Good luck, Mr. President

posted at 12:00 pm on January 20, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

At about the time this post appears, Barack Obama will take the oath of office and officially become our 44th president, following in the footsteps of George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Ronald Reagan — and also Millard Fillmore, Chester Arthur, and Jimmy Carter.  To steal a phrase from a popular movie, any president is like a box of chocolates; you don’t know what you’re going to get until it’s too late.

People have asked me since the election how I will approach the Obama presidency, but it’s really not that much of a mystery.  I’m not going to be rooting for his failure, because I’m rooting for America. I believe most people feel the same way; Obama won the election and for better or worse, he’s our president.  But that doesn’t mean that any of us will sit quietly for the next four years or the next four days.

The campaign is over, and now Obama has to govern, which means he has to start backing policies and initiatives that will reveal himself and his direction very clearly.  If Obama really wants to succeed in restoring the economy and creating jobs, he’ll have to find ways to motivate capital back into action — which will mean keeping taxes low, especially on capital-gains rates, and cutting government intervention.  Policies which confiscate capital will make the situation worse, and I will point that out as often and as vociferously as possible.

On foreign policy, we need strength, deterrence, and tenacity in dealing with enemies.  Allies who don’t support that won’t be worth much as allies, and multinational organizations more intent on anti-Americanism and anti-Semitism are a waste of time.  Expect me to loudly criticize the Obama administration for following useless policies designed to increase the Kumbaya factor at the expense of our national security.

Campaign issues, like Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, and so on, no longer matter.  Obama won the election.  In four years, he’ll run for re-election, and what will matter will be the things Obama did between now and then.  When Obama does something right, I’ll praise it, but I’ll speak up when policies go bad and mistakes are made.  That’s part of being an American.

Best of luck, President Obama.  My prayers are with you, for support and wisdom as you assume the burden of this office and lead our country.  When you fail to provide that leadership or demonstrate wisdom, though, don’t expect me to be silent.  I’m rooting for America, not the coach.

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Corrected, unless Esthier did those things which I crossed out, which I’m pretty positive she didn’t.

MadisonConservative on January 20, 2009 at 2:52 PM

No, I mean I can’t say I ever really wanted McCain to win, but I gained a lot of respect for him when he gave us Palin and never wanted him to lose either.

Esthier on January 20, 2009 at 2:57 PM

You said “chocolate”. You must be a raaaaaaaaaaaaacist.

joe_doufu on January 20, 2009 at 3:03 PM

No, I mean I can’t say I ever really wanted McCain to win, but I gained a lot of respect for him when he gave us Palin and never wanted him to lose either.

Esthier on January 20, 2009 at 2:57 PM

I then lost all respect when McCain decided to throw Palin under the bus, blame his loss on her, and get in bed with Barry.

Illinidiva on January 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM

No, I mean I can’t say I ever really wanted McCain to win, but I gained a lot of respect for him when he gave us Palin and never wanted him to lose either.

Esthier on January 20, 2009 at 2:57 PM

Same here. I didn’t want McCain to win, but I didn’t want Obama to win more. Again, sucky election all around.

MadisonConservative on January 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Every one i talked to (meaning conservatives)
1. Whish the obamas sucess
2. Whish the black americans sucess
3. Whish the democrats sucess.

But and i mean but
I fully expect the democrats (controlled by the leftists)
To completely destroy this country in the next 4 years.

I am sorry but i am hearing five things from the liberals
A. Redistribute wealth
B. Universal healthcare
C. Ending of Americas military prowless (peace dividend)
D. Reperations for Slavery
E. Nationalization

Only problem is
Great Britain has done most of this
and today many are saying
Britain is bankrupt

I am afraid obama will go down the same path
I hope i am proven wrong.

jcila on January 20, 2009 at 3:05 PM

May our new President be endowed with wisdom from above.

2 Chronicles 1:11 And God said to Solomon, Because this was in your heart, and you did not make request for money, property, or honour, or for the destruction of your haters, or for long life; but you have made request for wisdom and knowledge for yourself, so that you may be the judge of my people over whom I have made you king:
12 Wisdom and knowledge are given to you; and I will give you wealth and honour, such as no king has had before you or ever will have after you.

May he change to reflect the views of His Maker.

2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

May he succeed when he upholds the original meaning of our Constitution and not socialism, may he humble himself before the mighty hand of God,

1 Peter 5:6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

may he realize he is not the Messiah, but that the true Messiah will lead him if he humbly asks.

Isaiah 58:11 And the LORD shall guide thee continually.

