Tom Hanks: Prop 8 supporters are “un-American”
posted at 1:13 pm on January 16, 2009 by Allahpundit
The boss wonders when, precisely, it became “progressive” again to level this charge against one’s opponents. Hasn’t it always been? Just in the past few months, we’ve seen Pelosi toss it at TARP naysayers and Jennifer Granholm fling it at critics of the auto bailout. Given Biden’s framing of the economic crisis as an emergency equivalent to war, I expect to hear from Harry Reid any day now that opposing the stimulus is quasi-treason.
“The truth is this [show, "Big Love,"] takes place in Utah, the truth is these people are some bizarre offshoot of the Mormon Church, and the truth is a lot of Mormons gave a lot of money to the church to make Prop-8 happen,” he told Tarts. “There are a lot of people who feel that is un-American, and I am one of them. I do not like to see any discrimination codified on any piece of paper, any of the 50 states in America, but here’s what happens now. A little bit of light can be shed, and people can see who’s responsible, and that can motivate the next go around of our self correcting Constitution, and hopefully we can move forward instead of backwards. So let’s have faith in not only the American, but Californian, constitutional process.”
Rusty’s pithy rebuttal: “Also un-American by this definition? Americans.” Exit question one: Anything “un-American” about Jerry Brown’s attempt to have a constitutional amendment declared unconstitutional? Exit question two: How far, in his immaculate American-ness, would Hanks be willing to go to make sure “people can see who’s responsible”? This far?
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When did marriage become a right?
JAM on January 16, 2009 at 3:57 PM
Your brilliant discourse has convinced me, when I get the opportunity to vote on Prop 8 I will seek your guidance.
Does Yes mean “Tastes Great” and No mean “Less Filling”, or is it the other way around?
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 3:57 PM
STFU Tom Hanks. Another Hollywood jackal trying to push the agenda.
Boycott these jokers at the box office.
FireBlogger on January 16, 2009 at 3:59 PM
52% are, yes, compared to 60% just eight years earlier on the last gay marriage vote. luckily the old bigots are dying off and the millenials support gay marriage by 2 to 1, so victory is not far off. sadly, battles against bigots like yourself must be waged in the interim.
Noneya on January 16, 2009 at 3:59 PM
still lost.
HornetSting on January 16, 2009 at 4:00 PM
indeed, but unlike the GOP, the future of gay marriage is bright.
Noneya on January 16, 2009 at 4:05 PM
This is just a ploy by the gift shops and the wedding industry, to ruin more football weekends.
How about just banning all weddings?
I mean, I had a blast at mine but I’d be cool with having my weekends free in the future.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 4:06 PM
Heh. Noneya, who is the poster child of bigotry, accuses someone else of being a bigot.
Methinks she doth protest too much.
malclave on January 16, 2009 at 4:06 PM
I am for the “progression” of the human species.
Buy Danish on January 16, 2009 at 4:06 PM
In this post, Cicero43 covers basicaly my position on the matter. A fair definition of law (in general) would be codified intolerance. So, Tom Hanks seems to have outed himself as an anarchist. Does he own copyrights? I wonder how feels about the codified intolerance for people using his intellectual property without paying him royalties?
Jens on January 16, 2009 at 4:06 PM
So is a nuclear explosion.
Gay marriage = Hiroshima. Noneya admitted it.
malclave on January 16, 2009 at 4:08 PM
So am I, it’s a shame religion holds humanity back
Noneya on January 16, 2009 at 4:09 PM
You can’t breed. I’d say the future is dim, kind of like you, noneya.
HornetSting on January 16, 2009 at 4:09 PM
This is another thread that’s getting ruined by the back and forth with the troll Noneya.
I’ll never respond to him/her/it again.
Back to the very serious stuff:
I hear Tom is working on the enlightened sequels “Forest Gump H*mps R*mps” to be followed by “Band of Brothers Wants Each Other – A Love Story.”
