California goes bust: Tax refunds to be delayed
posted at 4:40 pm on January 16, 2009 by Allahpundit
Not just refunds, either. Welfare checks and student grants will be held back, too. Let it be a lesson to those of us who pay estimated tax, me most of all: In these trying times, don’t overpay.
Instead, ask yourself, “What would Tim Geithner do?”
The controller said the suspended payments could be rolled into IOUs if California still lacked sufficient cash to pay its bills come March or April.
“I take this action with great reluctance,” Chiang said at a news conference in his office. But he said that without action to close the deficit, “there is no way to make it through February unscathed.”
There’s a hitch with the IOUs, though:
In 1992, banks honored the state’s IOUs, cashing them on demand, and then receiving an additional 5% from the state when it made good on the obligations. In effect, the IOUs served the state as unsecured bridge loans from banks. But this time around, with credit tight and banks still feeling the impact of the fall meltdown in the financial services industry, it is not yet clear how banks will respond.
“Nobody’s making any decision whether ‘Bank X’ will take the IOUs as money or not,” said Brian Tobin, a Culver City based tax preparer.
I hereby formally open the pool on guessing which date California will be bailed out. I’ll take February 28. Exit question: Where’s the recall petition for Arnold?
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I think I need to stop my payroll tax considering I make a – income.
But Ouch.
Badger40 on January 16, 2009 at 4:42 PM
Are we really sure he’s not diverting huge amounts of state funds to create Sky-net?
zmdavid on January 16, 2009 at 4:43 PM
Laugh? I nearly shat.
LimeyGeek on January 16, 2009 at 4:45 PM
Perfect storm. Wow. This may just be financial Armageddon. The domino effect could be catastrophic.
nukemhill on January 16, 2009 at 4:45 PM
If Pelosi and Obama bail out California I can guarantee you New Jersey will be five meinutes behind them in line because that state is almost in the same boat.
You think Obama will do this in his first month in office? His approval ratings will sink faster that Us Air 1549.
BigD on January 16, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Sell the state, empty, to conservatives.
JiangxiDad on January 16, 2009 at 4:47 PM
So glad that liberal Republicanism has garnered yet another victory.
MadisonConservative on January 16, 2009 at 4:48 PM
But hey! California is leading the way on legislation to reduce obesity! How can they be bad?
Here’s to hoping this student grant thing leads to a college tuition bubble to burst and, since Cali has such good schools, it forces schools across the country to lower their prices.
jimmy the notable on January 16, 2009 at 4:48 PM
Liberalnation.
Coming to a state near you.
Speakup on January 16, 2009 at 4:48 PM
I called this 5 years ago when I moved from Cal to NC…it doesn’t take a math genius to figure out that Ca was spending way more then it was taking in, and ad to that the exodus of businesses from the state.
It’s a shame, some parts are so beautiful…but that is what SF and Sacramento politics will get you…way to go Boxer, Feinstein, and Arnold…you took down the most productive state in the union.
Liberals hard at work…
right2bright on January 16, 2009 at 4:49 PM
Where was it recently that I saw someone advocating for Californians getting a refund to apply it to their 2009 taxes and then severely reduce their withholding? ‘Cos I’m about to tell the mom-in-law to take that approach.
Somewhere, Gray Davis is smiling…and still no one cares.
Snowed In on January 16, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Here is the thing, they force you to pay estimated income tax if you are a certain income and independent…will they be able to force you now?
Essentially they are forcing you to pay into a system that can’t repay if you overpay…seems this would be a legal issue.
right2bright on January 16, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Fiscal Situation of 50 States: Combined Budget Gaps Estimated at $350 Billon for 2010 and 2011
econavenger on January 16, 2009 at 4:52 PM
That’s the price of ILLEGAL immigration!!
grapeknutz on January 16, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Mexico will buy it in a short sale just before bankruptcy.
faraway on January 16, 2009 at 4:53 PM
The MSM is covering for Arnold since he is such a big lib.
Californian liberals don’t care. Everything is peachy for them. All they will do is move to the red states and cities and ruin them.
jencab on January 16, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Gee that’s rough.
Shouldn’t have wasted all that money trying to defeat Prop 8.
Oh well.
NoDonkey on January 16, 2009 at 4:55 PM
IOU’s are fine with me if their fine with the state. I plan on paying any money I owe the state with an IOU.
