Tom Hanks: Prop 8 supporters are “un-American”
posted at 1:13 pm on January 16, 2009 by Allahpundit
The boss wonders when, precisely, it became “progressive” again to level this charge against one’s opponents. Hasn’t it always been? Just in the past few months, we’ve seen Pelosi toss it at TARP naysayers and Jennifer Granholm fling it at critics of the auto bailout. Given Biden’s framing of the economic crisis as an emergency equivalent to war, I expect to hear from Harry Reid any day now that opposing the stimulus is quasi-treason.
“The truth is this [show, "Big Love,"] takes place in Utah, the truth is these people are some bizarre offshoot of the Mormon Church, and the truth is a lot of Mormons gave a lot of money to the church to make Prop-8 happen,” he told Tarts. “There are a lot of people who feel that is un-American, and I am one of them. I do not like to see any discrimination codified on any piece of paper, any of the 50 states in America, but here’s what happens now. A little bit of light can be shed, and people can see who’s responsible, and that can motivate the next go around of our self correcting Constitution, and hopefully we can move forward instead of backwards. So let’s have faith in not only the American, but Californian, constitutional process.”
Rusty’s pithy rebuttal: “Also un-American by this definition? Americans.” Exit question one: Anything “un-American” about Jerry Brown’s attempt to have a constitutional amendment declared unconstitutional? Exit question two: How far, in his immaculate American-ness, would Hanks be willing to go to make sure “people can see who’s responsible”? This far?
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Actually, the current headline isn’t even accurate. He’s not calling Prop8 supporters un-American. He’s calling Mormons un-American and using Prop 8 as his justification.
Esthier on January 16, 2009 at 2:17 PM
You forgot to mention that Biden said paying increased taxes is the Patriotic thing to do… essentially calling everyone “unpatriotic” (or “un-American”) if they are opposed to tax increases.
Don’t you love how the left whines CONSTANTLY about us questioning their patriotism (when usually they’ve made the charge up themselves, so they can play victim), yet they feel free to constantly attack us using the terms they claim we attack them with? Suddenly I feel like reading Coulter’s latest book, which is all about the left playing victims while they’re really the constant victimizers.
RightWinged on January 16, 2009 at 2:19 PM
Tolerance, PFFFT.
I have no use for Hanks or anyone in his clique. I have no tolerance for idiots, and leftists that absolutely refuse to grow a brain and employ some logic into their philosophies top my list of the most useless creatures EVAH.
Spiritk9 on January 16, 2009 at 2:20 PM
Boo hoo, if you don’t like us conservatives, why don’t you get your democrat self over to kos. They miss you.
HornetSting on January 16, 2009 at 2:21 PM
Actually, I meant, “hard to care who has the moral ground.” Sorry I wasn’t more clear. I’m not too worried about what Tom is saying here, but the backlash against Mormons is a legitimate concern.
Esthier on January 16, 2009 at 2:24 PM
So now he thinks that many people giving $100 or $1000 is bad idea? Isn’t that what Obambi did? Got a lot of small donations from many, many people. That’s all the LDS did. Many people giving small donations. I know for a fact that a ex-LDS member, from Utah, who happens to be gay gave $1 million to the anti-prop side. Now that is a lot of money.
aggie13 on January 16, 2009 at 2:26 PM
The American culture has a remarkable capacity to change, but there are places it just doesn’t want to go, and gay marriage is one of them. There is an ongoing effort to destroy the old American culture and replace it with something else. That’s why it’s important for the elites to deploy people like Tom Hanks, to convince the majority of Americans the battle is already over, and anyone who continues to resist is “unpatriotic.”
It should be noted that this is not a cynical verbal ploy by Hanks – he really believes it. He is a citizen of a country he calls “America” that bears only a passing resemblance to the real one, and occupies a small amount of the same geographical territory. People that vote against his cherished causes really are “un-American” to him. This is why liberals react so violently to anyone who “questions their patriotism,” but feel free to make such accusations themselves. They know that traditional America has the power to swat them aside… as soon as we remember who we are, and who they are.
Doctor Zero on January 16, 2009 at 2:26 PM
Whats the discrimination?
Itchee Dryback on January 16, 2009 at 2:26 PM
Unlike the institution of heterosexual marriage, which isn’t a “core value”?
No one is “barring” Hanks from making ludicrous claims, nor is he “barred” from his ‘right’ to demonstrate to the majority (and even some of the minority) that he’s an idiot.
