Done: Obama signs order closing Gitmo within a year; Update: McCain, Graham support
posted at 1:00 pm on January 22, 2009 by Allahpundit
Just one of four you’ll see executed here; the second ends enhanced interrogations by the CIA. Note the third, though, establishing a task force to review all detention policies and procedures. If that “classified loophole” ends up being quietly carved out later, I assume that’s where it’ll come from.
WaPo’s touting its new poll showing that 53 percent support closing the prison, a perilously slim majority for so momentous a decision. Gallup, in fact, finds that 45 percent support keeping it open compared to just 35 percent who want it closed; among independents it’s 48 and 32, respectively. The stakes for Obama from Bush speechwriter Marc Thiessen:
During the campaign, Obama described the techniques used to prevent these attacks as “torture.” He promised that if elected, he would “have the Army Field Manual govern interrogation techniques for all United States Government personnel and contractors.” If he follows through, he will effectively kill a program that stopped al-Qaeda from launching another Sept. 11-style attack. It was easy for Obama the candidate to criticize the CIA program. But as president, what will he do when the next senior al-Qaeda leader — with actionable intelligence on plots to strike our homeland — is captured and refuses to talk? Will the president allow the CIA to question this terrorist using enhanced interrogation techniques? If Obama refuses and our country is attacked, he will bear responsibility.
Well, no, Al Qaeda will bear responsibility, a point to which the left will suddenly awaken after blaming Bush for every IED that went off in Iraq. But not everyone will see it that way, and they won’t all be Republicans: Remember, even a progressive as enlightened as Madam Speaker was cool with “torture” after 9/11.
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Update: Right out of the chute, cover from Maverick and his crony-in-chief.
“We support President Obama’s decision to close the prison at Guantanamo, reaffirm America’s adherence to the Geneva Conventions, and begin a process that will, we hope, lead to the resolution of all cases of Guantanamo detainees,” McCain and Graham said in a statement…
“Present at Guantanamo are a number of detainees who have been cleared for release but have found no foreign country willing to accept them,” the senators said. “Other detainees have been deemed too dangerous for release, but the sensitive nature of the evidence makes prosecution difficult. The military’s proper role in processing detainees held on the battlefield at Bagram, Afghanistan, and other military prisons around the world must be defended, but that is left unresolved. Also unresolved is the type of judicial process that would replace the military commissions. We believe the military commissions should have been allowed to continue their work.”
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You meen that Bush hasn’t been under pressure to release people?
the_nile on January 22, 2009 at 1:33 PM
Stop arguing with Big S! He knows what you meant. It doesn’t matter what you actually wrote–he knows what you meant even if you didn’t mean it and even if you said something completely different. Big S knows your heart and mind, man. Whatever you write, it’s gonna fit what Big S knows you really mean. Geeze, don’t you people have any grip on reality? Like Big S does?
exlibris on January 22, 2009 at 1:33 PM
Obama will bear responsibility for weakening America’s defenses and failing to protect the nation.
If an attack does occur as a result of these decisions I just hope the only people who face those consequences are the people who supported these decisions.
gumble on January 22, 2009 at 1:34 PM
As Berry makes his call to Abu Mazen
“Hey Abu, Berry here.”
“Hey Berry – if I were there I would give you a fist bump.”
“Same here Abu. Look, I am going to close Gitmo and I don’t know what to do with those terrorist, I mean misunderstood people. Murtha says to send them to him. What do you think?”
“That could be expensive. Just send them to me. I’ll keep a good watch over them for you.”
“You’re a great man Abu, I just knew we could work together.
“Later Berry, I have some school kids I need to shield – if you know what I mean.”
“Fist bump to ya brotha.”
BobK on January 22, 2009 at 1:34 PM
McCain has supported all of Obama’s moves so far, even supporting some corrupt cabinet appointments. I’m not so sure you would have been correct.
True_King on January 22, 2009 at 1:34 PM
Can we not wish for bad things? Be an adult.
lorien1973
I don’t think DeweyWins said he wished for it. He was acknowledging the invevitability of it, although “can’t wait” does suggest want. Could have been better worded, but your adminition to be an adult would be better directed at the new administration. If anyone needs maturation it’s this crowd.
