California goes bust: Tax refunds to be delayed
posted at 4:40 pm on January 16, 2009 by Allahpundit
Not just refunds, either. Welfare checks and student grants will be held back, too. Let it be a lesson to those of us who pay estimated tax, me most of all: In these trying times, don’t overpay.
Instead, ask yourself, “What would Tim Geithner do?”
The controller said the suspended payments could be rolled into IOUs if California still lacked sufficient cash to pay its bills come March or April.
“I take this action with great reluctance,” Chiang said at a news conference in his office. But he said that without action to close the deficit, “there is no way to make it through February unscathed.”
There’s a hitch with the IOUs, though:
In 1992, banks honored the state’s IOUs, cashing them on demand, and then receiving an additional 5% from the state when it made good on the obligations. In effect, the IOUs served the state as unsecured bridge loans from banks. But this time around, with credit tight and banks still feeling the impact of the fall meltdown in the financial services industry, it is not yet clear how banks will respond.
“Nobody’s making any decision whether ‘Bank X’ will take the IOUs as money or not,” said Brian Tobin, a Culver City based tax preparer.
I hereby formally open the pool on guessing which date California will be bailed out. I’ll take February 28. Exit question: Where’s the recall petition for Arnold?
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More failure from the liberals whose foreign and domestic policy work so well in the classroom and coffee shops but fail miserably in real life.
Just add NY,Detroit,Clevland,DC, to name a few that are run by the “smart ones” which are bankrupt,failing schools,and high crime rates.
But to be a liberal,all that matters is that you speak well
and tell everybody how smart you are.
Results are just a “distraction”.
We are going to have the next 4 years of nothing but “style over substance”
California and many Northern states have been seeing a mass exodus for years.
I live in NC and have seen an incredible increase of New Yorkers coming here to live because they can’t afford to live up North anymore.
I tell them to please not vote in the idiots here that ruined your state up there.
Unfortunately most are union loyalist.
This is a good example of what kind of failed leadership the “smart ones” bring to the table:
Go East, young man? Californians look for the exit
By MICHAEL R. BLOOD, Associated Press Writer Michael R. Blood, Associated Press Writer
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090112/ap_on_re_us/fleeing_california_3
Is there something left of the California dream?
“If you are a Hollywood actor,” Reilly says, “but not for us.”
Baxter Greene on January 16, 2009 at 5:52 PM
I think I’ll start a pitchfork store, there may be high demand from some of us sane Californians.
Sanjoboy on January 16, 2009 at 5:52 PM
And, if they shut down the gravy train, there goes most of Vivalaraza’s voting bloc.
califcon on January 16, 2009 at 5:53 PM
If CA were a person, it would be Dolly Parton, with Arnold and Pelosi being the big boobs up on the topside. LA would be where the enema tube goes, and San Diego, being still somewhat conservative, would be the clipped toenails.
Patrick S on January 16, 2009 at 5:54 PM
I grew up in CA and moved back here from VA/DC 3 years ago with my family. I love the weather, close proximity to beaches and all the comforts. Yes, the state is a basket case, but my local schools are great (much better than NOVA) and I’m enjoying 76 degree weather right now. Most of the people who left CA (like me and many of my friends) eventually return if they can.
SuzySanDiego on January 16, 2009 at 5:56 PM
Seems like there are quite a few Californians on Hot Air. Any others besides TSK9 in the Sacto area?
goat on January 16, 2009 at 5:56 PM
Arnold is the ultimate RINO, yet he is constrained by the biggest bunch of liberal idiots in the state legislature, so I cut him a little slack. He attempted to break the unions absolute hold on protecting mediocrity and has since surrendered to them.
Personally, I would only withold refunds for those making over half a million. Rich should pay more, right Hollywood?
PastorJon on January 16, 2009 at 5:57 PM
Pelosi, Boxer and Feinstein while loopy libs have nothing to do with state politics or our budget problems.
goat on January 16, 2009 at 5:58 PM
It’s gorgeous today, ain’t it? (Sorry, Ed.)
Patrick S on January 16, 2009 at 5:59 PM
Yeah, here in San Jose.only bright side that today is beautiful outside; 70 degrees outside that, everything else sucks.
Sanjoboy on January 16, 2009 at 6:00 PM
Patrick S on January 16, 2009 at 5:54 PM
Arnold lives in LA and NoCal is conservative away from the coastal strip beides Davis, Sacto and Tahoe
goat on January 16, 2009 at 6:01 PM
I meant Edmund G. Brown, Jr., the former Governor and current Attorney General of CA.
