Heart-ache: Some Christians miffed at Obama’s reference to atheists
posted at 8:23 pm on January 24, 2009 by Allahpundit
Really? Here’s what he said:
“We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus, and nonbelievers.”
100 percent true. And yet:
With that one line, the president “seems to be trying to redefine American culture, which is distinctively Christian,” said’ Bishop E.W. Jackson of the Exodus Faith Ministries in Chesapeake, Va. “The overwhelming majority of Americans identify as Christians, and what disturbs me is that he seems to be trying to redefine who we are.”
Earlier this week, Jackson was a guest on the popular conservative Christian radio show ‘Janet Parshall’s America,’ where a succession of callers, many of whom identified themselves as African-American, said they shared the concern, and were perplexed and put off by the president’s shout-out to nonbelievers…
Jackson says: “Obviously, Jewish heritage is very much a part of Christianity; the Jewish Bible is part of our Bible. But Hindu, Muslim, and nonbelievers? I don’t think so. We are not a Muslim nation or a nonbelieving nation.”
Newsflash, champ: Add up Jews, Mormons, Muslims, and Hindus and you’re still barely a quarter of the way towards the number of Americans who check “unaffiliated” when asked on surveys. In fact, among Christian sects, only Catholics and Baptists outnumber them. As for the moronic atheists who are turning cartwheels because The One boldly acknowledged a simple fact, see this guy: “Why on earth should I be moved, impressed, or happy that someone has deigned to recognize the physical existence of atheists in America? Wow — atheists exist! Stop the presses!” Exit question one: Does anyone seriously have a problem with this? I figure half of the progressive base is atheist; he was basically obliged to say it. Exit question two: Dude, what if the rumors are true? I can have the “My President Is An Atheist” t-shirts available for sale at Cafe Press within an hour!
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Its seems that Left will stop at the Liberal Church,and
worship at the alter of Liberalism first,or is it the
Socialist church!!
Now whats this about Liberals and Christianity!(Sarc!).
canopfor on January 24, 2009 at 8:31 PM
This is a bit of Obama bashing since Bush made similar expressions when talking about America and Americans.
At the 2006 National Prayer Breakfast, Bush said:
Similar examples abound.
I guess one can argue that Bush meant something different than Obama.
SteveMG on January 24, 2009 at 8:32 PM
And people think he’s a Christian why? Twenty years of sitting in “Reverend” Wright’s hate whitey fest? This is Christian?
johnsteele on January 24, 2009 at 8:33 PM
He’s not an atheist. What kind of cold-hearted bastard doesn’t believe in his own father?
jimmy the notable on January 24, 2009 at 8:34 PM
Of course one can. The fact that Bush said the exact same thing as Obama is irrelevant to those who love to have their preconceptions confirmed. Bush is ‘us’; Obama is ‘them.’
Grow Fins on January 24, 2009 at 8:35 PM
I’m not the authority on who is a real Christian and who is a fake one.
I thought we agreed that auto-de-fes were out of fashion? (just joking)
SteveMG on January 24, 2009 at 8:35 PM
Yes, and those on your side who called Bush a religious zealot ignore statements like the one he made cited above.
Same old act from you every time, eh?
SteveMG on January 24, 2009 at 8:37 PM
I’m with Allah on this one. Yes Virginia, there are atheist.
Zorro on January 24, 2009 at 8:37 PM
Exit one: Tolerance me thinks,but when it comes to
Obama,who really knows!
Exit two:When it comes to Hopey,you can believe what
Obama believes,which could be anything and
everthing!!!!!!!!
canopfor on January 24, 2009 at 8:38 PM
Reverse Bush and Obama and you’ve got the Liberals’ spin on why the rest of his inauguration speech sounded so eerily familiar.
jimmy the notable on January 24, 2009 at 8:38 PM
Yeah………..
……….. let’s start paying for abortions all over the world.