Buy Danish on January 16, 2009 at 2:26 PM
It’s a serious question NoDonkey. If there was a candidate who otherwise perfectly fit your criteria for POTUS, would you vote for such a candidate if he or she happened to be gay.
dakine on January 16, 2009 at 2:28 PM
Depends on the opponent.
They might be gay too.
Or a Democrat, which is far more disgusting than anything up to and including bestiality.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 2:34 PM
You’re certainly not bared, but it’s not very logical to do so. Things are generally classified as American, because Americans are associated with them, things like NFL, McDonalds and Apple Pie.
I would.
Esthier on January 16, 2009 at 2:38 PM
Tom Hanks claims we’re all guilty of “discrimination” angainst fetishists’ demands for state certification of their lifestyle.
Then he says he that people belonging to religions and races he disagrees should not be considered American citizens.
Obama’s supporters always said they wanted this country to become very, very different. I’m not sure I like where this is heading.
logis on January 16, 2009 at 2:42 PM
It’s superficialities like this, while innocent and apparently harmless, that ultimately erode the fundamentals of being American.
These are things that are characteristic of the American people, of American society, of American lifestyle….they have nothing to do with what it is to be an American.
LimeyGeek on January 16, 2009 at 2:43 PM
I would like to withdrawal my vote for Apollo 13 as one of the top 25 conservative movies, please?
kirkill on January 16, 2009 at 2:48 PM
I want to marry my grandmother. Get working on my “rights,” ACLU!
Metro on January 16, 2009 at 2:49 PM
I didn’t vote for Mr. Gump for the reason that it was Hanks…and I really think it could also be considered a liberal movie.
Tom Hanks is one of the greatest actors of the last 25 years, but he’s politically a dorkasaurus-erectis.
kirkill on January 16, 2009 at 2:50 PM
The guy who votes for the Indonesian to be Precedent of the United States is telling us what is American, or not? That’s interesting.
progressoverpeace on January 16, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Certainly but largely because we don’t have a culture the way many countries do.
Still, I can’t find a good case for deciding that the government determine what it is to be an American. The only qualification is being born here or legally immigrating. Knowing about politics, knowing your history and not discriminating aren’t really necessary.
Esthier on January 16, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Where, or where, is this idiot’s email address
so we can let him know just what kind of an imbecile he
truly is!!! Good actor or not, this is another BDDer!!
sharinlite on January 16, 2009 at 2:52 PM
So, that would mean that it’s patriotic to not pay your taxes just as the nominated Treasury Secretary? I like it!
kirkill on January 16, 2009 at 2:55 PM
A little racism, me thinks.
Johan Klaus on January 16, 2009 at 2:56 PM
I have to disagree with you here, we have a very distinct culture, but refuse to acknowledge it.
Freedom of Speech is a strictly American Idea… Freedom of Religion? same deal… Free Enterprise and holding the individual responsible… Limited Government…
Heck, even Hollyweird is part of our culture, and the entire world knows it.
What we are unwilling to do, is admit we have a culture, and then defend it. We say that others can come into our country, and bring their “beliefs” with them… even to the point of allowing Islamists to discriminate here (because its Cultural)….
200 years ago, you could not have gotten anyone to admit they had an accent… because everyone they knew except Foreigners talked like they did… same deal, American’s don’t understand we have a very distinct culture until they really start spending time in other countries…
Romeo13 on January 16, 2009 at 2:59 PM
Now Tom Hanks is added to my very long list of actors whom I will no longer watch.
And I really wanted to see The Davinci Code II. Damn!
CarolynM on January 16, 2009 at 3:00 PM
We don’t? What do you imagine is any different between the way US culture has/hasn’t developed and the way cultures develop in the rest of the world? Timeframe? Australia has a very distinctive culture, yet is a similar age to the US. Migration? Can’t make that claim with a straight face.
Quite so. The government has nothing to do with it.
Now I consider this the other way around. The legal definition of “a citizen” has everything to do with law (birth or naturalization). However, merely being a legal citizen of our country does not an American make, in my view. It goes far deeper than that….and very much requires an understanding of politics, history, philosophy to at least a level sufficient to cement in the mind why America is a profoundly unique nation in the history of mankind. They used to do this in “civics”, I understand, but this class is now a joke.