SKYFOX on January 22, 2009 at 1:34 PM
Soft on terror. We knew Obama would deliver.
jediwebdude on January 22, 2009 at 1:34 PM
McCain is dead to me.
madmonkphotog on January 22, 2009 at 1:35 PM
I have nothing to apologize to you for.
wise_man on January 22, 2009 at 1:35 PM
Same here.
MadisonConservative on January 22, 2009 at 1:35 PM
Something explodes somewhere relevant within two years and somebody from Gitmo is involved.
mankai on January 22, 2009 at 1:36 PM
Nah, it’s for spineless.
Entelechy on January 22, 2009 at 1:37 PM
It isn’t funny now, and I’m sure it won’t be funny then either.
But we’re still screwed.
logis on January 22, 2009 at 1:37 PM
Couldn’t agree with you more. Everytime I see his smug smile, I cringe. Mostly because I donated to his pathetic campaign. The biggest waste of hard-earned money.
sherry on January 22, 2009 at 1:37 PM
Is Bush also walking hand in hand with Obama?
wise_man on January 22, 2009 at 1:37 PM
Do McCain and Graham have to do everything in tandem? It’s a little weird.
Pasalubong on January 22, 2009 at 1:37 PM
darwin on January 22, 2009 at 1:19 PM
We all ready have one party! The Republican party has been infiltrated by Dims who knew they couldn’t win as Dims in their home states, so wrap themselves in Republican hides and set about destroying the party.
Time for a new party.
Throw ‘em all in the Potomac, Dems and RINOs alike.
We need Sarah and Joe the Plumber to help us out of this farciful system.
dhunter on January 22, 2009 at 1:38 PM
Ditto. I coulda bought, like, 5 Shamwows and a Snuggie with that money.
Pasalubong on January 22, 2009 at 1:38 PM
I am wondering if there was more to what you posted. Like i would love to close Guantanamo and send these people to court, but …………….
MDWNJ on January 22, 2009 at 1:40 PM
If the closing of Gitmo or changing interrogation regulations can help us get other nations – who don’t want to be associated with it for political reasons – on board, it might help a heck of a lot more than it hurts.
If you don’t believe that allied governments are working with us at this very moment, you are naive.
Believe it or not, if you don’t see something on the front page of the NYT doesn’t mean it isn’t happening.
Bishop on January 22, 2009 at 1:40 PM
I missed something… Did Bush close Gitmo?
We all wish there was no reason for Gitmo or that we had some way to knock off the nutjobs there… but that doesn’t mean we’d support closing it “just ’cause” some people don’t like it.
mankai on January 22, 2009 at 1:40 PM
I’m back to really not liking McCain
All’s right with the world
Defector01 on January 22, 2009 at 1:40 PM
Don’t you do everything with your girlfriend?
MadisonConservative on January 22, 2009 at 1:40 PM
We must build the narrative that Obama is deconstructing the Bush anti-terror program…
RedSoxNation on January 22, 2009 at 1:41 PM
Oh yes, you most certainly do. You started commenting on this threat with a post that was the equivalent of a great big giant “I told you so”. You and Erin jumped right on this in order to point a finger at all of us who have been hammering McCain throughout the course of the campaign. You knee jerk reaction was to immediately say to us all, “see guys, this is what you get for refusing to get on your knees for McCain.”
But then Allah updated and we learned that the backstabbing McCain, once again, is no different then Obama.
Zetterson on January 22, 2009 at 1:41 PM
Me too. It was like being talked into buying a car that you didn’t like the look of, heard awful things about and (ran poorly) but you bought it anyway. We should have said no after the test drive. I said it yesterday. He’s more a Liberal than a Republican.
PS, The only option from the McCain car I’d like in the next one is Palin.
hawkdriver on January 22, 2009 at 1:41 PM
So much longer will you make excuses for Juan McVain?