May he truly make Christ the center of his life and not some liberation theology.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Christian Conservative on January 20, 2009 at 3:10 PM

I, on the other hand, will be rooting for Obama’s failure. Rooting for Obama means rooting for mass infanticide, racism, socialism, and a premature end to the mission set out for me (I’m a veteran of OIF I and III) and my fellow servicemembers. One of the very reasons Obama is President now is because “conservatives” have failed to properly fight that which we are opposed to. There should be no defense of “taking the high road”. There is only success and failure. Right now conservatism is failing, and it’s, at least in part, the fault of those who are willing to go along to get along with our enemy.

davenp35 on January 20, 2009 at 3:10 PM

Again, sucky election all around.

MadisonConservative on January 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Huge understatement.

I then lost all respect when McCain decided to throw Palin under the bus, blame his loss on her, and get in bed with Barry.

Illinidiva on January 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM

I haven’t seen him do that yet. I know his staff has and that he hasn’t denounced them, but that’s not exactly the same.

Besides, what are we to expect of the Maverick? Cozying up to Obama is the only way he’ll gain back his “base”.

Esthier on January 20, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Best wishes for a successful war against the terrorists. Good luck saving the economy. Stay safe and keep America safe.

kanda on January 20, 2009 at 3:22 PM

Esthier on January 20, 2009 at 3:17 PM

If he would have just jumped on that staff of his as quickly as he jumped on the NC Republican Party for saying mean-ole things about Obama, which were true, I’d have been able to maintain a little of the respect I found for him. Lets face it. John McCain is more of a Liberal than he is a Republican. He’s right back where he was two years ago sucking up the the Democrats and the media.

hawkdriver on January 20, 2009 at 3:23 PM

I then lost all respect when McCain decided to throw Palin under the bus, blame his loss on her, and get in bed with Barry.
Illinidiva on January 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Throw under the bus? Do you have a link to his exact words when he did that?

I’ll be waiting for your response.

Blame his loss on her? Do you have a link to his exact words when he did that?

I’ll be waiting for your response.

Get ‘in bed’ with Barry? I’ve seen photos of them standing together. A video of them speaking about moving forward from the campaign and going back to work in government, but I must have missed the ‘in bed’ with part. And of course .. Do you have a link to his exact words when he did that?

I’ll be waiting for your response.

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 3:25 PM

I didn’t want McCain to win,
MadisonConservative on January 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM

No you didn’t. And it showed. Especially after the ‘multiple choice’ of the republican primary moved down to the ‘pick one’ phase of the election. You certainly did express every single conceivable negative quality about McCain, and say that McCain was just as bad as Obama. It’s something that you should be proud of. Lord knows that Obama is so very proud of your actions here as well.

And here we were, hoping that the PUMA’s would help to siphon enough votes away from Obama because of Hillary.

Party Unity you ass, huh, madison?

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Corrected, unless Esthier did those things which I crossed out, which I’m pretty positive she didn’t.
MadisonConservative on January 20, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Who said I was talking about her?

Oh, that’s right – I forgot – anytime I say anything against you and you alone …. you come back with a ‘but I was talking about everyone else here who was critical of McCain’ despite my multiple denials of your repeated claims.

You should stop. But then again, I shouldn’t expect a miracle, that you would stop believing that the universe revolves around you.

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 3:31 PM

Seriously, you guys should get a room.

dakine on January 20, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Party Unity you ass, huh, madison?

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 3:29 PM

After shamnesty? You bet. Party affiliation means nothing if the candidate is espousing liberal ideology, and that included others like Huckabee and Ron Paul. Although, since you care so much about party unity, I’m sure you agree with everything both of them said.

You should stop.

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 3:31 PM

For the final time:

Don’t start, and there will be nothing to stop.

MadisonConservative on January 20, 2009 at 3:43 PM

If he would have just jumped on that staff of his as quickly as he jumped on the NC Republican Party for saying mean-ole things about Obama, which were true, I’d have been able to maintain a little of the respect I found for him.

hawkdriver on January 20, 2009 at 3:23 PM

I understand. Still, I can’t say I expected anything else. I never forgot who he was before 2007.

Who said I was talking about her?

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 3:31 PM

Oh, come on, you don’t remember how things used to be between us before you had Madison to rail at as well? You have said those things about me. I was expressing my frustration and displeasure at something McCain had done, and suddenly I was on your black list for failing to step in line once McCain was nominated.

Esthier on January 20, 2009 at 3:45 PM

I haven’t seen him do that yet. I know his staff has and that he hasn’t denounced them, but that’s not exactly the same.

Besides, what are we to expect of the Maverick? Cozying up to Obama is the only way he’ll gain back his “base”.

Esthier on January 20, 2009 at 3:17 PM

He really hasn’t been jumping to her defense, which to me is the same thing.

