Tom Hanks: Prop 8 supporters are “un-American”
posted at 1:13 pm on January 16, 2009 by Allahpundit
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The boss wonders when, precisely, it became “progressive” again to level this charge against one’s opponents. Hasn’t it always been? Just in the past few months, we’ve seen Pelosi toss it at TARP naysayers and Jennifer Granholm fling it at critics of the auto bailout. Given Biden’s framing of the economic crisis as an emergency equivalent to war, I expect to hear from Harry Reid any day now that opposing the stimulus is quasi-treason.
“The truth is this [show, "Big Love,"] takes place in Utah, the truth is these people are some bizarre offshoot of the Mormon Church, and the truth is a lot of Mormons gave a lot of money to the church to make Prop-8 happen,” he told Tarts. “There are a lot of people who feel that is un-American, and I am one of them. I do not like to see any discrimination codified on any piece of paper, any of the 50 states in America, but here’s what happens now. A little bit of light can be shed, and people can see who’s responsible, and that can motivate the next go around of our self correcting Constitution, and hopefully we can move forward instead of backwards. So let’s have faith in not only the American, but Californian, constitutional process.”
Rusty’s pithy rebuttal: “Also un-American by this definition? Americans.” Exit question one: Anything “un-American” about Jerry Brown’s attempt to have a constitutional amendment declared unconstitutional? Exit question two: How far, in his immaculate American-ness, would Hanks be willing to go to make sure “people can see who’s responsible”? This far?
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The so called “Gay” community is a community of sexual deviants. They used just want to be left alone to practice their abominable behavior in peace, now they demand that we all recognize said behavior as “normal”.
Kjeil on January 16, 2009 at 5:00 PM
I am so sad I have to leave this thread. I do so love the attacks on LDS folks
/sarc
Buh bye.
Badger40 on January 16, 2009 at 5:00 PM
Polygamy is yet another form of consensual arrangement, and should be as lawful as hetero and homo monogamous marriages.
If specific people are committing other crimes (abuse of children etc) then that is an entirely separate issue.
LimeyGeek on January 16, 2009 at 5:01 PM
Thank you, glad to see you are so interested in what I am doing…receive the ire of many?
I wouldn’t know, I don’t pay attention to such trival pursuits.
Another one who is in constant need of attention.
AprilOrit on January 16, 2009 at 5:03 PM
Exactly.
And I think everyone in this country should marry everybody else in this country, so we all have peace and love and free health insurance.
And I love carrots. I want to marry carrots.
Why won’t you let me marry carrots?
Bigots.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 5:03 PM
I am against both polygamy and gay marriage, but I applaud you on your consistency in being in favor of both, along with your reasonable view of separating the other crimes from the institutions. You have a sensible position, though we disagree.
progressoverpeace on January 16, 2009 at 5:04 PM
Don’t question my patriotism, Gump!
sulla on January 16, 2009 at 5:05 PM
Oh, you are so above it all. You are so needed on this thread…yes, I follow your every word.
Please, tell me more about what YOU believe.
HornetSting on January 16, 2009 at 5:05 PM
It’s racism. If carrots weren’t orange, there’d not even be a question as to whether it should be allowed!
malclave on January 16, 2009 at 5:06 PM
PastorJon
progressoverpeace
I couldn’t have said it better myself. Thank you both.
JAM on January 16, 2009 at 5:06 PM
“Lieutenant Dan, ice cream. Ice cream Lieutenant Dan.”
“Good lord Gump, that’s not vanilla ice cream!”
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 5:06 PM
Then I can at least shake your hand and thank you for a civil disagreement :)
LimeyGeek on January 16, 2009 at 5:07 PM
You still did not answer the question.
Johan Klaus on January 16, 2009 at 5:08 PM
HornetSting on January 16, 2009 at 5:05 PM
As long as narcissists have themselves, they’ll never be alone.
kingsjester on January 16, 2009 at 5:08 PM
I know. They do try my patience.