View from the office – ocean, and unusually two islands in the distance. It’s a miraculous place, climate and terrain wise, no doubt. Much to like here in northern S.D., especially you, Patrick S.
Entelechy on January 16, 2009 at 6:02 PM
Entelechy on January 16, 2009 at 6:02 PM
I don’t think Gov. Moonbeam Brown can run again can he
goat on January 16, 2009 at 6:06 PM
Yes, he can, and he will.
Entelechy on January 16, 2009 at 6:07 PM
Yeah, fair question.
We recalled Gray Davis for less cause than this.
God bless Tom McClintock.
He tried oh so hard to save CA, and the Republican Party, from Arnold.
Now both are ruined because of it.
Hawkins1701 on January 16, 2009 at 6:07 PM
Hey, a bright spot in the day. Manly Rash has a blog site up and running! Check it out.
califcon on January 16, 2009 at 6:08 PM
Didn’t he serve his two terms already?
goat on January 16, 2009 at 6:08 PM
Yes! The Heart of Screenland makes news once again!
unclesmrgol on January 16, 2009 at 6:08 PM
+10
califcon on January 16, 2009 at 6:09 PM
To be fair to Arnold though, that Democrat stranglehold on the legislature, and the union strong-arming that goes with it, has vexed CA governors for years.
Hawkins1701 on January 16, 2009 at 6:09 PM
califcon on January 16, 2009 at 6:09 PM
Well us Ca GOPers do have some of the best voices in Congress for fiscal sanity like Tom, Wally Herger, and John Campbell.
goat on January 16, 2009 at 6:15 PM
Great, California’s Jimmah back to fix things like he did in the 70′s. Who’ll be his Geo. Deukmejian (sp)?
thomasaur on January 16, 2009 at 6:15 PM
Sigh…I can only see Palomar Airport from my office. And flattery will get you positively everywhere with me, kind lady.
Very very true…but Arnold has turned into a “girlie-man” in his dealings with them.
Patrick S on January 16, 2009 at 6:16 PM
Hawkins1701 on January 16, 2009 at 6:09 PM
Arnold has held the line fairly well against most of the lib agenda, like taxes, gay marriage and drivers licenses for illegals.
goat on January 16, 2009 at 6:17 PM
This is all a big game of musical chairs. Except with piles of money instead of chairs. From here on out everyone is going to be grabbing all the money they can..and the person left standing (so to speak) will be the poor smucks who have tried to play by the old rules, of responsibility and saving your money for a rainy day, etc. etc. etc.
It used to be that competence was rewarded and we built complex machines and engineered systems. Now the “bright ones” can’t even run a bank. But they sure want to run the country.
r keller on January 16, 2009 at 6:18 PM
ahnold reminds me of Obama, arrogant, thinks he’s smarter than everyone else, megalomaniac. Good job Ahnold. Why can’t people see California as a blueprint on what NOT to do? Illegals, taxes, Environmental crap, etc.
marklmail on January 16, 2009 at 6:21 PM
Not that illegal immigrants have anything to do with CA’s budget woes.
pain train on January 16, 2009 at 6:23 PM
ROTFLMAO All their tax dollars went to the Mexican drug dealers in Mexico.
Rick007 on January 16, 2009 at 6:26 PM
You see all thoes Actors and movie companys went to Canada and other countries to film to cut their tax rates. LOL
Ya gotta love a leftest Liberal.
Rick007 on January 16, 2009 at 6:30 PM
pain train on January 16, 2009 at 6:23 PM
Yep to the tune of about 10 billion a year. However the trio in DC have nothing to do with the daily workings of the state or in writing the budget.
goat on January 16, 2009 at 6:31 PM
Not to mention they both have smokin’ hot wives, lol!
califcon on January 16, 2009 at 6:32 PM
Oh, good. But they BETTER NOT cut off those checks to subsidize the college educations of illegals! THAT would be over the top.
warriorlawyer on January 16, 2009 at 6:32 PM
He’s almost gone. There just is not any urge to do it. I think Californians know it is their fault. The people that care the most and would recall him are just leaving the state instead. They threw out Gray Davis and got this clown. 70 billion to over 100 billion in four years, awesome.
Theworldisnotenough on January 16, 2009 at 6:34 PM
It’s just as nice over here in Santa Cruz, too.
