Oil drops below $34 per barrel as glut continues

posted at 9:45 am on January 20, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The price of oil continued declining today as investors bet on a long recession.  Despite OPEC’s plans to scale back production, oil dropped below $34 per barrel in light of a glut on the market and no increase in demand in the immediate future.  That will help the US ease its economic woes, but bodes ill for the global economy (via Instapundit):

Oil prices fell below $34 a barrel Tuesday on the continued gloomy outlook for global energy demand and as traders sold the expiring benchmark contract due to a lack of space at a key U.S. storage facility.

By midday in Europe, light, sweet crude for February delivery was down $3.14 to $33.37 a barrel in electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

The February contract expires Tuesday. Its last official settlement was $36.51 on Friday, as U.S. markets were closed Monday due to Martin Luther King Jr. Day. Nevertheless, electronic trading continued during the holiday and the February contract fell $1.96 to $34.55.

The February contract has fallen about a third in two weeks, in part because burgeoning supplies in Cushing, Oklahoma, the delivery point for the Nymex contract, have left investors with little space to store crude, forcing them to sell.

They literally have no place left to put the oil.  It’s almost a fire sale, as production has far outstripped demand.  Owners have begun to use tankers to keep oil offshore while they try to find storage for the commodity, which increases the cost and the pressure to sell.

The oil market has almost crashed in the last few months.  It has lost 80% of its value, far outstripping the losses on Wall Street.  While the peak was overvalued, the astonishing drop in prices will eventually threaten investment in future production as capital gets destroyed in the collapse.  Low prices will especially threaten American production, which is costlier than foreign imports.  In order to make American production viable, prices need to be considerably higher than they are at the moment — and that will threaten the Drill Here, Drill Now policies that Republicans championed over the summer.

On the other hand, as we’ve noted before, low prices help contain some very nasty players on the international scene.  Hugo Chavez and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad no longer have all that excess cash with which to fund terrorists and oppress their own people.  Russia has fewer resources for military adventurism in the Caucasus.  The collapse in oil could eventually bring a collapse in a few regimes, and that may well be worth the costs.

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If crude is still dropping, then how come gas prices have risen to over $2.00/ gallon in Chicago. Methinks that there is some cold weather gouging going on.

Illinidiva on January 20, 2009 at 9:47 AM

So why are gasoline prices creeping up?

Mr. Joe on January 20, 2009 at 9:47 AM

Sounds like them damn Speculators are at it again!

Mr. Joe on January 20, 2009 at 9:48 AM

The Messiah hath laid his hand upon the land masses and such bounty flow forth… Thus it is written, thus it shall be…

Happy Obamanation Day ???

Happy Kwanzaa ???

Happy Obamageddon America ???

Man, nothing sounds right…

Mark Garnett on January 20, 2009 at 9:48 AM

I predicted $29 in November, we’ll see.

Vashta.Nerada on January 20, 2009 at 9:49 AM

I’d like to thank President Bush for lowering gas prices on his way out.

perroviejo on January 20, 2009 at 9:50 AM

So why are gasoline prices creeping up?

Mr. Joe on January 20, 2009 at 9:47 AM

Our prices just went up 10 cents/gal in one day. Oil going down, gas going up. How about an investigation Mr. Waxman?

fogw on January 20, 2009 at 9:52 AM

While the peak was overvalued, the astonishing drop in prices will eventually threaten investment in future production as capital gets destroyed in the collapse.

That has already happened. Many E&P firms have cut 2009 projects by 20-30%. For the US drilling market, the more important item is natural gas, which is down to $4.71 mmbtu.

Vashta.Nerada on January 20, 2009 at 9:55 AM

Maybe gas prices will start dropping again now. If they don’t, there does need to be questions raised.

kingsjester on January 20, 2009 at 9:55 AM

Lets hope Obama is smart enough to know, that if he turns America into france(Socialism), that not just the USA but the world will see an “End of Prosperity”. All of these Socialist countries are propped up by the USA, if we aren’t a place to Invest money there will be no real place for Investors to send money to create Economic Growth with anymore.

