Done: Obama signs order closing Gitmo within a year; Update: McCain, Graham support
posted at 1:00 pm on January 22, 2009 by Allahpundit
Just one of four you’ll see executed here; the second ends enhanced interrogations by the CIA. Note the third, though, establishing a task force to review all detention policies and procedures. If that “classified loophole” ends up being quietly carved out later, I assume that’s where it’ll come from.
WaPo’s touting its new poll showing that 53 percent support closing the prison, a perilously slim majority for so momentous a decision. Gallup, in fact, finds that 45 percent support keeping it open compared to just 35 percent who want it closed; among independents it’s 48 and 32, respectively. The stakes for Obama from Bush speechwriter Marc Thiessen:
During the campaign, Obama described the techniques used to prevent these attacks as “torture.” He promised that if elected, he would “have the Army Field Manual govern interrogation techniques for all United States Government personnel and contractors.” If he follows through, he will effectively kill a program that stopped al-Qaeda from launching another Sept. 11-style attack. It was easy for Obama the candidate to criticize the CIA program. But as president, what will he do when the next senior al-Qaeda leader — with actionable intelligence on plots to strike our homeland — is captured and refuses to talk? Will the president allow the CIA to question this terrorist using enhanced interrogation techniques? If Obama refuses and our country is attacked, he will bear responsibility.
Well, no, Al Qaeda will bear responsibility, a point to which the left will suddenly awaken after blaming Bush for every IED that went off in Iraq. But not everyone will see it that way, and they won’t all be Republicans: Remember, even a progressive as enlightened as Madam Speaker was cool with “torture” after 9/11.
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Update: Right out of the chute, cover from Maverick and his crony-in-chief.
“We support President Obama’s decision to close the prison at Guantanamo, reaffirm America’s adherence to the Geneva Conventions, and begin a process that will, we hope, lead to the resolution of all cases of Guantanamo detainees,” McCain and Graham said in a statement…
“Present at Guantanamo are a number of detainees who have been cleared for release but have found no foreign country willing to accept them,” the senators said. “Other detainees have been deemed too dangerous for release, but the sensitive nature of the evidence makes prosecution difficult. The military’s proper role in processing detainees held on the battlefield at Bagram, Afghanistan, and other military prisons around the world must be defended, but that is left unresolved. Also unresolved is the type of judicial process that would replace the military commissions. We believe the military commissions should have been allowed to continue their work.”
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The sexpert article hasn’t been posted yet.
lorien1973 on January 22, 2009 at 2:07 PM
Do you have a specific question?
wise_man on January 22, 2009 at 2:01 PM
Please stop being intentionally obtuse. I’m trying to treat you respectfully.
BadgerHawk on January 22, 2009 at 2:07 PM
its doubtful any GOP nominee would’ve won this year, if mcCain couldn’t appeal to moderates in this environment none of them could, and still hold the base.
Obama had far more money and orginization and just as importantly an MSM as a full time Propaganda outlet, combined with the largest Black Turnout in history along with ACORN.
Romney would’ve been creamed, Thompson would’ve lost, Rudy would’ve lost…in all likelihood
jp on January 22, 2009 at 2:07 PM
But, but, but I thought one of the main reasons for us to vote for McCain is because he is a man of honor and integrity, unswayed by political pressures? I thought McCain was the guy willing to risk his political career in order to stand up for what is right? I guess now not so much though. Thats funny. How strange. I really should have listened to you guys more intently.
Zetterson on January 22, 2009 at 2:08 PM
Never saw it…sorry…and I’m in Kansas but I agree that would be a major score.
Rogue on January 22, 2009 at 2:08 PM
The result of not voting for McCain in the general election is that we got Obama.
While all the current signs seem to be saying that if only we had voted for Ogabe, we wouldn’t have McCain.
Don’t get me wrong, I voted for Mac too, but this crap he is pulling makes me willing to say I made a mistake.
Bishop on January 22, 2009 at 2:08 PM
Sometimes I want to kick myself in the teeth for voting for McCain. Good gosh.