Arnold is not really the problem. With a liberal majority in the state legislature and the constant willingness of the voters to obligate the state to indebtedness via bond issues wrapped in propositions there’s very little he can do. A few years ago, when he did try to reform some of the spending, the teachers union spent a stunning anount of money on an ad campaign demonizing him. For months you couldn’t turn on a TV or radio without hearing an ad about what a bastard he was every 15 minutes. He finally caved in time to get re-elected.
The unions control this state. They control the democratic party. They own, or outright cow, the politicians. Until you can break them nothing here will change.
trigon on January 16, 2009 at 6:35 PM
Wait til they get my IOU in payment of my CA state taxes.
Cicero43 on January 16, 2009 at 6:38 PM
To be really fair, the billions that he spent on embryonic stem cell research and the money wasted on global warming idiocy (along with Arnold promoting the same for everyone, and with other choice liberal stances he’s taken) doesn’t do much to help Arnold’s case.
progressoverpeace on January 16, 2009 at 6:39 PM
Quick put up a wall around California to keep Californians IN. They voted for this mess and now they gotta live with it. I don’t want them taking their voting habits to other states in the union.
PackerBronco on January 16, 2009 at 6:39 PM
Speaking of illegal immigrants. Remember that the census is based upon the number of bodies. Status doesn’t matter. Everyone of those illegals adds up to more money for the state.
davod on January 16, 2009 at 6:40 PM
Hahahahaha! That’s hilarious!
Alana on January 16, 2009 at 6:41 PM
Jan 20 is when CA will be bailed out. They will get there own trillion dollar stimulus package. Then after CA will be NY with there trillion dollar stimulus. For the states that don’t need it wont get it. So you know they will all need it. Someone turned on the faucet and there is off valuve.
Brat4life on January 16, 2009 at 6:42 PM
trigon on January 16, 2009 at 6:35 PM
Yep between the teachers unions, the SEIU, the CCPOA to name just a few this state is duly run by the unions and they are doing the same thing to it they did to the steel and auto industries.
goat on January 16, 2009 at 6:42 PM
goat on January 16, 2009 at 6:31 PM
True, but they do inact federal legislation that mandates what a portion of that money has to be spent on: clean air & water, no child left behind (OK that was Bush’s baby), etc. that the states routinely decry as “unfunded”.
The cost of the bills created at the federal level ultimately is paid for by tax payers at the local level.
pain train on January 16, 2009 at 6:43 PM
PackerBronco on January 16, 2009 at 6:39 PM
Those leaving the state are the conservative business owners and others fed up with the liberal looniness. We get outvoted by the urban areas on the coast where well more than half the population lives.
goat on January 16, 2009 at 6:46 PM
Agreed on slavery…but can we please bring back duelling?
Victor Davis Hanson for California Governor!
Jim62sch on January 16, 2009 at 6:50 PM
What goat says is true. I will continue to vote conservative issues and (hopefully real) Republican candidates wherever I go. If it weren’t for LA & SF, California would probably be a pretty solidly red state.
califcon on January 16, 2009 at 6:51 PM
Well…………. there you go people.
………… the cost of feeding, educating, healing, housing, and detaining the third world all for a “Democratic” vote and liberal social engineering has finally paid off.
And the majority of Americans just voted in Obama to take it nation wide………..
……………….. happy?
I think it is time…………
……… to bring back Proposition 187.
Seven Percent Solution on January 16, 2009 at 6:52 PM
You have to realize that there are two different Californias. You’d probably like to have a great many of the people who live here. They are hard-working, conservative, decent people. They’d be an asset to wherever you happen to be. They’re just outvoted by highly organized and motivated loons. The loons understand political power far better than we do. They work very, very hard to get power. They don’t give it up after they get it. They only increase their power when they get it. They pass it along to hand-picked successors when they move upward to another position of power. They create networks of non-profit organizations, non-governmental organizations and public sector unions to maintain and fund their power. They look down on you with a disdain you do not fully understand.
More and more, I have come to the realization that this will all end badly.
trigon on January 16, 2009 at 6:55 PM
So I left that for what is now 30 degrees, but it will warm up. In the small lake in my back yard I have over 60 geese, several swans, several types of ducks (the lake has over 10 miles of shore that winds through the development). Rabbits, foxes, I have to protect my garden from the deer. When spring comes the trees are green and lush and we have an autumn…the beaches are much nice then any in So. Cal., and I have been to them all. Water rises to 80 degrees, cal water sits in the 60′s.