CarolynM on January 16, 2009 at 4:10 PM
Holding back is still better than the absolute cessation of procreation, which is what you advocate.
malclave on January 16, 2009 at 4:10 PM
Good point. By definition, anything you have to get a license for is a privilege.
Maxx on January 16, 2009 at 4:12 PM
Really? I was thinking that things like rape, torture, murder and the slaughter of innocents was at least a little worse.
Thanks for schooling me.
So Democracy is now the same as terrorism? If that how you justify the attacks on little old ladies?
Historically speaking, gays have no history of marriage to compare, and as far as the sound mind is concern, in the past that was debatable.
Besides, if we’re talking about legal marriages in the US, they would all require people who can legally sign a contract, which would exclude the insane and the too young.
I honestly don’t get people who are only for gay marriage but not for opening up marriage to everyone. Otherwise, you’re still discriminating.
And yet you spew racist things here and hide behind nothing. Is that supposed to be better?
Esthier on January 16, 2009 at 4:13 PM
I disagree, her grim, self-righteous stupidity is fodder for endless mocking.
I for one, welcome our newest dopey troll.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Hornet, you might want to get up to speed regarding modern “breeding” techniques. Gay folk can, and do, “breed”.
dakine on January 16, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Is religion to blame for biology? Oh well, I suppose we can rest assured that if things get really grim, we can always put mankind on the endangered species list.
Buy Danish on January 16, 2009 at 4:18 PM
like I said, the millenials support gay marriage by 2 to 1, each new generation is much more accepting.
cessation of procreation? wtf? when did i say that? there’s plenty of straights to go around, honey….
Noneya on January 16, 2009 at 4:18 PM
Exactly and my Turkey Baster stock is just jumpin’ off the charts right now!
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Do you need the bird and the bees talk again, dakine?
HornetSting on January 16, 2009 at 4:21 PM
Hmmm.
I’m thnking about going back and lookinag at Mr. Hanks’ seminal work “Mazes and Monsters” again. I’m sure these new insights into the actor will add layers of nuance to the character.
malclave on January 16, 2009 at 4:21 PM
The simplicity of thought expressed in this statement is mind blowing. A typical anti-theist sees theism as the cause of all problems just like a typical anti-semite sees those dirty Joooooos behind every catastrophe. Say hi to Courtney Love for me.
TheUnrepentantGeek on January 16, 2009 at 4:21 PM
Who are these “millenials” of whom you speak? It sounds like something out of Star Trek or something.
Buy Danish on January 16, 2009 at 4:21 PM
I think by “culture” we mean different things. I’m talking about food, religion and dress, things you see in a country’s people that is uniquely theirs.
Governments come and go, but often the underlying culture remains.
Esthier on January 16, 2009 at 4:22 PM
That old bigot threw herself in the fire, she’s lucky she just got yelled at and a styrofoam cross ripped from her hand.
Past being the key word there.
What racist things? I remember plenty of slurs in that thread, none of them uttered by me, just by you good christian folk.
Noneya on January 16, 2009 at 4:22 PM
Yep, they are the Klingons on Uranus.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 4:23 PM
I agree, noneya is entertaining.
HornetSting on January 16, 2009 at 4:23 PM
The 2000 generation.
Esthier on January 16, 2009 at 4:23 PM
yeah she’s on her way over we’re gonna shoot up, i will be sure and give her your regards.
Noneya on January 16, 2009 at 4:24 PM
The ones that cry at work when a boss yells at them or something goes wrong…..everyone gets a trophy generation…Obama koolaid drinkers.
HornetSting on January 16, 2009 at 4:24 PM
You obviously hate heterosexuality and everything that includes, include children.
When you equated people voting with muslim terrorists, you validated any
misrepresentationinterpretation of your remarks that anyone else wants to make.malclave on January 16, 2009 at 4:24 PM
There are other matters involved in comparison. Subjective, inserting “sound mind” as insanity was not being argued in the thread.