LimeyGeek on January 16, 2009 at 3:01 PM
Ours is not supposed to be a “self correcting constitution” or a living document or a guideline.
eucher on January 16, 2009 at 3:01 PM
That’s a good point about how to contact these actors. There are many, so many, that I’d like to send a letter or email to.
Anyone have any suggestions?
Breitbarts new website Big Hollywood should have links to all these actors where we can at least get an address to contact them directly. It’s not enough posting comments on conservative sites that the actors never read – let them gauge our reaction by their mailbox.
CarolynM on January 16, 2009 at 3:07 PM
Not only unamerican, but inhumane. wanting to dissolve the marriages of tens of thousands of happy, monogamous gay couples is cruelty at it’s worst.
Noneya on January 16, 2009 at 3:12 PM
I was waiting for “Saving Private Ryan II”.
I’ll probably have to settle with “Saving Private Ryan’s Privates”, but it won’t be the sam.e
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 3:13 PM
Mormons used the ballot box to impose their will much like the Islamists use terrorism to impose theirs.
Noneya on January 16, 2009 at 3:14 PM
What a drama queen…
CarolynM on January 16, 2009 at 3:16 PM
We don’t? The problem is that the Left doesn’t want us to have our own culture, primarily because it was largely formed by eeevil white Anglo Christian males. All other cultures are charming and to be preserved at all costs (with the most primitive tribe given equal stature with the most advanced and civilized) with the sole exception of our own, which is to be eradicated. Hence we get militant atheism, attempts to redefine marriage, and so forth.
Buy Danish on January 16, 2009 at 3:16 PM
Let me get this straight
DEMOCRATS Try to stop military shipments and call it patriotic
DEMOCRATS haul our own marines into court callign them murders on national tv (and call it patriotic)
DEMOCRATS aid and assist all the sworn enemies of the United states of america and call it patriotic
HOLLYWOOD AIDS and Helps Al-Quedia with its propaganda
and call it patriotic
DEMOCRATS tax the us citizens spending their money on illegals and muslims airlifted from muslims nations bankrupting the entire us economy and call it PATRIOTIC!!!
BUT
BUT….
BUT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
When US citizens vote AGAINST a perverted LAW because it contadicts both the BIBLE and ALL of our own laws
THEN the DEMOCRAT TRAITORS DARE TO CALL US
Un patriotic???
BULL CRAP..
ALL LIBERALS do not even know what country they belong too.
I really believe both democrats , hollywood and all liberals are actually ON the payroll of both
The communist party
Al quedia islamic terrorists..
SHUT THE HELL UP you pathetic pieces of GARBAGE..
jcila on January 16, 2009 at 3:17 PM
How long did you study to become this stupid?
You might be the first person ever to register a negative IQ, congratulations.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 3:17 PM
How do you know Noneya is a dude?
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 3:18 PM
My e-mail to Tom Hanks via FoxNews:
As a proud “Mormon-American” (you gonna’ make me where a patch on my clothes?), I find it funny that when a religious group defends the founding right of Separation of Church and State, said group becomes labeled “Un-American.” This has nothing to do with discrimination and everything to do about the rights of religious groups to hold to their beliefs, especially when religious groups participate in adoption services, or hold certain religious edifices sacred and used only for marriages between man and woman.
I guess California and 46 other states are peopled with Un-Americans, according to your definition. Get over it already, and stop lying to yourself about the reason this was voted down. It’s not about discrimination, it’s about the right to religious freedom from government persecution. Do your homework before mouthing off, here’s a start, a sourced site, straight from the horse’s mouth: http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/commentary/the-divine-institution-of-marriage
Legalizing same-sex marriage will affect a wide spectrum of government activities and policies. Once a state government declares that same-sex unions are a civil right, those governments almost certainly will enforce a wide variety of other policies intended to ensure that there is no discrimination against same-sex couples. This may well place “church and state on a collision course.” [16]
The prospect of same-sex marriage has already spawned legal collisions with the rights of free speech and of action based on religious beliefs. For example, advocates and government officials in certain states already are challenging the long-held right of religious adoption agencies to follow their religious beliefs and only place children in homes with both a mother and a father. As a result, Catholic Charities in Boston has stopped offering adoption services.