GarandFan on January 16, 2009 at 4:55 PM
How’s Alaska doing?
How come there aren’t a hundred different trolls in here calling Arnold unqualified and moronic.
jimmy the notable on January 16, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Maybe we’ll see Jennifer Aniston, Tom Hanks and Ron Howard storm Sacramento.
BigD on January 16, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Get Calif. bailout money from the people who were listening to Obama with baited breath in Calif. when he thought nobody from the midwest was listening as he insulted them with the “clinging to guns or their bible” comments.
Otherwise, I just don’t give a sh*t if Calif. falls off into the ocean.
Spiritk9 on January 16, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Why does this matter? As a percentage of the population, few people there even pay taxes- certainly not to the level of the entitlements they get in a generous socialist state like California. Filthy bastard will win the state in four years without a doubt and Pelosi’s good for two. The hard working Californians who actually pay taxes for all those illegals just need to understand that it would be unpatriotic to demand the money they overpaid to the government at a time like this.
highhopes on January 16, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Ha! Good one, AP.
CP on January 16, 2009 at 4:57 PM
Just think, we all will be contributing our federal tax dollars to help make those IOUs good, once Arnie pleads his case, then the snowball really starts rolling downhill, once precedent is set.
a capella on January 16, 2009 at 4:57 PM
How about some Chapter 11 restructuring. Fire all the bureaucrats, provide only essential services (such as police and fire), cut funds to illegal immigrants, move toward parental choice in education, open up offshore drilling and share the wealth (as in Alaska). Oh and stop trying to become socialist!
Christian Conservative on January 16, 2009 at 4:57 PM
When I think of California a few years down the road, I have a mental image of Victor Davis Hanson on his walled-in farm with a few followers, like the townspeople in Mad Max.
VDH mans a flamethrower on the front gate while Lord Humongous and the barbarians ride around outside. California is going down the tubes.
Jim62sch on January 16, 2009 at 4:57 PM
If they stay there, I’m all for it.
Snowed In on January 16, 2009 at 4:58 PM
I do believe that ship’s sailed.
Snowed In on January 16, 2009 at 4:58 PM
OOPS forgot to add this point. Filthy Bastard and the criminals in Congress bails out California at their own risk. They do and there will be 49 (or 56 in Obama math) will be right behind.
highhopes on January 16, 2009 at 4:59 PM
Well, clearly the tax & spend model that liberal tout works!
Oh, wait…no it doesn’t.
Oh, hold on…the governor is a republican.
Wow! The hits for our side just keep coming. Between Bush and the governator our side hardly has an argument for fiscal responsibility.
You know what? We’ve created a monster that cannot be quelled at the ballot box.
It’s time to go forefather on their asses.
Dorvillian on January 16, 2009 at 4:59 PM
And fire the environmentalist wacko’s (including those in Congress) who have turned your state into a third world country!
Christian Conservative on January 16, 2009 at 4:59 PM
Uh oh … anybody know someone in another state that needs a good HR geek?
TheUnrepentantGeek on January 16, 2009 at 4:59 PM
Newsflash 2009:
Texas, after seceding from the union in mid-2009, get over run by Mexican drug lords and is now appealing to the American military for assistance.
Spiritk9 on January 16, 2009 at 5:00 PM
Well, then let’s put Pelosi and the rest of the Cali libs in charge of the national budget, so they can spread those fabulous ideas all across the country. What a great idea!
blue13326 on January 16, 2009 at 5:01 PM
Maybe Cindy Sheehan will mount a recall challenge, promising to bring reform.
Jim62sch on January 16, 2009 at 5:02 PM
Oh well. Maybe the whole state will fall into the ocean before long and we won’t have to worry about them.
O.k., that was harsh. Maybe just the Malibu/Hollywood portion of CA.
anniekc on January 16, 2009 at 5:03 PM
Never happen. Texas has the largest fleet of armed pickup trucks in the world.
Jim62sch on January 16, 2009 at 5:03 PM
I blame BOOOSH!
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on January 16, 2009 at 5:03 PM
46 or less. As I recall, South Carolina, Texas, and, oh, yeah, Alaska are still in the black.
Snowed In on January 16, 2009 at 5:03 PM
Like WA, CO, MT…..