HornetSting on January 16, 2009 at 5:09 PM
Go ahead and marry your carrots. Since they cannot be legally considered as capable of granting consent, any will you make (leaving everything to your beloved carrots) will be void…and upon your death your estate will pass into public auction, nice’n'cheap.
Alternatively, you could stop arguing like a pillock.
LimeyGeek on January 16, 2009 at 5:10 PM
Now the Democrat party is calling every one UnAmerican like some – not all of us – in the GOP did.
So tell me – not that it’s all in reverse – how does it feel?
AprilOrit on January 16, 2009 at 5:10 PM
No, he’s calling Mormons UnAmerican.
HornetSting on January 16, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Carrots love me as much as I love them.
You are just too close-minded for me, I’m not talking to you anymore.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 5:11 PM
No problem, NoDonkey. Hollywood types marry vegetables all the time…
HornetSting on January 16, 2009 at 5:12 PM
You seem to not understand how marriage laws work. No one gets jailed over it. The government simply doesn’t honor the contract.
While that’s certainly true of many religious people, the ones most on display right now are the anti-Prop 8 mobs.
Esthier on January 16, 2009 at 5:12 PM
April is so “with it” that on an Ann Coulter thread she freaked out because Ann wore what April described as a black cocktail dress on a morning show. Obviously it wasn’t her real problem with Miss Coulter but it was still funny.
Cindy Munford on January 16, 2009 at 5:12 PM
Nurse Ratched is a fashion consultant too?
Is there anything she can’t do?
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 5:14 PM
I believe that you believe this to be true. I wish you every happiness. Since there is only one way I can imagine you deriving sexual gratification from a carrot, I will buy you a pot of vaseline for a wedding gift.
LimeyGeek on January 16, 2009 at 5:14 PM
After Noneya’s racist rants against Baldilocks, I hope that, after calling her on it, I did not hurt Noneya’s feelings.
Johan Klaus on January 16, 2009 at 5:14 PM
Really? Really? What would it prove to “get married anyways.” That you love each other? You need the state to say you love each other and want to be together forever?
Because, again, every single right marriage affords can be obtained by passing new laws or using the laws we already have, without calling it marriage. So the goal must be to make marriage PURELY a state institution, not a religious one, therefore lessening it’s value for those who hold religious beliefs. No Christian ever said a gay partner shouldn’t be able to visit their partner in the hospital or inherit their worldly possessions. Yet the gay movement wants to tell us that marriage, recognized by the state in recognition of it’s importance in orderly growth in the population, is a civil right.
I’m not for denying anybody civil rights, I’m for marriage being defined as between a man and a woman. Civl rights can be obtained without marriage. The gay movement wants to make sure “April has Two Mommies” is read to kindergartners, not “have the same rights as heterosexuals.” Hundreds of years of social science has shown that hormones cause sexual confusion until the end of puberty, so the gay movement wants to capture as many kids as possible, before they can get into heterosexual relationships.
The movement is all about this.
PastorJon on January 16, 2009 at 5:14 PM
That’s funny, that’s exactly what I bought for the gay ceremony I attended.
Thanks! I can re-gift next time.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 5:15 PM
The truth is that the Left has used this argument even before the GOP did.
Politics is stupid.
Esthier on January 16, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Thanks, JAM.
I know that I agree with most your posts on other subjects so I’m happy to see that you bring the same reasoning to this one. Our disagreement on gay marriage will probably end up being sort of like the drug legalization debate – more complex but with a lot of the same basic issues.
progressoverpeace on January 16, 2009 at 5:17 PM
I understand just fine. There are any number of ways that one can construct a ‘contract of marriage’ to bind the lives of two people together. Potentially, this could lead to any number of ways that there could be legal challenges resulting in fines or jailtime. I am suggesting doing whatever it takes to force this confrontation.
LimeyGeek on January 16, 2009 at 5:17 PM
How very thoughtful and considerate.
LimeyGeek on January 16, 2009 at 5:18 PM
Surely you are not a bigot, that is saying that muslims commit terrorist acts.
Johan Klaus on January 16, 2009 at 5:18 PM
I don’t think she has any.
HornetSting on January 16, 2009 at 5:19 PM
Sure she does.
