Hope restored: Obama takes oath of office again
posted at 9:00 pm on January 21, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Apparently Barack Obama must read the blogs, or listen to constitutional lawyers on television. The new President took some free advice and re-took the oath of office today, just to be on the safe side:
Chief Justice John Roberts administered the presidential oath of office to Barack Obama for a second time Wednesday just to be on the safe side.
The unusual step came after Roberts flubbed the 35-word constitutionally prescribed oath a bit on Tuesday, causing Obama to repeat the wording differently than as prescribed in the Constitution.
The chief justice and the president handled the matter privately in the Map Room on Wednesday night. White House counsel Greg Craig said Obama retook the oath for the sake of caution.
The prospect of President Joe Biden must have caused Obama a sleepless night in his new residence. And as it turns out, Obama wasn’t the first president to flub the oath on Inauguration Day. Calvin Coolidge and Chester Arthur both had do-overs after fumbling the first attempt, the AP notes. I’m pretty sure that Obama has to feel some relief at not making history with this.
Now we can rest easy, with the specter of President Biden … or heaven forfend, President Pelosi … put to rest. I’m feeling HopeandChangey already!
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More time than is warranted to appease a bunch of conspiracy theorists who’ve latched on to a 9/11 Truther’s latest theory. The president, whether Bush or Obama, can’t take time out to disprove every conspiracy theory that comes his way.
amerpundit on January 21, 2009 at 10:16 PM
That’s what is wrong with this country. Duly elected, confirmed by Congress, flubs a line at the ceremony and now needs a re-do? That’s pretty anal.
But don’t dare to ask to see the birth certificate, or you are a nutjob.
He didn’t need a re-do as far as I am concerned. But I would like a look at his top secret birth certificate.
Why are some parts of the Constitution up for interpretation and some parts are not? Must be a “living document” type of thing that I admit I don’t understand.
Hog Wild on January 21, 2009 at 10:17 PM
Well then He should just take about 2 seconds to tell an aide to release His birth certificate crap, as you call it, and save the country some internet bandwidth.
MB4 on January 21, 2009 at 10:18 PM
LOL…I hope so. That first one seemed like an eternity.
ddrintn on January 21, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Are we sure those kids are actually his?
Just asking.
Bishop on January 21, 2009 at 9:26 PM
So inappropiate….again – keep it classy…
AprilOrit on January 21, 2009 at 9:37 PM
Oh, ok, self-assigned resident gatekeeper.
How about you get yourself a sense of humor and then pound sand?
Bishop on January 21, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Was there a problem with the teleprompter?
“Wait, wait hold on a minute….wait everybody”
moxie_neanderthal on January 21, 2009 at 10:20 PM
Don’t forget if you question Global Warming” you are also a nutjob.
MB4 on January 21, 2009 at 10:21 PM
Good call. I was wondering if Obama would use the flub as a loop-hole to get out of important responsibilities in the future.
Grafted on January 21, 2009 at 10:23 PM
hmm, who are these Brithers and Nirthers you people speak of? they sound ominous…
Noneya on January 21, 2009 at 10:23 PM
Considering the man is President of the United States, I wouldn’t mind seeing all relevant documentation, as well as that which supposedly “proves” Obarfa’s experience and fitness for office.
I have to produce all sorts of docs to get my motorcycles tabs, enroll my kids in school, travel, hell my school now demands a background check…yes a background check form on file before I’m allowed to attend a first grade track meet.
Bishop on January 21, 2009 at 10:26 PM
Good gravy! Just what part of it would have taken Him all of about 2 seconds to say to an aide, “Have My birth certificate released, make it so.” don’t you follow?
MB4 on January 21, 2009 at 10:28 PM
Question?
Do you need to show a birth certificate to
get a passport?
canopfor on January 21, 2009 at 10:29 PM
I would like to congratulate Ed the non-lawyer for his brilliant take on the oath issue earlier, stating it was utterly pointless.
I guess it was so utterly pointless that the White House counsel, Obama (an actual lawyer himself who doesn’t merely play one on a blog), and the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States of America just decided to re-swear Mr. Obama in as President.
Nice work, Eddy. How embarrassing for you.
Just stay with politics and leave the law alone, mm-kay?
indythinker on January 21, 2009 at 10:29 PM
Birthers are the ones who want Obama’s birth certificate made public (also sometimes known as the people who believe Palin isn’t Trigg’s mother).
I have no idea who Nirthers are.
Esthier on January 21, 2009 at 10:29 PM
RHINO! The full-on GOP treatment would be to claim they’re McCain’s.
benny shakar on January 21, 2009 at 10:09 PM
No, the treatment would be that Obarfy’s kids belong to his Kenyan brother, or they’re Al Sharpton’s or something.