Trust me, California has nothing on NC…oh, yeah, twice the house for 1/2 the price, 1/2 the taxes, and my house appreciated this past year again…has yours?
right2bright on January 16, 2009 at 6:56 PM
Jim62sch on January 16, 2009 at 6:50 PM
I agree on VDH but he would be just as hamstrung by the unions and liberal lead legislature as any conservative Gov would be.
goat on January 16, 2009 at 6:56 PM
There’s heavy pressure on the legislature but the liberals still won’t cut their vote for me programs and they still won’t stop their business cutthroating environmental mandates much less a tax system that makes France look conservative.
Its insanity on a stick and the liberals still are not willing to cut waste or killer programs.
Before, the deficit was about 11 billion, just about what illegal aliens cost the state (each year), some law enforcement versus a criminal support state and Ca. wouldn’t have zoomed to a 42 billion dollar deficit.
Behold, the Ca. dream as engineered by Mexico.
Speakup on January 16, 2009 at 6:59 PM
No, the majority are liberal…sorry, look at the voting record.
Next comes New Jersey, then New York, Nevada, Mass is a goner, Illinois,…literally every democrat run state in in the crapper.
What a coincidence…and yes, I think Arnold is a democrat.
right2bright on January 16, 2009 at 7:00 PM
He had my vote.
Sadly, with things the way they currently are, a fiscally responsible Republican has no chance of winning in a statewide election.
JadeNYU on January 16, 2009 at 7:00 PM
Holy nightmare batman! Californian’s might have to mow their own lawns for a change.
repvoter on January 16, 2009 at 7:01 PM
Seems like there are quite a few Californians on Hot Air. Any others besides TSK9 in the Sacto area?
goat on January 16, 2009 at 5:56 PM
Gunslinger on January 16, 2009 at 7:02 PM
Calm down guys.
I’m not saying I’m in love with the guy.
He morphed into a liberal only a few years after he took office, and since has been wrong on pretty much everything.
I’m just saying that the fundamental problem, the Dems and the unions, is not going away, and has been ruining CA for years.
Hawkins1701 on January 16, 2009 at 7:05 PM
*problems* and *have*
Hawkins1701 on January 16, 2009 at 7:06 PM
right2bright on January 16, 2009 at 6:56 PM
I’m with right2bright on this one. In January I can can go snow skiing on Saturday and go deep sea fishing on Sunday.
How many states can boast that?
pain train on January 16, 2009 at 7:08 PM
trigon on January 16, 2009 at 6:55 PM
Yea and all those loons are concentrated in the LA metro and Bay Area where about 70% of the population lives.
goat on January 16, 2009 at 7:08 PM
Then I can see you. Must have lunch, before Gitmo crowd moves into Camp Pendleton. I think Maztec (or close nom) is close by too.
Entelechy on January 16, 2009 at 7:10 PM
I wasn’t jumping on you; just pointing those instances out.
I agree with what you say about Republican Governors having a problem with the legislature, but it just seems that Arnie was more in sync with them than not. And, any conservative Governor who found the legislature totally irresponsible and impossible to work with should have thought about resigning, which would have made a huge impact on the public, I think.
progressoverpeace on January 16, 2009 at 7:10 PM
No, the majority are liberal…sorry, look at the voting record.
Next comes New Jersey, then New York, Nevada, Mass is a goner, Illinois,…literally every democrat run state in in the crapper.
What a coincidence…and yes, I think Arnold is a democrat.
right2bright on January 16, 2009 at 7:00 PM
I didn’t say that they weren’t a majority. They are. The coastine here is very densely populated and leans very heavily liberal. Go inland a way and you’ll find a lot of very conservative areas.
This goes way beyond numbers, though. The liberals believe in political power in a way that we do not. I live in the middle of it. I see how it is practiced on a daily basis. This goes way beyond voting a few people out of office.
trigon on January 16, 2009 at 7:10 PM
Hmm…
Weren’t The Lotto and Indian Gambling Casinos supposed to solve our educational and budgetary shortfalls?
Oh well. Guess not.
BVM on January 16, 2009 at 7:12 PM
I think that we should all just bite the bullet and volunteer to give more of our money to the government, so they can give welfare payments to illegal aliens, so that lettuce will not be twenty five dollars a head.