Africa will be hardest hit by the way. which would be the irony of it all.

jp on January 20, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Right before they leave, Bush pardons the Border Patrol guys and Cheney welds the Secret Oil Price Control Lever© in the down position.

Thank you gentlemen.

Bishop on January 20, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Gas prices going up??

Could be that the gas companies are switching over to start producing the 22-24 Government Mandated Summer Blends.

PappaMac on January 20, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Where are all the Liberals blaming the Speculators? if they bid the price up, they must’ve also bid the price down?

jp on January 20, 2009 at 9:57 AM

Low oil price is the only good thing on the economic front as a stimulus , but bad as an indicator .
To drill now and drill here isn’t that bad to create some believe in a long term low/reasonable energy price.
So don’t count the drilling out, it’s about long term national security and economic stability. Palin would tell you that..

the_nile on January 20, 2009 at 9:57 AM

Where is the Oil Company Stimulus Package. Surely they are enough money by now.

PappaMac on January 20, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Where is the Oil Company Stimulus Package. Surely they are loosing enough money by now.

PappaMac on January 20, 2009 at 10:01 AM

Gas prices going up?
With the cold weather, some crude refining is being diverted away from gasoline towards heating oil.

ICBM on January 20, 2009 at 10:02 AM

Nope, the oil folks see a deeper threat to long term oil… called the Global Warming agenda.

Even with all the evidence saying its a crock, the UN and the new US President are firmly in the Green pocket of the enviro whackos.

Long term money is leaving the market, because they don’t know how far the Government will go on meddling in the markets.

Just as US Gov interventionism has destroyed the US Stock Market (IMO) by changing the rules and picking winners and losers, big money will not invest in the oil futures market because it is it will soon be controlled by US Government fiat, not market forces.

Romeo13 on January 20, 2009 at 10:03 AM

If the gas prices are anything like in Cali, they are putting “fees” on it to raise money for the state.

Right around $2 is okay…

Mazztek on January 20, 2009 at 10:04 AM

I predicted $29 in November, we’ll see.

Vashta.Nerada on January 20, 2009 at 9:49 AM

Good call. I honestly didn’t think it would go lower than $70/bbl…$60 at the least.

Good thinkg the US isn’t a major oil exporter, huh? It’s a buyers market.

On another note…yeah, gas prices haven’t been dropping lately, and my last fuel oil delivery is up from last month. I’m glad I didn’t tie-in to a fixed price this past Summer (I’d be screwed if I did) but why would the price go up when oil bbls have come down huge in price?

JetBoy on January 20, 2009 at 10:06 AM

In order to make American production viable, prices need to be considerably higher than they are at the moment — and that will threaten the Drill Here, Drill Now policies that Republicans championed over the summer.

On the other hand, as we’ve noted before, low prices help contain some very nasty players on the international scene.

Ed, I don’t understand you at all. But this is the problem with having a government ‘elected’. People are just plain dumb and schizophrenic.

What are you trying to say here Ed? Anything at all? Reading this post was an absolute waste of time. This summer you were lamenting that oil was too high and we needed to ‘drill now’. Now you are saying that oil is too low – when it is STILL WAY TOO HIGH based on fundamentals.

The problem is that when the electorate changes its mind like you do with the wind, the country drifts aimlessly.

CHEAP OIL IS GOOD FOR AMERICA. It isn’t good for the oil companies, but they are publicly traded companies and you don’t have to suffer if you don’t own the companies.

But imagine you are formulating policy Ed. . . this summer you were inacting an act of congress to drill here and now. Within 6 months you are repealing the legislation you furiously demanded.

THIS is a perfect example of why people should not be allowed to vote. Even the ‘smart’ people don’t know what they should vote for.

I just don’t understand where you get your ‘economic bonafides’ Ed. And knowing that you don’t know economics at all, I don’t understand why you keep posting about it. But I wondered why you kept posting about Pakistan when you were 100% wrong about that too.