Today’s contemporary morality is hardly as homosexually permeated as the culture of ancient Greece where it was the norm for a man to have a sexual relationship with a boy as well as with a wife. But the marriage was between one man and one woman in “civilized” cultures. Even Abraham had only one wife; her maid was his concubine. That she allowed Abraham sexual relations with her maid begat an enmity that remains to curse the earth today, as an aside comment. A concubine is not a wife. A wife has legal rights and legitimate status, particularly regarding offspring, that the concubine does not have. A concubine is merely “the other woman” that the man keeps for pleasure, but whose children are illegitimate, and lack legal standing regarding property rights, etc. In ancient Greece, the boy sufficed for the concubine substitute; the homosexual relationship prevented illegitimate pregnancies that a concubine would deliver.
Polygamy, imho, is a bastard’s excuse to abuse the rights of women. There is no legitimate place for polygamy in America. Democrats may not agree with that; but Republicans initially organized to refute the emotional heartbreaks and social injustices that polygamy and slavery produce. There were no Mormon Republicans when the GOP began. That Mormons chose (by federal force) to convert to monogamy and eventually to the GOP is noted along with their original conversion into communism and then back to capitalism.
History makes for such intrigue and suspense and drama. It’s a shame that those who produce movies promote their own agenda via tunnel vision.
maverick muse on January 16, 2009 at 4:25 PM
Noney, you like to trow out figures from time to time. Here are some Facts:
Massacusetts allows gay marriage. All other states specifically forbid it except for New York, which recognizes same-sex marriages performed elsewhere, and Rhode Island, where state law is silent on the subject.
Homosexuals constitute at most 5%, according to experts, of the population of America.
Recent surveys conducted show that 90 % of Americans believe in God.
These figures are easily found on the Internet.
kingsjester on January 16, 2009 at 4:26 PM
My heterosexual friends and the nieces and nephews I adore will be shocked to learn this.
Religious bigotry takes many forms, some more lethal than others, but hate is hate.
Noneya on January 16, 2009 at 4:27 PM
So she deserved to be attacked. It’s nice to know you feel that way. If that’s the case, then certainly you’ve thrown yourself into the fire, especially if we’re as bigoted as you say we are.
You have no right then to complain when someone hurls a gay slur at you.
And yet you’re discussing the past in regards to polygamy. You can’t have it both ways.
If you’re going to keep slandering me, it might help if you could prove I said something racist.
You on the other hand have decided that blacks cannot think for themselves and likened black Republicans to Jewish Nazis. As I said on the other thread, that’s the written equivalent of throwing Oreos at them, only it takes less courage.
Esthier on January 16, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Google IVF Hornet. Keep the day job by the way…you’re really not that funny.
dakine on January 16, 2009 at 4:28 PM
It’s amazing how long that crusty old skank has lived, who would have thought.
I guess the premium heroin kills you a lot slower than the drano stuff, so be safe, Nano.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Not trying to be, dakine. BTW, don’t really want nor do I care about your Frankenstein way of getting knocked up…
HornetSting on January 16, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Perhaps, but not quite as much as all of you Far Right ahem – oldtimers.
You guys keep it real for me and i am sure a few others.
I have learned and now know – not how to be as I age.
Back off – she – like you – is entitled to her opinion.
AprilOrit on January 16, 2009 at 4:30 PM
I don’t know. I know they text all the time.
Esthier on January 16, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Why do you think it is that over thousands of years it has been so rare? Surely you cannot attribute all of it to bigotry.
Buy Danish on January 16, 2009 at 4:30 PM
As per TOM HANKS’ movie, is “Big Love” Hollywood’s latest effort to smear Romney’s political curb appeal?
maverick muse on January 16, 2009 at 4:31 PM
That you adore? Based on comments you’ve made over time, I have to conclude that you’re a liar when you say that. You equate the democratic process with blowing up a school bus or disfiguring or raping children.