Bishop on January 21, 2009 at 10:30 PM
Bishop on January 21, 2009 at 10:26 PM
The holder of the most important office in the free world and we still know hardly anything about him. We knew everything about Bush’s life and what we didn’t know, Dan Rather tried to make up.
kingsjester on January 21, 2009 at 10:30 PM
Humor is the great thing, the saving thing. The minute it crops up, all our irritations and resentments slip away and a sunny spirit takes their place.
- Mark Twain
Mark must never have met April.
MB4 on January 21, 2009 at 10:31 PM
There are known knowns about The One: there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns about The One: we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns about The One, the ones we don’t know that we don’t know.
- “Donald Rumsfeld”
MB4 on January 21, 2009 at 10:35 PM
Only those parts that interfere with our transition inot a socialist state that the founders wrote the document to stop.
jukin on January 21, 2009 at 10:36 PM
…or they’re Al Sharpton’s or something.
Bishop on Jan 21,2009 at 10:30PM.
Bishop: Me thinks,Jesse Jackson has real world experience
on that one!
Didn’t he have a ‘love child’,a la the Silky
experience!
And paid off,said birther,or(Brither)from
his campaign funds,or sumpin like dat!:)
canopfor on January 21, 2009 at 10:36 PM
There will mostlikely be many more do-overs in the next 4 years… or he will wish he could have do-overs…
vulcannomad on January 21, 2009 at 10:37 PM
kingsjester on January 21, 2009 at 10:30 PM
I know and it is troubling. Obarfa didn’t get elected to head the local PTA, he’s POTUS for gawd’s sake.
After being told how smart and learned he is, someone asks to see his college transcripts and it’s “sorry, sealed.”
Medical records? One sentence on a sheet of paper: “Healthy.”
Official documents like a BC? “Umm, this is a distraction.”
Bishop on January 21, 2009 at 10:37 PM
Now how about we start looking at those sealed education records. Why did he seal his HIGH SCHOOL records? embarrassing D- in History?
allahallahoxenfree on January 21, 2009 at 10:38 PM
canopfor on January 21, 2009 at 10:36 PM
Ah yes, you have a point, Sharpton would be too busy eating to copulate anyway.
J. Jackson is the new suspected father.
Bishop on January 21, 2009 at 10:39 PM
Apparently only those of the peasant cast, like you and me.
MB4 on January 21, 2009 at 10:39 PM
So what was he until he took the oath again? The Presididn’t?
JohnTant on January 21, 2009 at 10:39 PM
I think the thing that has amazed me the most in this whole election cycle…
Is that the New York Times seems to be able get TOP SECRET documents to publish, seemingly at will… they’ve blown multiple Classified Secrets…
And yet… we can’t seem to get into Barrak’s College Transcripts…
I guess the CIA and NSA needs to go take security lessons from whatever College Secretary has those files… she must be one mean broad!
Romeo13 on January 21, 2009 at 10:42 PM
It is believed that The One was in some kind of limbo between Heavenly and Earthly form.
MB4 on January 21, 2009 at 10:45 PM
Romeo, I don’t think the magic O light is shining down upon you enough. we don’t talk about such things in polite circles. Its a distraction.
allahallahoxenfree on January 21, 2009 at 10:47 PM
Even I would never dare mess with her. She is now training my top intelligence agency heads.
PootyPoot on January 21, 2009 at 10:49 PM
That tears it. Free at last, free at last. Lowd Almighty I’m free at last. Nutjob # 1 right here. On 2 subjects.
Hog Wild on January 21, 2009 at 10:54 PM
I just got a passport last spring and yes I had to produce a birth certificate, and by produce I don’t mean with PhotoShop. A photocopy wasn’t good enough either.
imshocked on January 21, 2009 at 10:56 PM
Ahhh… but you see… I have my Tinfoil Hat right here! So I am safe from those Cosmic Obama Rays….
Romeo13 on January 21, 2009 at 10:58 PM
Stop worrying about the cosmic rays and start worrying about the Internal Security Force™
Cabelas was PACKED today, guns flying out the door.
Bishop on January 21, 2009 at 11:00 PM
There is a certain… freedom… that comes from the realization that everyone thinks you are a whack job anyway… so you may as well enjoy it.
Romeo13 on January 21, 2009 at 11:01 PM
LOL… I stocked up once I saw who the choices were this election…
McCain or Bambi… either way Law and Order was going to take a hit (Mccain and amnesty… Bambi, cause he’s Bambi).