Vielen Dank, Johan.
baldilocks on January 16, 2009 at 5:19 PM
Since when do contracts that can be enforced break the law? A contract that breaks the law is unenforceable. I can have a verbal agreement with my drug dealer that he provide me with the drugs I want with the money I already paid him, but if he just stops returning my calls, I can’t sue him for breach of contract.
Like beating up old ladies and sending power to the LDS?
Been there, done that, and it’s only hurting the cause. Maybe this time actually debating the issue like adults would help, though it always seems to be the last resort in this country.
Esthier on January 16, 2009 at 5:22 PM
Tom Hanks can blow me!
sabbott on January 16, 2009 at 5:22 PM
Or say, voting on it….oh, wait.
HornetSting on January 16, 2009 at 5:23 PM
It has always been between one man and one woman. A man with three wives has three marriages. The wives aren’t married to each other.
Do you get as upset about the fact that a man and a woman can’t get a domestic partnership license (usually) as you do about the fact that a man and a man can’t get a marriage license?
Bobbertsan on January 16, 2009 at 5:24 PM
Wow. I didn’t read that thread. I’ve never seen you tell someone to f- themselves, though I’m not surprised she got to you. The say she acts as though all blacks need to step in line with the Democrats… it reminds me of how I felt when I read that Sarah Palin and I aren’t “real” women.
People who only see the world in such black and white terms have a hard time coming up with valid arguments anyway.
Esthier on January 16, 2009 at 5:26 PM
I have no apologies for the following statement:
I will not stand still whilst the legions of sexually demented faggots and lesbians demand that I allow my children and grandchildren to be indoctrinated by the whores of society.I work hard, pay taxes, and I demand that my legislators stand firm against this behaivor.IT IS MY RIGHT AND MY OBLIGATION TO OBJECT TO THAT WHICH I DO NOT BELIEVE IN, AND IF ANYONE DOESN’T LIKE IT, I DON’T GIVE A DAMN.
UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on January 16, 2009 at 5:27 PM
Are you claiming to be a Republican? Are you the same person that the press interviews who claims to be a “life long Republican” and then goes on denounce everything that the republicans stand for? Can I have your autograph?
Johan Klaus on January 16, 2009 at 5:27 PM
You’re worried about your children and yet you have no problem calling others “f@ggots”?
And are you aware that capitalist doesn’t have an “O” in it?
Esthier on January 16, 2009 at 5:33 PM
I’m a flawed human being. Cast the first stone.
Muslims commit terrorist acts….so do catholics, protestants, whites, blacks, and pretty much any demographic you can think of, I guess. What’s your point?
LimeyGeek on January 16, 2009 at 5:34 PM
Uh, I thought Hollyweird types married gerbils…?
Liberty or Death on January 16, 2009 at 5:40 PM
If Hornet’s a newcomer you’re not an idiot.
DarkCurrent on January 16, 2009 at 5:42 PM
Maybe I’m not remembering your posts on other subjects correctly, as you are exhibiting an immense amount of relativism, here (not taking percentages, frequency, cultural support, or intention (offensive or defensive) driving such acts into account)?
progressoverpeace on January 16, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Hanks is an ass.
End of story.
Ryan Gandy on January 16, 2009 at 5:45 PM
I saw it mentioned earlier but worth repeating. Hey Tom, what about all the African Americans who voted against it too. Why aren’t you harping on them?
Libtard @sshat.
Hog Wild on January 16, 2009 at 5:46 PM
Bitte schoen,
Johan Klaus on January 16, 2009 at 5:46 PM
The problem here is everyone is so P.C. they forgot how to stand up for what they believe in.
I havn’t, and if I offend you, I still dont give a damn
p.s.
1. capitolist One who believes one should make as much money as inhumanly possible by any means necessary. Commonly followed by “pig”.
Capitolists are not sympathetic to the poor because they believe that because THEY became rich, anyone can. They believe that poor people are just lazy.
That capitolist pig!
UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on January 16, 2009 at 5:48 PM
Not helping.
sulla on January 16, 2009 at 5:50 PM
I, also, am a flawed person and I could have misunderstood your post.