Seven Percent Solution on January 24, 2009 at 8:38 PM
I’m a Presbyterian minister, and no, I don’t have a problem with this. In fact, I am embarrassed that there are Christians who refuse to acknowledge the existence and importance of atheists and other non-Christians or non-believers in this country. We don’t have to agree with other people’s religious views to appreciate their other contributions to society, and to value them as people. And that goes double for you, AP.
Athanasius on January 24, 2009 at 8:38 PM
in my 42 years i never seen so much identity politic.
it feels like before just last week i never gave a second thought about another persons religion OR race, was that just me?
did someone flip a switch somewhere?
trailortrash on January 24, 2009 at 8:39 PM
That remark The One said should make people aware of his agenda. Muslims? That is so far from the truth. Non Believers? Right! I don’t blame the churches for being upset. But, look at all the Christians that voted for that Clown. Look at the Catholics that voted for that Clown. A man that shuts down Gitmo because it is inhumane. But aborting a unborn child is not. He is a sick man and so is his cabinet. Our Reps are not to far behind him. The Republican’s that we have left that are real. Better start standing up.
sheebe on January 24, 2009 at 8:39 PM
What about the Buddhists and the Scientologists and the Deists and the pagans…?
And I thought Obama was supposed to be so inclusive and tolerant.
Disturb the Universe on January 24, 2009 at 8:39 PM
+5
It’s merely an acknowledgment that the US is extremely diverse when it comes to faith. And we all peacefully coexist.
rbj on January 24, 2009 at 8:40 PM
There is no God but Allah
And Obama is his Prophet.
Venusian Visitor on January 24, 2009 at 8:40 PM
Allah,
Jackson is the same guy in the headlines that you listed the story as:
Heart-ache: Black Christians miffed at Obama’s reference to atheists
Why the change from Black to Some?
INC on January 24, 2009 at 8:42 PM
We’re a nation of people who can choose to be whatever they want. Would it be correct to say we are a white nation because the majority is white? What a load of horseshit.
libertytexan on January 24, 2009 at 8:42 PM
I can see your point on that. What made me steam is Muslims. That is a lie right there. (not attacking you) If you are a minister then you know the truth about whom founded our Country. Wasn’t the Muslims at all. Great post.
sheebe on January 24, 2009 at 8:44 PM
Welcome to the brave new world of Internet Jihad, where even conservative literalists parse context and play multicult/feminist politics. Perhaps this is the true triumph of liberal humanism–to get the fundamentalists to internalize nuance.
Grow Fins on January 24, 2009 at 8:45 PM
Sorry, when did we “choose” our race?
Mom, Dad? You out there? You couldn’t have made me a sexy Puerto Rican guy? Instead I’m this white dude with no jump shot?
I wanted a jump shot, dammit! Real elevation, not this tippy toe jumping.
SteveMG on January 24, 2009 at 8:45 PM
This Christians believes we are definitely NOT a Christian nation.
jgapinoy on January 24, 2009 at 8:45 PM
Another great post too. Didn’t think about that.
sheebe on January 24, 2009 at 8:45 PM
…and I believe that non-Christian conservatives are important allies.
jgapinoy on January 24, 2009 at 8:46 PM
Grow Fins on January 24, 2009 at 8:46 PM
FIFM
Who claimed Muslims founded America? Certainly not Barry.
Grow Fins on January 24, 2009 at 8:47 PM
So, by pointing out identity politics, a person is then participating in identity politics?
Heavy.
jimmy the notable on January 24, 2009 at 8:47 PM
Meh. It’s the Satanists who ought to be pissed.
Jenn Q. Public on January 24, 2009 at 8:47 PM
crap,thats everything,not everthing!ugh!
canopfor on January 24, 2009 at 8:49 PM
Heavy.
What is the sound of one (white) hand clapping?
Grow Fins on January 24, 2009 at 8:49 PM
Who said anything about who founded our country?
mycowardice on January 24, 2009 at 8:51 PM
Obama HAS to be a true believer – only a few days ago he witnessed personally how his Preacher’s blessing “God Damn America” came true.