Anyway, I suppose many people in here think you contribute something substantial, and your boss likes you. . . but these types of posts illustrate why ‘democracy’ isn’t a good form of government – people don’t know what they want so allowing them to vote for what they want creates a rudderless nation.

ThackerAgency on January 20, 2009 at 10:07 AM

Oh no! How can we incentivize people to buy smaller cars if gas is inexpensive??!!?

/sarc

cs89 on January 20, 2009 at 10:07 AM

The US should still drill more. This price won’t last forever. That is why America got caught with it’s pants down.

izoneguy on January 20, 2009 at 10:07 AM

This is a great time for our Conservative Standard Bearers[tm] at National Review Online to lobby for huge gasoline tax increases!

Kensington on January 20, 2009 at 10:07 AM

Just had a thought…

Will the big oil companies be next in line for a government bailout?

JetBoy on January 20, 2009 at 10:10 AM

I blame George W. Bush. He’s making economic warfare on Iran, Russia and Venezuela.

rbj on January 20, 2009 at 10:13 AM

If crude is still dropping, then how come gas prices have risen to over $2.00/ gallon in Chicago. Methinks that there is some cold weather gouging going on.

Illinidiva on January 20, 2009 at 9:47 AM

I agree with you on the gouging. I defended the oil companies this past summer many times on this blog, because the price of crude was insanely high.

The only thing I can think of that would cause prices to act like this is tax increase or gouging.

I haven’t heard anything about a tax increase, so I assume it’s gouging. Let’s start putting the fire to that oil CEO ass again. Now we have a reason.

leetpriest on January 20, 2009 at 10:13 AM

but why would the price go up when oil bbls have come down huge in price?

JetBoy on January 20, 2009 at 10:06 AM

There’s a refinery lag between crude coming in and fuels going out. Also, there are supply issues, where refineries convert back and forth between heating oil, diesel and gasoline which can affect the pump price. When they make the switches, entire refineries shut down for 2-3 days, and there are small bottlenecks which affect supply.

Vashta.Nerada on January 20, 2009 at 10:16 AM

Yet in coastal South Carolina, I’ve watched gas prices creep from $1.50/gal to $1.70/gal since December. Free market, my @ss.

LastRick on January 20, 2009 at 10:18 AM

The lowest gas price in my area is $1.69/gallon.

kiakjones on January 20, 2009 at 10:18 AM

‘democracy’ isn’t a good form of government ThackerAgency on January 20, 2009 at 10:07 AM

That’s why the USofA is not a democracy, doofus.

davidk on January 20, 2009 at 10:21 AM

And those of you fussing about the gas prices sound like a bunch of leftards who don’t realize that many different contigencies effect prices. “Waaa! We need a government investigation!”

davidk on January 20, 2009 at 10:23 AM

CHEAP OIL IS GOOD FOR AMERICA. It isn’t good for the oil companies, but they are publicly traded companies and you don’t have to suffer if you don’t own the companies.

ThackerAgency on January 20, 2009 at 10:07 AM

Cheap oil is not necessarily good for America, if you want domestic employment in the industry, and don’t forget that when you employ drillers you also get natural gas which heats your home or provides electricity.

To the majors, they make around 8% margin, more or less irrelevant to the pump price. The losers in that game are the gas station owners, who get less customers to buy their cokes and cigarettes, which is where their profit is. The oil market is rigged, but it is rigged by the NOCs like Saudi and Russia, to the best of their limited ability. Think about the incredible market, and how hard it is to influence. You have a couple of hundred large fields in the world, plus thousands of tiny ones. Extract the oil, transport it to refineries to create diesel, heating oil, kerosine, plastic, fertilizer, and more than 50 different grades of gasoline for the US alone, then get the proper grades at the proper time to thousands of fueling stations in a just-in-time delivery system. We should be awed by the system, not critical of it.