Romeo13 on January 21, 2009 at 11:03 PM
Dude…he did. Give it up already. And please…spare me the conspiracy theories about it. I’m well aware of all the sordid, troofer details. It’s crap. As crappy as the “9/11 was an inside job” crap.
Tom Blogical on January 21, 2009 at 11:12 PM
Nirthers is a cutesy name for Birthers, similar to Troofers. Apparently, you either don’t read Little Green Footballs, or you missed it when they covered it there.
Tom Blogical on January 21, 2009 at 11:15 PM
I got a better idea – why don’t you go pound your own sand – if you can still find it.
Attacking someone’s child’s legitamacy is inappropriate even in jest and I am sure the owners of this site – parents and grandparents themselves – would agree with me.
I don’t think they would appreciate someone on some moonbat blog doing it to their most prized possessions – their children.
AprilOrit on January 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM
He said humor.
AprilOrit on January 21, 2009 at 11:19 PM
Noneya prefers Justices that fall asleep during trials like Darth Bader Ginsberg.
Speedwagon82 on January 21, 2009 at 11:25 PM
AprilOrit on January 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM
Man, you must be a real hoot at parties.
You spend all your time wishing the music was softer and lamenting the lack of antibiotic wipes so you don’t have to touch the cooler lid?
See, the great thing about my joke, or “jest” as you would say, is that it is a direct reflection of the stupidity of the Trig troofering; it mocks while still having a little fun which currently we are still allowed to do.
Just because you have stick up your ass and want to pretend HA is the modern equivalent of Masterpiece Theatre is your problem doesn’t mean the rest of us need to follow your lead.
Bishop on January 21, 2009 at 11:29 PM
Dude… if He has released His birth certificate, His actual birth certificate, then it is certainly news to me, and probably to Him as well. There is no “conspiracy theory” or “troofer details” being put forth by me. If you think you see them, then you are delusional… dude.
MB4 on January 21, 2009 at 11:30 PM
I know you’re reaching for an analogy, but which is really more “out there”: that Obama, whose father was from Kenya and who lived in Kenya in the very beginning of his life, might not have a valid birth certificate, or that Trig was actually Sarah’s grandson?
I predict that Obama is hiding a lot of things that would ordinarily be dismissed as “conspiracy theories.” Which should, by all rights, lead to the complete discrediting of factcheck.org.
The facts will come out, as they always do.
ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on January 21, 2009 at 11:31 PM
Names like that sound like uncommon nonsense to me. Are you sure that the Little Green Footballs didn’t go down a rabbit hole?
Cheshire Cat on January 21, 2009 at 11:35 PM
Can we do over the Democrat nomination process too? Somehow I doubt Barry would have gotten all the support he did if he promised to keep Bush’s Defense Secretary.
Speedwagon82 on January 21, 2009 at 11:35 PM
Yes he did. And now we have even more evidence to believe that he never met you.
MB4 on January 21, 2009 at 11:38 PM
Dude… if He has released His birth certificate, His actual birth certificate, then it is certainly news to me, and probably to Him as well. There is no “conspiracy theory” or “troofer details” being put forth by me. If you think you see them, then you are delusional… dude.
MB4 on January 21, 2009 at 11:30 PM
Ooooohhh…sarcasm. I recognize it!
If it’s good enough for Charles Johnson (you know–LGF DUDE) that The One™ released his real birth certificate, who broke the Rathergate story, then it’s good enough for me. No reason to get testy about it. DUDE. I was trying to disagree friendly-like. I guess that’s not the way you roll, is it?
Here. Read up. Want more background? Here. Enjoy.
Now after reading all that, and you still aren’t convinced…fine. We’ll agree to disagree. There won’t be any way of convincing you anyhow.
And technically, I didn’t accuse you of putting forth any conspiracy theories, I asked you to spare me of them.
One more time. I can’t stand The One™ either. But the birth certificate crap is crap.
Tom Blogical on January 21, 2009 at 11:54 PM
Cute.
Talk about uncommon nonsense, I can’t tell if you think I made the name up and you’re slamming me, or if you’re slamming LGF, or all the above. Anyway, this is where I got the name from. You have heard of the blog before……..right?
Funny that you used the term “rabbit hole”, because that’s how Johnson described chasing the birth certificate story. Right down a rabbit hole.
Tom Blogical on January 22, 2009 at 12:10 AM
LOL… I see… LGF Dude is the arbiter of all that is legal and correct?
This entire subject has been covered extensivly by some of us on this blog…
and some of us did our own research, did not take others words for it.
What a website said that Obama’s campaign released was a Certification of Live Birth. A document which is created from computer records. The info recorded within that database, by Hawaii law, can be altered, during adoption proceedings, or even by the principals request.