Aristotle on January 24, 2009 at 8:52 PM
That depends, is he at the opera or a Nascar race?
jimmy the notable on January 24, 2009 at 8:52 PM
Yes, for our leftwing friend anything that she thinks can make conservatives look bad is fair game.
Even if it’s superficial and nonsensical.
Hell, especially if it’s that.
SteveMG on January 24, 2009 at 8:53 PM
Shit, sorry I made a error. The article I was reading was crunched up. Don’t have my glasses on. Miss read it. It said our founding fathers would be rolling over on this one. Sorry all. Best put my glasses on.
sheebe on January 24, 2009 at 8:55 PM
Bishop E.W. Jackson is over the top on this. His reproach is unwarranted here. My 2 cents.
tartan on January 24, 2009 at 8:55 PM
We know the us v. them card was never played against Bush,Christians, or anyone else who did not fall in line with the left of the past let us say 50 years.
Jamson64 on January 24, 2009 at 8:57 PM
/sarc
Jamson64 on January 24, 2009 at 8:57 PM
I’m surprised he didn’t put muslims first. They seem to have climbed above Jews in his eyes. Imagine that….
R D on January 24, 2009 at 8:59 PM
He should have said:
“We are a nation of Christians and Jews, Muslims and Hindus, and nonbelievers.”
The order is important. With a simple word shift Obama negates centuries of established Judeo-Christian influence and places the johnny-come-lately Islam in the more prominent position. Stealth Jihad, people. Very subtle but effective.
Disturb the Universe on January 24, 2009 at 9:03 PM
No switches flipped. Democrats won. They are all about identity politics.
IrishEi on January 24, 2009 at 9:03 PM
R D on January 24, 2009 at 8:59 PM
I hadn’t refreshed the screen to see you had posted a similar thought.
He doesn’t dare put Muslims first, yet. There’s always the second Obama inauguration for that.
Disturb the Universe on January 24, 2009 at 9:06 PM
Is Obama truly a Christian? From what I’ve seen so far I seriously have my doubts. At least he has weak understanding of what it means to be one.
Crux Australis on January 24, 2009 at 9:08 PM
OK, from Wiki, their designations and their statistics in Religion in the United States:
I agree with
that listing Christians and Jews first would have been best because of our heritage.
However, the Muslims are statistically at the bottom right now, beaten out by the NONE!
This was all about the multi-culti inclusion of Muslims if you want my opinion.
INC on January 24, 2009 at 9:11 PM
Well, I get about the same sense from this as I do when a democrat says that we should help the poor. That is, the statement is true at face value but the real reason behind the statement is some Marxist/liberal agenda. So when I hear B.H.O. say this is a nation of something other than Christian, then what I hear is: There are people in this country who are not Christian, therefore we should not allow Christian principles in our governing and instead replace it with a Marxist/humanist style agenda.
NeverLiberal on January 24, 2009 at 9:11 PM
It’s a non isue, IMHO
KCB on January 24, 2009 at 9:12 PM
issue
KCB on January 24, 2009 at 9:12 PM
Pro-homosexual “marriage”
pro-abortion
pro-tax dollars to pay for experiments on human fetuses
you can’t trust anything he says
Michelle Obama, 11/3/08, on his own diety: “He thinks he can really do anything — he does. With his own power and will, he can fix it.”
jgapinoy on January 24, 2009 at 9:16 PM
AP can I go out on a limb here and interject my thoughts on this. The MSM will do anything, and I mean anything to discredit religion because it is tied to the religious right.
On the other hand the problem I have with this is the churches mission statement says “To win the lost and equip the saved to be Christian leaders and Kingdom builders for Jesus Christ.” So how is taking a stand against atheists doing anything for “winning the lost”? The church should have just left this alone.
canditaylor68 on January 24, 2009 at 9:17 PM
Oh so you tell yourselves stories, why even read what Obama says or does if you already know what its’ “really” about. ODS setting in.