Mommypundit on January 22, 2009 at 2:08 PM
I’m not sure of a Muzzie problem in Baltimore or Milwaukee, but corruption and racism are rampant in all three, which of course, goes back to point #1. Oh, and sh@#ty public school systems, but of course, that is part and parcel of #1.
PimFortuynsGhost on January 22, 2009 at 1:56 PM
GITMO is like these cities because of corruption, racism, and sh@#ty public schools?
Buy Danish on January 22, 2009 at 2:09 PM
Yup. TRUDAT! He’s also erratic. And an adulterer. And he owns four dozenhouses and owns shoes that cost HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS!!! And he’s a democrat. And all the times he voted in favor of conservative issues? That was just an act./
wise_man on January 22, 2009 at 2:09 PM
Rogue on January 22, 2009 at 2:08 PM
Kansas, where did I get the idea you were from Alaska?
A thousand pardons.
Bishop on January 22, 2009 at 2:09 PM
Why are y’all rehashing the election? Done is done. McCain wasn’t ever the favorite precisely because people expected him to do dumb crap like this anyway, he was a vote against the other guy. Cut your losses and we then can get back to being the opposition. McCain isn’t surprising me at all. Just wait till he gets on board with the new, improved amnesty package…
theotherKate on January 22, 2009 at 2:09 PM
Mccain is a stubborn old ass. What is this nonsense about Geneva convention ? Is the opposing side party to the Geneva Convention ? Is Khalid S. Muhamad and his ilk ‘lawful combatants’ ?
runner on January 22, 2009 at 2:09 PM
The conditions remain unresolved during which McCain was pushed on the GOP as candidate. There were OTHER candidates who would have been more competitive.
I agree with the results-issues but the strife I see and experience is in the dratted box canyon Republican voters were in with seeing McCain preposterously pushed forward as the nominee. You’re probably about the fifth person, anywhere, who was enthusiastic about McCain. I voted for the GOP ticket last November (McCain/Palin) and did all I could after his nomination to support the ticket, but it was clear to me from the start that the McCain-push as nominee was for purposes of losing the election.
I see no other reason he was advanced as candidate, just no other reason. His limitations are and were consistently clear for all to see…
So, it’s not “just” the fault of some on the Right who currently complain about the Leftwing and Obama in the White House but also those of us who knew McCain wasn’t winning material: heavy influence has to have existed in the GOP who didn’t want to win for the GOP this time around, and who worked to elect Obama — and I include McCain in that, certainly his campaign handlers.
S on January 22, 2009 at 2:10 PM
Not that I could have voted any differently…and if we have RINOS winning in open primary states like McCain did (neat strategy, btw) we might end up being forced to vote holding our noses yet again…
either way we lose.
Does anyone remember BOTH social and fiscal conservatism? Anyone?
Mommypundit on January 22, 2009 at 2:10 PM
All three wanted the same thing. And Obama did it.
wise_man on January 22, 2009 at 2:10 PM
Mac is going back moderate, to get Obama’s ear by providing this cover, so he can influence Foreign Policy.
We are in for it in the Foreign Arena in coming years, we need men like McCain having input. Obama had to give this to the far-left, when Putin comes knocking Obama is going to need McCain.
jp on January 22, 2009 at 2:10 PM
Those two reeeally tick me off. I’m starting to get this thread and the Caroline Kennedy thread confused…too many vaginas in the Senate.
Laura in Maryland on January 22, 2009 at 2:11 PM
McCain will become the biggest enemy of the Republican party if he hasn’t already been.
I’m just wondering how it would have been different had McCain won. I’m not saying who I voted for, but I’m beginning to believe that Obama was at a minimum far better than McCain.
ThackerAgency on January 22, 2009 at 2:11 PM
No worries, I took it as a complement, in Alaska, I’d have Sarah to be proud of…instead I get Queen Kathy Sebelius, chief killer of partially born babies and vetoer of new coal plants.
Rogue on January 22, 2009 at 2:11 PM
So we’re all in agreement that McCain shouldn’t have won the republican primary. Cool. Anyone have a time machine so we can go back and keep him from winning the republican primary? Cause that would be good to make that not happen.
wise_man on January 22, 2009 at 2:12 PM
World doesn’t revolve around you. I don’t see where I mentioned you.