That document would not be used in any court of law, to proove where he was born, or whom his parents were, because it is not a source document, due to the fact it can be changed.
As we KNOW that Obama used Barry Soetoro as a name for at least part of his life, that opens up the whole adoption question… which is why some of us would like to see the unmodified source document… which you CAN get from Hawaii, just by asking (you do have to ask for THAT doc, vice the Certification however).
But heck, I can’t know what I’m talking about… because I just worked on a project for DHS dealing with identification standards for first responders, and I don’t run a blog…
Romeo13 on January 22, 2009 at 12:10 AM
But I did sleep at a Holiday Inn awhile back…
Romeo13 on January 22, 2009 at 12:13 AM
Hmmm, apparently the Palin family has skipped you mind. Conservatives are never going to get anywhere by being above it all when it comes to taking on the liberals. If you are not willing to go all out to win a conflict, raise the white flag now. Oh wait, seems our Republican legislators are already doing it for us, and this is what our military personnel are risking their lives for.
At least the comments on this site for the most part are tinged in humor whereas the lefty sites are vile and vicious.
Wasn’t he dating her for a while?
N4646W on January 22, 2009 at 12:15 AM
Romeo13 on January 22, 2009 at 12:10 AM
Then there is the whole Indonesian citizen question, but that’s been buried so far underground it’s scraping the earth’s nickel core.
Bishop on January 22, 2009 at 12:22 AM
Inside baseball: Roberts as an Appellate attorney was known for making oral arguments without any notes. His memory was famous because he could cite specific citations and language straight from memory.
This time, I guess he attempted to do it with the Oath, but his nerves got to him more than Obama.
That’s what happened. That’s the story.
Dadvocate on January 22, 2009 at 12:22 AM
Have you read the Constitution?
It does not say that someone else can say these words for the President, and that he merely needs to indicate his assent. The Oath is phrased in the first person. It is the only thing in the Constitution that uses quote marks. To me, that means that it really is that important that the exact formula be used, all 35 words (although the fourth word has two options) in this exact order, for a reason.
The man who holds the most power under that Constitution is specifically instructed to speak these words, because it is the basis of his authority as Commander in Chief, Chief Magistrate, etc. Remember that the Framers had been born in a monarchy, where everyone is a subject of a king or queen, who rules by Divine Right. “L’etat, cest moi.”, said Louis XIV. Under our system, the President, as powerful as he is, is subordinate to the ultimate authority of the Constitution.
Now, how can you take an oath to uphold the Constitution, which says the oath has to be 35 words in a particular order, in quotes, and not say those 35 words in that order? If you can’t be bothered to say 35 words in the right order, why should we trust you to command the most powerful military in the world?
The Monster on January 22, 2009 at 12:28 AM
Oh. I said all that? Show me. Oh wait….more sarcasm, right?
Fine. Believe what you want to believe. It’s irrelevant though, because all that matters is the Supreme Court punted on it because they weren’t going to invalidate an election over it. It’s not going anywhere. Ever.
Tell you what, though. Once you produce the damning evidence, I’ll gladly, yes gladly eat crow because it’ll be the story of the century.
Tom Blogical on January 22, 2009 at 12:31 AM
LOL! Yeah, I did too. :-)
Tom Blogical on January 22, 2009 at 12:33 AM
Great comment.
Tom Blogical on January 22, 2009 at 12:38 AM
Ooooohhh… Uno problemo. That was not sarcasm.
I am not a sheeple. You should not be one either. Now repeat after me, “I am not a sheeple”, and say it like you mean it.
I don’t do “testy”. You do seem rather fond of it however.
All I have ever said is that He should have just given the state of Hawaii permission to release it, and the $12.50? (not release some “facsimile”, nor some “Certificate of live birth”). I have made no claims as to what it looks like as I have never seen it as He did not authorized the state of Hawaii to release it and that is rather odd.
Well, technically, that is rather disingenuous odd “logic” on your part.
Actually, on a strictly “personal” level, He seems rather likable to me.
The birth certificate crap is only crap because He, He, He didn’t give the state of Hawaii permission to release it, $12.50? (not release some “facsimile”, nor some “Certificate of live birth”).
MB4 on January 22, 2009 at 12:40 AM
Everything has a morale if only you can find it.
Cheshire Cat on January 22, 2009 at 12:45 AM
It may be in Pelucidar. I’ll look for it the next time I am there.