DeathToMediaHacks on January 24, 2009 at 9:18 PM
Allahpundit, Dude… Obama’s hoping to separate and isolate Evangelical Christians from the rest of conservatism, and you’re helping him.
philwynk on January 24, 2009 at 9:21 PM
Did you forget about his speech where he was slamming the Bible and mocking the incorporation of Christian principles in governing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnmS_vULPxw&feature=related
NeverLiberal on January 24, 2009 at 9:21 PM
But like you said, the order is important, and look what he did on the first day.
R D on January 24, 2009 at 9:21 PM
Just because you are doomed to burn in hell forever an ever with worms eating your eyes and demons poking your privates with red-hot pitchforks does not make you any less of an American.
A Damned American, sure, but an American nevertheless.
Kasper Hauser on January 24, 2009 at 9:22 PM
Obama wants close to a trillion bucks for stimulation. Pelosi and Reid are unfettered. Economic advisors to Obama are drawing racial lines between who will get jobs and who wont. Gitmo is being closed. At least two SC judges are going to be up. The idea of a “National Bank” is being kicked around. We are now officially exporting the death industry of abortion. The AG nominee has skirted the issue of whether or not he’d support the Fairness Doctrine. We have a tax cheat, who is so smart he can’t run TurboTax, and who is about to have three hundred fifty billion dollars at his disposal, with the possibility of another installment of 700 billion, as Treasury Secretary. A continual balkanization of the U.S. And don’t even get me started on Chavez, Putin, China, Iran, etc. So no, AP, his list of “those he must mention” means very little to me right now. I didn’t take any of his inaugural address seriously, so why would I approach this part as something serious.
Weight of Glory on January 24, 2009 at 9:23 PM
I’m miffed that he included Muslims at all, and he did so even BEFORE mentioning the jews. I never have, and never will accept the premise that Islam is a religion! It is a political ideology that tosses in a perception of “religion.”
GFW on January 24, 2009 at 9:24 PM
I do read what Obama says and does, thats why I know thats what he really means. Check the video I linked to above and he makes it really clear that what his position is.
NeverLiberal on January 24, 2009 at 9:25 PM
I don’t actually care about this but I’ll pretend I do so I can properly cultivate my ODS.
Darth Executor on January 24, 2009 at 9:26 PM
That’s right. Watcha gonna do about it?
Darth Executor on January 24, 2009 at 9:26 PM
Completely correct.
Obama makes a statement that is factual on its face, but the goal of which is to complete the long-building social progressive effort to erase all Christian influences from Western culture. The unstated subtext is “Therefore, we should allow no explicitly Christian references; can’t play favorites, now, can we?” This is standard leftist fare.
philwynk on January 24, 2009 at 9:27 PM
I agree with you NeverLib, but I’ll add that I don’t think he really has much of ANY religion himself. I don’t even think he is atheist or agnostic. I think he is so narcissistic that he doesn’t even concern himself with whether or not there is a God. It is, after all, all about the “O”.
20 years in “Reverend” Wright’s “church” convinces me of nothing. He was there simply to propel himself politically. From Newsbusters:
Worse than just an empty suit. Obama is a soulless, narcissistic socialist.
IrishEi on January 24, 2009 at 9:27 PM
Remember….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGMQ5DpVVTM
R D on January 24, 2009 at 9:28 PM
Oh. And to answer Allah’s exit question #1. I don’t have a problem with this. I have big problems with the man himself.
IrishEi on January 24, 2009 at 9:29 PM
I have a prediction. The percentage of Muslims will increase dramatically in the next census which is coming next year. Read the want-ad from the U.S. Census web site.
The 2010 Census – A Great Way to Earn Extra Money
You want to be those jobs will go to ACORN workers.
Disturb the Universe on January 24, 2009 at 9:30 PM
Why does a “nonbeliever” have to be an atheist by default?