Johan Klaus on January 16, 2009 at 7:13 PM
pain train on January 16, 2009 at 7:08 PM
Umm California, I am an hour and a half from Tahoe and the same from the coast. NC is a beautiful state and I agree the ocean is much warmer.
goat on January 16, 2009 at 7:17 PM
True enough.
And he lost me once he signed legislation that denied property renters the right to inquire about immigration status.
And he REALLY lost me when he pulled the “they should keep going until they get it done” thing about the gay mafia.
What a disappointment.
Here’s my exit question: Does the CA GOP ever recover from Arnold?
Hawkins1701 on January 16, 2009 at 7:19 PM
goat on January 16, 2009 at 7:17 PM
Yea but we don’t have PETA waiting at the docks to take away our freshly caught (and quite tasty I might add) “Sea Kittens”
pain train on January 16, 2009 at 7:21 PM
When Texas secedes it’s all over. It would take Oklahoma, New Mexico, Colorado and probably every state between the gulf and Canada. Someone mentioned three states that were in the black. Well, Oklahoma is in the black – really in the black. We have the two best senators in DC; Inhoff and Coburn. There is a piece of shit in Oklahoma’s cream. The president of OU, the ever democrat liberal ex governor, ex senator, David Boren wants to rob our surplus “rainy Day” funds to raise the salaries of his socialist cronys, the perfessors in the make work liberal arts departments.
If secession ever becomes a fact, I expect he will become persona non grata.
Old Country Boy on January 16, 2009 at 7:21 PM
trigon on January 16, 2009 at 7:10 PM
If you’re in Santa Cruz then you are in the middle of one of the loony bins. I’m just north of Sacto and my district is very conservative and is so sparcely populated it stretches all the way to the Oregon border while the lib districts are tiny and in the big cities and so they get more reps.
goat on January 16, 2009 at 7:25 PM
pain train on January 16, 2009 at 7:21 PM
LOL, touche.
goat on January 16, 2009 at 7:26 PM
+10
The great migration has been going on for the last 15 years. Oregon has more Californians than Salmon. If we could only get the Californians to stop spawning like the Salmon….
portlandon on January 16, 2009 at 7:29 PM
goat on January 16, 2009 at 7:17 PM
I must say though that I’ve been to fortunate enough to visit Fisherman’s wharf a few times and I would trade a nice Dungeness crab for a dozen blue crabs any day. The bread bowls are quite good as well.
pain train on January 16, 2009 at 7:29 PM
Drop Starbucks fraps and coffee with Depo in them, on them. Viola!
That is what they do with Raccoons to stave the populations that way.
upinak on January 16, 2009 at 7:30 PM
Alaska, Texas are both in the black. Hmm no income tax… no special weird taxes. Who is tthe other State? I don’t think it is OK though.
upinak on January 16, 2009 at 7:32 PM
The blue states that elected this socialist are queing up. Today Ed Rendell announced that PA is deep deficit–duh–and that he will be petitioning his new friend in Washington for help. And the Mayor of Philly has been in line since Nov 6.
james23 on January 16, 2009 at 7:33 PM
I don’t have a problem with this.
Disturb the Universe on January 16, 2009 at 7:33 PM
We’ve got more than our fair share of ex-californians up here in WA too. Most of them don’t spawn though.
kcewa on January 16, 2009 at 7:35 PM
I guess I’m not getting paid, either. My own fault. I should have submitted my billing months ago.
Blake on January 16, 2009 at 7:36 PM
Socialism doesn’t pay.
Johan Klaus on January 16, 2009 at 7:41 PM
upinak on January 16, 2009 at 7:32 PM
AK and Tx tap their oil and gas reserves, Ca could come a long way back if we did. The environuts would rather the oil seeping naturally out the ground continue to foul our beaches instead of using it. The thought of an artificial reef like a drilling platform that attracts marine life like crazy is too much for them.
goat on January 16, 2009 at 7:42 PM
How wonderful, those citizens of fiscally responsible states get to bailout the citizens of socialized states. Sounds fair to me. Disenfranchisement anyone? Taxation without representation anyone?
If we followed the Constitution there would be no problem. We would use California as an example of what not to do, vote socialist Democrat. Also, if left to their own devices, as the Constitutional says they should, the people of that state would reach a boiling point and vote the incompetents out of office. But no, just as we bail out bad companies, we also bail out bad politicians. :)
How cool!
True_King on January 16, 2009 at 7:45 PM
They should drill of the coast and sell the oil.
- The Cat
MirCat on January 16, 2009 at 7:47 PM
Ahh yeah I know about TX and AK oil.