Illinidiva on January 20, 2009 at 3:47 PM

He really hasn’t been jumping to her defense, which to me is the same thing.

Illinidiva on January 20, 2009 at 3:47 PM

After asking her to be the centerpiece of his horrible campaign, I agree. He owes her better.

MadisonConservative on January 20, 2009 at 3:48 PM

Honestly, I’m fine with him doing just what he has. The guy disgusted me with some of the things he did in the middle of Bush’s presidency. I felt sick when I realized he’d be our nominee and always had a hard time supporting him.

If he’d acted any differently regarding Palin, it would be harder to accept what we know is coming soon, his plan to regain the press, his base.

Esthier on January 20, 2009 at 3:54 PM

MadisonConservative on January 20, 2009 at 3:48 PM

Plus, we all know what that was about. Though I think Palin had potential, I doubt McCain did (at least I’ve come to doubt that he did). She was a token pick for PUMA voters.

Esthier on January 20, 2009 at 3:56 PM

dakine on January 20, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Seriously, if he wouldn’t act like Eric Cartman, self-appointed hall monitor cop then we wouldn’t have a problem here.

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 4:02 PM

Sorry I can’t root for this closet Marxist. Just look at Senate bill 2433 if you want to see how he will govern. He hasn’t brought this bill up once, yet it has already passed the House and is close to being passed by the Senate. Believe me this will be signed in the first 100 days while we see our sovereignty gone to the UN. Nope, sorry I’m not rooting for him in any way. I just hope he gets voted out in 2012 once people realize his radical agenda.

veerite on January 20, 2009 at 4:05 PM

I, on the other hand, will be rooting for Obama’s failure. Rooting for Obama means rooting for mass infanticide, racism, socialism, and a premature end to the mission set out for me (I’m a veteran of OIF I and III) and my fellow servicemembers. One of the very reasons Obama is President now is because “conservatives” have failed to properly fight that which we are opposed to. There should be no defense of “taking the high road”. There is only success and failure. Right now conservatism is failing, and it’s, at least in part, the fault of those who are willing to go along to get along with our enemy.

davenp35 on January 20, 2009 at 3:10 PM

Forty years into the culture war, most conservatives haven’t realized it’s a battle to the death. The new America born in the sixties, explicitly conceived as a radical project to destroy and remake a country its midwives despised, has grown to take almost complete control of the culture, including the culture of Washington. Today was like the mess hall scene in “Alien,” with America taking the John Hurt role. Conservatives feel lost because there is very little left for us to “conserve.” The old America that people like William F. Buckley saddled up to defend is almost completely gone, eroded slowly and steadily, existing now as large but voiceless communities that can do little but pray they don’t attract the notice of the federal government.

All of the significant movement in American politics since the 1960s has been leftward. There have been moments when the leftward march was slowed, and individual areas – mostly in foreign policy – where people of vision and courage have been able to hold the line, but there are not many outright victories for advocates of small government and individual liberty to point to. Given that state of affairs, it seems hard to imagine conservatism making any significant gains without becoming radical, just as the architects of the 60s knew they wouldn’t get anywhere by politely requesting a seat at the table set by the 40s and 50s. Hopefully McCain will go down in history as the truly “transitional” figure – the last Republican who thought he could best serve his constituents by announcing that he thinks 95% of the Democrat agenda is just peachy, and the Democrats are a swell bunch of statesmen who deserve thanks for kindly allowing him to run for office.

Doctor Zero on January 20, 2009 at 4:06 PM

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 4:02 PM

What’s wrong with Cartman? No one else was going to take care of the hippie population. And yeah, he wanted to go to war with the Chinese, but he has standards. No shooting the b@lls.

Esthier on January 20, 2009 at 4:07 PM

He’s not my president, and I don’t wish the scumbag any luck at all.

Sign of the Dollar on January 20, 2009 at 4:08 PM

What’s wrong with Cartman? No one else was going to take care of the hippie population. And yeah, he wanted to go to war with the Chinese, but he has standards. No shooting the b@lls.

Esthier on January 20, 2009 at 4:07 PM

Babe, after what he did to Scott Tenorman…

Awesome. Just awesome.

MadisonConservative on January 20, 2009 at 4:08 PM

MadisonConservative on January 20, 2009 at 4:08 PM

Yes! Yesss! Oh, let me taste your tears, Scott! Mm, your tears are so yummy and sweet!

Esthier on January 20, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Yes! Yesss! Oh, let me taste your tears, Scott! Mm, your tears are so yummy and sweet!

Esthier on January 20, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Dude, I think it might be best for us to never piss Cartman off again.

Good call!