Johan Klaus on January 16, 2009 at 5:50 PM
I too, am very fond of the Capitol.
You should see the new vistor’s center.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 6:00 PM
Meh…I hear it stinks.
Snowed In on January 16, 2009 at 6:03 PM
Don’t you have better things to do, Senator Reid?
On second thought, by all means, join us in discussion.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 6:06 PM
That makes no sense. You are trying to undo thousands of years of legal and cultural precedent by extra-legislative means (the tyranny of the minority!) and when the majority resists you call your opponents “spiteful, vicious, fascistic, thugs”.
But hey, I look forward to a cogent argument in favor of homo-polygamous marriage, because beyond the weak claim that “informed consent” alone is enough reason to sanction “marriage”, I’m can’t think of one.
Buy Danish on January 16, 2009 at 6:08 PM
Arggh. [I] can’t think of one.
Buy Danish on January 16, 2009 at 6:09 PM
I am not a Far Right loon – if that is what you are implying.
AprilOrit on January 16, 2009 at 6:10 PM
Harry Reid is disgusting.
AprilOrit on January 16, 2009 at 6:11 PM
I’ll bite, what kind of loon are you then?
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 6:12 PM
A very Moderate – Middle of the Road loon not.
AprilOrit on January 16, 2009 at 6:16 PM
Are you an ex Democrat – they are always the most extreme.
AprilOrit on January 16, 2009 at 6:17 PM
Just “very” moderate, or extremely moderate … radically moderate, maybe? Moderately moderate?
progressoverpeace on January 16, 2009 at 6:19 PM
Stop, you know my story – and please, enough about me already.
AprilOrit on January 16, 2009 at 6:23 PM
Give it up, cheese eater. Republicans don’t chant “God damn America” in their churches.
Buddahpundit on January 16, 2009 at 6:24 PM
zzzzZZZzzzzz…snork…Oh yeah…what the discrimination again? I don’t think that was ever clarified.
Itchee Dryback on January 16, 2009 at 6:31 PM
I told LimeyGeek to FOAD for having a cow when I asked him why he thought a certain way about that Bay area shooting situation. (Not trying to start up again with you, LG. At least not this time.)
Many people here seem to hold preconceived about the way they think members of certain groups think and behave. Let’s just say that I’m intolerant to being stereotyped.
However, we shouldn’t be surprised that Leftists like Noneya do not believe in individualism.
baldilocks on January 16, 2009 at 6:32 PM
yes, an extreme ex-Democrat, exactly.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 6:32 PM
zzzzZZZzzzzz…snork…Oh yeah…whats the discrimination again? I don’t think that was ever clarified.
Itchee Dryback on January 16, 2009 at 6:32 PM
I thought Dems and libs always cried when you questioned their patriotism??
How odd. When the New York Times releases information about how our government is fighting the terrorists,, when Senators call our troops Nazi’s and make other statements that encourage our enemies,, that’s not being Un-American. Supporting the sanctity of marriage, though, is.
I know he’s not making any movies anymore,,, but I quit watching these guys when they start opening their mouths and telling us what they think and what we ought to think.
It’s like,,, just sing, dance, act whatever,,, and then shut up. You’re just not that important. You’re an actor.
JellyToast on January 16, 2009 at 6:33 PM
A gay man can’t marry a gay man.
Nor can a hetro man marry a hetro man.
Mix and match and you can’t do that either.
Got it straight?
Good. That’s the way it’s supposed to be.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 6:34 PM
They cry for lots of insipid reasons, that’s why they’re Dems and libs.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 6:35 PM
Thanks ND, I dozed off.
Gays can marry, a gay man can marry a gay woman and vise versa. So why don’t they shut up already?
Itchee Dryback on January 16, 2009 at 6:40 PM
It’s kind of what they do. They don’t like football.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 6:41 PM
Dissent is Patriotic.
Until the morally self righteous liberals hold “everyone” to their standards,they have no credibility on this issue.
Obama is against gay marriage due to his religious beliefs.