Agnostics > atheists.
toliver on January 24, 2009 at 9:31 PM
You want to bet those jobs will go to ACORN workers?
Fixed
Disturb the Universe on January 24, 2009 at 9:31 PM
Libs just hate America’s Judeo/Christian heritage. They just. hate. it.
Mojave Mark on January 24, 2009 at 9:31 PM
I know obama said this
and i also know he mentioned
Christians first
Muslims second
Jews third and atheist fourth i think
I wont blame obama here
he is simply towing the liberal party line
which is for the MOMENT (until democrats make it a hate crime) christianity is still legal
and so is the bible..
but i also do not believe that this man is any kind of a christian..
Why ?
What he says …
He says basically ok muslims are more important than jews and soon they will replace christians.
Obama is just an appeaser
so i am not surprised
I do NOT expect any democrat or liberal would ever offend islam ..
Because they know who their pay masters are..
and it isnt the us citizens
jcila on January 24, 2009 at 9:32 PM
A banality disguised as a profundity. (What a stunner, coming from Barack).
The same can be said about many countries on this planet. So what? It’s like an incomplete snippet of a census report of residents, which, dare I say excludes, say, Wiccans, Sikhs, Shintos, Taoists, Neopagans, Native Americans spiritual beliefs of many forms, and a plethora of New Ageists. How mean-spirited not to mention them.
And don’t forget short people, tall people, midgets, dwarfs, giants, non-people, and those who are somewhere in between.
Indeed, you yourself say as much here:
Buy Danish on January 24, 2009 at 9:34 PM
We sit here every night and yack about our thoughts and feelings but it ain’t working. This BHO is an empty suit and a “Me-ist”. How do we get this message outside of this forum with some effectiveness? I’ve got a son and other relatives who are unioneers and are blinded to what is happening to us. I’m GOIN NUTS!!!!
PaCadle on January 24, 2009 at 9:34 PM
One reason Obama was elected was the fact that his “words…just speeches” were not carefully scrutinized throughout the campaign. He got a pass on almost everything he said and how he said it. Words are a powerful indicator of ones thought process.
Giving status to Muslims in his speech, above Jews was a direct hit. He exposed his intent and where his true loyalties rest.
This has always been a Judeo/Christian nation. Always. His wording was part of his plan to rearrange America.
The thing about Obama to watch for is this; when he is talking on the fly his intentions will be sloppily exposed. When he is giving a prepared speech, his intentions will be more covert but available to people who understand his ideology.
katy on January 24, 2009 at 9:37 PM
Very true.
On another note, am I the only one that doesn’t think he’s all that great a speaker? And I’m not just saying that because I have so many issues with him. Honestly, I’m serious. Aside from the content of his speeches (which turns my stomach,) his tone, inflection and cadence seem sophomoric to me.
And just because I’m on a roll…..
Why do so many people think he’s such a hot number? Sure, he’s decent looking, but he’s nothing special. He’s downright ordinary. He’s got a baseball head, jug ears and scrawny legs. And would somebody please cauterize that mole off the side of his nose! I see better looking guys at the local pub. What gives?
IrishEi on January 24, 2009 at 9:48 PM
My husband and I were talking about this and it’s as if people are hypnotized or something. It is truly strange.
INC on January 24, 2009 at 9:54 PM
IrishEi on January 24, 2009 at 9:48 PM
His charms are lost on me, too.
Disturb the Universe on January 24, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Like McCain’s campaign ad where the woman throws the hammer at the large screen.
jgapinoy on January 24, 2009 at 10:06 PM
Obama has found a way to tap the spiritual vacuum in people. That’s why we’re hearing people say he speaks to their soul or they’re willing to do what ever he asks or he will make me a better person. This is such crapola!
I think that’s why he’s garnered such power. We have a world of empty souls looking for meaning and purpose! Life is so good for the godless affluent and so difficult for the brainwashed poor (because of liberal indoctrination) that Obama fills the void and gives them purpose.