Vashta.Nerada on January 20, 2009 at 10:27 AM

Wow between this and the Black Death the terrorist states are having a rough 2009.

Tommy_G on January 20, 2009 at 10:27 AM

Yet in coastal South Carolina, I’ve watched gas prices creep from $1.50/gal to $1.70/gal since December. Free market, my @ss.

LastRick on January 20, 2009 at 10:18 AM

What’s that–about two-sixty a fill-up? Give me a break.

I’ve watched gas prices plunge from 3.989 to 1.499 saving over thirty bucks a fill-up. Gee-whiz.

davidk on January 20, 2009 at 10:28 AM

Is Cheney trying out for the Murderball league with his new wheel chair? Usually sitting in a chair does not help a sore back, but having suffered moving injuries I can sympathize.

Of course, many would prefer of his detractors would prefer to see Cheney sitting in this.

Mr. Joe on January 20, 2009 at 10:29 AM

Refineries are cutting back on output, oil is being held offshore and not being offloaded. Reason? Lower supply at all levels to raise prices. We, the consumer, don’t stand a chance.

Ray-500 on January 20, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Yes oil has continued to drop, but is it just CA where the price seems to have gone up 20 cents in the last couple of weeks? I can’t understand the price jump with the price of oil has gone down.

JeffinSac on January 20, 2009 at 10:30 AM

1. This is only temporary.

2. Gas is still $1.95 at Costco.

3. If oil is crashing then this could be the bottom. Which means gas prices could be on their way back up.

Theworldisnotenough on January 20, 2009 at 10:33 AM

Refineries are cutting back on output, oil is being held offshore and not being offloaded. Reason? Lower supply at all levels to raise prices. We, the consumer, don’t stand a chance.

Ray-500 on January 20, 2009 at 10:30 AM

No, refineries are cutting back output and tankers are offshore because all the storage space is pretty much full. Have a look at Cushing, OK, mentioned above.

Vashta.Nerada on January 20, 2009 at 10:34 AM

Yes oil has continued to drop, but is it just CA where the price seems to have gone up 20 cents in the last couple of weeks? I can’t understand the price jump with the price of oil has gone down.

JeffinSac on January 20, 2009 at 10:30 AM

It has to be refined into gas. If refinery output is low then we will pay more at the pump even though the market is awash in surplus oil.

Theworldisnotenough on January 20, 2009 at 10:35 AM

The oil producing states that depend on oil revenues aren’t happy……….but, I am. But, we all know that the oil glut will not last. Americans are already re-embracing their gas guzzling SUVs.

SC.Charlie on January 20, 2009 at 10:43 AM

CHEAP OIL IS GOOD FOR AMERICA.

ThackerAgency on January 20, 2009 at 10:07 AM

I just wanted to point out that while cheap oil is good for people’s pocketbooks, it’s not necessarily good for all of us. For example, in my industry (chemical engineering), petroleum companies have responded to the lower oil prices by reducing exploration and development. Meaning, this round of college PhD graduates have a tougher time finding jobs in this field because less research is being done. Other than that, I’m all for the low prices.

LastRick on January 20, 2009 at 10:45 AM

Damn those greedy oil companies and speculators! Right Sen. McCain? This is all Bush’s fault! Right democrats? This is more than a five hundred billion dollar stimulus package that didn’t cost taxpayers a red cent and will go truly where it’s needed unlike the corruptalooza plan being hatched by birdbrains in the Democrat conference who couldn’t find appropriate projects to fund or taxes to cut, if they were bitten on the bottom by them.

eaglewingz08 on January 20, 2009 at 10:48 AM

Supply and Demand?

Can’t be as easy as that, must be a conspiracy to thwart alternative sources of energy.

NoDonkey on January 20, 2009 at 10:50 AM

Low prices will especially threaten American production, which is costlier than foreign imports. In order to make American production viable, prices need to be considerably higher than they are at the moment — and that will threaten the Drill Here, Drill Now policies that Republicans championed over the summer.