MadisonConservative on January 20, 2009 at 4:12 PM

He’s not my president, and I don’t wish the scumbag any luck at all.

Sign of the Dollar on January 20, 2009 at 4:08 PM

+1

SouthernGent on January 20, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Now this thread permeates patriotism.

Nice try Ed but country first was just a slogan.

Geez.

getalife on January 20, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Got to be the darkest South Park ever.

Esthier on January 20, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Wow. What a let down, Ed.

You and Allah should get a room.

LtE126 on January 20, 2009 at 4:24 PM

getalife on January 20, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Screw you guys… I’m going home.

Esthier on January 20, 2009 at 4:26 PM

Screw you guys… I’m going home.

Esthier on January 20, 2009 at 4:26 PM

Yeah right, you’ll go sit in front of the TV, and eat Cheesy Poofs, assmaster!

MadisonConservative on January 20, 2009 at 4:28 PM

Man: I love cheesy poofs,
You love cheesy poofs.
If we didn’t eat cheesy poofs,
We’d be…

Lame.

Esthier on January 20, 2009 at 4:34 PM

I guess with all the inauguration mania today, no one noticed that the Dow Jones Industrial Average closed below 8000 today. 7000 (ready or not) here we come.

My collie says:

I blame Obama.

CyberCipher on January 20, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Obama made his first mistake today. Just for the record, there have only been 43 Americans who have taken the oath of the President. Obama is the 44th President, but he is only the 43 person to be President. Why only 43 Presidents? It is because Grover Clevland, the only person who was elected to two non-consecutive terms, was the 22nd and the 24th President of the United States.

Yours turly, Cliffy Clavin…

RedSoxNation on January 20, 2009 at 4:50 PM

This was a sickening post. How clueless do you have to be to not oppose a smooth-talking Marxist, with plans to destroy America as we know it, every inch of the way? You’re either clueless or your positioning yourself for replacement of one of the high-paid RINO pundit hacks in the MM. Too bad HotAir has come to this.

nottakingsides on January 20, 2009 at 4:52 PM

Honoring the fall of a great nation? I don’t think so.

The BHO Precedency is an embarrassment.

progressoverpeace on January 20, 2009 at 4:57 PM

“I’m not going to be rooting for his failure, because I’m rooting for America.”

“I’m not going to be rooting for his success, because I’m rooting for America.”

Which makes the most sense? One can not really say at this point but it is reasonable safe to say that neither should always apply.

MB4 on January 20, 2009 at 4:59 PM

I guess the stock market and U.S. businesses aren’t feeling the love or change or hope.

Market closed below 8,000 points.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090120/ap_on_bi_st_ma_re/wall_street

Oh, I feel the change going on right now.

stefystef on January 20, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Yeah, I noticed the WSJ stood alone in picking up that bit of info, along with, um, India.

MadisonConservative on January 20, 2009 at 5:01 PM

Well, the NYSE did not exactly give Obamawon Barackobi’s regal coronation inauguration a big wet kiss as it is down 6.11% for the day.

MB4 on January 20, 2009 at 5:06 PM

He really hasn’t been jumping to her defense, which to me is the same thing.

The people he hired to help her during the campaign completely turned on her, and he said nothing. I respect the guy and his service, but it was really disappointing that he spent more time defending his opponent than his running mate. But hey, that’s McCain.

Jim Treacher on January 20, 2009 at 5:07 PM

I ain’t buyin it. Obama is a socialist. He has socialist goals and motivations for our country. I do not want him to succeed, and I don’t care if that makes me in the minority. I will never hope and pray for success of a socialist.

MikeA on January 20, 2009 at 5:08 PM

The people he hired to help her during the campaign completely turned on her,

what were their names?

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:08 PM

MB4 on January 20, 2009 at 5:06 PM

Just wait until Precedent BHO and his insane Congress start passing their enviro-nut policies. We’ll be wishing for just 6% down days. First stop, bankrupt the coal industry, and the destruction will move on from there.

progressoverpeace on January 20, 2009 at 5:09 PM

Christian Conservative on January 20, 2009 at 3:10 PM

Amen.

TheUnrepentantGeek on January 20, 2009 at 5:11 PM

what were their names?

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:08 PM

I don’t recall that we ever got their names. They were fairly cowardly in their dumping on her.

Esthier on January 20, 2009 at 5:12 PM

but it was really disappointing that he spent more time defending his opponent than his running mate.

Hoe did he defend Obama? Are you talking about the time he told the crazy woman in the town hall that Obama wasn’t a muslim?
.

I don’t recall that we ever got their names. They were fairly cowardly in their dumping on her.
Esthier on January 20, 2009 at 5:12 PM

If we don’t know who they were, then it was up to them to prove themselves, not the other way around.

