Quote of the day
posted at 10:00 pm on January 23, 2009 by Allahpundit
“When I learned this, it became apparent to me that idealized virginity is just a tool to keep women in their place. But then I realized something else: if virginity is considered that valuable, what’s to stop me from benefiting from that? It is mine, after all. And the value of my chastity is one level on which men cannot compete with me. I decided to flip the equation, and turn my virginity into something that allows me to gain power and opportunity from men. I took the ancient notion that a woman’s virginity is priceless and used it as a vehicle for capitalism.
Are you rolling your eyes?”
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Whether she’s a two dollar whore or gets millions…a whore’s a whore and nothing more.
Army Brat on January 24, 2009 at 12:14 AM
Nor does it take much of a frontal lobe to understand that you are judging them for making those statements.
spmat on January 24, 2009 at 12:14 AM
If you follow this logic through
then selling a woman in arab lands
also is ok since its just my property.
this is what muslims always say..
So be careful what you wish for..
You might just get it.
jcila on January 24, 2009 at 12:17 AM
So many things to say.
Best to just say, “Ho, hum.”
William2006 on January 24, 2009 at 12:18 AM
I also submit that a woman selling herself
is no different than all of the democrats who have sold themselfves off to the highest bidder..
jcila on January 24, 2009 at 12:18 AM
I haven’t labeled anyone with a noun. Just an adjective. Maybe I am being hypocritical. I am willing to consider that. Thanks for the food for thought..sincerely.
KCB on January 24, 2009 at 12:19 AM
Hoof Hearted on January 23, 2009 at 10:52 PM
The Bunny Ranch does have a website with prices and pics. They are known for featuring top porn stars at the top of the ticket.
goat on January 24, 2009 at 12:19 AM
How very judgmental of you…in fact, how dare you judge this group to be judgmental. And yes, it’s spelled ‘judgmental’ not ‘judgemental’…what? Is correct spelling judgmental?
AUINSC on January 24, 2009 at 12:20 AM
All I want to know is how much Obama will charge her in “self-employment” taxes?
Of course his head tax man doesn need to pay taxes either, right?
Vntnrse on January 24, 2009 at 12:20 AM
Buzzkill!
AUINSC on January 24, 2009 at 12:21 AM
Thanks for taking this debate to the next levle. (I did that jus fore yuo!
KCB on January 24, 2009 at 12:23 AM
Wow, that hair looks so real I could barely tell it’s fake. Just like the boobs … and the ridiculous idea that she’s actually a virgin.
pugwriter on January 24, 2009 at 12:25 AM
This is a very judgemental group tonight.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Okay. That was way too easy… Kinda like the wench auctioning herself.
viking01 on January 24, 2009 at 12:25 AM
$1,000, tops, and you could do much better, and much quieter, anywhere in this great country. I am almost certain.
And this is the voice of no experience in this matter.
Jaibones on January 24, 2009 at 12:25 AM
Well, that was a cheap shot on my part…and I mispellz all the time. But, yes, I thought your original comment was pretty much hypocritical (in fact, when isn’t calling someone judgmental hypocritical?)…but then I saw your remark after I posted this…so, just saying…
AUINSC on January 24, 2009 at 12:29 AM
Yeah, I kinda was called to task on that a little while ago, and it is true. I’m willing to admit that. HA commentors won’t let you get away with anything!!!!
KCB on January 24, 2009 at 12:35 AM
Yeah, I know..comment timing is not my friend. Anyway, you seem open minded as far as I can tell…so maybe you will allow for that.
AUINSC on January 24, 2009 at 12:39 AM
Um, what’s missing from the linked blog article is the fact that this is a HOWARD STERN production, the “Bunnie Ranch” in Nevada is hosting the auction, and her sister is an employee at the Bunnie Ranch.
If Howard Stern started this whole thing, it is definitely a scam of some kind. Probably to get people to sign up for Sirius so they can catch this stuff on Stern’s show… and help save a dying company.