MadisonConservative on January 22, 2009 at 2:13 PM
wise_man, watch how this works. Are you ready?
I apologize for jumping to the conclusion that you voted for McCain in the primaries. I should not have done that. Allow me to withdraw and rephrase:
It is a shame anybody voted for McCain in the primaries. I don’t blame them I just hope lessons have been learned. In particular, do not vote for the candidate the MSM is trying to force down our throats. Take a second to figure out who they are attacking most forcefully. Vote for that person.
Zetterson on January 22, 2009 at 2:15 PM
Heh.
So is McCain. And George H.W. Bush.
baldilocks on January 22, 2009 at 2:15 PM
Nicely done.
BadgerHawk on January 22, 2009 at 2:16 PM
Question the judgement, fine. But don’t wring your hands and say “hell yeah, i hope it happens”
I mean. Really. Do you want to become what they were for 8 years? It’s 2 days in and look at some of the commenters here.
lorien1973
If that’s directed at me, you’re mistaken. I never said any such thing in those words or anything close to that. Many of us expect another Jihadist attack and have little faith in the Obama administration to blunt said attack. That’s not wishing for it. I was trying to cut the previous commenter some slack and you assumed I was agreeing with him.
Direct your ire at your real enemies. No doubt they are legion.
SKYFOX on January 22, 2009 at 2:18 PM
Is there any position McCain could take for which you wouldn’t come to his defense? I’m pretty sure if McCain would have stood up against this and blasted Obama, you would be here with your chest puffed out acting vindicated and ragging at everyone for being wrong about your hero.
Buddahpundit on January 22, 2009 at 2:19 PM
For the final time:
Don’t start, and there will be nothing to stop.
wise_man on January 22, 2009 at 2:19 PM
So if we get hit again and it is harder then 9/11. Then it is found out that a number of detainees were behind (because they had been released)the attack. What will the spin be from Pres. Obama, Sen. McCain, Sen. Graham be to the American people? Will the sheeple just let them off the hook, by them I mean the ones who enable this disaster to happen.
I can see it now… The spin will be that of the 90′s. We will hunt down and bring these individuals to justice. We are so F’n screwed, God help us.
USMCDevilDog on January 22, 2009 at 2:19 PM
That depends, Big. Was the attacked performed by people who were let out of Gitmo because of this bright idea Obama has?
See, cause that’s the problem we had with Clinton. He could have taken out Osama but didn’t. Now here, if Obama lets men out who then kill us, it’s the same thing.
I’m very much hoping nothing happens, but the cause and effect is rather obvious there.
Exactly, and then what? It’s not that I’m completely surprised he’s doing this, but I had really hoped he’d have a plan before making this order.
Fairly certain you won’t get one.
I completely agree. I was saying this the whole time. In 2004 I watched my liberal roommate move from Dean to Kerry simply under the “anyone but Bush” mantra and saw how it crumbled. You have to vote for someone if you want a prayer in winning.
Esthier on January 22, 2009 at 2:20 PM
wise_man, you brought this discussion back to the primaries with this comment:
Considering nobody mentioned the primaries until you, you should not fault others for simply pointing out mistakes that were made back then. If you don’t want to talk about it, don’t bring it up. Fair?
Zetterson on January 22, 2009 at 2:20 PM
There is a difference Big S.
Bush inherited the Clinton policies and did very little to change them, until after 9/11. And we all know what ensued from there. The Patriot Act, and wiretapping, and Club Gitmo, and the Iraq War, etc, etc, etc, and oh by the way we haven’t been attacked since W took a stand and made a promise to do everything he could to protect us from future attacks (which we were told were more than likely, in fact many experts called them inevitable)- which he has done.
If Obama comes in and replaces the policies and eliminates the safeguards (that you may not like) and we are attacked, then for the clear thinking among us, it’s quite obvious who we’ll be responsible.
With all due respect, I’ll never understand you liberals.
Fish on January 22, 2009 at 2:20 PM
Again, I didn’t mention or address you. I mentioned McCain worshippers who never apologize or admit being wrong. Unless you’re one of those, I never said a word about you.
MadisonConservative on January 22, 2009 at 2:21 PM
Uhhh can we please get someone from the Facility Engineering Dept to help remove Graham’s head from McLame’s six?