Do you people really believe that campaigning for ecological damage is the way to win elections? I wonder how many votes Republicans were getting by making this a centerpiece of their campaign? I would guess very, very few. I suppose it did fire up the base, but only at the cost of looking very ugly to the rest of America.

thuja on January 20, 2009 at 10:55 AM

I just wanted to point out that while cheap oil is good for people’s pocketbooks, it’s not necessarily good for all of us. For example, in my industry (chemical engineering), petroleum companies have responded to the lower oil prices by reducing exploration and development. Meaning, this round of college PhD graduates have a tougher time finding jobs in this field because less research is being done. Other than that, I’m all for the low prices.

LastRick on January 20, 2009 at 10:45 AM

As HA’s resident oilguy, let me say that you are 100% correct. A million barrels per day of Non-OPEC oil has already been taken off the market, maybe permanently, and another million of so by late this year. Then the 3-4 BOPD million in OPEC cuts (with more coming) and natural depletion, and … voila! We’re back at square one, with $90+ oil and OPEC having even a larger share.

TexasJew on January 20, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Do you people really believe that campaigning for ecological damage is the way to win elections? I wonder how many votes Republicans were getting by making this a centerpiece of their campaign? I would guess very, very few. I suppose it did fire up the base, but only at the cost of looking very ugly to the rest of America.

thuja on January 20, 2009 at 10:55 AM

What the hell are you babbling about?
The question here is national security and energy.
Wind turbines cost more energy to make than they produce, but what they DO produce is money for politically protected industries.
You can vote green all you want, but if you can’t drive to work or heat your home, you’re simply a slave.

TexasJew on January 20, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Drill Here, Drill Now is definately on hold. It makes sense when gas is $4.00 a gallon but at $1.50 no one cares. Of course now should be the time to get the infrastructure in place to drill when the price goes back up over $3.00 but the American people are often short-sighted in these things.

cadams on January 20, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Light crude prices:

07/23/08 $131.27
12/11/08 $50.84
12/24/08 $35.35 (Yea. Cheap gas is back)
01/05/09 $48.81 (Um. Maybe not)
01/20/09 $36.27 (Cross fingers?)

07/18/08 –> 01/20/09 72.94% drop

davidk on January 20, 2009 at 11:03 AM

I’d like to thank President Bush for lowering gas prices on his way out.

perroviejo on January 20, 2009 at 9:50 AM

I second that!

Cr4sh Dummy on January 20, 2009 at 11:04 AM

It’s simple how to bring your neighborhood gas prices down. Shop around.

This week, as you drive to work, make a note of the lowest price. When your tank gets low. Buy from that station.

Don’t be such a slave to brand name or credit card purchase. Pay cash or debit card.

Even if the difference is only pennies, it makes a difference. If one station is selling for $1.99 and is empty but the one across the street is $1.96 and has all pumps occupied, then the retailer will put pressure on his distributor. The power rests solely in your hands.

kurtzz3 on January 20, 2009 at 11:10 AM

Do you people really believe that campaigning for ecological damage is the way to win elections? I wonder how many votes Republicans were getting by making this a centerpiece of their campaign? I would guess very, very few. I suppose it did fire up the base, but only at the cost of looking very ugly to the rest of America.

thuja on January 20, 2009 at 10:55 AM

What “ecological damage” are you talking about? Should we drill for oil here, do the environmental impact statements & follow some of the globes’ most restrictive environmental laws or buy oil from another country that owns its own oil company and gets at the oil by any means necessary?

Look up a few pictures of wild creatures frolicking around drilling platforms while you’re at it (on land & under water). Then come back & make a cogent argument that accessing petroleum harms the environment.

cs89 on January 20, 2009 at 11:13 AM

Gas/oil isn’t cheap now. It’s where it should be. It was lower than it is now in 2003/2004. Just because OPEC’s shady schemes to continue an artificially increased price by withholding the supply have failed and the price has returned closer to the original levels doesn’t make the gas/oil now “cheap”. That’s exactly what they wanted you to think, that $2.50 for gas was such a great deal now. uh… No.