If they were cowardly in their anonymousness, then how do we know for a fact that they were campaign staffers in the first place.

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:14 PM

If they were cowardly in their anonymousness, then how do we know for a fact that they were campaign staffers in the first place.

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:14 PM

McCain knows, and he never said they weren’t.

Esthier on January 20, 2009 at 5:16 PM

Esthier, many democrats have made claims about Bush. And he hasn’t refuted them all. Do you think that they were true, unless Bush denied them?

I don’t. I give the benefit of the doubt to the president, and zero to the anonymous claims that he lied about Iraq, and all the rest. Doesn’t facts matter to you at all? Why would you consider these false rumors by people we don’t even know to be true, without any evidence whatsoever?

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:17 PM

what were their names?

Exactly. We don’t know, because he did nothing.

Jim Treacher on January 20, 2009 at 5:17 PM

McCain knows,

And of course you don’t have any proof on that as well?

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Hoe did he defend Obama? Are you talking about the time he told the crazy woman in the town hall that Obama wasn’t a muslim?

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:14 PM

McShame defended BHO on every occassion he could. Most of the times McShame was just, plain wrong. And right after he defended BHO’s “honor” BHO released his “McCain is dishonorable” ad. McCain is an azz and he screwed us all over. Now, he’s set to get working on killing the country with his shamnesty again … Whoopee!

P.S. It’s “anonymity”.

progressoverpeace on January 20, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Exactly. We don’t know, because he did nothing.
Jim Treacher on January 20, 2009 at 5:17 PM

again, the burden of proof is on the people making the claim. Not the person who is the victim to disprove otherwise.

So again, why do you accept this as fact, when you have no proof? Isn’t this was liberals do? Doesn’t this make you feel at all strange to be engaging in the same behavior as them? Just because you want to believe the worst about McCain? And if that’s true, which other republican will you treat this way next.

I thought we were supposed to be better than the liberals who also did this to Bush and other conservatives.

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:20 PM

McShame defended BHO on every occassion he could.

But no, those don’t count. We have to provide documentary proof, I’m sure, of what everybody already saw.

Jim Treacher on January 20, 2009 at 5:21 PM

McShame defended BHO on every occassion he could.

That’s not accurate.

P.S., it’s ” occasion “.

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:21 PM

again, the burden of proof is on the people making the claim.

That somebody who had to have had intimate knowledge of the inner workings of the McCain/Palin campaign made false claims about her after the election? Help me out here, your logic is obviously superior to that of us earthlings.

Jim Treacher on January 20, 2009 at 5:22 PM

Jim Treacher on January 20, 2009 at 5:21 PM

Now, you know better than that.

As I said, he didn’t agree with the racist woman that Obama was a Muslim. What would you rather he have done, agree that he was? Do you have a specific mention of when McCain ‘defended Obama?’ Maybe the ad that linked Obama with his racist pastor? McCain wanted to win on the merits of political issues and policy. And ran an attack ad on Obama with his political connection to Ayers. He didn’t ‘defend Obama’ when it came to Ayers.

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:24 PM

Just because you want to believe the worst about McCain?

I want to believe the best of him. I wanted him to win. If I’m not allowed to judge him by his actions, or his failure to act, then I guess you’re right.

Jim Treacher on January 20, 2009 at 5:24 PM

Why would you consider these false rumors by people we don’t even know to be true, without any evidence whatsoever?

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Why wouldn’t McCain refute any of it? A simple, “of course none of those rumors are true about Palin” would have sufficed.

A man with his experience should know about loyalty. This isn’t even a tough one, wise. If Bush had let crap like that slide about Cheney, yeah, I’d then be inclined to believe the rumors did come from those close to him.

Wise, I get your desire for party loyalty and all, but is it ever possible for someone to have a criticism of McCain without you immediately calling them to task?

Esthier on January 20, 2009 at 5:24 PM

Jim Treacher on January 20, 2009 at 5:21 PM

But that was just our lying eyes (and ears). wise_man knows that McShame never defended BHO, because wise_man was always busy kissing the ground, praying to McShame, while the idiot was assuring people that BHO was not a socialist (against all evidence from BHO’s own pathetic writing and his constant talk of collectivism over individualism). Silly us.

progressoverpeace on January 20, 2009 at 5:24 PM

Now, you know better than that.

I’m sure you’re right.

Jim Treacher on January 20, 2009 at 5:25 PM

Jim Treacher on January 20, 2009 at 5:22 PM

There’s no need to be snarky.

