country will erode to the point where it won’t matter anyway.

izoneguy on January 24, 2009 at 6:10 PM

sethstorm on January 24, 2009 at 6:08 PM

(formatting issues aside, oops)

My responses were:

Squid Shark on January 24, 2009 at 4:32 PM

They already are.

christene on January 24, 2009 at 4:34 PM

I don’t believe Boortz’s employer or their parent company would tolerate drug use, possession or sale. If not Boortz, then who/whom are you talking about?

Normal people would have had those 10 felony counts stand.

sethstorm on January 24, 2009 at 6:10 PM

This is how they are doing it. Distractions. Knowing that most of the American People don’t have a spine to say anything or make their points across. http://capwiz.com/americansforprosperity/issues/alert/?alertid=12445731
Go to this page and sign against the Stimulus. It is a start. There are other sites also. All idea’s are important. I got the above URL from a very special caring person. I already signed it and mailed every one I know.

sheebe on January 24, 2009 at 6:11 PM

Seven Percent Solution on January 24, 2009 at 5:39 PM

Awesome post, 7%!!

califcon on January 24, 2009 at 6:11 PM

McConnell said that this bill could pass in February without a threat of filibuster!! What kind of response is that?!

jencab on January 24, 2009 at 6:04 PM

He knows he doesn’t have the votes to stop it. McCain-Graham will jump, and possibly the Maine Girls.

Still it was bad to concede so completely so early. A more principled “We will be looking out for the taxpayer, the small businessman, etc. in our review of the bill,” would have been better.

But that would take principles, and McConnell used the pork he’d brought back to KY as part of his pitch for re-election. He can’t really argue for fiscal responsibility. Few members of the GOP can at this point.

Wethal on January 24, 2009 at 6:12 PM

This I can guarantee millions if not tens of millions of folks – you will be unemployed, you will never get your job back. Period. You will be on welfare for the rest of your lives. Paying nothing now will guarantee you will get nothing later. The Federal government cannot “employ” every person that has lost their job. Jobs losses will accelerate as Obama picks up steam.

izoneguy on January 24, 2009 at 5:42 PM

That’s right, because it’s all about nepotism with the Dems. Once you sell your soul to them and get on the dole, you’re in it to win it. When they promise you a job, they move an office from somewhere else. They send their trash from DC, and the locals won’t get a job until someone else retires. You might wait your whole life for as job worth having, because positions only come up every few years and you most likely won’t even be called for an interview. A friend of mine has a Masters in Criminal Justice, 13 years as a paramedic, fluent Spanish speaker and a PhD in Mental Health Counselor. You know what they offered her, a single mother with an 8 year old son? Warden in a maximum security prison, and she might have taken it, except she’d lose her retirement at the lower paying job where she was at and most importantly — what if some maniac killed her at work?

chunderroad on January 24, 2009 at 6:12 PM

Obama to GOP leaders

:

Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing an Idiot!!

christene on January 24, 2009 at 6:12 PM

sethstorm on January 24, 2009 at 6:08 PM

Yes, but are you, Obama, etc. able to defend your ideas?

anuts on January 24, 2009 at 6:13 PM

Sorry about the grammar and typos. Gotta run to dinner, but GO RUSH!

chunderroad on January 24, 2009 at 6:13 PM

Alan Greenspan has admitted was 100% wrong.

No, he didn’t. Greenspan is no free marketer, and hasn’t been since before he took the job as Fed chairman. But he certainly did not say that he thought free market capitalism (a redundancy) is 100% wrong.

Here is what he said:

“As I wrote last march those of us who have looked to the self-interest of lending institutions to protect shareholders equity, myself especially, are in a state of shocked disbelief. Such counterparty surveillance is a central pillar of our financial market’s state of balance. If it fails as occurred this year, market stability is undermined. What went wrong with global economic policies that had worked so effectively for nearly four decades? The breakdown has been most apparent in the securitization of home mortgages.

