March for Life, 22 Weeks, and Roe
posted at 10:58 am on January 22, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Today, the Left celebrates the 36th anniversary of Roe v Wade, while the pro-life movement mourns the deaths of over 44 million aborted babies. In Washington DC, March for Life will protest the Roe decision as well as the widely-expected Freedom of Choice Act that Barack Obama promised to push through Congress. The Anchoress also anticipates that Barack Obama will end the Mexico City policy by executive order as early as today and restore American funding of abortions overseas.
Today, I’ll interview Angel Manuel Soto, the director of a new film, 22 Weeks, about a true story of an abortion and what happened when the child survived. Joining us will be the mother, Angele, to give her perspective on Roe and the abortion industry. The film is now playing in selected theaters throughout the country, but can also be purchased on DVD now. The website has a lot more information, and a trailer:
I’ll keep an eye out for news on life issues today, but be sure to tune in to The Ed Morrissey Show to catch this interview.
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It also marks a huge overreach of the Court.
Count to 10 on January 22, 2009 at 2:02 PM
I’m glad to here that. You’re certainly welcome. I wish you good luck.
Sounds like a great idea. I’d donate.
Esthier on January 22, 2009 at 2:09 PM
What kills me is this nonsense of “Safe, legal and rare”. Abortion is either right or wrong. Can you imagine a politician saying “I want rape to be safe, legal and rare”?
DNRtheDNC on January 22, 2009 at 2:15 PM
No, but I can imagine them saying the same of drug use.
Esthier on January 22, 2009 at 2:31 PM
obladioblada on January 22, 2009 at 2:35 PM
Sorry, No Donkey, I know you’re moving our way, but I have to disagree.
There’s a difference between a human, a 24 week fetus and a 1/2″ 8 week fetus that can’t breath, feel pain, or think.
And this idea that once an egg is implanted, then there’s no good way to make a meaningful distinction isn’t convincing to me. If you put an ice cube in room tempature it will melt and turn to water, but you can’t convince me that ice is no different than water.
jim m on January 22, 2009 at 2:37 PM
Does it lose it’s fundamental composition of H2O?
obladioblada on January 22, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Thank you Ed. Today is a sad day. I can almost hear the echoing screams of the millions of children that have been aborted. It either that or the wailing of the angels as they watched it happen from above.
My second daughter’s friend got preg at 17 had an abortion and less than a month later was pregnant again-only this time it was twins-they are 4 months old now and just the sweetest beautiful little girls. Her mom kicked her out so I have her and the babies here with me. Giving her a chance she is working a job and trying to get her GED and drivers license. Her mom was more than lacking in the basic life skills department so I have tried to pick up where she left off. My 2 daughters are in college and working and my sons are still in high school so adding one more to the pack is just normal around here. Its the 2 and 4 am feedings that get a little weary for us but one look at the little cherubs and you cant help but to know this (life) deserves our preservation, protection and sanctity.
canditaylor68 on January 22, 2009 at 2:41 PM
Ah, very high is in the eye of the beholder, and you are right, I am being imprecise. Lets just say that P(birth|no abortion) ~ 0.25 and P(birth|abortion) ~ 0.0 (it can’t be exactly zero, or Obama wouldn’t have had to kill that born alive bill in committee).
unclesmrgol on January 22, 2009 at 2:45 PM
A 24 week fetus can’t breath either, and I’ve yet to see anyone explain when the fetus can think or feel pain. If you have some information on that, I’d be interested in reading it.
Esthier on January 22, 2009 at 2:53 PM
Understood. However all those “milestone X” points after the one saying (egg has full genetic complement needed for new individual) are, by their very nature, unscientific. We can almost enumerate them:
a) milestone A: Mother must “want” baby.
b) milestone B: Baby must breathe unaided.
c) milestone C: Baby must feel pain.
d) milestone D: Baby must be in third trimester.
e) milestone E: Baby must have crowned.
f) milestone F: Baby must be capable of feeding itself without mother’s aid.
g) milestone G: Baby must be capable of breathing without mother’s aid
h) milestone H: Baby must be capable of surviving in bedpan in refrigerator.
