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What are the best conservative movies of the past 25 years?

posted at 10:40 am on January 15, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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John J. Miller at The Corner asks the question:

What are the best conservative movies of the last 25 years? This cinema epoch begins roughly with the release of Red Dawn in 1984.

I might be happy if I could find 25 bona-fide conservative movies at all in the past 25 years.  I’m afraid that most of what Miller will get in response will be of the Red Dawn variety, since the only place safe for conservative themes in Hollywood has been action films.  Red Dawn itself had that in spades, but it was also a rather dreadful movie with more scenery-chewing than one might imagine without William Shatner.  I watched it again recently and found it rather embarrassing, except for the brief appearance by Powers Booth.  “AVENGE MEEEEEEEE!”

There have to be better examples of conservative movies that we can suggest to Miller.  I have a few, and will add those suggested in the comments in updates, or at least the ones that make some sense.  Here are my starters:

  • The Great Raid (2005) – Based on a true story and managed to mostly stick to it, this film also committed the apparently unpardonable sin of telling the truth about the brutal Japanese occupation of the Philippines and their treatment of POWs.  It exemplifies honor, courage, resistance to evil, and risking lives to save others.
  • Saving Private Ryan (1998) – For many of the same reasons as The Great Raid, made even more clear by the highly realistic battle scenes, which make clear the sacrifice asked and made.
  • Requiem for a Dream (2000) – Harrowing depiction of the destruction of lives from drug addiction, even from prescription drugs.  Definitely not for everyone, but brilliant in every aspect of production.  In the end, the main characters lose their souls, their freedom, and their minds.  Perhaps Ellen Burstyn’s best performance.
  • United 93 (2006) – Harrowing and heartrending depiction of the 9/11 flight that didn’t hit its intended target, thanks to the heroism of the passengers on the flight.  Facing certain death, they fought back against the Islamist terrorists, becoming the first Americans to do so on that awful day.
  • Glory (1989) – The true story of the Massachusetts 54th in the Civil War, which led an ill-starred assault on a fortified position for the Union and suffered massive casualties.  The all-black regiment fought for freedom, dignity, and honor, and gave their lives gladly for those causes.  Great performances by Denzel Washington and Morgan Freeman make this highly compelling.
  • Shattered Glass (2003) – The story of the first round of fabrication at The New Republic, with an unexpectedly excellent performance from Hayden Christenson as Stephen Glass, the serial fabulist who succeeded by telling lies about the right people — conservatives.  The film does a good job of pointing that fact out.
  • Lord of the Rings (2001-2003) – The trilogy should occupy one spot, but it’s an important one.  In the fantasy realm, it speaks to true evil and the need to fight it, even to the death.  The final battle, in which Aragorn attempts to sacrifice his entire army so that Frodo can complete the quest, has one of the most stirring battle speeches in film history.  No one in this film argues for moral equivalency or the idea that Sauron might just be misunderstood.

I know I’m missing a few, so let’s hear from Hot Air readers.  Be sure to explain your suggestions in the comments.

Update: The best film you never saw: The Stoning of Soraya M (2008).  Read my review here.  Unfortunately, it’s never made it into wide release, but it should be required viewing for those interested in human freedom.  Made even better by the surprisingly subtle performances of the entire cast.

Update II: The comments section has some great suggestions.  Let me add a few that deserve mention:

  • The Incredibles (2004) – Can’t believe I missed this one.  It focuses on the strength of a family that works together as well as rips the notion that talented people somehow pose a threat to everyone else.  And it’s also flat-out fun for all ages.
  • Gettysburg (1993) – Excellent, fact-based depiction of the bravery and courage on both sides of this battle.
  • 300 (2006) – I’m not normally a big fan of the graphic-novel approach to storytelling, but it works in the story of the Greeks at Thermopylae.  Self-sacrifice for a greater good gets a boost from highly stylized filmmaking.  Not for all tastes, but for its genre, excellent.
  • Braveheart (1995) – Worthy, I think, for its emphasis on resistance to tyranny and defense of homeland against foreign rule.  Historical inaccuracies mar this somewhat, especially the disappearance of the bridge from the Battle of Stirling Bridge.  Still excellent, though, but The Patriot is hobbled badly by its anti-British smears.
  • Juno (2007) – Interesting view of teen pregnancy and the choice to give birth rather than abort.  Not really ideological, but it has much more authenticity than most teen dramedies, and really a beautiful little movie.
  • Team America: World Police (2004) – A twisted satire of conservative values on defense that winds up being itself a defense of conservative values.  Profane as it possibly can get and with one really disturbing scene that got it an NC-17 rating until it was cut, Team America winds up providing one of the best explanations of why we need people willing to fight terrorists and tyrants … which I can’t quote here.
  • The Chronicles of Narnia (2005) – I’ve only seen the first movie, which made C. S. Lewis’ allegory on Christianity rather explicit.  Good movie.
  • Rudy (1993) – Hard work, not feeling sorry for yourself, faith, and love all make for one of the best movies ever — and another one I can’t believe I didn’t recall in the initial post.
  • Cinderella Man (2005) – Definitely a worthy entry.  James J. Braddock goes back to boxing to rescue his family from poverty, and winds up winning the championship.
  • An American Carol (2008) – I thought it was OK, but many others in the comments think it was better.