Bill Brasky on January 20, 2009 at 11:15 AM

I agree with you on the gouging. I defended the oil companies this past summer many times on this blog, because the price of crude was insanely high.

The only thing I can think of that would cause prices to act like this is tax increase or gouging.

I haven’t heard anything about a tax increase, so I assume it’s gouging. Let’s start putting the fire to that oil CEO ass again. Now we have a reason.

leetpriest on January 20, 2009 at 10:13 AM

There is something screwy going on with some of the gas stations in the Chicago area. It actually cost more for me to fill up my tank near where I work in Lake County than near my apartment in Evanston, so I don’t think that it’s supply and demand. I think so service stations are taking advantage of the cold weather to get a little extra profit.

Illinidiva on January 20, 2009 at 11:22 AM

Low oil prices are unacceptable to liberals.

Getting them back up to $150 a barrel will be the Fool’s #1 priority.

notagool on January 20, 2009 at 11:24 AM

blame George W. Bush. He’s making economic warfare on Iran, Russia and Venezuela.

rbj on January 20, 2009 at 10:13 AM

If so, Mr. Bush is a lot smarter than most people gave him credit.

Johan Klaus on January 20, 2009 at 11:29 AM

davidk on January 20, 2009 at 11:03 AM

I predict that gasolene will go below one dollar a gallon.

Johan Klaus on January 20, 2009 at 11:32 AM

If this is true:

In order to make American production viable, prices need to be considerably higher than they are at the moment — and that will threaten the Drill Here, Drill Now policies that Republicans championed over the summer.

Then we need to lend out a few copies of “The Art of War” by Sun Tzu. This is the exact moment to Drill Here, Drill Now.

ericdijon on January 20, 2009 at 11:38 AM

That’s why the USofA is not a democracy, doofus.

davidk on January 20, 2009 at 10:21 AM

Actually America was founded as a Republic, but it is quickly becoming an Oligarchy run by the elites.

ihasurnominashun on January 20, 2009 at 11:40 AM

That’s why the USofA is not a democracy, doofus.

davidk on January 20, 2009 at 10:21 AM
Actually America was founded as a Republic, but it is quickly becoming an Oligarchy run by the elites.

ihasurnominashun on January 20, 2009 at 11:40 AM

My understanding is that the best description of the United States Government is a “Democratic Republic,” i.e. a republic with democratic (voting/representative) principles.

cs89 on January 20, 2009 at 11:48 AM

goodbye Hugo, won’t be missing you.

Done That on January 20, 2009 at 12:03 PM

ThackerAgency on January 20, 2009 at 10:07 AM

Are you volunteering to be the new King? So generous of you!

TheUnrepentantGeek on January 20, 2009 at 12:03 PM

Oil is down because demand is down, gas prices are high because the mint printing presses can’t print faux money fast enough, if it keeps up we’ll have to pay other countries in gold to take dollars to use as toilet paper, for domestic oil company employees the immediate future isn’t great, don’t worry though our new Pres. thinks $5 gas is cool, this is deflation, soon to be replaced by a combination of rapid mountainous inflation and stagflation, lets see where did I leave that misery index from the Carter years?

Man, I wish I owned a million gallon gas storage facility.

Speakup on January 20, 2009 at 12:09 PM

Save the Economy: Drive more!

Neo on January 20, 2009 at 12:21 PM

To those asking about gouging, I heard on a local news report (Phoenix) last night or this morning, that in the past many gas stations would get by on as little profit of only a cent or two per gallon. But since prices were so high this summer and people are just relieved to be paying under $2/gal now, they are dropping the price a lot less than they would have before at the same crude price. A lot of them are taking in 30-40 cent per gallon pure profit. To think we would almost be back down to $1 a gallon gas again. Haven’t seen that since pre-9/11.