Some of these are religious, others are court imposed, still others are legislatively imposed, but all of them are, ethically and morally, things we would not expect of a baby (or even a child) which has been born (except Obama — who killed a bill preventing infanticide in committee).
The only ones which are truly measurable is the one that says: this is a human because it’s got all the DNA we scientifically define as being associated with humans, and the one saying “this is a human because it has been born”
The second measurement is easily disproven — which is why we have C-sections.
unclesmrgol on January 22, 2009 at 3:00 PM
Why is there such a media blackout on the March For Life, every year its the same thing, no major news outlet mentions it, not even FOX.
???
Irenaeus on January 22, 2009 at 3:04 PM
OMG, what a horrible picture, thousands and thousands of tiny unused baby booties sitting on the steps of the capital of the most democratic country in the world. What pain this should cause those who are guilty of keeping those little booties empty. Tears in my eyes just thinking of it. Do you really think the ignorant libs would feel anything? Unfortunately, I don’t……*sigh*
clinker46 on January 22, 2009 at 3:28 PM
Imprecise. Both fetuses you mention are human. Note that you are using attributes of development. There are many born people who can’t breathe, feel pain, or even think. We don’t tend to kill them for those reasons.
The abortionists’ rule isn’t “can’t breathe”, but “we won’t allow them to breathe, because that would incur a legal obligation to care for them, except in Illinois, where allowing an aborted but alive and breathing ‘fetus’ to die is permitted.”
unclesmrgol on January 22, 2009 at 3:55 PM
Actually, we do when they can’t think, or at least when we’re convinced they can’t think.
Esthier on January 22, 2009 at 3:57 PM
Of course, such determinations as you envision would require an Angel of Death mindset. But, I suppose, if we apply scientific methods such as a pathological determination of nervous system attachment to the skin, we could determine whether this 22-week old mass of tissue might have suffered pain
Of course, opponents will claim that the pictures aren’t real — they are plastic or stillborn, but the latter sort of begs the question scientifically, because babies, whether they abort spontaneously at a given age (are stilborn) or are aborted at that same age by human intervention, should have identical development characteristics:
Of course, the Nilsson pictures do show a reality which the pro-abortion author fails to appreciate, which is the reality of what a human looks like during the various stages of fetal development, and what an abortion halts.
unclesmrgol on January 22, 2009 at 4:09 PM
Their air is filled with Hillary’s address to the State Dept. secretarial pool.
jay12 on January 22, 2009 at 4:12 PM
I didn’t realize that the Democrats actually had a plan…
unclesmrgol on January 22, 2009 at 4:16 PM
Good news! My 29-year-old son just called me from Washington, DC. He was near the beginning af the March, and his group got into Senator Bob Casey’s office. They really nailed that freaking wimp to the wall, and after lashing at him for about an hour, they went back outside to find the March still going strong. Looks like they got 200,000 people this year. Just thought I’d post something that came directly from a Marcher on the Mall, ’cause you’ll never see it on the Evening News.
jay12 on January 22, 2009 at 4:33 PM
I smell Oscars…………..NOT!
RobCon on January 22, 2009 at 4:34 PM
I listened to Ed’s conversation with the mother and the director and was flat out dissuaded. The guests made the interview sound a little like an audio version of the Blair Witch Project. I was left with the sense that this story needs to be checked out more. I’ll go on being pro-life without supporting this particular film quite yet.
Mark30339 on January 22, 2009 at 4:34 PM
–A 24 week fetus can’t breath either, and I’ve yet to see anyone explain when the fetus can think or feel pain. If you have some information on that, I’d be interested in reading it.