Hillary is against gay marriage.
Biden is against gay marriage.
(they are all self professed Christians also).
Muslims are against homosexuality period.
Black community overwhelmingly is against gay marriage.
Latino community is overwhelmingly against gay marriage.
This bogus line about “well the mormons put up more money for Prop 8″ is nothing but spin to justify their selective
outrage.
Since when is money a “moral compass” or the determiner of right and wrong.To say that people voted against gay marriage because the mormons put up more money is to insinuate that we are stupid and don’t have the ability to reason.
When liberals start vandalizing and assaulting the people at black/hispanic church’s and Mosque’s.
Marching carrying signs calling them “homophobes” and “bigots”.
When liberals start protesting against Obama,the leader of this country ,Hillary,the Sec. of State,and Biden,the VP,
then maybe they will have some credibility.
Right now all they are showing the Nation is that they are closed minded,bigoted,political hacks that want to hold everybody else up to standards they can’t support themselves.
Tell us Mr. Hanks,is this man “Un-American”:
The difference, Mr. Obama has told them, is religion.
As a Christian — he is a member of the United Church of Christ — Mr. Obama believes that marriage is a sacred union, a blessing from God, and one that is intended for a man and a woman exclusively, according to these supporters and Obama campaign advisers.
Just another crazy,religious fascist trying to push his Christian cultism on this nation right liberals.
OOHHH….Sorry…my fault.
He has a (D) beside his name.
Nothing to see here.Lets go show our intelligence and tolerance by vandalizing and assaulting Christians:
Whoa!!!
How Progessive!!!!
Yea right Mr. Hanks,nice to see you supporting “real Americans” here.
Maybe next you can tell all of us how un-American we are for calling Ayers a “domestic terrorist” when really he is just a misunderstood Professor guilty of a little vandalism.
Can liberals possibly lower the bar any further.
Baxter Greene on January 16, 2009 at 6:46 PM
And that the CIA injected AIDS/crack into the black community, don’t forget that.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 6:49 PM
This I know – I am a Republican, born and bred.
AprilOrit on January 16, 2009 at 6:50 PM
What he said.
Itchee Dryback on January 16, 2009 at 6:51 PM
Link for this story on the tolerant,intelligent,and now very
patriotic Prop 8 protesters.
Baxter Greene on January 16, 2009 at 6:51 PM
That was a major conspiract theory here in NYC in the 80s by ACT-UP.
They would put posters up all over Manhattan – especially downtown – about AIDS being started by Reagan in a petrie dish in Fort Meade or was it Fort Deitrich, MD? One of them.
I remember seeing them all over the Village back then.
I will try to find a picture of an example – there are several books about the grafitti art – and all of those posters from that time.
AprilOrit on January 16, 2009 at 6:59 PM
i was referring to HIV/AIDS, not crack – and in the GAY community. The black community ran with the story and streamlined it to work for them.
AprilOrit on January 16, 2009 at 7:00 PM
Oh, I thought you were implying that it is wrong to call people unAmerican if they attend churches where chants of “God Damn America” take place. Perhaps I misread your sentiment.
Buddahpundit on January 16, 2009 at 7:03 PM
No, what I said was it all seems to be in reverse. I was referring to those being called UnAmerican who didn’t support George Bush’s big government spending, actually it was more about the war.
I wasn’t referring to black churches at all.
Now Tom Hanks is doing the same thing – he and Sean Penn and the rest of them criticized The Right for doing.
So what’s new….
AprilOrit on January 16, 2009 at 7:11 PM
racist, sexist, homophobic scum. meet today’s GOP!
as an individual, baldy, you are doing your community a disservice by ganging up with the racists here who would love to bring you back to living under jim crow just as they love to keep us gays “separate but equal” (actually most christian taliban here would love to treat us as their muslim counterparts do). you must really hate yourself and your race to team up with these right-wing religious bigots.
Noneya on January 16, 2009 at 7:14 PM
LimeyGeek on January 16, 2009 at 4:56 PM
“Gays need to ignore prop8 and get married anyway. Let us see the prosecutions. Let us see people behind bars. Let us make it quite clear that, in America, the morality of one group can subjugate and imprison another.“
I love this part of it. Don’t you see the irony of it?