Elric66 on January 22, 2009 at 1:41 PM
Boyfriend. And no, I don’t. Which is why I feel like I should buy them both promise rings. :)
Pasalubong on January 22, 2009 at 1:42 PM
Big Stupid bleats:
Yeah, cuz it’s dead simple to figure out which Muslim will suddenly decide it’s a fard ayn obligation to kill the enemies of Islam. Especially when everyone seems to agree the most unstable element in the universe is the so-called moderate Muslim. Living Jews in India, BK ice cream cones, cartoons, or squiggly lines on Nikes can set them off. I’m pretty sure every jihadi ever mentioned in the press was described as a “nice (to other Muslims), quiet guy who began to take his religion very seriously and wear a long beard. Oh, and then the become “mentally ill” and “victims of torture” as their court dates approach. In the case of the Canadian jihadis who wanted to behead the Canadian PM, they were tortured within hours of arrest. Those wascawy Canucks!
Let me guess Big Stupid, you’ve never read the Quran, Al Qaeda manual available online, a single hadith, or know anything about the life of Mohammed.
Well given your beliefs I’m not really guessing.
Beagle on January 22, 2009 at 1:42 PM
Don’t remind me. I don’t feel like McCain wasted my money; I feel like he spit on it, wiped his butt with it and THEN wasted it.
logis on January 22, 2009 at 1:42 PM
That relationship
FIFY…A terrorist-loving socialist is President, all is definitely not right with the world
Rogue on January 22, 2009 at 1:42 PM
Some people never apologize, and never admit to being wrong about a cause. Some will worship a man, no matter how much he screws them, or betrays them.
Lately, these people have usually been Obama worshippers. However, there are a few McCain worshippers as well.
MadisonConservative on January 22, 2009 at 1:43 PM
Oh, they’re working with us, but few of their leaders want to get caught being associated with support for our policies. Obama will probably continue most of the policy and structural changes the Bush administration set up. He’s taking down two related ones: the operation of Gitmo and the interrogation techniques. Those are only the most visible ones, not the most important, but they make it politically difficult for a lot of foreign leaders to cooperate with us.
Big S on January 22, 2009 at 1:43 PM
Baloney. Look up the detainees statuses. From the article posted this week:
-60 were cleared for release, but no country will take them.
-100 are considered too dangerous for release but can’t stand trial because of intelligence sensitivity
-The other 85 are either in or facing military tribunal. I’d imagine there might be a few in the 85 that are recent arrivals that are still being processed, but at this point that must be slim to none.
Chuck Schick on January 22, 2009 at 1:43 PM
Wait till Juan McCain and Lindsay Grahmnesty go to work on the illegal alien invasion if you don’t like them now.
I want my $50.00 back. I knew I should have sent the check to Alaska.
dhunter on January 22, 2009 at 1:43 PM
I responded to you the first time you put that quote up and you failed to respond back. It seems to me that Bush would have liked to close the place, but realized it was the best option available to him at the time. So he kept it open because he thought it was the best way to keep Americans safe.
That doesn’t seem to be hand in hand with Obama (and McCain) at all.
BadgerHawk on January 22, 2009 at 1:43 PM
“Obviously, the Guantanamo issue is a sensitive issue for people,” Bush told ARD German television. “I very much would like to end Guantanamo; I very much would like to get people to a court.
Is Bush also walking hand in hand with Obama?
wise_man on January 22, 2009 at 1:37 PM
Unsaid: “I would love to close Gitmo but let’s face it, the alternatives aren’t so great so for now, it stays open.”
This interview was from May 2006, Bush had almost three years to do something and he didn’t.
Ogabe? Two days. TWO days and with Mac’s support.
Bishop on January 22, 2009 at 1:44 PM
How about just not sending a single greenback to them…evah…and watch how quickly they decide to cooperate. No blankets, no grain, no widgets and whatnots, no bullets, no imports, no U.N. backdoor funds, no vaseline to use against us.
Limerick on January 22, 2009 at 1:44 PM
Searching Google Earth to find the most remote and far away island to escape to for the next 4 years. This is more than sick, I world where in the world will they put them. Just exactlly how long is the waiting list for government housing? 12 months maybe?
milwife88 on January 22, 2009 at 1:45 PM
They close gitmo and because they close gitmo, they have to build a high max prison somewhere else? Not much of a victory.