Other advocates of same-sex marriage are suggesting that tax exemptions and benefits be withdrawn from any religious organization that does not embrace same-sex unions. [17] Public accommodation laws are already being used as leverage in an attempt to force religious organizations to allow marriage celebrations or receptions in religious facilities that are otherwise open to the public. Accrediting organizations in some instances are asserting pressure on religious schools and universities to provide married housing for same-sex couples. Student religious organizations are being told by some universities that they may lose their campus recognition and benefits if they exclude same-sex couples from club membership. [18]
Many of these examples have already become the legal reality in several nations of the European Union, and the European Parliament has recommended that laws guaranteeing and protecting the rights of same-sex couples be made uniform across the EU. [19] Thus, if same-sex marriage becomes a recognized civil right, there will be substantial conflicts with religious freedom. And in some important areas, religious freedom may be diminished.
“Tolerance” and “Condone” are not synonyms.
tracinell on January 16, 2009 at 3:19 PM
LOL. Is this the new argument? Keep trying, moron. And I would guess that you are against polygamy, at the same time, while polygamy has a long history in just about every culture and gay marriage has NONE, zilch, zero, nada. Go read a history book some day and learn something.
You people think that you can just make sh!t up and, if you keep bleating on about it long enough you’ll wear people down. Well, the fact is that, instead of wearing people down by attacking one of the most fundamental parts of our culture, you are going to really piss people off.
progressoverpeace on January 16, 2009 at 3:20 PM
If Tom is willing to go back to the island, I’ll buy him another volleyball.
malclave on January 16, 2009 at 3:20 PM
Tradition is the friend of the people; and that makes it the enemy of the state.
“American” means whatever the media tells us it means from one moment to the next. And for this particular moment, that means Gay Marriage.
logis on January 16, 2009 at 3:21 PM
here come the personal attacks, what a shock. you religious bigots throw stones then hid behind your bibles, how very christian….
Noneya on January 16, 2009 at 3:21 PM
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 3:18 PM
Noneya is a female.
By the way, Precious, Mormons don’t cut your hands off for stealing or stone women to death for adultery.
kingsjester on January 16, 2009 at 3:21 PM
I call you royalty and you break down in tears. Don’t take it so hard.
Dry your eyes, pumpkin, Atticus Finch would be proud of what you did today.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 3:23 PM
Hmmm.
Mormons voting for Prop 8 is equivalent to people blowing up school buses, or throwing acid in the faces of girls who are trying to go to school?
Noneya, every time you post you come even closer to convincing me that my vote against Prop 8 was a mistake. Because if YOU support it, it must be bad.
malclave on January 16, 2009 at 3:24 PM
Well, I used to admire Hanks, guess I’m going to have to cross him off my list of actors I’m banning..
What a crock to blame it all on Mormons, what about the blacks and hispanics in Cali, TOM???? The stupid hollywood set needs to learn to SHUT UP AN ACT…
reshas1 on January 16, 2009 at 3:24 PM
Hey, NON.. Go to Huff Poo or Daily kos, see how they treat conservatives, then come back here and cry me a river.
reshas1 on January 16, 2009 at 3:26 PM
I wish they’d stop acting, too. It’s not as if it’s tough to find good actors. There are thousands of excellent actors, able to do it as well as, or better than, these morons.
progressoverpeace on January 16, 2009 at 3:26 PM
That reminds me of the song “I’m My Own Grandpa”
Johan Klaus on January 16, 2009 at 3:27 PM
Perhaps the reason the mormons are so anti-gay marriage is that they believe polygamy will be legalized next, then half their membership will intermarry and they’ll have far less families to get their funds from to buy their obscene lavish temples. Their church, like most others, are a money-grubbing sham after all…
Noneya on January 16, 2009 at 3:29 PM
Well duh!!! Isn’t that what we all use the ballot box for? And we don’t always win. Conservatives lost the presidential race and gays lost the Prop 8 race. See how that works?
Cindy Munford on January 16, 2009 at 3:30 PM
Which is called Government class now. The govt teacher that used to be at our school was fresh out of Indoctrination U.
He didn’t really teach govt. He used the class as a “debate” forum. Disgusting.
How many LDS (Mormons) do you really know? I mean those truly devoted to the church?
I find it interesting that you think it perfectly reasonable to equate us with terrorists.
WOW. I have met people like you. They are pretty scary.
Badger40 on January 16, 2009 at 3:30 PM
uh, ok i did and they describe you accurately, thanks.
Noneya on January 16, 2009 at 3:30 PM
Inbreeding explains a lot on this board….