Anyone still wonder why we lost? Anyone still think that the GOP moving to the center will help us win back the Congress? Errrrrr, YA! Whatever!
HoosierCon on January 22, 2009 at 2:22 PM
Precisely.
Zetterson on January 22, 2009 at 2:23 PM
Who gives a shit what the general public thinks about this? We don’t know the details, and probably shouldn’t.
For the 53%, do you want them housed in your prison?
Didn’t think so.
BacaDog on January 22, 2009 at 2:23 PM
People needs to be reminded about this , The Geneva convention doesn’t protect these scumbags in the first place.
the_nile on January 22, 2009 at 2:24 PM
me too. . . I even have a left handed keyboard.
ThackerAgency on January 22, 2009 at 2:25 PM
Lib.
MadisonConservative on January 22, 2009 at 2:25 PM
I’m not even really opposed to closing Gitmo,given how unpopuar it is home and abroad and how it acts as a political lightning rod. I just want there to be some kind of plan in place before it happens.
Apparently Obama doesn’t care too much about that.
BadgerHawk on January 22, 2009 at 2:26 PM
And Buddahpundit, that was my original point on this thread. He didn’t even need McCain to stand up against it to start pounding his chest. He was pounding his chest at the mention of Obama signing these papers. But then Allah updated the post with the mention of McCain standing by Obama’s side with a set of pom poms and then he changed strategies. He decided to side with McCain and Obama and claim George Bush would’ve done the same thing. You know, even though he didn’t.
Zetterson on January 22, 2009 at 2:26 PM
Forget where on earth they think all these nutjob killers will go…the most important aspect of these decisions is the fact that this would change the very basic rules of warfare itself.
Allow Geneva Convention protections for terrorists? The conventions were put into place, in part, to demand that warfare is fought amongst men with clearly marked UNIFORMS who do their best to only target MILITARY targets. Terrorists, if given protections, null and void the entire process by specifically targeting civilians and doing everything they can to fit in with the civilian population in order to maximize damage.
Obama and McCain are both clueless on this issue.
TheBlueSite on January 22, 2009 at 2:27 PM
Nope, that’s wrong.
wise_man on January 22, 2009 at 2:27 PM
Funny, I started getting a bad feeling abou the campaign, not necessarily McCain himself yet, but the poorly run campaign in general after the NC Republican smackdown and the “Obama is a Celebrity” ad.
How stupid is it to tell your own party to not help you because you perceive their attacks are overboard while the other side is Morphing pictures of you with fangs and chimps pooping on your head, and then putting Paris Hiltion in an unflattering commercial when you know her family contributed to your campaign?
Can I throw a Grrrr in at this point.
hawkdriver on January 22, 2009 at 2:28 PM
I am also but I use the normal keyboard. Perhaps a leftie one will improve my typing.
baldilocks on January 22, 2009 at 2:28 PM
For the final, last time, don’t start.
wise_man on January 22, 2009 at 2:29 PM
I noticed they brought these folks up but didn’t mention what they plan on doing with them….
How does closing Gitmo change the position these guys are in?
Afghanistan doesn’t want them back, their countries of origin don’t want them back, no one in Europe is calling up the Oval Office to offer to take them…..
If we move the Gitmo prisoners to Pendleton or Leavenworth, is that somehow going to change? Or, is it more likely that bleeding hearts are going to say, “They’re cleared….they’re not a problem….and they’re already here. Let’s keep ‘em!”?
JadeNYU on January 22, 2009 at 2:29 PM
That’s the point I was making earlier, which I think wise_man realizes was valid, given his lack of response.
BadgerHawk on January 22, 2009 at 2:29 PM
It does feel a little better actually.
I don’t know… you might want to rethink that one. We have lots of patriots and guns here.
I agree very much; however, I’m willing to cut some of them some slack for a few days as they get used to the national hangover that is the Obama presidency. Most are good people who are bothered at the double standard, but I think they’ll come to their senses.
Esthier on January 22, 2009 at 2:30 PM
So you’re a McCain worshipper who never apologizes or admits to being wrong about McCain?
Otherwise, I never addressed you.