The evidence strongly suggests that without the excess demand from securitizers, subprime mortgage originations, undeniably the original source of the crisis, would have been far smaller and defaults accordingly far fewer. But subprime mortgages pooled and sold as securities became subject to explosive demand from investors around the world. These mortgage-backed securities being subprime were originally offered at what appeared to be exceptionally high risk adjusted market interest rates. But with the U.S. home prices still rising, delinquency and foreclosure rates were deceptively modest, losses were minimal. To the most sophisticated investors in the world, they were wrongly viewed as a steal.

The consequent surge in global demand for U.S. subprime securities by banks, hedge and pension funds, supported by unrealistically positive rating designations by credit agencies, was in my judgment the core of the problem. Demand became so aggressive that too many securitizers and lenders believed they were able to create and sell mortgage-backed securities so quickly that they never put their shareholders capital at risk, and hence, did not have the incentive to evaluate the credit quality of what they were selling. Pressures on lenders to supply more paper collapsed subprime underwriting standards from 2005 forward. Uncritical acceptance of credit ratings by purchasers of these toxic assets has led to huge losses. It was the failure to properly price such risky assets that precipitated the crisis.

In recent decades a vast risk management and pricing system has evolved combining the best insights of mathematicians and finance experts, supported by major advances in computer and communications technology. A Nobel Prize was awarded for the discovery of the pricing model that underpins much of the advance in derivatives markets. This modern risk management paradigm held sway for decades. The whole intellectual edifice however collapsed in the summer of last year because the data inputted into the risk management models generally covered only the past two decades, a period of euphoria. Had instead the models been fitted more appropriately to historical periods of stress, capital requirements would have been much higher and the financial world would be in far better shape today in my judgment.”

JDPerren on January 24, 2009 at 6:14 PM

Bambi on January 24, 2009 at 6:01 PM

A trillion minutes ago it was 2 million years ago.

A trillion inches equals 16 million miles (around the earth 667 times.)

A trillion dollars would fill a football field (300 feet long and 150 feet wide) 400 feet high (or approximately 40 stories) with dollar bills.

Mind boggling, isn’t it?

IrishEi on January 24, 2009 at 6:14 PM

Wethal on January 24, 2009 at 6:12 PM

Still, can’t they at least make a stand, pull a Forlorn Hope against the dems?

So the filibuster gets overridden, at least man-up and fight them until overwhelmed, show the rest of us that they still have a will if not necessarily the way at this time.

Bishop on January 24, 2009 at 6:15 PM

“kingsjester on January 24, 2009 at 5:53 PM”

i say springtime, but that presumes he gets his sea legs and stops making such asinine statements. if he doesn’t, yet, we’ll be measuirng it in weeks …

Buckaroo on January 24, 2009 at 6:16 PM

11 trillion in the last 30 years….progress you can “count” on.
milwife88 on January 24, 2009 at 5:24 PM

11 trillion? You drive through a hood like Compton or even places I am forced to frequent like south Minneapolis and then remember that number.
Bishop on January 24, 2009 at 5:31 PM

Eleven trillion dollars, if left in the hands of the free market, would have created an unimaginably vast font of wealth for all Americans.

But when properly organized, eleven trillion dollars became something far more impressive: an economic black hole; a never-ending vortex that sucks greater and greater amounts of resources through one central point.

And that’s the only real goal of collectivism. Liberals have no desire to CREATE wealth; they only want to CONTROL wealth.

logis on January 24, 2009 at 6:17 PM

Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing an Idiot!!

christene on January 24, 2009 at 6:12 PM

Somewhere in Hawaii a tree is missing a coconut.

TexasJew on January 24, 2009 at 6:17 PM

Obama Stimulus: $1 Trillion, 600,000 Government Jobs and Few Media Questions

The words “economic stimulus” have a certain appeal to them because, after all, who wouldn’t want the U.S. economy to be stimulated?

“Well, do we really want to create 20 percent of the jobs in the public sector?” McConnell said. “That would be 600,000 new government jobs. That’s about the size of the post office workforce.”