If someone claimed that Sarah Palin thought that Africa was a country, then how was McCain supposed to come to her defense with ‘yes she does know that Africa is a continent.’ And who was in that room? Sarah Palin knows. So why hasn’t she named names, or thrown McCain under the bus for treating her badly.

Maybe McCain and Palin agreed to not dignify this with a response. But no, that cant be the case, because it should be obvious that McCain hates Palin, right?/

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:26 PM

There’s no need to be snarky.

Of course, good point.

Jim Treacher on January 20, 2009 at 5:29 PM

P.S., it’s ” occasion “.

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:21 PM

Yes, and you should have written “don’t” instead of “doesn’t” in 5:17. People in glass houses, wise…

Esthier on January 20, 2009 at 5:31 PM

If I’m not allowed to judge him by his actions, or his failure to act, then I guess you’re right.

Jim Treacher on January 20, 2009 at 5:24 PM

And isn’t that the exact same thing we were told not to do about Obama?

Amazing how that sentiment can cross party lines.

MadisonConservative on January 20, 2009 at 5:31 PM

Wise, I get your desire for party loyalty and all, but is it ever possible for someone to have a criticism of McCain without you immediately calling them to task?
Esthier on January 20, 2009 at 5:24 PM

I’m a little disappointed to see that after all these months, you think that this is about party loyalty for me.

As I stated above, I see that the liberals did not give Bush the benefit of the doubt. Its more important to me that we not act like them, in our own zeal to destroy McCain because we want to, and it makes us feel better about ourselves. Its not about McCain – he’s gone. He’s not going to run for president any more. With any luck, he’ll get voted out of office. This is about us. And out behavior. Ed and AP don’t want this site to be known as a hangout for what they see as ‘Obama birth certificate truthers’. Because this hurts us all by association. And I find it very distasteful to see us treating McCain as the liberals treated Bush for the same reason.

Do you really want to be known as a conservative who will act like a liberal when it comes to thinking the worst about a politician, especially when there is no proof, and no cooberating(however the heck you spell that word) factual evidence to support you opinion.

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:32 PM

P.S., it’s ” occasion “.

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:21 PM

Copmparing a typo to the use of a non-word. Okay, there, wise_man. But that shouldn’t stop you from explaining why McShame went out of his way to claim that BHO is not a socialist.

progressoverpeace on January 20, 2009 at 5:33 PM

Just because you want to believe the worst about McCain?

I want to believe the best of him. I wanted him to win. If I’m not allowed to judge him by his actions, or his failure to act, then I guess you’re right.
Jim Treacher on January 20, 2009 at 5:24 PM

So McCain got fewer votes than Obama … and now it’s okay to believe that McCain hates all conservatives?

Please tell me this isn’t your standards for logic and reason. I don’t think that you are anywhere near deranged on this issue as madison.

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:34 PM

McShame went out of his way to claim that BHO is not a socialist.

He’s a democrat. What’s your problem? Maybe we should all call him a marxist? Would that make you happy?

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:35 PM

He’s a democrat. What’s your problem?

My problem is that McCain defended BHO against true charges. Just read BHO’s own books about how he “sought out Marxist professors” and then look at all of his plans. McShame lied to defend BHO. That’s my problem.

Maybe we should all call him a marxist? Would that make you happy?

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:35 PM

He is what he is. The truth makes me happy.

progressoverpeace on January 20, 2009 at 5:37 PM

But, let’s make this easy for you, wise_man, do you believe that BHO is a socialist and wants to take this country deep into socialism, if he is able?

progressoverpeace on January 20, 2009 at 5:40 PM

how he “sought out Marxist professors”

did he happen to vote on any ‘pro-marxist’ legislation in his political career? Or do you think that once he’s president, he’ll use stealth to impose marxist law on us?

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:40 PM

I don’t think that you are anywhere near deranged on this issue as madison.

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:34 PM

I’m not deranged. I’ve stated my opinions of McCain, and referenced stances he’s held, with references. You didn’t like it, and have gone to the depths of seething rage over it. That is derangement.

MadisonConservative on January 20, 2009 at 5:41 PM

Do you really want to be known as a conservative who will act like a liberal when it comes to thinking the worst about a politician, especially when there is no proof, and no cooberating(however the heck you spell that word) factual evidence to support you opinion.

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:32 PM

Sure, but it’s not just about this. I can’t think of a single time you’ve been OK with a criticism of McCain, even on policy differences.

Besides, with all we’ve seen, thinking the worst of politicians isn’t really unintelligent.

Esthier on January 20, 2009 at 5:41 PM

he’ll use stealth to impose marxist law on us?