I’d put my money on: She’s definitely NOT a virgin; any exam she takes will be done by a doctor of her choosing and the Doc is in on it; we’ll probably find ‘Natalie Dylan’ selling it for a lot less to a lot more men on a daily basis at the Bunnie Ranch in the near future; this is just a very large and very lame publicity scam.
FlatFoot on January 24, 2009 at 12:42 AM
If you are ever in VA, we should have a beverage. I think a lively debate with you would be an evening worth spending.
KCB on January 24, 2009 at 12:42 AM
As long as the beverage is beer, I’m cool with it.
AUINSC on January 24, 2009 at 12:47 AM
Drinking a cold one as I speak..type…bloviate…whatever.
KCB on January 24, 2009 at 12:48 AM
Harlot.
infidel on January 24, 2009 at 12:51 AM
WHO CARES?!
King of the Britons on January 24, 2009 at 12:52 AM
Actually she is doing us all a big favor. Put it up in neon lights, primetime infomercial, and highway billboards. The more the November feelgooders throw in our face the quicker we’ll knock em in the dirt.
Limerick on January 24, 2009 at 12:56 AM
That @%&$ thing is &*%#$@ valuable. It’s actually *&%$@% worth more than that $@#*& senate seat.
Corsair on January 24, 2009 at 12:57 AM
We’ve come a long way from “5 doll-ah love you long time”
Hope & Change.
christene on January 24, 2009 at 1:13 AM
In Panama we called them Dr Pepper girls. 10-2-4.
$10 for the bartender
$2 for the room
$4 for the girl
Limerick on January 24, 2009 at 1:17 AM
Really, the attention to this shamutta is just pathetic.
Mr. Joe on January 24, 2009 at 1:23 AM
Dowrys in Europe traditionally went bride to husband. Mohammed reversed that in the Muslim world because most families killed their daughters at birth so as to avoid the finacial crisis of a dowry. Instead the dowry became the divorce settlement that the bride got to keep if her husband left her.
But honey, you are just a whore.
Mr. Joe on January 24, 2009 at 1:27 AM
By any chance, were you at Howard AFB, Fort Kobbe or Colon?
A short ride from Balboa into the city was always an adventure.
Kini on January 24, 2009 at 1:32 AM
Some time a Kobbe but spent most of my time with a bunch of crazy snake eaters at the Jungle Survival School. Leeches….I HATE leeches.
Since you have been there you KNOW the truth. Cockroaches can live in freezers. They will survive us all.
Limerick on January 24, 2009 at 1:37 AM
I am unsure about dumping on this woman. First, she claims to be a virgin, but I would insist on verification if it was my money.
She is SO modern.
Second, if this cherry is for sale, who are we to dump on Blago or Cold Cash Jefferson or Rangel or Cunningham? Really, get a grip…anything is for sale, what’s the bid?
Life is just a negotiation of what you can pay for what you want. You want more than you can pay, tough. Get used to it. Those with money or power to grant favors are just better than you. They get what they want, you get the leftovers. But if you were connected or useful to your betters, you too could be supping on the best and casting your orts to the unwashed, the unuseful.
This is as it was in feudal times. The lord was the master. Change…yah…regression, not enlightenment.
Since we cannot define “is” anymore, is anyone surprised?
Harry Schell on January 24, 2009 at 1:38 AM
You aren’t necessarily being a hypocrite. You just aren’t saying anything meaningful.
You are calling people judgmental as if that is an impeachable offense in and of itself. That is a meaningless normative statement because you need to exercise judgment in order to make it.
Next time, explain why their judgment is incorrect. E.g. “You are being overly indulgent in expressing conventional disdain for something that you neither understand nor have any right to criticize.” Or, “How can you call her a whore or a skank when you don’t know her?”