Blake on January 22, 2009 at 1:45 PM
Has anyone tried emailing the McCain campaign (or his new CountryFIrst PAC) and asked for a refund of their 2008 contributions?
Wethal on January 22, 2009 at 1:45 PM
By the way, while Benjamin Button is getting so many awards, I wish Alfred was around to smack Obama upside his naive little head…
Figure. It. Out.
MadisonConservative on January 22, 2009 at 1:46 PM
LOL. You are El Fuego today MadCon.
DeweyWins on January 22, 2009 at 1:46 PM
Given Sen. McCain’s track record on being right on GWOT issues more often than just about anybody else in DC, I’ll go with John.
dakine on January 22, 2009 at 1:46 PM
This is the kind of thing we can look forward to here at home when GITMO closes:
The first two Americans, armed only with batons, lost their footing and slipped to the floor in the disgusting mess the detainees had created expressly for that purpose. A witch’s brew of feces, urine, and soap suds coated the floor making a slippery, revolting mess. Immediately the detainee feigning suicide jumped from his bunk and joined his fellows in assaulting the guards on the floor. Using blades torn from the rotating fan, sharp glass objects from light fixtures, and pieces of the fan as bludgeons and knives they attempted to kill a guard. This had clearly been their intent from the outset. Despite the whine from apologists, this disturbance was not a protest but a calculated military action: an ambush. Knowing that the Americans would not let a suicide attempt proceed unhindered the detainees used the suicide ruse to lure the QRF into the kill zone.
Buy Danish on January 22, 2009 at 1:46 PM
Palin could win some base love by pointing out the absurdity of this in a statement.
Then Obama is likely to put the new Gitmo in Alaska though.
jp on January 22, 2009 at 1:47 PM
McCain just got what he has wanted for last two years, the drooling media attention. $10.00 says he is being booked on Hardball at this very minute.
sherry on January 22, 2009 at 1:47 PM
People need to remember that the terrorists we have in Gitmo are links in a long chain of other terrorists. While they may no longer have useful intelligence they can not be discussed or tried publicly without exposing their identities and exposing the chain. Because of these people we have worked through the chain to get closer to the enemy.
You don’t think all those Predator strikes in Pakistan are coincidence do you? A lot of that no doubt can be linked to the criminals at Gitmo. Closing Gitmo will expose possibly hundreds of operatives in Pakistan and Afghanistan potentially causing their deaths. A vast intelligence net could be destroyed.
Closing Gitmo is dangerously stupid in my opinion.
Guardian on January 22, 2009 at 1:47 PM
You can’t possibly be serious. How long did it take Obama to sign these papers? A few hours after entering into office? Bush could have signed these papers. He didn’t though. Those are the facts. He said, “he would like to”, but he didn’t. See the difference?
Zetterson on January 22, 2009 at 1:48 PM
You should stop.
wise_man on January 22, 2009 at 1:48 PM
Maybe we could rename it Gitm’Obama and turn it into a mass grave for future victims of terrorism.
Ronnie on January 22, 2009 at 1:48 PM
Nope.
1) He’s closing a building. That’s it. Those people are going to still be held to the same detention and trial standards on Gitmo in a court on US soil- or set free. It’s one or the other- and it will be public and embarrassing for Obama unless he wants to follow the existing process… meaning closing Gitmo was 100% cosmetic. KSM and 2 others were waterboarded. They would have to be set free once they hit US soil.
2) The interrogation techniques outside of the Army field manual were used 3 times by direct order 6 years ago and never since. So the order essentially changed nothing. Obama is still retaining the right to order it should the same situation occur.
Again- all this is cosmetic until actual decisions are made at gametime. It means nothing.
Chuck Schick on January 22, 2009 at 1:48 PM
Like open borders and opposed to tough interrogation techniques?
Elric66 on January 22, 2009 at 1:49 PM
the problem is, even though its based on lies and smears, Gitmo was turned into a Geo-Political problem by anti-american forces all over the world.
jp on January 22, 2009 at 1:49 PM
Buy Danish on January 22, 2009 at 1:46 PM
Sounds like downtown Baltimore, Detroit, or Milwaukee.