I’ll keep checking back, but remember that we’re looking at 1984 forward.  We’re getting some excellent suggestions for earlier movies, but we want to focus on this particular time period.

Update III: Definitely on the list: Serenity (2005), which attacks Utopianism as the excuse for totalitarianism that it is.  Shockingly good sci-fi movie on its own, perhaps the best in the last 25 years, it’s even better as the follow-up to the doomed Firefly television series.

Update IV:  I can see that I’ll not get much other work done today.  Two more worthy of consideration, both true stories:

  • Amistad (1997) – Recounts the true story of how John Quincy Adams defended captured Africans for their rebellion on board a slave ship, and how he won their freedom.
  • Amazing Grace (2006) – A biography of William Wilberforce, who led the fight in Great Britain to end the slave trade.

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Ladder 49
Focuses on the lives of firemen and their families. Shows what heroism really is.

Pcoop on January 15, 2009 at 2:47 PM

The Outlaw Josey Wales
A Fistful of Dynamite

BDU-33 on January 15, 2009 at 2:47 PM

“Gallipoli”.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 15, 2009 at 2:43 PM

I wouldn’t call that movie conservative. The point seemed to be “war is pointless, soldiers are either hopeless idealists destined for death or smart enough to get off the front line, and the generals are idiots”

I mean, not that generals weren’t pretty stupid in WWI, but seriously, how was Gallipoli conservative?

apollyonbob on January 15, 2009 at 2:48 PM

I second “Breaker Morant”-and would like to add “Gallipoli”.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 15, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Ditto to both picks. It’s nice to a few members here who take the journey off the Hollywood beaten path once in a while.

Knucklehead on January 15, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Connery’s welsh. Not scottish.

He was born in Edinburgh.
He’s Scots.

Anthony Hopkins is Welsh-speaking of which- I’m adding “Shadowlands”.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 15, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Thanks, folks, for helping all of us update our Netflix queues!

DeathToMediaHacks on January 15, 2009 at 2:00 PM

It is possible for a non-conservative to make a movie with a conservative message–even by accident.

baldilocks on January 15, 2009 at 2:57 PM

Did anyone mention Gran Torino?

Jim62sch on January 15, 2009 at 3:00 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on January 15, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Weird. His accent doesn’t actually sound that Scottish. I guess because it’s comprehensible XD

apollyonbob on January 15, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Did anyone mention Gran Torino?

Jim62sch on January 15, 2009 at 3:00 PM

Seconded! Ed! Gran Torino! You gotta add that one!

apollyonbob on January 15, 2009 at 3:02 PM

From the Earth to the Moon

Knucklehead on January 15, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Fire Proof,(didn’t you see this movie?)
Left Behind.
Uncommon Valor
Facing the Giants.
End of the Spear.
Passion of the Christ.
The Nativity story …(the new one with Keisha Hughes)
Behind Enemy Lines
Patton
The Pianist
We Were Soldiers
Defiance
Black Hawk Down
The Patriot
Life Is Beautiful
Schindler’s List

A pretty good list except Patton is to old to make the cut. I also consider Life is Beautiful, Schindler’s List and the Pianist to be accessible to liberal and conservative hearts with equal impact. The Tim LaHaye Left Behind stuff is too doctrinally specific to be listed here.

I’d add:

Bella
Gladiator
Reign of Fire (Bad ass Marine tells partying Brits “You people disgust me!”)

Of course you have to have Cowboys…
Open Range
&
The #1 DVD in every ranch home in America…
Lonesome Dove (1989)

New for 2008

The Dark Knight
&
Gran Torino (I admit I haven’t seen it yet but it certainly sounds like a contender)

We can count Outside the Wire, right?

rcl on January 15, 2009 at 3:04 PM

A must see for all.
Defiance

http://www.watch-movies.net/movies/defiance/

christene on January 15, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Connery’s welsh. Not scottish.