They do have rigs in Cali… but many miles offshore that usually tap NG. But you are correct… they need to get the oil, and soon.
upinak on January 16, 2009 at 7:49 PM
Upinak — OK is very much in the black. However, they do have a state income tax which is very low and just became lower. Their surplus is kept in a “rainy day fund” which is a device we use to torture the liberals who want to spend it but can’t with an R senate. Ad Valorums are low along with personal property taxes. (Of course, in OK there are innumerable people who rightfully claim these taxes are too high, but they are lower than most other states) The car tags have had the advalorem removed and cost about $35. Our through-state routes are 75 mph turnpikes so you can pay for those roads as you use them. Got high sales taxes though. And, a house that costs $0.5M in blue USA will only cost about $150K in Oklahoma.
Oh! my bad! Now all you folks will want to come here to live. I don’t think I want many of the HA folks as a neighbor. However, I would rather welcome you than the Cos kids.
Old Country Boy on January 16, 2009 at 7:54 PM
upinak on January 16, 2009 at 7:49 PM
Most are in SoCal and they are tapping oil too. There are over 2000 mapped natural seepages that we could tap very quickly with no exploration,one leaks about 150 barrels a day into coastal waters.
goat on January 16, 2009 at 7:57 PM
naaaa I live in Alaska. No need to move… yet.
upinak on January 16, 2009 at 7:57 PM
I’m in Sactown.
TheUnrepentantGeek on January 16, 2009 at 7:58 PM
Start writing the Dept of Energy about it.
Say it is killing coast line animals… even if the Dept of Enviromental Conservation says it isn’t. Might help.
upinak on January 16, 2009 at 7:58 PM
Old Country Boy on January 16, 2009 at 7:54 PM
Inhofe and Coburn are great and as a Californian stuck with Boxer and Feinstein I am jealous. But Ok is just too flat for me, been through a few times on I40. Besides being an SEC fan I would get in to many fights, LOL.
goat on January 16, 2009 at 8:02 PM
And Arnold wants to be President.
Reminds me of that old line, “I’m working on my second million. I gave up on the first”.
MB4 on January 16, 2009 at 8:03 PM
This is what happens when liberalism runs into reality.
I wont be getting a refund but we do have clean new WNW swell filling in
koypop on January 16, 2009 at 8:04 PM
upinak on January 16, 2009 at 7:58 PM
I have and do. I have connections at the American Petroleum Institute as well.
goat on January 16, 2009 at 8:05 PM
We should do a Sacramento Hot Air Meetup. Be good to know some sane people in an insane state.
TheUnrepentantGeek on January 16, 2009 at 8:07 PM
If you can try to get a hold of Mark Meyers who is the Director of the USGS, Nationwide. He was the Director for Oil and Gas in Alaska (I have worked with him) great guy and he will listen if you can get to him.
See if USGS might wanna try a way to get the oil… as they use to dabble in the oil and gas business all the time.
upinak on January 16, 2009 at 8:07 PM
Is it wrong to thoroughly enjoy this? I hope every blue state is brought to its knees by their idiot liberal rulers’ incompetence and corruption.
Darth Executor on January 16, 2009 at 8:09 PM
TheUnrepentantGeek on January 16, 2009 at 8:07 PM
Email me, my addy is in my profile at my blog. I have helped set up a couple with AOSHQ morons from here, I know of four Hot Airheads as of now, one is also a fellow moron.
goat on January 16, 2009 at 8:11 PM
upinak on January 16, 2009 at 8:07 PM
I will see if my connection at API can arrange a connection. She is their communications director so it shouldn’t be to hard. We swap almost daily emails discussing energy issues and I have been on a few blogger conference calls with them.
goat on January 16, 2009 at 8:15 PM
Darth Executor on January 16, 2009 at 8:09 PM
Yes because it is hurting small business owners like me.
goat on January 16, 2009 at 8:17 PM
Good People, but remember something about them. It is a club… even if they don’t admit it.
upinak on January 16, 2009 at 8:17 PM
What makes you think the Federal system is any more safe than CA? The feds make all employees withhold, and then repay them without interest a year later. The federal government is now essentially broke, its obligations exceeding the value of our combined assets. So, about those 2008 or 2009 Federal tax refund checks, don’t count on them until they are delivered, deposited and cleared.
Who bails out Uncle SAm? first, you. then????
james23 on January 16, 2009 at 8:21 PM
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