Cheshire Cat on January 22, 2009 at 12:56 AM
What we lefties hope for every night? That the fringe right will continue to tie up the reasonable right over this Birther nonsense for the next 4 years and have bupkis to show for it. Keep going MB4, someone help him in the fight. These disloyal conservatives need to be shown the true heart of the movement!
DeathToMediaHacks on January 22, 2009 at 1:00 AM
Really? What do you call “that”, if not sarcasm? I guess it doesn’t matter, because I got the point. DUDE.
I am not sheeple. (Yes, I mean it.) Now it’s your turn for believing this birth certificate “story” will go anywhere. Or that the Supreme Court will actually hear it.
Uh-huh. I’ll just ignore the “…dude” and the “I am not sheeple” stuff then. And yeah, I’m fond of giving back what I get. So?
Super. I agree with you that it’s rather odd. Now if you could only get the Supreme Court to do so. Oops! Dang it.
Show me the details of the conspiracy theories you mentioned at that time. (You didn’t.) You spared me of them. (Thankfully. Until now.) Describe to me how that is “disingenuous odd ‘logic’” on my part? No…on second thought, please spare me that odd (but probably not disingenuous) logic.
Again, I agree. More specifically, I can’t stand his policies and politics. And I know I can drive on him and out-rebound him, but I haven’t seen his jump shot yet so I’m not sure how I’d D-up on him.
Well, hot damn! We agree that it’s crap!
And with that…I’m going to bed. We are not going to unearth the story of the century on Hot Air tonight/this morning.
Good night. I sincerely hope the morning finds you well.
Tom Blogical on January 22, 2009 at 1:05 AM
I must say that this gets curiouser and curiouser as it sounds like a Certification of Live Birth would be to an actual Birth Certificate as a toy sheriff’s badge from a crackerjack box would be to an actual sheriff’s badge.
Cheshire Cat on January 22, 2009 at 1:08 AM
Once again…cute…but it would’ve been even better if you’d actually said, moral :-)
Good night. And please…turn down the lights on that smile of yours, Cheshire. I’m trying to get some sleep.
Tom Blogical on January 22, 2009 at 1:10 AM
I never said nor implied that it would go anywhere, nor that the Supreme Court would hear it. I made no comments as to that at all, so why do you just make things up?
Pardon me for not taking the time to respond to your other “points” as I have only time right now to respond to the most patently egregious one and this is getting tiresome. Why don’t you read what Romeo13 said as it pretty well sums it up for you and all.
MB4 on January 22, 2009 at 1:18 AM
Do you know something that he doesn’t, Mr. Frowney?
Cheshire Cat on January 22, 2009 at 1:23 AM
First JFK, Lincoln, FDR, now Coolidge and Arthur too. By the end of his term, Obama would be able to compare himself to each and every previous president.
Phoenician on January 22, 2009 at 1:36 AM
So much for sleeping. The boy woke up wanting a drink of water. Ugh.
You’re right. I assumed that, probably from having multiple conversations at once, which is no excuse. I stand corrected and apologize.
Yeah, I already read it. Thanks.
That’s certainly an understatement. Goodnight. And again, I hope the morning finds you well.
Tom Blogical on January 22, 2009 at 1:37 AM
I wished MB4 well. Seriously. Let’s just leave it at that, shall we?
Tom Blogical on January 22, 2009 at 1:42 AM
Like Bill O’Reilly says – using bad behavior to justify prior bad behavior never works.
And regarding your last question – that was your mother with Samuel Clemens, not me.
AprilOrit on January 22, 2009 at 2:18 AM
Unless what? Unless you didn’t want to bother – on principle – answering asinine statements?
I would have told y’all to pound sand as well – and I’m hardly an Obama fan. “Presumption of innocence” is a phrase we should all recall and cherish.
And for those who say, “uh, uh, I need to show a [your choice of identification here] to get a job” my response is, I think that’s a stupid law as well.
Let’s stick to our genuine policy differences and cut the ODS crap.
psrch on January 22, 2009 at 3:09 AM
Well, well. Wasn’t Hot Air just mocking this gaffe and excusing it as no big deal? It didn’t matter if Token was sworn in or properly not – just as it didn’t matter if he is a natural born citizen or not according to Hot Air. Instead of ‘birfers’ we had ‘swearers’
Gee….guess what? The law apparently does matter to some out there.
The ‘swearers’ were right. Just as the ‘birfers’ are.
I don’t know for sure if Barack Hussein was born in the US or Kenya, if he was legally adopted by Lolo, or traveled to Pakistan under a passport of a foreign nation as an adult – but the questions are legitimate questions to ask.
Evidence to date shows Token does not meet the natural born definition by most pre-Token standards if any one of several likely scenarios existed (born in Kenya, Indonesian citizen, non-US passport as an adult).