Esthier, it’s my understanding that the pro-lifers have been pushing for pain medication for 20 week fetuses before an abortion. I haven’t checked into the medical details, cause I’m assuming that’s probably the earliest that could be scientifically supported.
jim m on January 22, 2009 at 4:57 PM
Every, and I mean EVERY preteen (male and female) should be required to watch the videos of an actual abortion being performed. I had my daughter, who is now almost 15, watch them was she was around 11 or 12. It has permanently affected her and her opinion about abortion. Not too long ago in an overheard by me conversation she was having with her father, he stated that,” ‘if’ she ever got pregnant she had better not even consider having an abortion”. Her reply was “I would NEVER’ have an abortion. It is murder. Have you SEEN what they DO?” As I said, it made quite an impression. And before anyone jumps on the ‘preteens are too young’, I beg to differ. This is the age at which they are still influenced by what mom and dad have to say – before the school sex ed programs and peers get to them. It is also an age at which they are apt to be the most impacted (or get the crap scared out of them). Make these videos a requirement of sex ed. It would do far more to change the minds of many than any march.
As well, I have told both my kids (one girl, one boy), it is not ‘making love’; it is ‘making babies’. (Thanks for that one MOM). Every time you have sex, there is the potential for a human life to be conceived. If you feel you are adult enough to carry out the ‘action’, you had better be adult enough to handle the ‘consequence’. And by consequence, I am not implying that a baby would be ‘punishment’. I am also speaking about the emotional consequences that comes with sex. Chances are mighty good that if a teen is having sex, the person they are with is not going to be their life mate.
Now we can only pray that some it (hopefully all of it), has gotten through…
pcbedamned on January 22, 2009 at 5:10 PM
I believe I’ve heard that as well, but I was under the impression that this was a “just in case” issue, that because no one knows, it’s better to provide pain relief anyway.
I could certainly be wrong though.
Esthier on January 22, 2009 at 5:11 PM
I’ve just listened to it, and I really don’t get where you got that, other than the low budget aspect of the film (which is hardly surprising, is it?).
Esthier on January 22, 2009 at 5:20 PM
I’m going to chime in on this one.
jim, your argument doesn’t hold water (pardon the pun) because the change to which you refer does not become something that is greater than the sum of its parts – human life. Period.
I have a 13yro daughter. If she were ever raped, and became pregnant, I would get down on my knees and beg her to let the baby live and give it up for adoption.
My parents should not have married, for legal and moral reasons. After that marriage, my father tried to convince my mother that having sex while standing up would not result in a pregnancy. I was the sperm that swam uphill, as it were. Were abortion legal back then (1965), based on conversations I had with my mother as an adult, I strongly believe she would have had the pregnancy terminated.
Regardless of how I was conceived, I had a right to live.
Period.
I dare anyone to look into my eyes and tell me otherwise.
Wanderlust on January 22, 2009 at 6:01 PM
We’ll just agree to disagree, Wanderlust. I don’t see your argument being a whole lot different (depending on the circumstances) as someone who argues that their parents should never have used birth control.
Let me change the subject a bit (if people don’t mind).
Do people think this door-to-door activity will help or hurt the pro-life movement? I’m obviously not a pro-lifer, but it strikes me as being too “in your face” ala political candidates and Jehovah Witnesses. Full article at http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/554469232.html.
WASHINGTON, Jan. 22 /Christian Newswire/ — Organized for Life, a history-making initiative has begun to deliver the message of life to every household in the Nation. Prolife Witness and Pro-Life Unity have joined forces to introduce to America an initiative that will reach the hearts and minds of Americans through face to face contact, one door at a time.
“Many of the people whose homes we visited responded positively” said Ruben Obregon, co-founder of the group and one of the members who went door to door last week to kick off the project. “This groundbreaking initiative takes the abortion and life issues battle beyond the streets and the clinics and delivers the life message directly to the homes of American families.”
Organized For Life’s community organizing aspect takes pro-life outreach to the next level by addressing abortion person to person, door by door, block by block, and City by City in an effort to organize local and national opposition to abortion.
jim m on January 22, 2009 at 6:57 PM
Fixed it for ya, Ed:
RightWinged on January 22, 2009 at 7:53 PM
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