“Times like these really reveal the
religious subsetgay thugs that are nothing more than spiteful, vicious, fascistic thugs.” Fixed it for you.I couldn’t let it go any longer without pointing that out. I sure have enjoyed this comment thread.
sugarandsass on January 16, 2009 at 7:14 PM
So, do you really believe that “capitolist” is a Republican, considering the content of his other posts, or are you just spreading more lies?
malclave on January 16, 2009 at 7:15 PM
Like this craziness –
They always blamed him for their filthy irresponsible behavior.
It’s like – give us a break, take responsibility for your actions.
AprilOrit on January 16, 2009 at 7:18 PM
yup
Noneya on January 16, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Proof, please, or I’m forced to conclude that this is another of your lies.
Of course, since you admit that you think it should be legal for someone to kill the nieces and nephews you claim to “adore”, as long as their deaths serve the purpose of getting explosives close enough to kill US servicemembers, I doubt you can support ANY statement you make with reason.
malclave on January 16, 2009 at 7:19 PM
So you agree then that the Rev. Wright is unAmerican?
Buddahpundit on January 16, 2009 at 7:22 PM
wtf are you talking about?
Noneya on January 16, 2009 at 7:28 PM
You are not helping your cause. I agree with you that in a few short years (barring a court turn over) gay marriage will probably be the law of the land. So why make enemies of people who disagree? Do you attach these insults to members of the gay community who don’t approve of gay marriage? No group is monolithic.
Cindy Munford on January 16, 2009 at 7:30 PM
Noneya – I live in NYC, born and raised – and am not a sexist, racist and can guarantee you – I am no way/no how homophobic. I know peole first hand who lost people to AIDS and who died from it.
But they are still not taking responsibility for their behavior. I was opposed to President Bush’s AIDS funding because here in NYC we still have men having unsafe sex – on purpose. Some of them waant to be infected – and it’s disgusting. They call them bug chasers.
Why are we funding this behavior?
When President Bush gave a press conference a few years back after giving the additional funding one lone reporter from the newspaper in San Francisco asked him about the “bug chasers’ and he had no idea what the hell he was talking about. Nor did any Republican there and they blew the reporter off.
I am all for supporting the sick and suffering – but not when they are doing it to themselves.
I think if Middle America was really tuned into to this irresponsible behavior like we are in NY and San Francisco, they would not have such a problem with the marriage subject.
Gay Marriage seems to works against this irresponsible renegade behavior of these promicuous bug chasers, and it promotes committed monogamous relationships, which is a good thing. I do not really have a problem with it.
AprilOrit on January 16, 2009 at 7:34 PM
I’m just fighting fire with fire, babe.
Noneya on January 16, 2009 at 7:34 PM
You stated that Mormons exercising the right to vote is equivalent to Islamic terrorism.
If you believe that law-abiding citizens should be legally allowed to vote, then you believe that acts of terrorism using children as bait (or even bombs) should be legal.
If you do NOT believe that law-abiding citizens should be allowed to vote, then you believe in a totalitarian state which can do whatever it wishes. Including killing children.
Either way, you are on record as supporting making killing children legal.
malclave on January 16, 2009 at 7:36 PM
Sure there’s irresponsible members of the community, just as there are in the hetero community *cough*Bristol Palin*cough* but I’m not trying to stop her from getting married, am I?
Noneya on January 16, 2009 at 7:37 PM
And believe me, there are many gay men who are opposed to gay marriage – they find it revolting and against their whole agenda. Or that original agenda that their movement was based on.
My mother’s hairdresser thinks it’s ridiculous.
AprilOrit on January 16, 2009 at 7:37 PM
wow, you are way off the reservation….
Noneya on January 16, 2009 at 7:37 PM
Self-loathing is a horrible thing, too bad so many conservatives (Ted Haggard,Larry Craig) feel this way and cannot be who they really are.
Noneya on January 16, 2009 at 7:39 PM
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