And you are certainly an expert on expressing hate. Too bad you appear incapable of anythign positive.
malclave on January 16, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Would that be through procreation?
Johan Klaus on January 16, 2009 at 4:31 PM
oldtimers, huh? Not quite, honey.
HornetSting on January 16, 2009 at 4:32 PM
When will the Godless liberals learn that Marriage is a ‘Rite’, not a “Right”.
BiasedGirl on January 16, 2009 at 4:32 PM
You’re not that young sweetie. Didn’t you tell us you’ve been on the wagon for 15 years already?
For those that don’t know April, he/she/it is a composite internet character. He/she/it has a cyber-sister named Noneya. Any relation to real life individuals is purely accidental.
JiangxiDad on January 16, 2009 at 4:33 PM
HornetSting on January 16, 2009 at 4:32 PM
This is a
historichisteric moment. Both of these two on the thread as the same time.kingsjester on January 16, 2009 at 4:34 PM
And her silly opinions are fully entitled to be mocked incessantly.
Or she can scamper back to Daily Kos. I’d rather her stay, her stupidity is a real day brightener.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 4:34 PM
That every single last person on the Right is a racist, including the minorities who are just as bad as Jewish Nazis?
Legally entitled, certainly, but worthy of support?
Esthier on January 16, 2009 at 4:35 PM
I think she fell off that wagon and hit her head. I have seen her posts. Mealy mouth liberal hack. Keep it coming, honey.
HornetSting on January 16, 2009 at 4:36 PM
I’m sad to see this happening to Tom Hanks. I’v always liked him as an actor and he grew up in No Cal not far from where I did.
One would think after being in Saving Private Ryan and helping produce Band of Brothers he wouldn’t have become such a flaming liberal, but alas he as succumbed to the cool-aid…truly sad!
Liberty or Death on January 16, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Didn’t Hanks get his start on TV as a transdresser? Guess it stuck! And we are supposed to care what HE says? It’s time we stand with the Mormons. The minorities in CA did –in fact had more impact than the Mormons, but the devilish Hollywood liberals always try to divide and conquer, and they don’t dare attack African Americans and Hispanic
MexicansAmericansChristian Conservative on January 16, 2009 at 4:38 PM
Do you remember Baldilocks? Do you remember Baldilocks?
Johan Klaus on January 16, 2009 at 4:38 PM
Hornet, my “Frankenstein way of getting knocked up”? Seriously? Fortunately, my wife and I were able to conceive naturally and are blessed with 4 great kids. Lots of MARRIED, HETEROSEXUAL couples aren’t as lucky, however, and turn to IVF in order to have a family. “Frankenstein way of getting knocked up”, huh? Your little hard ass cop’s wife act is pretty tired. I’m not sure you’ve ever had anything original or meaningful to say on this board.
dakine on January 16, 2009 at 4:39 PM
As I’ve said before, she’s the greatest and most entertaining liberal satirist I’ve ever heard. I have praised her many times. “She” does indeed say the most amazing things.
I have long wondered who she is, and why she doesn’t come out of the closet (not that closet, if it still exists.) My money is on a bored Allahpundit.
JiangxiDad on January 16, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Then act your age, instead of like some old codger complaining about everything and anything that you don’t like.
Are you coming on to me – yet again?
I don’t remember addressing you in particular.
AprilOrit on January 16, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Dr. Frankenstein had a turkey baster?
I must have missed that part.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Romney has appeal?
Snowed In on January 16, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Well I myself don’t wear the ‘magic underwear”.
But what of it?
You know, I’m sure you’ve heard this lately, and probably often, but you’re kind of a prick.
I’m guessing you’re only here to provide comic relief & frustration.
Badger40 on January 16, 2009 at 4:41 PM
LOL
JiangxiDad on January 16, 2009 at 4:42 PM
Badger40 on January 16, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Can you call a gay woman that name? I’m just askin’…
kingsjester on January 16, 2009 at 4:42 PM
That’s right. Most married couples do it the old fashioned way, but yes, I am aware of IVF for infertile hetero couples.