The COLB released could be obtained by a foreign born if his birth was registered in Hawaii within a year. The newspaper clipping means little. It is not official documentation. There is no info there other than a statement of a birth.
Hot Air, don’t close the door on questions you know you don’t have the answers to.
Mr Purple on January 22, 2009 at 4:01 AM
A do-over.
There is no do-over when the next terrorist attack comes.
madmonkphotog on January 22, 2009 at 4:28 AM
I know somebody needs to take Woolfe Blitzed of CNN and knock some sense into him. All I heard was, “its noon, thats it, its noon, he’s President, yep , with or without the oath he’s the President as of noon according to the Constitution,”. Well, hey butthead, he is to take the oath at high noon and didn’t, but then tried to say other than what the Justice was saying, in which the Justice was saying it backwards, then the flub ensued. Thats how I heard it. Bamma was trying to say the right thing but my point is the liberals want this guy in so damn bad they are willing to skip the oath! “To protect and defend the Constitution”…eh who needs that huh? pffft.
johnnyU on January 22, 2009 at 4:32 AM
Some of you are absolutely obsessed about the birth certificate thing. At worst his mother, an American citizen, didn’t fill out the appropriate paperwork.
The SC doesn’t see it as an issue so what is the beef?
I’m sure Obama would love to see the GOP infected with its own brand of trutherism instead of objectively assessing his policies and their impacts.
Bradky on January 22, 2009 at 5:54 AM
I don’t know if someone has already mentioned this, but Mr. Obama may not be releasing the birth certificate out of respect for his mom. She may, for reasons of her own, left the father off the original document. Different times and different attitudes. I don’t think other public officials would go along with this if there was a question of legality.
Cindy Munford on January 22, 2009 at 6:21 AM
I have suffered for being a birther and it is exquisite.
I have been told that WE will be cast down (or some direction) when the hopeychangey thingey happens.
IlikedAUH2O on January 22, 2009 at 7:21 AM
The One is hiding something on the birth certificate thing. His posture on his records is ABSURD.
IlikedAUH2O on January 22, 2009 at 7:23 AM
The birfirs aren’t right unless they could prove that Stanley Obama (his mother) wasn’t a US citizen at the time of his birth, anything else are just non starters. If as some claimed Obama Sr isn’t the father but Frank Marshall is, well they both are US citizens, that doubly cements Obama’s citizenry/natural born status. If you want to go running around like ghey demented Andy Sullivan for the next four years, well that’s your issue. Most others have bigger fish to fry.
Such as closing of the CIA black sites which were created by former Pres. Clinton. It appears Pres Obama is rapidly descending into Sept 10 mental state. Prayers for him and the country are urgently needed cause he knows not what he’s doing but is arrogant enough to believe he does know and his self righteousness and messianism dwarfs even that of Djimmah Carter (and the false claims of such by libtards against W.)
eaglewingz08 on January 22, 2009 at 7:25 AM
“Presumption of innocence” is a phrase we should all recall and cherish.
What the hell are you talking about? Nobody is being tried in a court of law. Are you implying that if a terrorist walks up to a customs checkpoint, he should refuse on the principle of “presumption of innocence”?
That’s wicked silly.
Someone applying for the biggest job in the world need not have his credentials checked? Why?
And for those who say, “uh, uh, I need to show a [your choice of identification here] to get a job” my response is, I think that’s a stupid law as well.
Well, that just speaks for itself. I need not add more.
hillbillyjim on January 22, 2009 at 7:41 AM
OK – maybe his birth certificate is being with held to protect his mother. So why are all his college records locked up? Was he adopted by Lolo Soetoro and become an Indoenesian citizen? Who issued the passport that he used to travel to Pakistan as an adult in the early 80′s? If he got a passport from Indonesia as an adult then to me that is a reaffirmation of his Indonesian citizenship. He would have sworn allegiance to a foreign country as an adult.
To me these questions matter. The logical answers to many of them also would disqualify him from serving as President.
With all his talk of ‘transparency’ I would simply like to see an honest effort made by the media to get all these documents released and get these questions answered. Why does the right let him skate on the secrecy of his past amidst his promises of transparency.
He has already lied to us about Wright, Ayers, Rezko, his abortion record and every other issue that he was challenged on. We know he lies and is secretive about his past – so let’s all give him a pass. WTF?
The Senate took the time to rule on John McCain’s eligibility. He produced his birth certificate and medical records and it was ruled he was eligible. Token hasn’t had to face any scrutiny.