“Governments cannot create but merely redirect,” Schiff wrote. “When the government spends, the money has to come from somewhere. If the government doesn’t have a surplus, then it must come from taxes. If taxes don’t go up, then it must come from increased borrowing. If lenders won’t lend, then it must come from the printing press, which is where all these bailouts are headed. But each additional dollar printed diminishes the value those already in circulation. Something cannot be effortlessly created from nothing.”

And the same is true for job “creation” by the government – as Schiff noted. Government’s interference in the labor pool by competing with private-sector jobs or by propping up inefficient jobs through acts like the auto bailout would disrupt the marketplace and further damage the economy.

“You can’t bail someone out of trouble without putting someone else into trouble and the federal government doesn’t have a tooth fairy,” Laffer said on CNBC’s Jan. 5 “Fast Money.” “And every dollar of tax rebate or stimulus, whatever you want to call it has to come from the taxpayer sooner or later. And that’s going to hurt the economy.”

The media should be showing how government stimulus doesn’t work, as Japan found out in the 1990s.

This has gotten very little attention from the broadcast network media, with exception of former Bush adviser, Fox News Channel’s Karl Rove, who appeared in an interview on NBC’s Dec. 2, 2008 “Today.” “Today” co-host Matt Lauer referenced a Nov. 28, 2008 Wall Street Journal piece Rove wrote that used the Japan example and asked him if he thought Obama’s stimulus was destined to fail.

“He [Obama] laid some broad outlines, giving money to states in infrastructure spending and couple of other items,” Rove said. “And look, federal highway dollars, one out of every four federal highway dollars are spent in the year that they’re appropriated. Three out of four are spent years and years later. Japan put a half a trillion dollars into infrastructure spending in the decade of the ‘90s and it didn’t work in stimulating their economy.”

izoneguy on January 24, 2009 at 6:18 PM

It reads like a sick joke. I hope it is, but I’m afraid it’s not.

capitalist piglet on January 24, 2009 at 4:19 PM

un friggin believable

OMG! this is so sick! Thank you for finding this. The sickest Leader I have ever seen. I have seen many Presidents. But this Clown takes the cake. He is a Narcissist! With a ego and no idea what he is doing.

sheebe on January 24, 2009 at 6:19 PM

IrishEi on January 24, 2009 at 6:14 PM

A trillion dollars would buy me one hell of a nice car and maybe even a faux-wooden shift knob to accessorize it.

Scary when you think about it.

Bishop on January 24, 2009 at 6:19 PM

GOP leaders don’t pay attention to Rush so the filthy bastard is wrong from the beginning. GOP leaders allow themselves to be “collegial” with filthy bastard’s crowd. Rush isn’t the problem- he’s the freakin’ voice these “Republicans” should have been listening to instead of figuring out ways to spend like drunken Democrats.

highhopes on January 24, 2009 at 6:19 PM

Go watch some Peter Schiff videos on youtube.
It’s quite illuminating as to where all this is going.

He nailed it in 2006, 2007 and 2008, and there’s no reason to believe that he is not pretty much on the money right now.

TexasJew on January 24, 2009 at 6:20 PM

We should organize a protest against the trillion dollar socialist bailout rally in every city.

Whining about it on the radio or in internet comment lines isn’t enough. We need large numbers of visible opposition to this.

Mr Purple on January 24, 2009 at 6:20 PM

Since this is a 400+ comment thread I apoligize in advance if it’s already been said.

Had the GOP been listening to Limbaugh for the last 8 years they might still be in power.