My little hard ass cop’s wife act…huh. Well, if you are married to a cop, you have to be hard. My husband may not return from his job, so you can shove it.
I’m not sure that anyone really cares about what you have to say…..
HornetSting on January 16, 2009 at 4:42 PM
I think Allahpundit is really Noneya, trying to drive hits to the site.
I refuse to believe anyone who can type/use a computer can be this intentionally stupid.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 4:43 PM
It’s teh eeeeevil theiiiiisssstssss!!11! Them and their greedy hypocritical ways! They be stoppin’ human evolution (which will eventually end hate, for some reason)!
When all you’ve got is a hammer …
TheUnrepentantGeek on January 16, 2009 at 4:43 PM
The gay marriage movement is not about rights, human rights, civil rights, etc.
Every single right that the law grants by marriage can be granted to “domestic partnerships” or “civil unions.” Every single, every single right the law gives spouses can be gained with a trip to legalzoom.
Why does it have to be called marriage? Find some church that has tossed the Bible out the door and get married! Call it whatever you want!
The gay marriage movement is about changing the definition of a word. It’s not about rights. Those can all be obtained without getting married in the eyes of the state.
The anti-prop 8 people posting here are caught up in the rhetoric. There is no benefit gained by the state recognizing marriage that can’t be obtained right now, today, through a myriad of other ways. You anti-prop 8 need to look deep into the gay marriage movement and what this is really about is not gay rights, it’s about denegrating and lessening the values that OTHER PEOPLE hold. It’s about making what the majority of Americans value as a sacred institution just a legal status.
But then that’s the liberal pattern isn’t it? I don’t pay my taxes and it’s called a crime. Geithner doesn’t pay his taxes and it’s called a “hiccup”. Changing definitions to fit your ideology seems to be rule, just like PETA trying to get fish called “Sea Kittens”.
Marriage wasn’t created by man. It exists in society through religion to be between one man and one woman. Even plural marriages are between the opposite sex.
Voting yes on Prop 8 doesn’t mean you hate homosexuals. It just means you want to keep the definition of ONE WORD. I know for a fact that you could get the California Legislature to pass all the laws you need to provide every protection to gay couples that married couples have.
PastorJon on January 16, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Uh, you’re on a conservative website. Mind your own manners, liberal.
HornetSting on January 16, 2009 at 4:44 PM
It’s a free cuntry.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Well if this person really is a lesbian, then I would imagine such a person might actually like the name, considering they wish they had one.
Unless of course the one in question is the femmy one in the relationship.
But I digress. I really know nothing of homosexual preferences.
Badger40 on January 16, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Well, that’s just silly. Hanks played a cross-dresser trying to get free rent and make it with Donna Dixon. Not exactly the same type of lifestyle as we’re talking about here.
Snowed In on January 16, 2009 at 4:45 PM
OK-I admit-that’s funny.
Badger40 on January 16, 2009 at 4:45 PM
Then why is only she allowed to express it?
malclave on January 16, 2009 at 4:45 PM
Sorry “country”.
Where’s that darned edit feature when you need it.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 4:45 PM
What were YOU thinking about, nodonkey…. :)
HornetSting on January 16, 2009 at 4:46 PM
You knew what I meant…
Snowed In on January 16, 2009 at 4:46 PM
Well if this person really is a lesbian, then I would imagine such a person might actually like the name, considering they wish they had one.
Badger40 on January 16, 2009 at 4:41 PM
No offense, ma’am. But I guess they would have to have a certain attachment to it.
kingsjester on January 16, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Mama always said, Mormons are satanic baby-eaters with horns growing out of their heads.
The Ugly American on January 16, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Nothing, nothing. Just missed an “o”.