Either of these statements have meaning. “You are being judgmental and therefore you are bad,” has no meaning. It is self-contradictory.
spmat on January 24, 2009 at 1:39 AM
So, what is it worth if she’s willing to give it to the highest bidder? That’s how we sell cattle around here.
R D on January 24, 2009 at 1:41 AM
She’s not selling herself. She’s selling her hymen.
The point is that she doesn’t see that the two are intrinsically connected.
spmat on January 24, 2009 at 1:44 AM
Yep, what she said!
R D on January 24, 2009 at 1:45 AM
Never had my caboose violated. Currently available to the highest bidder. Got a mortgage and all. Send offers to…errr….awww heck. I know work is over-rated but dignity is something…
Biffstir on January 24, 2009 at 1:46 AM
She’s still just a piece of meat on the market.
R D on January 24, 2009 at 1:47 AM
+1000
spmat on January 24, 2009 at 1:49 AM
Those open bay barracks musta been murder.
I was 18-21 at the time. Beaches were great, especially with the shark nets. I had a good time with the troops there. Went into the Interior many times to party.
Freedom bird eventually took me home.
Kini on January 24, 2009 at 1:52 AM
Kini on January 24, 2009 at 1:52 AM
Those jungles were magnificent. I remember getting out of the C141 at Howard and the drive to Fort Sherman. Looking out the windows at the passing city, then towns, I thought the Barbary pirates found a new home. Ft Sherman was the pits. Panama was then (70s) truly a fourth world country. It made Tijuana look like a shining city on a hill ;)
Limerick on January 24, 2009 at 1:59 AM
Were you a paratrooper? Fort Sherman was on the Atlantic side near Colon. I was on Howard in the 70′s also, a dependent.
Panama City was Tijuana in many ways, especially the bars.
The only time I visited Colon was during the Army tours across South and Central America. Hot and sticky as I remember.
But the NCO club in Howard was always an interesting site.
Kini on January 24, 2009 at 2:08 AM
Since I’m also a virgin, we made a deal. We will do a barter. I give her mine, she gives me hers. A straight trade.
keep the change on January 24, 2009 at 2:15 AM
Ever notice that when someone is doing something that is wrong, they feel the need to convince you that it isn’t. It’s like they say it more to convince themselves than to convince you, which is the very nature of rationalizing.
- The Cat
P.S. I’m not getting into a discussion on whether it is write or wrong. I’m just making an observation on the behavior of defensiveness.
MirCat on January 24, 2009 at 2:17 AM
Hmmmm, you mean democrats and liberals, yes?
Kini on January 24, 2009 at 2:24 AM
No
Kini on January 24, 2009 at 2:49 AM
If we are to survive day to day in the real world, we must be judgmental all the time. Well nearly…
We look at people and judge them constantly on the street. Is this guy a threat? If he’s dressed like a gangster, standing just inside a shadow, no one around, etc…you’re most likely to judge the person, in those circumstances, to be a threat and will pass by him with hand on pistol.
We listen to/read the posts of others, presumably expressing the way they feel about whatever is being discussed and judge them to be liberal, centrist, conservative, insane…etc.
Can’t help it. Just a fact of life like it or not. Those who fail to make those judgments are, quite often, the ones we read about as being the victims of this or that crime.
Judging people doesn’t always work out. Con men abound, but we still have to protect ourselves as best we are able. Judging people is a part of our lives, if we wish to keep and enjoy them.
Army Brat on January 24, 2009 at 3:29 AM
Well now, there’s ‘selling’, and then there’s… *selling* (“Gee, do I get to keep her?”)
AFAICT, all this woman’s willing to do is rent! No option to buy. *sigh* Not willing to commit…
Yeah, judgment / judgement is an interesting word to say the least. Actually, both ‘judgment’ AND ‘judgement’ are accepted spellings. (!)