I watched it happen to the Redmond,Bothell,Mill Creek WA area in the ’80s.
Very sad. I left & never looked back.
As a child living in Carmichael,CA, I thought it was pretty screwy then.
I still have family in Vallejo, Rancho Cordova & LA & I feel real sorry for them.
I love the sites & the natural features of CA & I would visit them again if I could, but I will never live there again!
Badger40 on January 16, 2009 at 5:04 PM
I saw the headline and literally laughed out loud.
So in solidarity with the tax payers of California who are expecting a tax refund, tonight I’ll eat red beans and rice.
Skandia Recluse on January 16, 2009 at 5:04 PM
Only the Pacific plate portion is moving & it’s moving eventually to AK.
We still have to wait many millions of years for that show.
Badger40 on January 16, 2009 at 5:05 PM
If Texas secedes, I’m moving there. Ditto Alaska.
LimeyGeek on January 16, 2009 at 5:06 PM
In some parts of the country, his popularity will take a nosedive. But what about the states he bails out? Come to the rescue in California, Michigan, New York, and New Jersey and you’ve got 118 electoral votes locked up. Hell, he’s halfway to reelection right there.
Doughboy on January 16, 2009 at 5:06 PM
Except that the outcome will be completely reversed.
Sully is a highly trained and very experienced professional that, before he was ever given control of an Airbus, was a man of distinction.
Come Tuesday, the pilot of our jet will be akin to someone like this dude – except no one will be laughing.
turfmann on January 16, 2009 at 5:06 PM
Me too. Only difference is I’m having steak with mine. Steak that was a critter I raised.
Yummmmmm…..
Badger40 on January 16, 2009 at 5:06 PM
When all the illegals leave California, then they’ll be able to balance their budget.
moonsbreath on January 16, 2009 at 5:06 PM
That’s it …I’m so out of here.
North Carolina, here I come.
The Ugly American on January 16, 2009 at 5:07 PM
My blog had a poll that recently closed and 75% of the respondents said that ARNOLD SHOULD BE recalled.
The deficit is deeper than Gray Davis’s and also, Arnold tried to keep Californians from VOTING on Propositions 94-97 this year. Not to mention, he made a deal with one Indian tribe that hadn’t even been voted on by the General Council..
Arnold needs to GO
originalpechanga on January 16, 2009 at 5:07 PM
Doesn’t matter. They’ll join the herd at the trough in front of the filthy bastard and his minions.
highhopes on January 16, 2009 at 5:09 PM
California has so many unnecessary programs that are simply a waste of money that it shouldn’t be too difficult to find programs and employees that could be eliminated.
First of all, there is the California Coastal Commission that prevents smart use of coastal lands while allowing such things as a Ritz Carlton to be built at Half Moon Bay. The entire commission and all of its employees can be safely eliminated and each county allowed to set their own coastal development standards.
As an example of CC stupidity … the coastal area contains a lot of agricultural land. The CC prevents that land from being developed as residential. Instead, land farther inland that would be better for agricultural use is developed residential. The result is salt-water intrusion into coastal aquifers as they are drawn for irrigation.
The CC prevents intelligent, efficient use of land resources by making arbitrary decisions on what can and can not be built. In areas that still have significant residential areas, jurisdictions are denied the ability to improve roads and bridges leading into those areas because they might “promote development”. In the meantime the roads fall apart and bridges wash out.
Why the state believes that counties are too stupid or too irresponsible to manage their own coastal development is beyond me. These jurisdictions can manage their resources and do care about maintaining them through the generations. This is just one example of an entire state agency that is nothing more than an “inefficiency generator” and costs the taxpayers of the entire state bundles of money.
California could also make additional money by reopening drilling off the coast to relieve the ocean from being polluted by natural seeps in such areas as Coal Oil Point near Santa Barbara. Drilling here could improve the environment and make the state a lot of money.
California is Lunacy Incorporated.
crosspatch on January 16, 2009 at 5:10 PM
Texas has gobs and gobs of good ole boys and gals with means to deal with things. I live here and can say it is true.
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letget on January 16, 2009 at 5:12 PM
Funny you should mention B. Hussein Obama’s pick for Sect. of Treasury.
Geithner makes the perfect example of sound economic stewardship. Don’t pay your taxes and hope no one notices.