MadisonConservative on January 22, 2009 at 2:31 PM
Hi Baldi!
Are you guys pulling my leg. How does a left-handed keyboard help?
hawkdriver on January 22, 2009 at 2:31 PM
Easy bone to toss to the extreme left wing of the democratic party and McCain. It is meaningless in and of itself and will merely cost a lot of money to build a new compound Stateside. No, we just can’t put them in Leavenworth. Someone in Congress is going to get an hundred million dollar earmark to build a new “Terrorists tank”…Nice job Obama…Still playing politics I see.
Nozzle on January 22, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Hard to believe the same constituents put Graham in the Senate and Sanford in the governor’s office.
Where can we send money to McCain’s next opponent?
BuckeyeSam on January 22, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Dude, you started by responding to a comment that you thought was directed at you but never actually mentioned you. Was it directed at you? Maybe? Did you make it all about you? Absolutely.
Now you’re trying to finish an argument that you started. It doesn’t work like that. That’s possibly the most grating aspect to you, is that you want to be the last to get a word in edge wise on every subject. It’s very childish. Just learn to let some things go.
BadgerHawk on January 22, 2009 at 2:32 PM
I really don’t get my state sometimes. On one hand, we have Demint who is a great conservative. On the other hand we have this clown Graham. Oh how I wish Marc Sanford had ran for Senate last year.
cadams on January 22, 2009 at 2:32 PM
HAHAHA! You guys are easy. Anyone want to buy the Brooklyn Bridge from me? You can make a killing on the tolls.
ThackerAgency on January 22, 2009 at 2:33 PM
It doesn’t. We were discussing this earlier, and it’s the oddest part of McCain’s statement.
BadgerHawk on January 22, 2009 at 2:33 PM
Dammit, either you or Baldi come pull this hook out of my mouth!
hawkdriver on January 22, 2009 at 2:34 PM
, lead to the resolution of all cases of Guantanamo detainees,”
Translation: set them free so they can blow up other innocent people. You idiot liberals and RINOS, you’ll never learn.
Richard Romano on January 22, 2009 at 2:34 PM
Now that’s a fantastic idea. Can you imagine how much money that candidate would get if he/she just asked every disgruntled McCain voter to send in $1 ?????
sherry on January 22, 2009 at 2:35 PM
Funny how that works isn’t it.
Zetterson on January 22, 2009 at 2:35 PM
you’re a good sport Hawk. I just thought I’d lighten up the thread a bit:)
ThackerAgency on January 22, 2009 at 2:36 PM
Is the bridge left-handed?
MadisonConservative on January 22, 2009 at 2:36 PM
Fantastic argument. Very substantive. I like how you got right to the point, stated your case and then just laid low for a while. Brilliant.
Zetterson on January 22, 2009 at 2:37 PM
your comment was wrong, and so I said so.
wise_man on January 22, 2009 at 2:38 PM
I actually agree but only for one reason
To teach these liberal morons a lesson
so murtha hates the us marines but wants the Islamo nazis in his state
GOOD Give them all to murtha..
I want to watch as the aclu desends upon penselvania
and them lets all of these islamic terrorists
Run free on bail
in his district..
I want to watch as the entire state goes up in flames..
all courtesy of the liberals.
Maybe then after their entire state is being shredded
will these dumb ass liberals learn their lesson..
MORONS
jcila on January 22, 2009 at 2:38 PM
Look, wise, he’s got a point here. You’ve stated again and again that you didn’t want McCain either and that you’re not a “worshipper”. That doesn’t mean we don’t have a few here that genuinely are.
Why should he? He’s The One. There’s no need to detain terrorists anymore. They’ll just drop their physical jihad against us now.
Esthier on January 22, 2009 at 2:38 PM
Some people, but really only McCain worshippers who never admit to being wrong about him, ignore posts they don’t like, but often demand responses or badger people until they respond to specific posts. Rather Cartman-like, “Respect mah authori-tah!”
MadisonConservative on January 22, 2009 at 2:39 PM
From hotair alone that would be half the amount that Obama got in 08.
Sounds good to me.
wise_man on January 22, 2009 at 2:39 PM
you should stop.
wise_man on January 22, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Exactly.