Noneya on January 16, 2009 at 3:32 PM
Huh? Just address the issue that polygamy has a long cultural history and gay marriage doesn’t. Do you think that polygamy, with its long tradition, should be legalized? Let’s start there.
progressoverpeace on January 16, 2009 at 3:33 PM
I thought you indicated it was so they could behead people?
Are you at all capable of being consistent?
malclave on January 16, 2009 at 3:33 PM
Are you a Christian? The racist bile that you throw against Baldilocks is definitely not Christian. Does that make you a bigot? It definitely make you a racist.
Johan Klaus on January 16, 2009 at 3:34 PM
Right, it’s just terrible how they threaten to put people in jail if they don’t contribute to the church.
Unlike our tax system, which is entirely voluntary.
We have two choice: 1) Pay your taxes or 2) Go to jail, go directly to jail.
Freedom is great, isn’t it?
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 3:34 PM
Are you OK with polygamy with moslims.
Johan Klaus on January 16, 2009 at 3:36 PM
I’ve met enough, and the gay ones are shamed by their families even more than those raised catholic like myself. you wear magic underwear but we are the scary, crazy ones?
Noneya on January 16, 2009 at 3:37 PM
Noneya is okay with everything that is anti-conservative and anti-common sense.
HornetSting on January 16, 2009 at 3:38 PM
Welcome to the new world.
progressoverpeace on January 16, 2009 at 3:38 PM
You can translate drug-addled, infantile gibberish and the misspelled profanities, into English?
Maybe you can use your considerable skills to move out of the septic tank sucking profession, so you can quit your second job selling crack to kindergartners.
Not that I’m being judgmental or anything.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 3:38 PM
You underestimate us again. We want them dead. You’re such a softie.
JiangxiDad on January 16, 2009 at 3:39 PM
If you are ashamed of being gay, don’t blame it on your parents.
Johan Klaus on January 16, 2009 at 3:40 PM
You were raised Catholic?
What happened after you fell?
Wiccan?
Tree hugger?
Moon dancer?
Satanist?
Lawn jockey prostrator?
The mind reels.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 3:40 PM
ok yes, polygamy does. it also includes child brides and arranged wives, in which the women have no choice but to live that way. Gays who want to marry on the other hand, are of legal age and sound mind, so the 2 are hardly comparable.
Now, isn’t it true that marriage has evolved? and that marriage hasn’t always been between “one man and one woman” as you gay marriage opponents are so fond of saying?
Noneya on January 16, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Based on your expressed views, yes. Absolutely.
malclave on January 16, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Crackhead
HornetSting on January 16, 2009 at 3:41 PM
LOL. All liberals are shamed by their families. That’s why they are consumed by intense self-hate, to begin with, and is a necessity to be accepted by the left. You are some sick, sick people.
progressoverpeace on January 16, 2009 at 3:41 PM
And you have nambla. Noneya…hey, that rhymes.
HornetSting on January 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM
nope.
Noneya on January 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM
If I remember correctly from a previous thread, Noneya is a gay person who’s religious family doesn’t approve of the life style choices Noneya has made.
Cindy Munford on January 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM
Why are you so enamored with other peoples underwear.
Johan Klaus on January 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM
Tom Hanks can shove it.
Tom Blogical on January 16, 2009 at 3:43 PM
hey what do you think i am? a catholic priest?
Noneya on January 16, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Noneya -
Why do you suppose it is that even the Ancient Greeks, Ancient Romans, and the Spartans, did not have gay marriage?
Was it because they were “bigoted Christians”?
Buy Danish on January 16, 2009 at 3:44 PM
Stange how Tom states that discrimination is “un-American”, then proceeds to discriminate himself. Did he go after black people who voted for it, no? How about white christians, no? Fact is, he singled out one religion and called them Un-American because, get this, they feel homosexuality is wrong and they should not have a “right” to get married. Nowadays, this stance gets you called un-American?……..That creaking noise you here are the founding fathers rolling over in their graves.
kriscoleman on January 16, 2009 at 3:44 PM
What, being an idiot?
That is kind of hard to take.
I wouldn’t want my kid growing up to be one, nor would I want he/she to marry one.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 3:44 PM
No, just a dellusional asshat.
HornetSting on January 16, 2009 at 3:45 PM
No, public school teacher.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 3:46 PM
progressoverpeace on January 16, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Unless you have cool families like Bill Ayers and Bernedine Dohrn.