BowHuntingTexas on January 24, 2009 at 6:20 PM

“TexasJew on January 24, 2009 at 6:17 PM”

hey! he’s not ours! he’s an IL pol, plain and simple …
:-)

Buckaroo on January 24, 2009 at 6:21 PM

TexasJew on January 24, 2009 at 6:17 PM

LOLOL!!

christene on January 24, 2009 at 6:21 PM

Anyone who hasn’t already done so, should sign up for Rush’s Limbaugh letter and 24/7 to show support for Rush.

ctmom on January 24, 2009 at 6:22 PM

YOu mean stop listening until the democommies
can SILENCE the LAST 3 radio stations
NOT under liberal control…

Yea Up yours obama

jcila on January 24, 2009 at 6:23 PM

I don’t believe Boortz’s employer or their parent company would tolerate drug use, possession or sale.

You are tolerating it in the President of the United States, why would you expect a lower level of tolerance from private industry?

Bishop on January 24, 2009 at 6:24 PM

Had the GOP been listening to Limbaugh for the last 8 years they might still be in power.

BowHuntingTexas on January 24, 2009 at 6:20 PM

I don’t remember reading it, but I joined in on the 3rd page. However, it can’t be said enough. GOP leaders never actually listen to conservative media people. If they did, a phrase like “compassionate conservatism” never would have existed.

jimmy the notable on January 24, 2009 at 6:24 PM

Still, can’t they at least make a stand, pull a Forlorn Hope against the dems?

So the filibuster gets overridden, at least man-up and fight them until overwhelmed, show the rest of us that they still have a will if not necessarily the way at this time.

Bishop on January 24, 2009 at 6:15 PM

Sure, and I think some will. It looks as if Boehner might take a stand. His whole caucus has to defend their votes in two years. There will be GOP senators who will oppose it. Maybe even slow it down procedurally, as they did with amnesty.

Obama want this to be bipartisan, which means he wants a good chunk of GOP votes to spread the blame around. I read somewhere he wants 80 votes in the senate, which would be almost 50% of the GOP there.

When that very first TARP came up, Nancy wanted Boehner to deliver 100 GOP votes for cover, and he wouldn’t.

Obama knows he can get something past the Congress. He has the votes. He just doesn’t want to take sole responsibility for any delays in a recovery and downturn in the economy.

And Harry and Nancy don’t want to face GOP opponents who say “I voted against Obama’s failed stimulus.” So the GOP senators up in 2010 might prove interesting.

Wethal on January 24, 2009 at 6:25 PM

sheebe on January 24, 2009 at 6:19 PM

He knows exactly what he’s doing. He just doesn’t know how big the backlash is going to be.

Tommy_G on January 24, 2009 at 6:26 PM

And I mean that in the nicest possible way.

jimmy the notable on January 24, 2009 at 6:26 PM

http://www.amazon.com/Pocket-Obama-Editors-History-Company/dp/0978736842/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1232839542&sr=8-1

You have got to check this out.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0978736842/ref=sib_dp_ptu#reader-link

It reads like a sick joke. I hope it is, but I’m afraid it’s not.

capitalist piglet on January 24, 2009 at 4:19 PM

un friggin believable
Scariest thing I’ve seen all day

tehd on January 24, 2009

Absolutely incredible.
“Unofficial requirement for every American citizen to own, carry and read at all times….”
Obama’s own little blue red book. Blue is the new communist red!

JellyToast on January 24, 2009 at 6:28 PM

Obama want this to be bipartisan, which means he wants a good chunk of GOP votes to spread the blame around.

Wethal on January 24, 2009 at 6:25 PM

Exactly.

IrishEi on January 24, 2009 at 6:28 PM

jimmy the notable on January 24, 2009 at 6:26 PM

Thanks.

BowHuntingTexas on January 24, 2009 at 6:28 PM

Plus there is an element of peer pressure. Remember these are 18 and 19 year olds. Last thing anyone at that age wants to do is go against the majority thinking.

Indeed. As MTV goes, so goes the youth vote.

NoLeftTurn on January 24, 2009 at 6:30 PM

Everyone I know is shutting down and throwing in the towel. I have stopped paying myself and thus I am not paying any taxes.