“Dohvarishhh comrrade.”

apollyonbob on January 15, 2009 at 2:46 PM

the iMDB says that he was born in Edinburgh, Scotland.

“Nyu paaaraaa” (sic)

baldilocks on January 15, 2009 at 3:06 PM

1. He constantly talks about his work as being feminist, ranging from Buffy to the strong female characters that are in all of his work. None of whom really need any saving yet are also feminine.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 15, 2009 at 2:00 PM

How is that anti-conservative? Are women always supposed to be damsels in distress? I mean doesn’t the description you provided fit Sarah Palin to a T?

It’s liberals who see feminism as women becoming more manly and neglecting their femininity; people like pantsuit Clinton, Helen Thomas, Rosie…

Esthier on January 15, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Lord of the Rings

War is upon you, whether you would have it or not.

– Aragorn, son of Arathorn

I R A Darth Aggie on January 15, 2009 at 3:15 PM

baldilocks on January 15, 2009 at 3:06 PM

yeah someone else mentioned that. Weirdly, his accent really sounds Welsh to me.

But yeah, his “Rooshhkee” was interesting XD

Liam Neeson in Widowmaker was pretty bad too. Ford did pretty good as I recall.

apollyonbob on January 15, 2009 at 3:17 PM

DeathToMediaHacks on January 15, 2009 at 2:00 PM
How is that anti-conservative? Are women always supposed to be damsels in distress? I mean doesn’t the description you provided fit Sarah Palin to a T?

It’s liberals who see feminism as women becoming more manly and neglecting their femininity; people like pantsuit Clinton, Helen Thomas, Rosie…

Esthier on January 15, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Yeah, hilarious how he describes his work as feminist because it features strong, self-reliant women, and that’s why we describe it as conservative.

That’s … so … weird…

apollyonbob on January 15, 2009 at 3:18 PM

apollyonbob on January 15, 2009 at 3:18 PM

That’s because true feminism is a conservative value. What’s called feminism today should be called by its real name: misandry.

Vic on January 15, 2009 at 3:23 PM

The Patriot.. is my favorite. Mel Gibson was brilliant!

hawkman on January 15, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Yeah, hilarious how he describes his work as feminist because it features strong, self-reliant women, and that’s why we describe it as conservative.

That’s … so … weird…

apollyonbob on January 15, 2009 at 3:18 PM

I always thought of Whedon as a disciple of James Cameron, who perfected the art of plastering loud girl-power feminist themes over his movies to gain the approval of liberal culture, while simultaneously filling said movies with hot chicks in skimpy clothes and wet shirts. The butt-kicking danger babe can be a figure of both respect and lust at the same time: the fanboy knows that Buffy or Faith could kick his arse sideways, but she’d look awfully good doing it. The college guy can tell the co-eds how River Tam is the living embodiment of power feminism, and hope they won’t notice he’s ogling her cleavage while doing it. It’s similar to the Madonna-Whore Complex, except the Madonna has a shotgun, and the Whore knows kung fu.

Doctor Zero on January 15, 2009 at 3:31 PM

The following are absolutely excellent movies, though they drop off into liberal themes, at the end (unfortunately):

Little Drummer Girl

Man on Fire (better with Denzel, though the Scott Glenn version is also excellent)

progressoverpeace on January 15, 2009 at 3:32 PM

The Assignment (big time)

progressoverpeace on January 15, 2009 at 3:35 PM

And, a new movie,

Sunshine

which is awesome. It is not “conservative” in nature, but shows how liberals are willing to risk all of humanity in order to save a few lives for a few extra years, that would end if the mission fails, anyway. Highly recommended.

progressoverpeace on January 15, 2009 at 3:38 PM

Look, PJ Orourke made this point, conservatism is more than simply a active foreign policy or war stuff.
Therefore, most action movies aren’t “conservative” because their souls are about action. Nonetheless, 300 and LotR would count as actual conservative movies that happen to be about war and shit. Team America is probably the most conservative war movie of recent days. I’d say the Incredibles is incredibly conservative.
And BTW, United 93 is hatefully anti-american. Greengrass blows.

joeindc44 on January 15, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Esthier on January 15, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Why is it that conservatives don’t know their history? It is only recently, basically the 2008 election that the term “feminist” has been anything but a dirty word among conservatives. And it’s shocking how you’ve completely flipped thescript of history. The conservative argument against female suffrage and eventually, women in the workplace and eventually women in public office was that these were MASCULINE roles and that if women took them on they would lose their “natural” femininity and become hard, emotionless pseudo men. Are we actually pretending that hasn’t been a conservative argument pretty much since…forever? If you want to really think about “conservative” movies, think of the movies from the 50-70s that showed women who made more than their husbands or who were ambitious in their jobs as frigid, coldhearted b*tches unable to love and constantly working to undermine everyone else around them. It’s why your side fashioned the insulting term “feminazi” and was pretty much the basis for the entire critic of Hillary.