There is little to no process in place to verify a candidates eligibility. My state’s reply was it was up to the nominating party to validate their candidate. Courts have ruled plaintiff’s do not have standing to challenge a nominee’s eligibility because they would not be personally damaged.
At this late point I am sure Obama has acquired enough power and the system is corrupt enough that he could produce a passable fake of a legit birth certificate.
The holes that do exist in the process are scary – and with the increased popularity of candidates like Obama and Jindal whose lineage is not confined to ‘old white money’ it would be wise to re-evaluate our verification process.
Mr Purple on January 22, 2009 at 7:42 AM
s/b “nobody is being tried for a crime in a court of law…
hillbillyjim on January 22, 2009 at 7:44 AM
amerpundit on January 21, 2009 at 10:16 PM
If only the Anchorage Daily News would think so too.
Phoenician on January 22, 2009 at 8:09 AM
That is not true at all.
Let’s say he was born here. We’ll put the issue of the his birth in the US aside completely.
His mother marries Lolo Soetoro and moves to Indonesia. Obama took Soetoro’s name apparently. He is registered as an Indonesian citizen in school records there. If Obama was adopted by Lolo (as it seems is the case since he took his name) then he became and Indonesian citizen.
At that point in time Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship. Obama would have had to revoke his US citizenship. When he moved back to the US he could re-apply for citizenship – but he would now be considered a ‘naturalized citizen’ and not a ‘natural born citizen’.
His trip to Pakistan was during a time when US citizens were restricted from travel there. He would have needed special permission from the US to travel there. If he traveled to Pakistan on a foreign passport then I would like to know which foreign country he swore allegiance to as an adult.
That isn’t ‘truther’ stuff. Truthers have bizarre conspiracy theories that fly in the face of the facts.
Not asking these questions makes you ostriches if you guys want to get into the whole name calling thing. You may not be Obamabots – but you are willing ostriches.
As sad as the left’s actions were over the past 8 years I will admit they were effective. The right’s refusal to fight back is the reason they’ve been getting it handed to them these past elections.
We don’t challenge the left enough. We’re too polite. We don’t protest, scream and do generally obnoxious things that get airtime and sway opinions.
Mr Purple on January 22, 2009 at 8:14 AM
Obama’s mother has been dead for many years. It’s highly unlikely that she would be hurt or offended by anything Obama does now.
AZCoyote on January 22, 2009 at 8:18 AM
The second time Obama did it without a Bible….
hmmmmm…
albill on January 22, 2009 at 8:27 AM
Read Amendment XX, it states his duties begin at noon, that is the transfer of power, the oath became a formality when the XX Amendment was ratified.
Glad he took the oath, we need him to get on with business, so we can really find out how incompetent he is…
right2bright on January 22, 2009 at 8:28 AM
Well if it is up to the party are they going to invalidate their best candidate? The guy they are pumping ahead of Hillary?
He hasn’t produced the document, there has been no hint that he was screened on any of this.
The man would not pass a security clearance background check, he doesn’t have to prove anything about his eligibility amidst a number of questions and he is our President.
I don’t buy all the ‘COLB is a forgery’ talk some sites get into or worry whether Stanley Ann Dunham was the ’14 year old named Ann’ Frank Davis wrote about having a threesome with. That is all speculation.
There are still 3 big questions that remain unanswered amid all the drooling praise he has received for accomplishing nothing except a big con of America.
Mr Purple on January 22, 2009 at 8:41 AM
Well, I obviously did not remember a significant detail about the birth certificate story, which was that I thought Obama had released his legal one. So mea culpa. In fact, what I had read was that the state of Hawaii Dept. of Health (yeah…DOH…ironic) released a statement on 10/31/08 which verified the legitimacy of the document. This is the item that I didn’t remember correctly, so my apologies for that. A valuable lesson for me, as I won’t just trust my memory anymore.
Now, I know the state of Hawaii verification isn’t going to be good enough for some, because it’s still something he shouldn’t have a problem releasing. Whatever, that’s their prerogative.
IMHO, there are two possibilities you can choose to believe. He either has a real birth certificate, or he doesn’t. Only the Obama camp knows for sure. Why would he not release this information? Good question. Quite honestly, it’s a lot easier for me to believe that he’s keeping it in his back pocket in the hope™ that just the right political enemy presses him on it, rather than believing in a conspiracy theory that would now involve the state of Hawaii. It sure has wasted a lot of resources and time for those pursuing it to the Supreme Court. Sure, anything is possible, but I’ll choose the path of least resistance and take the “Honeypot” explanation until proven wrong, thanks.
Once again, if I’m proven wrong, I’ll gladly eat crow because it’ll be the story of the century if he truly doesn’t have a legitimate birth certificate.