Sad!!!
katy on January 24, 2009 at 10:07 PM
INC and Disturb:
Thanks! It’s good to know I’m not alone. I hesitate to say that kind of stuff because people just think it’s sour grapes.
I think Lincoln was awesome but I doubt I would have given him my phone number.
IrishEi on January 24, 2009 at 10:07 PM
No issue with that line here.
If only that line was the only issue I had with Obama, like these guys. That’d be swell.
Hawkins1701 on January 24, 2009 at 10:08 PM
–Pray.
–Find truly conservative politicians who can explain conservatism as Reagan did & give to their next campaigns.
–De-fund the Left.
jgapinoy on January 24, 2009 at 10:09 PM
It may have been before, but it aint now.
We are not a Christian nation.
jgapinoy on January 24, 2009 at 10:15 PM
With all his high-falutin upper-crusty celebrity pals in Hollyweird, I’m more shocked he didn’t mention Scientologists than in the fact he mentioned “nonbelievers”.
But I think he used the wording he selected, intentionally. I can’t say with conviction what his intentions are/were, but he could have phrased what he said differently without taking away from his speech.
No one should be excluded, or included, from anything because of religious views and beliefs. It just simply shouldn’t warrant mention in an inauguration speech in the first place. But if he felt so compelled to mention it in his inauguration speech, he could have made the same point by simply saying anything neutral, like, “Our nation is a melting pot of various religious views and beliefs”… or something else to that effect.
Even if you’re an aethiest, you have a belief. You believe God doesn’t exist. So everyone’s covered and no one’s slighted.
FlatFoot on January 24, 2009 at 10:23 PM
As a Catholic, I think Obama’s statement recognizes what I’ve always thought to be true about the country. I don’t see any need for controversy over this.
mikeyboss on January 24, 2009 at 10:28 PM
I have to disagree. First off this nation, whether it is to be acknowledged was founded on Judeo/Christian principles.
Because the media and Hollywood produce an image of a secular society does not make it so.
The majority of people in this country still hold true to conservative ideals but the media has convinced them otherwise. Most people work hard, love God, love and care for their families, pay taxes, give to charity, go to synagogue and church and I could go on and on.
The problem I see is they don’t have a voice. They go about their day in a constant state of attack on those values yet it does not mean they no longer exist. Why is it that Fox and Limbaugh and Hannity do so well? It’s there!! But it is on its last leg if we don’t restore it
katy on January 24, 2009 at 10:30 PM
I’m not particularly interested in bean counting, but don’t Mormons are Jews belong in the Judeo-Christian category?
The content of his speeches are incredibly vacuous. And of course he plagiarizes freely (“we are the ones we’ve been waiting for” (Bono), “words, just words” (Deval Patrick), “you’ve been hoodwinked and bamboozled” (Malcolm X)… ad nauseum.
Have you ever noticed how he slides in and out of his ‘authentically black’ accent? It gives me the creeps because it’s so phony and calculated, depending on his audience.
Buy Danish on January 24, 2009 at 10:37 PM
Mormons belong in the non-Christian category, at least according to their 80′s advertisements. They’ve since tried to pass themselves off as Christians. Problem is Christians only believe in the existence of one God. Mormons believe that there are many Gods but that they choose to worship only the Father God. If you ask a Mormon whether they believe in one God they will answer that, “yes, we worship one God.” Which of course really doesn’t answer the question.
The Romans too believed in many gods yet they would choose to worship but one of them. Think of Mormons along these lines. They’ll deny it, but as you get up higher in their secret rites and rituals (Masonic style) you’ll find that indeed they believe in the existence of many Gods but only worship one of them.
Savvy?
Mojave Mark on January 24, 2009 at 11:04 PM
Mojave Mark on January 24, 2009 at 11:04 PM
I’ve heard Mormons believe Jesus and Lucifer are brothers. Is Satan then a god they choose not to worship?