And for bonus points, what do those three cities have in common?
PimFortuynsGhost on January 22, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Big S on January 22, 2009 at 1:43 PM
Fine, let the national leaders feed the press with politically correct garbage while working behind the scenes to do what is necessary, the effect is the same. Everyone knows, or should, that the black operations will still be in place, no matter how many Congressmen bloviate into the cameras about ending these “terrible practices.”
It’s not as if the laundry list of whining complaints the world has against us will go away if Gitmo closes.
Bishop on January 22, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Obama better hope this does not come back and bite him. As in he lets them go and later one or more is involved in a terrorist attack on US territory or property.
albill on January 22, 2009 at 1:50 PM
I could actually live with that…these are desert scum, a prison in the middle of a Tundra will work not to mention, Alaska is freakin enormous, you don’t have to put it near a city/port/highway/airport like you would anywhere else in the US.
Max Security prison, one airstrip, hundreds of miles of snow and ice in all directions and boom…new Gitmo.
Rogue on January 22, 2009 at 1:51 PM
And for bonus points, what do those three cities have in common?
DFL control for decades which has led them to become rusty dumps and mere shades of their former industrial glory?
Or muslims?
Bishop on January 22, 2009 at 1:52 PM
The 9/11 plot was hatched during Clinton’s term which is why he should get blamed for it as well as his other ineffectual responses to terrorist incidents which contributed to the belief that the US was weak.
However Obama will have modified the operational arena, eliminating things in place under Pres Bush, that might be able to identify incidents currently being planned – so yes the next attack will be Obamas fault.
katiejane on January 22, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Mega-dittos to all of you!
“My” president is going to hear from me about this!
And so will my Senators and my Congressman: we’re not having these killers in Texas, that’s for damn sure!
Jenfidel on January 22, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Obama will absolutely bear responsibility if the country is attacked. He just sent a huge signal of weakness to our enemies, and weakness invites attacks.
thirteen28 on January 22, 2009 at 1:52 PM
I’m so cynical and pessimistic right now that I wouldn’t be surprised if the MSM (well, def. MSNBC) said still blamed it on Bush for “making them mad” in the first place. I’ll believe O criticism when I see it.
Pasalubong on January 22, 2009 at 1:52 PM
People like them must be a campaign strategist’s wet dream. They vote for the same guy over and over again no matter what. They send checks in the mail to the campaign. They argue relentlessly on their guy’s behalf no matter how many times their guy turns his back on them. THEY – WILL – NEVER – LEARN.
Zetterson on January 22, 2009 at 1:52 PM
“McCain and Graham said in a statement…
Crowbar please!
artist on January 22, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Max Security prison, one airstrip, hundreds of miles of snow and ice in all directions and boom…new Gitmo.
Rogue on January 22, 2009 at 1:51 PM
And vampires, don’t forget the vampires.
Bishop on January 22, 2009 at 1:53 PM
“Can’t wait” means you are looking forward to it.
The number of “I’m looking forward to the next attack” comments on this site these days is astounding. I thought only the leftist sites did that. But here we are, praying for the worst to happen.
Question the judgement, fine. But don’t wring your hands and say “hell yeah, i hope it happens”
I mean. Really. Do you want to become what they were for 8 years? It’s 2 days in and look at some of the commenters here.
lorien1973 on January 22, 2009 at 1:53 PM
I wouldn’t want to visit any of them?
MDWNJ on January 22, 2009 at 1:53 PM
Hahahahaha
Pasalubong on January 22, 2009 at 1:54 PM
They suck at baseball?
Ronnie on January 22, 2009 at 1:54 PM
wise_man,
You’re pretty good at responding to people’s comments whether they were directed at you or not, so please respond to mine. It’s not that unreasonable.
BadgerHawk on January 22, 2009 at 1:55 PM
So voting for McCain was bad, because McCain wasn’t the right choice, even though all the other better conservatives lost in the republican primaries. The result of not voting for McCain in the general election is that we got Obama.