Cindy Munford on January 16, 2009 at 3:47 PM
So, it is OK with you for everyone to be gay except for priest?
Johan Klaus on January 16, 2009 at 3:47 PM
Wrong, moron. Polygamy includes nothing but multiple partners. The fact is that there is much more child abuse among gays than among polygamists (as polygamists have tons of wives, anyway).
But, since you have admitted that polygamy has a tradition and gay marriage does not, why are you not fighting for polygamous marriage before gay marriage? (And don’t try to pull that cr@p with the underage stuff, unless you are goig to be willing to analyze the gay community in the same way – and it will come out as far, far worse)
Not so much. The one man/one woman marriage has been the tradition for a long, long, long time. But, if you are deciding that you need to open up its definition, now, then the inclusion of past traditions should certainly come long before the introduction of totally new ideas, that have no history, whatsoever, anywhere.
So, explain to me again why you are against polygamy.
progressoverpeace on January 16, 2009 at 3:48 PM
Heh.
progressoverpeace on January 16, 2009 at 3:49 PM
so i can wear them on my head, obviously, sheesh…
Noneya on January 16, 2009 at 3:49 PM
Hanks is using the ballot to discriminate against his opponents. “I do not like to see any discrimination codified on any piece of paper,” his ass. He’d make toilet paper of the Constitution to self correct his urges.
As per a weird offshoot, actually, fundamentalists are originalists who refused revisionism of the urtext. Weird, yes. Offshoot, debatable. Losers, yes. Mainstream, obviously not. Hanks’ choice of words proves he’s not a historian, just a populist idiot who doesn’t read, just mimics his own brand of idolatrous self.
The obvious but missed lesson, beware in which document you place your faith, and to divine providence be true.
maverick muse on January 16, 2009 at 3:50 PM
here come the personal attacks, what a shock. you religious bigots throw stones then hid behind your bibles, how very christian….
Noneya
Yeah, no personal attacks in YOUR posts! Us religious bigots! LOL!
You are parody of yourself.
Like I said on another thread, you are a racebaiter & a hypocrite. Nothing you say is persuasive or engaging. Now run along w/the other incoherent KosKiddies…you embarrass yourself.
JAM on January 16, 2009 at 3:50 PM
NoDonkey, I’ll take your inability to answer my question in a mature and serious way as a “no”.
dakine on January 16, 2009 at 3:50 PM
How about boy scout leaders?
Johan Klaus on January 16, 2009 at 3:50 PM
Ever heard of Warren Jeffs, jackass? Polygamy vey much includes child brides and arranged wives, in which the women have no choice but to live that way. Gays who want to marry on the other hand, are of legal age and sound mind, so the 2 are hardly comparable.
Noneya on January 16, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Priestess?
Johan Klaus on January 16, 2009 at 3:51 PM
JAM, I think you’re basically correct in your assertion regarding Noneya, but the same could be said of “conservative” posters such as Hornet.
dakine on January 16, 2009 at 3:52 PM
That hurts.
You’re looking for maturity and seriousness on a Friday afternoon on an internet message board?
Good luck with that.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 3:52 PM
That explains everything.
Johan Klaus on January 16, 2009 at 3:53 PM
they were bigoted, yes, but luckily attitudes towards gays have improved over time. why are you against the progression of human rights?
Noneya on January 16, 2009 at 3:53 PM
Sorry, looks like the “progressive” state of California and its residents are against Prop 8 and your Progression of human rights crusade….
HornetSting on January 16, 2009 at 3:55 PM
i’m sorry, for prop 8.
HornetSting on January 16, 2009 at 3:56 PM
Is this really the standard you want to use, anecdotes to prove a point? I don’t think you want to go there, since I can pull out thousands of anecdotes about the gay lifestyle that would turn people’s stomachs. You’re going to lose on the anecdotal field, so I’d switch tactics … perhaps to trying a logical argument about statistics when you want to make cases in the aggregate.
LOL. How many polygamist bath houses have had to be closed down for health reasons? How much is AIDs spread by polygamists? How many polygamists abuse children, compared to gays? The numbers would not even be in the same ballpark. This is a losing battle you are fighting.
And polygamy invloves nothing but multiple partners, moron. That’s it, and that’s a fact. You have a problem with Jeff’s community (which you probably know nothing about, other than the “shock” headlines), not polygamy. Try using logic, if you are able.
progressoverpeace on January 16, 2009 at 3:57 PM
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