Disturb the Universe on January 24, 2009 at 11:17 PM
The question is ‘why did he say this’. The answer is that he thought it would make people vote for him. He doesn’t say or do anything that he personally believes. He says and does whatever some committee tells him will get him more votes. This is the ultimate evolution of Democracy. The only thing that matters is getting elected. . . policy is secondary to getting elected by any means necessary.
This remark makes him win votes with ‘faithful’ and that is why he said it. There is nothing deep or revealing about this comment.
That said, I still expect us to be seeing Mohammed Obama pass the torch to the next president in a similar fasion that way Cassius Clay and Lou Alcindor did.
ThackerAgency on January 24, 2009 at 11:19 PM
I became aware tha this “study” was done a while back ago,I will be the first one to admit I wrote it off as just being a bit weird but then later on,the person doing it compared Obamas speech patterns with a few others and if I remember the study it came in at Palin having around a perc of 30 in hers,McCain was rather low-in the teens, and Obama was running up in the 70s.I think Hitler ran in the 50′s. So maybe this write up has something to it.
canditaylor68 on January 24, 2009 at 11:54 PM
The Scripture states that righteousness exalts a nation. This country was founded on a Judeo-Christian foundation. Our ideals are what have caused us to flourish and attracted millions to swarm here and not to any other country in the world. The people who came here without a Judeo-Christian foundation either assimilated or failed to. Many, a growing number, who failed to assimilate, or outright reject the existance of a God are a major contributing factor to the disintegration of our societal strengths and have become the base of the Democratic Party which don’t seem to mind slaughtering babies in or halfway out of the womb; would rather give comfort to those who would destroy us and our ideals than to protect us from them, etc. Liberalism is not just a mental pathos but a spiritual evil.
wepeople on January 25, 2009 at 12:13 AM
In the Mormon scheme of things both Jesus and Lucifer (brothers) had a plan for the world. Jesus’ plan was accepted and Lucifer (who later turned into Satan) was the sore loser. It’s EXTREMELY convoluted and no two Mormons will answer you the same way. A lot of ex-Mormons (I’m not one BTW) have written extensively on the subject, like the Tanners. They run ministries to try and help Mormons escape their religion.
The fact that Jesus and Satan are brothers in Mormon theology came out during the primary and was quickly silenced by RomneyCo. The Book of Moron doesn’t contain theology like this but their other two canonical books, The Pearl of Great Price and Doctrine and Covenants most certainly do. I copied this from the LDS site.
As with all cults it’s always the “Bible PLUS.” It always comes down to “some guy said” which is the basis of all false religions around the world. Christianity breaks out of that mold due to fulfilled prophecy and the resurrection of Jesus. The Bible makes it clear that in the latter days there will be many false prophets and false Christs.
Mojave Mark on January 25, 2009 at 12:19 AM
Here’s more on that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy0d1HbItOo
jgapinoy on January 25, 2009 at 12:29 AM
I would love an atheist president. The traditional religious aura to the job is a bit of a turnoff. I like to keep my pope and my president at arm’s length.
Mark Jaquith on January 25, 2009 at 12:44 AM
Everyone needs to see this video. It’s hilarious.
justfinethanks on January 25, 2009 at 1:07 AM
That he mentioned non-believers? No.
ddrintn on January 25, 2009 at 1:13 AM
There are two different issues here:
1. America has Atheists (and Muslims, and Jews, and Hindus etc.)
2. America is culturally Judeo-Christian. No matter how many Atheists you have, they’re ateists who don’t go to church on Christmas, not atheists who don’t go to mosque on Ramadan. Their entire culture is Christian, and a good thing too. Otherwise America would be Turkey.
Phoenician on January 25, 2009 at 1:15 AM
Beautiful point. I know AP is spinning right now, because he is realizing that Christianity is, in some small way, defining his behavior.
DFCtomm on January 25, 2009 at 3:21 AM
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