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:40 PM

Stealth? Nothing stealth about it. BHO has championed collectivism over individualism for the whole of the campaign? The only stealth aspect was that McShame didn’t know anything about this, evidently.

progressoverpeace on January 20, 2009 at 5:42 PM

So McCain got fewer votes than Obama … and now it’s okay to believe that McCain hates all conservatives?

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:34 PM

For the record, I’ve thought he hated conservatives since at least 2002.

Esthier on January 20, 2009 at 5:44 PM

I’m reminded of Mel Brooks in this classic cameo.

What did he say, again?

uptight on January 20, 2009 at 5:44 PM

So McCain got fewer votes than Obama … and now it’s okay to believe that McCain hates all conservatives?

That is in no way an insane leap of logic from what I said. Well done.

Jim Treacher on January 20, 2009 at 5:44 PM

But, let’s make this easy for you, wise_man, do you believe that BHO is a socialist and wants to take this country deep into socialism, if he is able?
progressoverpeace on January 20, 2009 at 5:40 PM

I think that Barack Obama is the most liberal senator of 2007. And he will govern this way. And for some people, it was more important to trash the only person who who could have stopped him, if he had gotten more votes.

Such as madison. Obviously McCain hated all white people, and loves mexicans, and wanted them to invade us, so this was more of a devastating issue for all of us than Obama’s liberal, socialist, marxism that he would bring to this country. And we had to spend all of our time expressing how evil and dangerous McCain was, and not doing everything we could to help defeat Obama, because he was the lesser of two evils.

Right madison?

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Sure, but it’s not just about this. I can’t think of a single time you’ve been OK with a criticism of McCain, even on policy differences.

Esthier on January 20, 2009 at 5:41 PM

Mentioning amnesty got you yelled at. Mentioning CFR got you labeled an Obama supporter. Mentioning global warming and you were suddenly a KOS plant. Mentioning the reports that McCain “entertained” the notion of running with Kerry made you a liar…like Bryan, I guess.

The thing is, we’re not acting like liberals attacking Bush when we bring that up. We’re not calling the guy a Nazi or a war criminal(although some went very far in their anger over amnesty). We’re pointing out the inconsistencies of his claiming to be “conservative”.

MadisonConservative on January 20, 2009 at 5:46 PM

I think that Barack Obama is the most liberal senator of 2007. And he will govern this way. And for some people, it was more important to trash the only person who who could have stopped him, if he had gotten more votes.

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Sigh …

Anser the simple question, would you call BHO a socialist, either by ideological bent or desire? Do you believe that BHO champions collectivism over individualism?

Simple, direct answers, please.

progressoverpeace on January 20, 2009 at 5:47 PM

That is in no way an insane leap of logic from what I said. Well done.
Jim Treacher on January 20, 2009 at 5:44 PM

I want to believe the best of him. I wanted him to win. If I’m not allowed to judge him by his actions, or his failure to act, then I guess you’re right.
Jim Treacher on January 20, 2009 at 5:24 PM

I get the feeling that if McCain did win, that you wouldn’t be spending so much time telling us all how much he sucked.

It’s okay, you not the only fair weather conservative here.

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:47 PM

Obviously McCain hated all white people, and loves mexicans, and wanted them to invade us…

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:45 PM

…and this guy calls other people insane.

Seriously, how messed up are you that you spend half your time doing what Stephen Colbert does for his show?

MadisonConservative on January 20, 2009 at 5:48 PM

McCain “entertained” the notion of running with Kerry

aaaannnnnddddd her’s the other lie.

This is what other people claimed. He was asked, twice. And he said no, twice.

And Tom Daschel and Arriana Huffington made these claims. And you madison, dare I say it conservative would rather believe these two non-conservatives against the word of a republican.

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:49 PM

Ed, you’re a useful idiot. Good luck with what? 99% of what he expressed on the campaign trail, I don’t want him to succeed with. Why? Because it’s all liberal policies.

TTheoLogan on January 20, 2009 at 5:49 PM

MadisonConservative on January 20, 2009 at 5:48 PM

little mouse says what?

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:49 PM

Simple, direct answers, please.

progressoverpeace on January 20, 2009 at 5:47 PM

Good luck with that.

The scoffing at calling Barack a socialist really is adverse to him. Not to mention his willful ignorance of McCain calling out the North Carolina Republican Party for showing the Obama/Wright ad.

He defended Obama like crazy. Don’t want to offend your opponent. After all, you want to be friends if he wins, right?

MadisonConservative on January 20, 2009 at 5:52 PM

It’s okay, you not the only fair weather conservative here.

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:47 PM

And yet it’s somehow not about party loyalty? Surely my confusion is understood at least minimally here.