As luck would have it, though, that isn’t necessarily true for ‘judgmental’, which has only the one spelling. Don’t know if that’s an oversight in most dictionaries, or if there really is a double-standard, one for ‘judgment’ and another for ‘judgmental’. :-)
Anywho: I won’t be getting to the bottom of it tonight since it’s 3:30AM and I’m gonna catch the bottom half of Red Eye:
Red Eye, Red Eye, before I go beddy-bye!
P.S. The other R D: Thanks for letting me share the thread tonight. ;)
RD on January 24, 2009 at 3:31 AM
I’m with her. As convoluted as her logic may be, she has still nailed a niche market and is exploitinng it to the logical end. I’ve known girls who have given up this particular good for far lessl
askheaves on January 24, 2009 at 4:19 AM
Anyone out there want to float me a loan? :-)
conservnut on January 24, 2009 at 6:33 AM
You and I have strong, moral impulses associated with selling oneself for sex. Natalie, though, grew up in a generation that treats sex as something common, like eating or shopping. They have no moral impulses attached to the act. (One may imagine that they have no moral impulses, period. That’s a related topic, but not the same one.) So it’s actually logical, from where she sits … er, lays… that if she can earn some bucks by selling something idiots value, why not do it?
The problem is not Natalie, but the insane American sex culture in which she grew up, that has devalued sex to this degree.
philwynk on January 24, 2009 at 6:52 AM
Few people are mentioning the incredible fools who are offering such alarming sums for the “privilege” of having sex with this kid. However low we may consider the girl, the men who are bidding for her are lower. Makes me wonder how such morons could have produced so much value as to have that sort of cash on hand, to spend on a night with a 22-year-old virgin.
It’s a sad episode all around.
philwynk on January 24, 2009 at 6:59 AM
It’s really a pretty easy exercise, KCB. If you can phrase your objection as “You should not do X,” then you’re judging. “You should not use words like ‘whore.’” “You should not judge others.” Any use of “should” or “ought” is a judgment.
spmat at around 1:30 AM was correct, as well; judging someone for judging is self-refuting. It’s only hypocrisy if you considered yourself morally superior because you didn’t judge like those others who were judging.
philwynk on January 24, 2009 at 7:05 AM
Sorry, as a conservative I don’t see the problem here.
Yes, it is horribly immoral and degradating. I firmly believe she shouldn’t be doing this.
That being said, she is setting the price the free market will allow, in supposedly good faith (if she is, in fact, virginal). That price is whatever some dope is willing to pay.
The quote itself is a bunch of feminist BS. Sex is ALWAYS the power women have held over men, throughout history. Look at any society where a woman ruled for even a brief time and you can see this. Feminists don’t recognize this because they REQUIRE women to think they are perpetual victims, and that their every breath is somehow a blow against oppression.
BKennedy on January 24, 2009 at 7:15 AM
You guys got it wrong, the former gives it away for free. Offering it for money is called solicitation or prostitution. Why she hasn’t been arrested is beyond me.
DC_Guy on January 24, 2009 at 8:21 AM
Typical. Our country is being taken over by Hussein Islamisism…and you idiots want to find fault with free enterprise. Grow up. What she does with her body is not your bizness.
Jed1899 on January 24, 2009 at 8:28 AM
When you peddle your ass for the whole planet, and then write articles online about it, it’s not exactly a private matter either.
But that’s not even the point of making fun of this young Lady of the Pavement. I think the whole point of ribbing on this Gilded Lady is that she’s so desperate to convince everyone that selling sex for money is not equivalent to be a prostitute.
Lehosh on January 24, 2009 at 8:36 AM
Selling your virginity online? $4.3 million dollars.
Spinning your prostitution career into a woman’s liberation movement? Priceless.
Mr Purple on January 24, 2009 at 8:37 AM
Judging from the pictures, most of that money will be going for make-up.
snickelfritz on January 24, 2009 at 8:58 AM
Who’s worse? The whore who is devaluing herself and her sexuality or the desperate morons bidding millions on it?
vcferlita on January 24, 2009 at 8:59 AM
Natalie Dylan has a
B.A.B.S. in Women’s StudiesBuy Danish on January 24, 2009 at 8:59 AM
I don’t get the brouhaha.