GWB’s statement about closing GITMO reflect’s a certain mindset about problem-solving. In a perfect world, one would be able to solve problems perfectly. However since this world is imperfect, sometimes what can be perceived to be the “perfect” solution may cause worse problems. Therefore, one can wish for the “perfect” solution (closing GITMO) but be realistic enough to understand that it would cause more problems (security reasons, jurisdictionally, etc.).
So since the “perfect” solution was unworkable, GWB picked the least bad solution–keeping GITMO open. This, my friends, is called strategic thinking. GWB’s (perennial) problem was with expressing this idea.
baldilocks on January 22, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Move the entire population to the South Side of Chicago!
I’m sure they will make loyal White Sox Fans.
Oxybeles on January 22, 2009 at 2:39 PM
you are – quite surprisingly – wrong.
Again.
wise_man on January 22, 2009 at 2:40 PM
Man, you are on fire! Quite the master debater.
Zetterson on January 22, 2009 at 2:41 PM
Where are you getting this idea that I’m talking to or about you?
You’re not the center of the world.
MadisonConservative on January 22, 2009 at 2:41 PM
Tee hee!
baldilocks on January 22, 2009 at 2:42 PM
I am such a retard.
reflect’s=reflects
baldilocks on January 22, 2009 at 2:42 PM
Um, no, I never addressed you in the posts you’re referring to. I referred to a group of people. Unless you’re part of that group, stop telling me what I was or wasn’t saying, or who I was saying it to.
MadisonConservative on January 22, 2009 at 2:43 PM
You know, this is getting really tedious. Bush would have liked to close GITMO at some time in the distant future after all the terrorist scum were tried by military tribunals (or in the U.S. if the courts were stupid enough to mandate that).
McCain, on the other hand, wanted them to be sent to Leavenworth, KS and have the tribunals take place at that location. Moreover, unlike President Bush, McCain insisted that interrogation rules should comply with the Geneva Conventions, and is opposed to waterboarding.
Please stop trying to conflate the positions of the two men, as they are/were very different.
Buy Danish on January 22, 2009 at 2:43 PM
On the other hand, let’s compare and contrast McCain’s and Obama’s opinions on what to do with Gitmo. Oh, wait, all I have to do is scroll to the top. Look how happy they are together.
MadisonConservative on January 22, 2009 at 2:46 PM
I have a sneaky suspicion that your comment will not merit a response from wise_man. Your comment seems to be one of those “well argued” messages based on “facts”. For some reason wise_man has a habit of ignoring such posts. But I’m sure its just a coincidence.
Zetterson on January 22, 2009 at 2:47 PM
That was never enough. Not even the most fanatic moderate out there thinks we voted for Obama. They didn’t just want us to VOTE for McCain, they needed us to swear undying allegiance and fanatically praise the guy hook, line and sinker.
McCain dedicated the last ten years of his life to thumbing his nose at conservatives and sucking up to all those “hard core moderates” out there. So is wiseguy blaming THEM for any of this? Christopher Hitchens, Christopher Buckley, Peggy Noonan, etc.?
No. Of course not. Moderates know better than anyone else how reliable they are. Conservatives are supposed to provide all the energy, vitality and tenacity it takes to stand up to the liberal media and their “politics of personal destruction.”
Basically this is the equivalent of a bunch of sports critics jumping into the middle of a professional football game, and then blaming their invevitable loss on the fact that the real players, who took their places in the bleachers, didn’t cheer loudly enough.
logis on January 22, 2009 at 2:47 PM
Hello BD.
I think I will go with McCain on this one because he knows about torture.
getalife on January 22, 2009 at 2:49 PM
Yeah, you’re so stupid. Only a total idiot would make that mistake.
Your 2:39 post was right on target, by the way.
BadgerHawk on January 22, 2009 at 2:49 PM
I think we’re all missing the important point here, and that is that if you don’t still love Captain Amnesty, then you’re just an Obama supporter in disguise, trying to undermine the entire GOP.
So many of us here, it seems. When’s the next clandestine meeting where we get together and plot our next eeeevil plan?
MadisonConservative on January 22, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Well you are from Madison, so you’re probably a huge lib anyway. No true conservative could ever live there.