Kelligan on January 20, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Cheap oil is always good for America. Oil is energy. Any vibrant capitalist economy runs on energy. Energy, if utilized to produce or transport, is transmuted into wealth. Energy is a raw material America buys to produce wealth. The cheaper the raw materials, the more wealth can be created.

keep the change on January 20, 2009 at 1:38 PM

The USA is desperately short of refining capacity. The big oil companies don’t want to be in that business, and have largely given it over to specialty companies like Valero. Meanwhile, it’s almost impossible to get approval to build a new refinery, and old ones have been shut down or scaled down. Fifteen years ago or so Exxon sold its giant Bayway refinery (the third largest in CONUS) and it has been greatly shrunk and is operating as the Linden Cogeneration Plant. I hope they are producing fuel for the airports, but I can’t imagine that the plant can do much else.

As much as it would cause some immediate pain, I’d like to see a tariff on imported oil–one third of the difference between the import price and $80–with the proceeds dedicated to price support subsidies on domestic NEW FIELD sources, the subsidy price to be no more than $100/bbl, purchases not to exceed what can be bought with the import subsidy revenue. New field–no more than twelve years sum of age of the field and the age of the wellhead, measured from the time the field went into production and the well boring was complete; limited to fields with expected production of 30 years or more and wells with expected product of twelve years or more, domesticly owned companies only. Non-traditional sources like shale and sands would be eligible under similar rules; Canada could be included up to some fraction of production, perhaps twenty percent.

The point is to provide some assurance to investors, explorers, and operators that the market won’t crash completely.

Any takers? Any critics?

njcommuter on January 20, 2009 at 2:00 PM

There’s a refinery lag between crude coming in and fuels going out. Also, there are supply issues, where refineries convert back and forth between heating oil, diesel and gasoline which can affect the pump price. When they make the switches, entire refineries shut down for 2-3 days, and there are small bottlenecks which affect supply.

Vashta.Nerada on January 20, 2009 at 10:16 AM

Thank you-and obviously,as TexasJew reports, there’s so much more that affects gas prices.

In addition, you can thank your Federal EPA agency,stupid govt regulations based on feelings & lobbyist demands & either no science or junk science, crazy environmentalists with their pointless lawsuits, etc, etc. for your gas prices.
As said above, gas stations literally make pennies per gallon sold. If you love your local gas station, buy a bag of chips & a slurpee every time you fill up.
And as said before, petroleum gives us natural gas, as well as other necessary products like, oh, say PLASTIC.
Bush, Obama, etc have virtually little impact on gas prices.
If the govt would keep its damned nose out of business as much as possible, we wouldn’t be in this position in the first place.
BTW- I’m still driving my 2600 mile roundtrip road trip to grandma’s this summer instead of flying. I will never fly again.
Again, govt intervention is the reason.

Badger40 on January 20, 2009 at 2:02 PM

The point is to provide some assurance to investors, explorers, and operators that the market won’t crash completely.

Any takers? Any critics?

njcommuter on January 20, 2009 at 2:00 PM

Kind of what happened to the vaccine market, eh?
Govt finally makes it so unprofitable no one wants to invest or do the job, so it falls into the hands of a precious few. If they are incompetent, every one suffers.
Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket.

Badger40 on January 20, 2009 at 2:03 PM

Couldn’t tell it here – gas prices are on the rise.

roxer on January 20, 2009 at 2:17 PM

Some other things you could do with the tariff: give the states that control the drilling areas some of the money, depending on how long their permitting process runs. The amount would be in addition to the support money. For example, a 16% award might be given if the total time from permit to approval were twelve months. After than, reduce it by 2/3% for each month, or fraction thereof, that the permitting requires. At 36 months, the award goes away. To make it more interesting, make it 10% for the field (to the first wellhead) and 6% for subsequent wellheads.

(Fuel refined overseas would pay based on the crude that went into the refining, including the fuel burn in the refinery itself.)