But how could Geithner, not pay taxes, if he didn’t do it on purpose?
Kini on January 16, 2009 at 5:13 PM
Maybe Cindy Sheehan will mount a recall challenge, promising to bring reform.
Jim62sch on January 16, 2009 at 5:02 PM
A truly horrifying thought: I’d rather have Cindy Sheehan in office than Nancy Pelosi.
anniekc on January 16, 2009 at 5:14 PM
It’s still happening, Badger. Seems like half the people I know from those cities are CA ex-pats. It’s terrible.
fourstringfuror on January 16, 2009 at 5:15 PM
I would venture that that’s because more people can recognize Sheehan for what she is.
Snowed In on January 16, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Now, let’s keep the history straight here even though so much of California is not. Gray Davis wasn’t recalled over the deficit or even the fact that those on the inside were playing the energy market and making huge profits. Davis was recalled because the state was unable to reliably provide electricity. I lived next to a hospital so I didn’t have rolling brown outs (I had whatever the exempt catagory was on my bill) but many of my co-workers did not and they were steamed that in America in one of the most populous American cities, they had the same assurances for power as a third-world nation. This failure is what resulted in enough votes to trigger a recall.
highhopes on January 16, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Uh, stop paying benefits to illegal aliens.
No bailout until you start enforcing the immigration law.
If the feds bail them out, revolt.
HornetSting on January 16, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Bill Handel said this morning on KFI 640AM that CA is ungovernable, regardless who is Governor/Governator.
Yesterday John and Ken, same station, played audio of state-employed union freaks shouting all kinds of threats because they’d been asked to not work so much overtime and to not add double-time, when they purposely called in sick during the week, or the morning, only to work extra, for extra pay. They are miling us incessantly and then the media play the violins for those freaks.
Arnold, in his brief state-of-disaster-of-the-state speech, yesterday, suggested that the legislators don’t get payed, until they resolved the unconstitutional 47 billion over budget situation, and he’s laughed out of town.
I sent him to hell already, for myriad of reasons, having helped him in the recall and to be re-elected. However, nothing will change so long as those liberal fluzies run Sacramento. This beautiful and rich state deserves to be auctioned off so it can start anew.
JiangxiDad, if that should happen you’re invited for dinner, family et all.
Entelechy on January 16, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Can’t say as I could tell you the difference between the two. The only benefit of Sheehan she would be so junion that SF-based tuna companies wouldn’t be able to exploit work laws that apply to absolutely every other employer.
highhopes on January 16, 2009 at 5:17 PM
Everyone leaving Cali is welcome in Illinois; it’s two degrees today, and our governor is a real man of the people!
/sarc…
fiscallyconservative on January 16, 2009 at 5:18 PM
Arnold hasn’t been all bad, we would be in far worse shape if he let the Dems that run Sacramento get their way on all sorts of things he vetoed. The people also deserve some scorn for all the stupid bond spending they voted for. It all started with the dotcom boom and the libs spent like crazy and promised the unions the sun and moon then the bust and all that revenue went away and now they are holding the bill going oh f**k. The GOP has been holding a very thin line against taxes and the Dems won’t cut spending. Its a real clusterfark for sure and people along with their businesses are fleeing the state in droves.
goat on January 16, 2009 at 5:18 PM
Correction “they are milking us incessantly”.
Entelechy on January 16, 2009 at 5:19 PM
Submitted for comment of the day, sadly.
Entelechy on January 16, 2009 at 5:20 PM
And to think, Obamanation (AKA Socialists) will do to the US what the Dims have dont to California!
sarc/
jtpcamp on January 16, 2009 at 5:20 PM
Not even close. Arnold is the typical RINO. Once he hired a long-term Dem operative as his Chief of Staff you knew the game was over.
The size of the CA budget has DOUBLED in 10 years; much of that increase happened on Arnold’s watch. He was ready to sign the unconstitutional “solution” the Dem’s floated a week ago until LA’s John & Ken radio show listeners burned out his switchboard and email with protesting messages. Even with that he said with a few tweaks he would sign it.
in_awe on January 16, 2009 at 5:20 PM
That’s just great. Now we will have more California people moving to other states in the South, which are just fine (thank you), to ruin them with their craziness…
RedSoxNation on January 16, 2009 at 5:21 PM
The highest tax rate states are the most bankrupt AND the most left wing – California, NY, New Jersey, etc. And the people demand more of the same. More proof that the American voter is one of the stupidest creatures ever to haunt the earth.