Feel free to correct me, but I really don’t recall you ever accepting criticism of McCain no matter what was said.

Esthier on January 20, 2009 at 5:56 PM

There’s no need to be snarky.

If someone claimed that Sarah Palin thought that Africa was a country, then how was McCain supposed to come to her defense with ‘yes she does know that Africa is a continent.’ And who was in that room? Sarah Palin knows. So why hasn’t she named names, or thrown McCain under the bus for treating her badly.

Maybe McCain and Palin agreed to not dignify this with a response. But no, that cant be the case, because it should be obvious that McCain hates Palin, right?/

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:26 PM

Frankly, the silence on McCain’s side has been pretty eye-opening: Palin’s “invitation” to the McCain/ Barry dinner went missing, Meghan McCain who thought that Sarah was the best thing since sliced bread during the campaign has gone silent, and his defense of Palin was about as warm and thoughtful as Barry thanking Dubya today in his inaugral speech. It reminds me of the pouty hissy fit between Bush and McCain during Bush’s first term. During that time, McCain also kept insisting he was a major supporter of the President and a proud Republican.

Frankly, this guy has a sort of passive aggressive thing, which is kind of unbecoming of a war hero. He should just duke it out in public with Palin like a real man. Or perhaps drop the whole thing and realize that he lost because he ran a lousy campaign in a bad environment for Republicans. If anyone should be mad at the McCain campaign, it should be Palin considering how the campaign allowed her to turn into a caricture and made it that much harder for her to run for Prez in 2012 or 2016.

Illinidiva on January 20, 2009 at 5:56 PM

I get the feeling that if McCain did win, that you wouldn’t be spending so much time telling us all how much he sucked.

If McCain had won, his underlings probably wouldn’t have tried to throw Palin under the bus, and he wouldn’t have had to avoid comment on it. But other than that, you make a very good point.

Jim Treacher on January 20, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Mentioning amnesty got you yelled at. Mentioning CFR got you labeled an Obama supporter. Mentioning global warming and you were suddenly a KOS plant.

AFTER

After McCain was going to be the nominee after Romney dropped out and Huck had no chance in hell to win … what was the point?

What you and others did was to delight the liberals by participating in our very own operation chaos. And that’s exactly what happened. And now you act so surprised and offended that I mention that what you were doing, was more than just pointing out one or two negative things about McCain,

For the HUNDREDTH TIME, when the election failed to be a multiple choice question, and was then down to just a yes or no, a vote for Obama or a vote for McCain question, you and the others made sure to help to turn off as many people as you could within the sound of your voice as to how McCain sucked, and that McCain was exactly the same as obama. and as I have mentioned many times in the past, this is a lie:

For those who see no difference between McCain and the two Democrats, this serves as a reminder that while McCain drifts to the middle on some issues, a large chasm exists between the nominees that will face off in November.

And again, He’s speaking to you.

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Good luck with that.

The scoffing at calling Barack a socialist really is adverse to him.

Yes. wise_man refuses to answer this because then he wouldn’t be able to defend McShame’s defense of BHO not being a socialist to that man in the crowd.

Not to mention his willful ignorance of McCain calling out the North Carolina Republican Party for showing the Obama/Wright ad.

MadisonConservative on January 20, 2009 at 5:52 PM

Or McShame’s jumping on anyone who said “Hussein” while it was good enough for BHO’s oath – and we’ll be hearing it on and on (from the left) through his whole Precedency.

Just wait until McShame tries to shove amnesty down our throats again. wise_man will be out calling us all bigots. I bet he can’t wait.

progressoverpeace on January 20, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Frankly, the silence on McCain’s side has been pretty eye-opening:
Illinidiva on January 20, 2009 at 5:56 PM

If the situation is as you describe, then why has Sarah Palin not collaborated(that’s the spelling, damnit) your version? She has only said good things about McCain. And if there is anyone who should know, it’s her.

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 6:00 PM

es. wise_man refuses to answer this because then he wouldn’t be able to defend McShame’s defense of BHO not being a socialist to that man in the crowd.

please don’t put words into my mouth.

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 6:00 PM

If McCain had won, his underlings probably wouldn’t have tried to throw Palin under the bus, and he wouldn’t have had to avoid comment on it. But other than that, you make a very good point.

Jim Treacher on January 20, 2009 at 5:57 PM

However, I think that they would have tried to make her as inconsequential as Joe Biden will be and shipped her off to quite a few funerals and fundraisers.

Illinidiva on January 20, 2009 at 6:01 PM

please don’t put words into my mouth.

wise_man on January 20, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Then answer the question, would you call BHO a socialist? Yes or no.

progressoverpeace on January 20, 2009 at 6:01 PM

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