Imagine the angst in California over that money!

njcommuter on January 20, 2009 at 2:23 PM

njcommuter on January 20, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Tariffs would ignite a nasty trade war, IMO. Don’t think protectionism is the answer.

Relax some of the provisions that are overkill, and the process will become more profitable without trading battles.

cs89 on January 20, 2009 at 2:38 PM

I am doing everything i can to stop or drastically slow
the amount of gas and oil we use.

We have turned our heaters OFF in the house
Buying fuel efficient cars and trucks
(why do you think the big three are broke)
Americans arent stupid you know..

We know we cannot keep feeding the arabs or communists.
So i am doing all i can to decrease my spending and consumption.

Now what will all the liberals do when they realize that they arent bringing in tax revenue since americans arent consuming?

WHY
RAISE TAXES on OIL..

Please do it.. Raise taxes by 1.00 per gallon please!!
Because i will then stop driving and begin telecommuting..
then what you morons???

Both the arabs , communists and liberals
Killed the Goose that laid the golden egg.

jcila on January 20, 2009 at 3:11 PM

While the peak was overvalued, the astonishing drop in prices will eventually threaten investment in future production as capital gets destroyed in the collapse.

This started to happen months ago. My oil sands investment went down a lot more than 80%. It might break even at this price if it was a producer. Unfortunately it is a development project which probably won’t be able to get further development funds.

burt on January 20, 2009 at 3:31 PM

I hope that Soros and his offshore hedge fund buddies are takin’ the proverbial ass-whuppin’ in the oil commodity market…

And, while this may put the pinch on new exploration and drilling, the one!, pardon me President the one! will spend plenty on alternative energy methods-which of course won’t be viable without subsidy due to the low price of crude…

RocketmanBob on January 20, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Economics 101 works out properly again–less demand, higher supplies, lower prices. And Econ 101 will work the other way when the economic problems go away–we need to take action now.
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Start building nuclear power plants now. And start drilling in ANWAR and off our coasts now. Remove the unreasonable environmental and licensing roadblocks–in 2 years we can have a good start on energy independence without violating reasonable environmental rules.
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Any energy policy must pass the ECONOMIC SMELL TEST–NO GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES FOR ENERGY SOURCES. All must be proven profitable and must pass safety and pollution standards before we waste tons of money on them. No corn based ethanol scams either.
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This won’t happen–President Obama (aka Jimmy Carter II) has put environmental “greenies” in charge who will spend tons of money without any economical and safe energy paybacks.
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We have been “kicking the energy can” down the road since the 1973 oil embargo. France got out of their problems a few years after the embargo–they had the political will to get energy independence. We do not have the political will of France!
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John Bibb
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rocketman on January 20, 2009 at 5:24 PM

Less Government.
More private investment.
Dare to risk.
Drill everywhere.
Sell you MBA or PhD to an aggressive employer.
Relocate to an area where your skill is needed.

What am I rambling about?

If you have never walked two or three steps in the wet clay of Texas you can’t appreciate the impact of taxing oil or piggybacking funds from its products.

ericdijon on January 20, 2009 at 6:50 PM

There’s a refinery lag between crude coming in and fuels going out. Also, there are supply issues, where refineries convert back and forth between heating oil, diesel and gasoline which can affect the pump price. When they make the switches, entire refineries shut down for 2-3 days, and there are small bottlenecks which affect supply.

Vashta.Nerada on January 20, 2009 at 10:16 AM

That does not explain the price differences from whole sale to the pump.

If I remember correctly, the wholesale future price back in December bottomed at 83 cents. Locally, at the pump here in Lafayette, La, prices bottomed at $1.43 (thats with a 42 cent tax/gallon).

Delivery for February closed at $1.17 today. One the way to work today, it was $1.75.

How you like those apples? And can anyone explain those apples?

lsutiger on January 20, 2009 at 7:09 PM

We still need more refineries to produce the specific products that change by the season, I hope this happens.

aceinstall on January 20, 2009 at 8:35 PM