Django on January 16, 2009 at 5:22 PM
Arnold tried his damnedest to get the California budget balanced and whip the state into fiscal shape, but he’s stopped at every turn.
To be honest, I think we deserve what we get. Californians have voted all these measures onto the ballots, sowing all that wind, and now they’re reaping the whirlwind.
Doesn’t effect me, I usually break even on taxes, because I don’t underclaim. I’ve never understood the concept myself.
“You didnt’ get any refund??”
“… I didn’t pay anything either. I pay my taxes per paycheck. I shouldn’t be getting a refund.”
“Why don’t you put 0 on your W2?”
“… Because then they’d take more money?”
“Yeah but you’d get a refund.”
“…”
apollyonbob on January 16, 2009 at 5:22 PM
drill, drill, drill
rob verdi on January 16, 2009 at 5:22 PM
highhopes on January 16, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Don’t forget the tripling of the car tax under Davis and there were a couple other reasons besides the brownouts.
goat on January 16, 2009 at 5:23 PM
I miss KFI and Handel in particular. He does such a good job at breaking down big stories. For years he has been saying and I agree that California is ungovernable. Too big with too many interests to efficiently operate as a single state. The sticking point IMO is that to divide California would result in yet more corrupt liberal Democrats making it to the Senate and House. We need leaders not more partisans like Pelosi, Boxer, and Feinstein.
As to John and Ken, their coverage of the Dem convention in LA was hillarious. They would actually interview people with “end poverty” in the crowd of protesters and ask them how that should happen!
highhopes on January 16, 2009 at 5:24 PM
46 other states, if you don’t count the Obama way, are more business-friendly than CA.
Entelechy on January 16, 2009 at 5:24 PM
Exactly about the liberals running Sacramento. But they’re not the only ones!
Remember when Arnold first came in, he put that prop on the ballot that California had to balance its budget. Would be legally required to
And it was voted down.
The inmates are running the asylum in this State.
apollyonbob on January 16, 2009 at 5:25 PM
Good. Then they can’t complain when they open my property taxes and it’s just a note that says “SUCK IT”.
Chuck Schick on January 16, 2009 at 5:27 PM
If there is bailouts for anything(including those already done) the first thing they need to do is clean out all (and I mean all) of the top management. In a state this should include all state reps/state congresspeople and governors mansion. That should be a prerequisite for any bailout. You do not give more money to those that caused the problem in the first place. California’s problem(a lot of states) is they keep spending money they don’t have for things they don’t need or should be taken care of by private enterprises. Until they change their business plan they will just need more money.
I think it will take until march for the bailout.
The recall won’t happen(how much longer is his term?)
Corsair on January 16, 2009 at 5:28 PM
I actually giggled… because California “Will be Back!”.
upinak on January 16, 2009 at 5:28 PM
True that, but, lately, I turn the radio down often, as he’s completely wrapped around the
schwanzwinie of the O.These two are the best. They are the equal opportunity slayers of pork, stupidity, idiocy and other culprits. They helped Davis be gone, Arnold be reelected and they’ll gladly help to recall him. If he’d have signed that unconstitutional liberal budget bill, raisins taxes by a simple majority by calling them ‘fees’, he’d already be on a recall fast track by them. I don’t always agree with them but they are neither Bush, McCain, nor Obama types. They call it how it is, no matter who’s in their path. Right now they have the Sacramento liberal in their claws.
Entelechy on January 16, 2009 at 5:29 PM
True – his number one challenge – he sleeps with a Kennedy. It’s an insurmountable obstacle.
Entelechy on January 16, 2009 at 5:31 PM
True, but my point was that if Arnold gets recalled it isn’t going to be over something as vague as the state budget deficit. He will be recalled because enough residents are ticked off that the state isn’t giving them their tax refund. It will need to hit voters personally the way taxes or brownouts do.
Don’t you remember that when the Davis recall effort started all the punditry laughed it off as virtually impossible of ever happening? It was that personal connection and the ability to speak out that made a difference.
highhopes on January 16, 2009 at 5:32 PM
Hey, ANY state. Who knew that on the subject of states rights, Aaron Burr and later the Confederacy were right? (Not including slavery, however!)