This is something BO will never, cannot understand. He’s never been responsible for anything. Most of the small business owners I know who could close have done so. The rest scaled back.
Cody1991 on January 24, 2009 at 5:59 PM

BO may know nothing at all about running a business, but he understands Socialism perfectly well.

As Stalin said: co-opt the large businesses into controllable blocks, and tax the small businessman out of existence. In America today, you see financial institutions and other industries scrambling together into a handful of cartels that are “too big to fail”, and sticking their beaks out like baby birds hoping for a regurgitated meal.

The only option for small business owners is to go underground. What you’re seeing now is merely a drastic stepping-up of tax dodging. But soon, business owners will just routinely hand their protection money to the local Party boss instead of to the IRS. Which will, of course, lead to increased enforcement and development of a full-blown black market.

logis on January 24, 2009 at 6:32 PM

Exit question: What’s his game here? Obama’s a shrewd guy; he must have known a comment like that would leak and that Limbaugh would have a field day with it. Maybe he’s trying to buy himself cover with the left by antagonizing Rush into a blood feud?

Why do Allah and Ed insist on continuing with this notion that BHO is smart (or shrewd, or whatever)? I mean, you guys keep saying that you think he’s smart and then have a list of questions about why such a smart person would do such dumb things.

Let me help you out: B Hussein Obama is a friggin’ MORON! He does stupid things because he is stupid. I don’t know how many times someone has to listen to the idiot messiah stumble through various issues before they are willing to admit that he is as dumb as he seems to be – exhibiting cognitive skills that might rival those of small pebbles, on a good day.

This is really getting ridiculous. BHO is not a “first-class intellect” and he doesn’t “have brains to spare for the job”. He’s a moron that no one at Harvard ever thought of cheating off of, I’m sure. No doubt the idiot messiah got decent grades at Harvard, but no one else could get the same grades for the same work, because it was all about affirmative action, just as his Presidency of the Law Review was, just as this election was, and just as the treatment he is still receiving is.

Just admit that the idiot messiah is an idiot (as you keep providing ample evidence in your questioning about how such a shrewd guy could act like such an idiot). The truth may hurt someone, but it is the truth. And the rest of us are the ones about to be REALLY hurt by his idiocy, anyway.

progressoverpeace on January 24, 2009 at 6:33 PM

Here’s stimulus for ya. Pay close attention to the right side of the graph.

And you wonder why Rush opposes you, oh Magnificent Oneness?

(Note: I got this from a link at The Corner.)

IrishEi on January 24, 2009 at 6:33 PM

Barack The Magic Negro seems to have gotten under the Presidents skin.

Unfortunately Rush sat idly by while Bush socialized a great portion of our economy. Medicare Drug, No Child Left Behind, etc. He simply cheer leaded the President on because the Republicans were in power.

Someday we will regret the day we did not make a stand.

True_King on January 24, 2009 at 6:33 PM

President Obama should listen to his historians. Banning books results in people rushing (no pun intended) to get and read to see what is so objectional. In the 1990’s President Clinton finally learned that complaining about Rush was the wrong tact, and instead ignored Limbaugh, but it took time to learn that.

The result of President Obama’s complaint will be an increase in Limbaugh’s listenership, and loss of public support for the fairness doctrine.

If Limbaugh doesn’t sue and win, he’ll go to XM and then his followers and his haters will subscribe to listen. Too funny if you ask me.

Snake307 on January 24, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Question:

How would that work when he just renewed his contract? If it is nulled and void he’d have to be paid in full for all future xmissions he could not do; if he goes to XM better for me; I will get a subscription b/c he was taken off Jet Radio 1400 AM here where I live and the station that carries him now I can barely tune it in. They put instead Dennis Miller radio show when I had Neal Boortz, Rush and Sean (still there, phew!). To listen to Rush with a good radio signal, I’d have to be an hour or so away from home to get a good signal.

ProudPalinFan on January 24, 2009 at 6:37 PM

I think it is hilarious that Rush Limbaugh, who does not have the education of the anointed conservative punditry consistently out thinks those who would like to pigeon hole his listenership into the role of uneducated hicks.