BadgerHawk on January 22, 2009 at 2:53 PM
I choose not to read the prior Nancy-Boy comments at this time. I’ll come back later to bitch-slap all the Obama-knobbing pansies.
As for McLame – the primary dissidents had it right: better to have their nitwit in the White House to f*ck this up and get blamed for it, than to have our nitwit in the White House doing the same thing and getting us further enmity from the voters.
Reset: Obama’s first move is closing Gitmo?! Why?
Jaibones on January 22, 2009 at 2:54 PM
Same goes for the footballs fans of UW-Madison. Commie pinkos, all of you.
MadisonConservative on January 22, 2009 at 2:55 PM
Fish, I have to make a correction to your post. Bush inherited the bad Clinton policies and began the arduous task of correcting them and getting his policy team in Order. The corrections became fully finalized and operative on September 10, 2001, one day before the attacks. Hardly sufficient time for the Bush Administration to undo the damage and react to the AQ plots that had been raging for the last two years of the Clinton Administration.
eaglewingz08 on January 22, 2009 at 2:56 PM
I loved my previous Commander In Chief and while I’m a big time I admit it Bush, apologist on a lot of issues, there’s things I wish he had done better. But the expressing of his positions I blame a bit on the media too. It might just be me, but I thought I saw an evolution where he just sort of gave up trying to explain his rational to a media who demonstrably twisting what he said or tried hard not to understand him.
Meh, might just be me.
hawkdriver on January 22, 2009 at 2:57 PM
Actually, I wish Bush had tried this men and figured out a sentence for them before leaving office. I wish he hadn’t simply put his trust in Obama to take care of them.
Then he would have made Obama reverse a decision on convicted terrorists.
Yes, but that’s also why we’re not supposed to trust him, because men who were tortured have a way of lashing out at inappropriate times.
Weren’t you paying attention to the election ads?
Esthier on January 22, 2009 at 2:57 PM
You know you voted for Obama, probably twice. Just admit it already.
BadgerHawk on January 22, 2009 at 2:57 PM
Thank you!
baldilocks on January 22, 2009 at 2:58 PM
Eh, twisted…
hawkdriver on January 22, 2009 at 2:59 PM
No problem, retard!
BadgerHawk on January 22, 2009 at 2:59 PM
That’s “special” to you, BH. :P
baldilocks on January 22, 2009 at 3:00 PM
Was McCain’s sole purpose for running for office, to hijack the GOP? Because he’s certainly good at it and making broader and bolder attempts at it every day.
DrewVT6 on January 22, 2009 at 3:00 PM
You made Obama and his supporters so very pleased from your work here on their behalf. You’re like a low rent version of Ross Perot, who hated H W Bush and participated in going against him in the arena of public opinion and you both got what you wanted. For the republican to fail and the democrat to win.
You should be happy with yourself because what you advocated came true. You wanted McCain to lose, you told people how much he sucked, you lied about him, you told people they could vote for the constitution party, you mentioned that Bob Barr would get 10% of the vote at least … anything except support the republican. And here we thought that the PUMA’s might have siphoned votes away from Obama out of spite. No. that didn’t happen. Again, this is what the democrats wanted. Just like you.
You won, get over it.
wise_man on January 22, 2009 at 3:01 PM
You do realize who you’re talking to here, right? That was the whole freaking POINT of the McCain campaign: He is the center of everything.
And when it comes to the McCaniacs who are so completely out of it that they’re still trying to sidetrack every thread about Barack Obama, even after his innaguration?
…Well, they didn’t just find the black hole at the center of the Universe; they stuck their heads so far up there they’ve turned themselves inside out and BECOME the Universe.
logis on January 22, 2009 at 3:01 PM
I wrote in Leon Trotsky. Obama was too conservative for me.
We both know you voted for Paris Hilton, though. You dog.
MadisonConservative on January 22, 2009 at 3:02 PM
Using can’t wait was a poor choice of words.
But I do beleive Barry is inviting another attack.
To rephrase – What will Barry say if a released detainee takes part in a terrorist attack ?
DeweyWins on January 22, 2009 at 3:05 PM
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