Christian Conservative on January 16, 2009 at 5:32 PM
It’s coming. Seriously, there are efforts under way.
Topsecretk9 on January 16, 2009 at 5:33 PM
Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger is hard working, a fine leader and a great guy. Like Senator McCain, if he were a Republican, it would be perfect.
Wait a minute…
One of my friends sent Governor Schwarzenegger an idea to make billions. They looked then never told him why it was rejected. Of course he was a Republican.
IlikedAUH2O on January 16, 2009 at 5:34 PM
You mean the free lunch isn’t free?
tarpon on January 16, 2009 at 5:35 PM
The better question is “what will an Arnold recall bring?”
1. Brown again – you know the story
2. Villaraigosa, the prima donna, who works 11% for his constituents and views himself in the mirror, when he’s not chasing skirts, the rest of the time…
3. Whoever, who will not solve anything either.
If the lefties don’t see that their spending doubled in 10 years, and they don’t want to cut a penny, not a penny…the state is not governable. Taxes are high and businesses flee, or don’t wish to come in. More and more immigrants, legal and illegal, will add more to the deficit…it’s a clusterfark of grand proportions. This Hindenburg deserves to pop. Tough lessons must be learned. Same for our country.
Entelechy on January 16, 2009 at 5:38 PM
Following the logic of the Prop8 argument on t’other thread, slavery was just dandy if that’s what the people want.
LimeyGeek on January 16, 2009 at 5:39 PM
Their interview of a state congresswoman who wanted to tax soda sales in public schools still brings tears to my eyes. She wanted to tax the sodas because they were bad for the kids but she didn’t want to get rid of the soda machines because they provide revenue to the school system. She never got beyond the hypocrisy of her own position.
I’m glad they’ve landed on Sacramento as an issue. When I was living out there it was all about pointing out pedophile priests and the way the Catholic church continued to give them a pass.
highhopes on January 16, 2009 at 5:39 PM
Bust
Bust
Bust
Jaaa!
normsrevenge on January 16, 2009 at 5:40 PM
Topsecretk9 on January 16, 2009 at 5:33 PM
Hey I know you. I would vote against recall because who we get in return would be much worse. I like Steve Poisner but I don’t know if he could win. We could get a Perata, Nunez or Villagarosa instead.
goat on January 16, 2009 at 5:42 PM
They’re still on that one, when something related comes up. They’re on the issues, no matter who’s goats get sacrificed.
Entelechy on January 16, 2009 at 5:43 PM
Hmm…..How about Ahnold. Call a special election to repeal the shitload of Props giving away money just to prove a political point. You can start with Prop 71 for stem cell research. You would save over 1 billion over the next six years right there.
Rocks on January 16, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Entelchy, yeah that’s why I would take my business and run if I could.
goat on January 16, 2009 at 5:44 PM
California is the canary in the coal mine for the whole country, or ostrich in this case. It’s what happens when voters decide to raid the piggy bank. Sure the feds could bailout CA, but who is going to bail the US? Nobody.
Somebody has to put the genie back in the bottle. Obama will vote present.
pedestrian on January 16, 2009 at 5:46 PM
Very true, or worst Newsome or Brown, and you know what they did to SF and Oaktown.
Sanjoboy on January 16, 2009 at 5:47 PM
Rocks on January 16, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Because the same people that voted for all those stupid bond props would just vote to uphold them. Hell they voted for that high speed rail even when we were facing the current budget stalemate.
goat on January 16, 2009 at 5:48 PM
Jeez, clear the path to the border, because if the welfare payments stop, a lot of illegals will be “self-deporting” pretty soon. That’s the only reason they’re here in the first place.
califcon on January 16, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Don’t think so, that democratic bastion will get a bailout, and then we all get to be California taxpayers….
Recall them all, right down to the dog catchers.
Hog Wild on January 16, 2009 at 5:50 PM
Sanjoboy on January 16, 2009 at 5:47 PM
I think Gavin Newsom has killed his chances and Willie Brown is a nogo.
goat on January 16, 2009 at 5:51 PM
Limey if you got a brother… bring him. ;)
upinak on January 16, 2009 at 5:51 PM
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