So now we’ve got Obama, so what’s the problem now? You’ve got what you want, so what are you b*tching about now?
wise_man on January 22, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Wise Man, I’ve always liked your posts, and I don’t say you speak in his behalf too much, but man, I really feel like a sucker for getting on the McCain bandwagon. He was picked by the Media years ago to be pushed as our candidate because they knew he was easily manipulated and even if elected was a far cry from a true Conservative. All those classic right issues he campaigned on were just ejected because he knows he doesn’t have to court our favor for anything now. He just wanted our votes. If John McCain were a man of conviction, he would be pounding a desk repeating his claim that life begins at conception and that the Freedom of Choice Act was the first issue he was going to go toe to toe with his previous opponent on.
hawkdriver on January 22, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Proof once again that there wasn’t one bit of choice between McCain the the corrupt Chicago politician currently holding court in the White House.
In 2010 and 2012, it is time to drive people like McCain out of office. They are traitors.
highhopes on January 22, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Bishop on January 22, 2009 at 1:52 PM
#1.
I’m not sure of a Muzzie problem in Baltimore or Milwaukee, but corruption and racism are rampant in all three, which of course, goes back to point #1. Oh, and sh@#ty public school systems, but of course, that is part and parcel of #1.
PimFortuynsGhost on January 22, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Seriously. And your wife, or parents, or family or friends could be caught in the next attack, if one happens. Gleefully awaiting one is disgusting.
BadgerHawk on January 22, 2009 at 1:57 PM
My point should be obvious.
wise_man on January 22, 2009 at 1:57 PM
my bad…I thought they were frozen aliens from a UFO crash…
Rogue on January 22, 2009 at 1:58 PM
Because your boy is kissing Obama’s brass ring.
Elric66 on January 22, 2009 at 1:58 PM
Unmitigated garbage. It’s been said here before, but I’ll say it again, the Geneva convention is not enforced by one particular body, it’s a gentleman’s agreement between the signatories. There are also specific provisions that expressly forbid extending any kinds of special treatment to terrorists. If I know this, I’m sure McCain and Graham know this, don’t bring the Geneva convention into this you idiots.
celtnik on January 22, 2009 at 1:58 PM
Speaking of traitors, how you doing man? You still happy with all those months of telling us all to STFU and vote for McCain? McCain is Obama’s best friend in the Senate and people like you were just too damned stupid when it mattered most.
highhopes on January 22, 2009 at 1:59 PM
I beleive the problem with putting them on US Soil, is the Terrorist can then make a mockery of our Justice system and get Criminal Trials like Moussoui, cost taxpayers a fortune and clog up the whole Justice System.
It also undermines the root issue: Was 9/11 and Jihad an “Act of War” or just a Crime, to be dealt with when/If committed(what the Left insanely beleive)
jp on January 22, 2009 at 1:59 PM
Gee, thanks for clearig that up. Want to try again with an actual answer, please?
BadgerHawk on January 22, 2009 at 1:59 PM
So what were we supposed to do? All stay a home because our candidate that we wanted lost the republican primary?
Well, McCain lost. And Obama won. So what’s the issue here? The people who voted for him lost out to the people who voted for Obama, and we’re in the same situation as if none of us voted for McCain, because the result is the same. President Obama. If there is some other way you want me to act, or something that I am doing that is not logical, please, let me know.
wise_man on January 22, 2009 at 2:00 PM
Had a nephew that did interrogation at Gitmo for two years…it is not what people think.
He said the prisoners were more then happy to be there until things “settled down”.
They sang like birds, just ask a question and they answered it. Only a few resisted, and they mainly resisted in public…the reason? They had it in their mind that if they didn’t cooperated they would be tortured, that is the system they grew up with, and also that is what they were told about the U.S.
Without giving any details, he just said that the information we received was staggering, and absolutely essential to breaking up the groups.
How they meet, where they meet, how they communicate, “code” words, support groups.
Twenty years from now, he said, you will be stunned by what was garnered in just a few months…then what was obtained by the “heavy-weights”.
Bravado in a group or when the news came around, but in the “sessions” they told us everything, more then we ever would have imagined. And were extremely friendly and grateful for the protection we gave them.
right2bright on January 22, 2009 at 2:00 PM
Do you have a specific question?
wise_man on January 22, 2009 at 2:01 PM
why, because voting 3rd party or staying home would be better than electing McCain to avoid Obama?