Coulda happened to anyone.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 4:48 PM
Limits are necessary for everything. This is something that liberals are unable to comprehend. The walls that confine you in your house serve to protect you. You look at the confinement when the reason for the walls is the protection. Heterosexual marriage is an institution that is built to protect society. It protects it from the dangers that are inherent in our biology, just as the walls of your house protect you from the dangers that are inherent in our physiology. The fact is that procreation is the most important aspect of the continuation of our species and the way that it is handled must be approached with the utmost of care. We are never more than one generation away from total extinction.
But instead of approaching the procreative situation with care, you trample all over it with stupidity, guilt, and raging self-hate. You never bother to consider any of the ancillary effects of the huge changes you propose in society, though you casually dismiss other changes which have already demonstrated themselves to have no negative impact on the procreative situation. In short, you have no logical arguments, just desires and tantrums.
I’m still waiting for you to answer my questions from the end of the last page. Take your time.
progressoverpeace on January 16, 2009 at 4:48 PM
You never want to miss the “o”.
HornetSting on January 16, 2009 at 4:49 PM
Oh, please Hornet. Save the righteous indignation. You come off as a tool and internet bully, and the fact that you’re married to a cop is no excuse. My sister is married to a FBI agent, and she’s the most decent person I know. Tough, for sure, but classy and mannered. You, on the other hand, are a foul-mouthed clown.
dakine on January 16, 2009 at 4:49 PM
So Noneya, are you the hot kind of lesbian in porno flicks or the grumpy, frumpy type found in, well, real life.
Not that it really matters. And I think I know already.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 4:49 PM
She’s Ann Coulter!
JiangxiDad on January 16, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Quick, call the Waaambulance.
HornetSting on January 16, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Like I said, keep the day job Hornet.
dakine on January 16, 2009 at 4:52 PM
You are obviously a newcomer with a big mouth – but we’ll let it slide. For the record I’m no liberal.
And who’s the real Liberal looking for a hand out of pity??
No one told you to marry a cop.
AprilOrit on January 16, 2009 at 4:53 PM
I thought this was about “Gay Marriage”, not “My marriage”.
Because if it’s the latter, I’ll have to go fetch Mrs. NoDonkey.
And if you don’t mind, I’m staying out of it.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Okay, that was funny NoD.
dakine on January 16, 2009 at 4:55 PM
You’re a real piece of work. If I read correctly, you’re one that has received the ire of many on this blog.
As far as pity, none needed here, only pity for you.
HornetSting on January 16, 2009 at 4:55 PM
So you are not complaining? You could have fooled me.
Johan Klaus on January 16, 2009 at 4:56 PM
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NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 4:54 PM
A nice bail of hay should do it, nodonkey. Maybe a ’77.
HornetSting on January 16, 2009 at 4:56 PM
The reality of what the bigoted masses have accomplished really needs to be shoved in their faces.
Gays need to ignore prop8 and get married anyway. Let us see the prosecutions. Let us see people behind bars. Let us make it quite clear that, in America, the morality of one group can subjugate and imprison another.
Times like these really reveal the religious subset that are nothing more than spiteful, vicious, fascistic thugs.
LimeyGeek on January 16, 2009 at 4:56 PM
I’ll be here all week, tip your bartenders and waitresses.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 4:56 PM
True dat Limey.
dakine on January 16, 2009 at 4:58 PM
So we’ll see scenes like we did in Texas with the polygamists? (that gay marriage supporters were, strangely, in favor of) Is that what you mean?
progressoverpeace on January 16, 2009 at 4:59 PM
i wish all of hollywood, and the like, would but a big permanent sock in it. i am so tired of hearing them spew about everything from abortion to neglected dogs and cats. it kills me how the very people who put out smut and call it artistic interpretation have named themselves the moral compass for the rest of us. how did they get so lucky as to be the enlightened ones? must be in the blue koolaid that i hate so much.
sandlin71 on January 16, 2009 at 4:59 PM
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