Have a good one, all.
Tom Blogical on January 22, 2009 at 8:41 AM
I just went to the mailbox…no check from Obama yet, maybe it will come tomorrow.
right2bright on January 22, 2009 at 9:15 AM
There is debate about what that statement actually means. They do not state ‘we have a valid birth certificate verifying his birth at a Hawaiian hospital’.
A child could have been born abroad by a single US parent and brought to Hawaii and have the birth registered within the first year. In that case there would be no hospital listed, no attending Dr, etc. If that person then requested a COLB it would look exactly like the document posted on the internet.
Hawaii’s statement did little to settle the controversy. I don’t believe Hawaiian officials would be the ones to validate the birth certificate in any case.
Therefore the process remains unclear and the issue shouldn’t be ignored as it is. This is a pretty important issue. If he was not a natural born citizen then every law he signs is constitutionally invalid.
I just would like to see the man held to the transparency he has promised. There are a growing number of court cases and the issue isn’t going away.
The birth certificate is just one of the questions he needs to answer. I’m actually more concerned with the Indonesian citizenship and foreign passport issue since it seems likely.
We should also be able to see his college records. There are allegations he may have received aid as a foreign student. I’d be more interested in seeing if his coursework consisted of ‘history of socialism’ or ‘muslim studies’ classes.
This should be a multi-pronged attack. Dude is trashing Bush on the WH website but nobody can ask him legitimate questions about his past and his eligibility?
Mr Purple on January 22, 2009 at 9:19 AM
I don’t believe Hawaiian officials would be the ones to validate the birth certificate in any case.
Validate his eligibility is what I meant. They don’t certify the candidate or determine eligibility for the Presidency.
Mr Purple on January 22, 2009 at 9:22 AM
but he didn’t use a bible, which means he really is a muslin and hes going to turn the white house into a pyramid.
lolwut on January 22, 2009 at 9:38 AM
The biggest problem as I see it with the whole COLB is that it doesn’t include so many of the things that I’m sure most of us are accustomed to having seen on our own birth certificates such as the Doctor’s name and Hospital information. I think that is what leads so many to speculate that there is malfeasance on Obama’s part. I dug up my birth certificate that I used to enter the US Army and lo and behold it was actually a COLB. I never knew 1. that there was a difference and that it mattered. 2. that it could be altered.
So, the big question that most of the “Birthers” as you “Dismissers” like to call it is why the secrecy? It’s mandated in the Constitution for certain standards to be met to become the POTUS. So questioning the authenticity of the document is pertinent. This “little distraction” didn’t have to be a distraction at all. Rather than paying a few million dollars to argue whether a plaintiff has standing or not, it would have been far more economically responsible for Obama to simply authorize the Hawai’i DOH to show the actual vaulted copy. Doing otherwise has fed the fire. These are how CTs get started, covering up the truth whether it is necessary or not.
I never would have cared about any of this had it not been treated as if it was some great national secret. It’s a friggin piece of paper for crying out loud. I’m not in the camp that is all up in arms over the Indonesia and Pakistan stuff. What his parents did when he was a child should not effect him. He did not choose to become an Indonesian cititzen, he was 7! So, if he was actually born in a Honolulu hospital, I’d say that his citizenship is not hurt by that. The Pakistan thing sounds like he probably had permission from the Government or went without permission and no one caught him. Not hard to believe that somenone got into a country without proper documentation. Happens here all the time.
rmel80 on January 22, 2009 at 9:54 AM
Ummmm…… Where is the Bible?
ericire12 on January 22, 2009 at 9:54 AM
Which is a bigger mistake than the first time.
Maxx on January 22, 2009 at 9:56 AM
As I indicated in my last comment, I knew that the state of Hawaii’s opinion wouldn’t be good enough for some. That’s your prerogative. You can believe whatever you want.
Nobody is saying it isn’t important. It is. However, he’s already been elected and has already taken the oath of office. Realistically speaking, even if there isn’t a b.c., you’re talking about constitutional crisis to the nth degree. The time to be pursuing this issue with any hope of it seeing a different conclusion is long gone.
If you read the link I’ve provided, you’ll see that there were a few state courts that refused to hear the case, and we all know the Supreme Court won’t hear it, so there really doesn’t seem to be any more legal avenues to pursue.
If you honestly believe he’s hiding something, I guess you could hope that someone with serious thrill issues, or with absolutely nothing to lose, will leak it with indisputable evidence. Good luck with that.
Personally, I’m done wasting time commenting on this. No offense intended, but it’s a dead end to this crap, IMHO.
Tom Blogical on January 22, 2009 at 9:56 AM
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