If McCain was in the whitehouse, its no guarantee he would be doing this right now.
This is all about politics.
jp on January 22, 2009 at 2:01 PM
So voting for McCain was bad, because McCain wasn’t the right choice, even though all the other better conservatives lost in the republican primaries. The result of not voting for McCain in the general election is that we got Obama.
So now we’ve got Obama, so what’s the problem now? You’ve got what you want, so what are you b*tching about now?
wise_man on January 22, 2009 at 2:01 PM
Well stated, jp.
This page is in dire need of logic and reason.
wise_man on January 22, 2009 at 2:02 PM
No argument but let’s face it…we lost that battle a long time ago.
The battle now is keeping that scum out of our backyards…and living only a Palestinian rocket’s flight away from Ft. Leavenworth, this is a near and dear battle for me and mine.
Rogue on January 22, 2009 at 2:03 PM
This is the beginning of the end, wait until he starts shredding the DoD and all of the new or upgraded weapons systems coming online. GlObama has to rebuild Americas image into an Euro-weenie state flush with socalism and awash in politically correct moral relativity.
This “white” will never be right!
dmann on January 22, 2009 at 2:03 PM
I agree. Any Republican voter who cast their vote for McCain in the primary, in retrospect, made a huge mistake. That being said, McCain would never had won if not for the equally despicable Mike Huckabee. Those two had to team up against Romney in order to defeat him and ensure we never had a chance to enter into the general election with the best possible candidate available. Say what you will, but I have little doubt Romney, in his sleep, would have been far better in the general then McCain could ever be on his best day. Economic crisis or not.
You voted for McCain in the primary. I blame you for all of this.
Zetterson on January 22, 2009 at 2:03 PM
I suggest that there be a match-up between Democratic Senators and each terrorist, as to where the terrorists will be relocated: to their matched-up Democratic Senators’ home, of course. Obama and Michelle could probably park a few in their place in Chicago for the next four years.
S on January 22, 2009 at 2:04 PM
No, I manned the phones here in Fayetteville and voted for him. The point is he wasn’t anywhere near the best candidate and we should never let our candidate be picked for us again. What’s done is done.
hawkdriver on January 22, 2009 at 2:04 PM
Can we just all stop attacking each other and go back to attacking Allahpundit????
Do it for the children!!!!!
Blake on January 22, 2009 at 2:04 PM
When it mattered most – I voted for Mitt Romney, and my vote was drowned out. And then I didn’t want Obama to win. So I did the only thing I could to try to make this a reality, I voted for the man I didn’t want to win – in the republican primary, but I did in the general election.
wise_man on January 22, 2009 at 2:04 PM
my bad…I thought they were frozen aliens from a UFO crash…
Rogue on January 22, 2009 at 1:58 PM
Nope, vampires who appear during the 30 Days of Night to feed on Alaskans, your state is dangerous.
Now if you could convince those vamps to feed on terrorists who escape from prison (escapes you facilitate), that would be the ticket.
Bishop on January 22, 2009 at 2:05 PM
I agree with you 100%, and if what’s his name wants me to apologize for that as well, he knows what the answer is.
wise_man on January 22, 2009 at 2:06 PM
What the hell are you talking about?
wise_man on January 22, 2009 at 2:06 PM
We held our noses and kept our gorges down and voted for McCain, wise_man, so can you give it a rest?!?
The man is crazy–he lost his mind in the Hanoi Hilton.
He doesn’t hold either Conservative or Republican views (which is why he lost…) and if he hadn’t put Sarah Palin on the ticket, who most certainly does have Conservative values and views, McVain would have been thrashed.
Al Queda is not a signatory of the Geneva Conventions and is, in fact, in flagrant violation of the rules of the Geneva Conventions, hence, they get no GC protections!
And no-one has been tortured at Gitmo: McCain’s vow to close it both as a candidate and now as a vocal Senator of the “Loyal Opposition” is one of the irritating, irrational and harmful views he holds that cause those of us who really love this country to turn purple with rage!
Jenfidel on January 22, 2009 at 2:06 PM
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