Bill C on January 24, 2009 at 6:38 PM

He knows exactly what he’s doing. He just doesn’t know how big the backlash is going to be.

Tommy_G on January 24, 2009 at 6:26 PM

LOL!! how have you been Tommy_G?

sheebe on January 24, 2009 at 6:40 PM

Someone correct me if I have this wrong:
One trillion dollars: If you had a trillion at the time Christ was crucified and spent 1 million a day every day since you would still have $260 billion left.
Anyone?
It’s beyond my comprehension, but it’s a heck of a lot of money.

Bambi on January 24, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Actually you would have 999,266,350,000 approx.

thomasaur on January 24, 2009 at 6:42 PM

Sounds like O’Bambi is having a little whiney temper tantrum that the whole world just wont bow down and kiss his “chiseled pecks” puk’orama. First its Fox News by name, then its Hannity by name, now all of a sudden its Rush…

O’Bambi grow up– the conservatives are not going to take the blame for your ineffectiveness. Stop with the Rules for Radicals and …dammit O’Bambi I sure hope you get with the program and read Hot Air!

canditaylor68 on January 24, 2009 at 6:43 PM

progressoverpeace on January 24, 2009 at 6:33 PM

We don’t actually know what kind of grades he got…anywhere.

jimmy the notable on January 24, 2009 at 6:47 PM

Thanks to all that appreciated my earlier post……

…… I am trying to keep an eye on events, while chasing my six year old around the house.

Final thought for the moment…..

…. I believe Mr. Obama really stepped in it, up to his arm pits in this one.

You can pull the wool over most of the sheeple’s eyes, and create the cult of personality that blinds all to ascend you to power……….

……. but, once you start screwing with one of the basic principles of the the Bill of Rights of this country, as in…

“Don’t listen to what that person has to say, or else…..”,

there is a little “Minuteman” in all of us that says……….

“What did you just say Michael Foxtrot……?”

……… the bloom is quickly falling off the rose.

The news is proclaiming a 68% approval rating after less than a week in office…….

………… wasn’t it 80% last Tuesday?

Seven Percent Solution on January 24, 2009 at 6:48 PM

thomasaur on January 24, 2009 at 6:42 PM

It would take you approximately 2,740 years to spend $1 trillion if you spent $1 million per day.

IrishEi on January 24, 2009 at 6:48 PM

Obama is shrewd the way a con artist is shrewd, but a con artist picks his chumps carefully. Obama chose Chicago and the Dem machine because he knew he could rise if he played by their rules in an environment in which he’d rarely be called upon to defend his actions.

The Chicago Way protected him from the consequences of any failure by controlling all the outcomes (federal prosecutors being excepted.)

But now he’s in the international spotlight, and there are people are who are smarter than he is, albeit not more powerful. He’s likes the spotlight when he’s performing, but not when he’s making decisions.

Wethal on January 24, 2009 at 6:52 PM

It would take you approximately 2,740 years to spend $1 trillion if you spent $1 million per day.

IrishEi on January 24, 2009 at 6:48 PM

Not if you are Barney Frank………

…….. on a weekend jaunt to San Francisco for a little “slap and tickle”.

Seven Percent Solution on January 24, 2009 at 6:54 PM

Not if you are Barney Frank………

…….. on a weekend jaunt to San Francisco for a little “slap and tickle”.

Seven Percent Solution on January 24, 2009 at 6:54 PM

No more visuals, please! *gag*

LOL

IrishEi on January 24, 2009 at 6:58 PM

It would take you approximately 2,740 years to spend $1 trillion if you spent $1 million per day.

IrishEi on January 24, 2009 at 6:48 PM

You are correct my equation was incomplete.

thomasaur on January 24, 2009 at 6:58 PM

Seven Percent Solution on January 24, 2009 at 6:54 PM

And there went my dinner…

Matt Helm on January 24, 2009 at 6:59 PM

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