She’s practicing the oldest profession in the world. Midgets, amputees, pregnant ladies and virgins have always been able to command a premium among certain groups.
This is newsworthy how?
Pavel on January 24, 2009 at 9:17 AM
What’s the big deal? This is capitalism at its finest. Would you all rather have her go out, get drunk, pick up some random dude and lose her virginity that way?
It’s threads like this that remind me of why the GOP will never win another election if it continues down the social values road.
angryed on January 24, 2009 at 9:20 AM
I give up on the GOP. Gillibrand I can support. She more like the GOP I once knew.
Jed1899 on January 24, 2009 at 9:23 AM
Virgin my ass. Does the sucker get his money back if there’s no blood on the sheets?
Basilsbest on January 24, 2009 at 9:33 AM
Maybe Chrissy Matthews could help alleviate that issue. Not worth 4 million to him mebee.
Jed1899 on January 24, 2009 at 9:34 AM
The irony is, with talk like that, she is substantially reducing her “market value.” If she she reluctantly were to sell her virginity it would thereby be more valuable. Commercializing and commoditizing her virginity cheapens it.
I wouldn’t pay a plug nickel for this trollop’s “virtue.” And whoever pays for it, will be getting ripped off. I don’t for a second believe that this girl is still a virgin.
Charles Martel on January 24, 2009 at 9:40 AM
Ah, using the good old “i’m not a whore, i’m a feminist!” trick. Doesn’t work honey. You’re just a whore.
madne0 on January 24, 2009 at 9:44 AM
Seven Percent Solution,
Your comments were some of the most disgusting I have ever read. Ick. Your point is not made.
Amy Proctor on January 24, 2009 at 9:46 AM
Hey I have a Blagovevich update…he is doing infomercials now:)
http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/2009/01/blagojevich-balls-adult-humor-language.html
Dr Evil on January 24, 2009 at 10:00 AM
She’s a feminist whore. Feminism is an ideology and being a whore is a career choice.
JMO
thomasaur on January 24, 2009 at 10:14 AM
It is illegal. Pathetic johns and street hookers get busted all the time once the price is set and agreed upon. The actual act isn’t necesaary for the law to be broken so doing it in Nevada doesn’t matter. I wonder what will transpire if a bid is actually accepted? This makes me believe the whole thing is a scam. But other then 15 minutes of fame, selling her story, or a possible book deal, I can’t figure out her reasons for doing it. Hmmm…maybe I just did?
Deanna on January 24, 2009 at 10:15 AM
Sorry, Kini, I got some shuteye.
Paratrooper? Moi? Not this doggie! Nah, Military Police. It was our sworn duty to take the drunk paratroopers outta the d-cell and hand them over to some first sergeant who ate nails for breakfast. Fun times! Panama was temp duty for my company (402d). We were part of Stratfor and were always sent where we were needed the least :) That’s the Army for ya.
Back on topic……
Then so-long-GOP for me! Have fun being a conservative wallet worshiping monkey. When American daughters are all auditioning for Survivor-Virgin Isles then it’s time to change the channel.
Limerick on January 24, 2009 at 10:19 AM
Moral arguments aside, Miss Dylan’s not much of an entrepreneur. She could’ve associated with a much better known house of prostitution, and one that could’ve provided millions more… the Clinton Library, of course.
TXUS on January 24, 2009 at 10:29 AM
It’s not a capital commodity in that once sold it cannot be replaced and it immediately has no value if mishandled.
She is taking something which can only maintain its value if used in one particular way. You can use a $100 bill to roll a cigarette or you can invest it in one account and enjoy the interest gained for years.
mankai on January 24, 2009 at 10:39 AM
Hey Natalie, go f* yourself.
Akzed on January 24, 2009 at 10:42 AM
You can’t have one without the other.
Hoof Hearted on January 24, 2009 at 10:53 AM
Yes.
Hoof Hearted on January 24, 2009 at 10:56 AM
I find it amazing that these ultra-feminists lift up prostitution but put down marriage and motherhood.
Sorry, but you can’t convince me that being a whore is more ‘empowering’ than being a mother.
Religious_Zealot on January 24, 2009 at 10:58 AM
Thanks for the laugh this morning!
Dave Shay on January 24, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Who is more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows him?
Disturb the Universe on January 24, 2009 at 11:13 AM
For moral reasons I’m no defender of prostitution; and even if I didn’t have moral objections, I wouldn’t use a rented toothbrush, so why would I — well, you know; though I am a defender of people’s right to do what they want.
But still someone’s got to say it:
NO WOULD ANYONE PAY THOUSANDS, LET ALONE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR THIS NOT-ALL-THAT-ATTRACTIVE WOMAN. I call BS.
Glad I got that off my chest.
RegularJoe on January 24, 2009 at 11:19 AM
*sigh*
I hate it when I put something in bold italics, then notice after posting that it has a typo…
NO *WAY* WOULD ANYONE PAY THOUSANDS, LET ALONE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR THIS NOT-ALL-THAT-ATTRACTIVE WOMAN.
RegularJoe on January 24, 2009 at 11:20 AM
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed won the bid?
My collie says:
Thank you Mr. Present-dent.
CyberCipher on January 24, 2009 at 11:27 AM
This chick is an inspiration to Trailer Trash and Jerry Springer Show contestants everywhere.
kingsjester on January 24, 2009 at 11:36 AM
She’ll get more than Doug Kmiec got.
Mr. D on January 24, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Here is another one
Mr. Joe on January 24, 2009 at 12:10 PM
Would you put a less slutty picture up please!
riowalk on January 24, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Where’s the rage and hatred for the low life men that are bidding? Aren’t they just as much “Whores”?
I guess they don’t count. Besides, is it better that she give it up to Jimmy, “Gonna be a rapper” in the back seat of lowered Dodge Neon? I don’t see how she’s worse than anyone else.
ronsfi on January 24, 2009 at 1:35 PM
For the love of Pete, sell it already so I don’t have to see that sleezy picture on the Home page of HotAir anymore.
pannw on January 24, 2009 at 1:55 PM
She needs to be educated. It’s not virginity that men place value on. I guess the easiest way to explain this is to put it this way:
When you buy a new new car, it darn well better come with new tires.
It’s not your virginity we’re interested in, it’s your vagina. And yes there are cultures where virginity is valued. Interestingly enough, the the virginity is garuanteed by the womans life. Not a virgin? Stone her!
BobMbx on January 24, 2009 at 2:15 PM
Who is the better person? A drug addict or the dealer who supplies him?
BobMbx on January 24, 2009 at 2:19 PM
Wait for it… it will be revealed that this prostitute is no virgin. It’s just a matter of time.
Fish on January 24, 2009 at 2:22 PM
How about the woman who does the same thing for free? We call her a slut, yet the men who score with her are “just being men”.
I don’t get it. Nail the town slut, you’re a good guy. Pay for it, you’re a whore too.
BobMbx on January 24, 2009 at 2:24 PM
“Are you rolling your eyes?”
No, mine popped outta my face and I’m on my hands and knees feeling around for them, whore.
The picture of her says it all…Those dirty pillows must have cost a pretty penny; no wonder she wants millions for whatever is left of her ‘virginity’. It’s obvious that she’s done some ‘practicing’…
Christine on January 24, 2009 at 2:38 PM
Probably the addict who is spending her kids lunch money on dope. (See how complicated it gets when you start judging others?)
ronsfi on January 24, 2009 at 3:15 PM
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