It’s THOSE claims hedon and second wave feminism which he actively claims he is a part of, worked against. His show defies those notions by showing powerful, intelligent and in-charge women who don’t let these “masculine” roles de-feminize them.

The butt-kicking danger babe can be a figure of both respect and lust at the same time: the fanboy knows that Buffy or Faith could kick his arse sideways, but she’d look awfully good doing it. The college guy can tell the co-eds how River Tam is the living embodiment of power feminism, and hope they won’t notice he’s ogling her cleavage while doing it.

And thanks for proving my point. If you remember anything about Buffy and Faith then you remember that, while sexy, they are 100% in control of their sexual power, have occasional casual sex without giving up power, which is also supremely feminist. Despite what happened in season 2, Whedon’s goal is always been to show that women can have sex out of wedlock and not have it ruin their lives or be evidence of some kind of instability, a FEMINIST and decidedly non-conservative message.
You can’t have him! He’s ours.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 15, 2009 at 3:42 PM

That’s because true feminism is a conservative value. What’s called feminism today should be called by its real name: misandry.

Vic on January 15, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Abso-frickin’-lutely.

nukemhill on January 15, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Doctor Zero on January 15, 2009 at 3:31 PM

Listen.

Sigourney Weaver is a nice looking broad, I guess, and I’m sure lorien would hit that … But she is not a “hot chick in skimpy clothes”.

And Linda Hamilton, also nice looking for someone with hair two-stories high, but also not a “hot chick in skimpy clothes”

And Jamie Lee Curtis spent more of True Lies as frumpy house mom than anything else.

I don’t know if Cameron invented the Girl Ass Kicker, but he certainly popularized the hell out of it.

Whedon has access to some nicer chicks (though seriously – Summer Glau is not even at the same level as Sarah Michelle Gellar) but really, if all a person pulls out of Firefly or Serenity is, “Oh man that is a hot chick that is kicking ass!” then I think that reflects more about that person than it does Whedon.

apollyonbob on January 15, 2009 at 3:46 PM

“Blast from the Past.” The entire movie was one conservative message about values and family, and their deterioration over the past 40 years. Also great performances by all involved.

rivlax on January 15, 2009 at 3:49 PM

“Casablanca” because it’s about doing the right thing.

Skipper50 on January 15, 2009 at 3:50 PM

DeathToMediaHacks on January 15, 2009 at 3:42 PM

And you’re retarded if you think Serenity was a pro-liberal movie.

Feminism aside it’s a movie about a absolutely totalitarian government who wants to make the world a better place. That is liberalism to a T. It’s what the Progressives want, it’s what the Fascists want, it’s what the Communists want, it’s what the Socialists want. It’s what every left-wing government ever conceived wants. Happiness through absolute power of the government. And in the movie, it is absolutely evil.

There’s no way you can say Serenity is pro-liberal. Even if you want to rant about the wikistory of feminism using your version of wikiality, the movie is, on the whole, very libertarian.

I mean come on the Alliance/Independent war is based on the Civil War! And the browncoats? They’re not the Union okay?

apollyonbob on January 15, 2009 at 3:53 PM

DeathToMediaHacks on January 15, 2009 at 3:42 PM

I’m so glad you’re around, baby. How else would I know that I need to stop working, grow my hair out, and put a damn apron on??? Because I can’t be conservative or whatever without looking like a cast member from “Leave It to Beaver.” It’s good to know that you stereotype conservative women like they have to live in some kind of friggin vacuum. You’re a nitwit.

I know I’m past the expiration date on this one, but someone mentioned Casablanca:
The African Queen

mjk on January 15, 2009 at 3:54 PM

BTW – I straight up despise sci fi so I don’t give a crap about what Whedon’s point of this or that in whatever movie is….

mjk on January 15, 2009 at 3:55 PM

I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss the Prequel Trilogy as conservative movies. They certainly weren’t intended that way, but no matter how many obsequious interviews George Lucas gives to the French press about how he wanted to make a $1 trillion insult to George Bush, it’s hard to read the actual plot of the movies as anything but an endorsement of robust foreign policy against aggressors (substitute the Marsh Arabs for the Gungans, and Saddam Hussein for the Trade Federation), the failure of centralized government to solve a nation’s problems, the ease with which benevolent socialism slides into tyranny, the importance of moral law illuminated by spiritual faith, and the danger of an elite ruling class losing touch with its citizens. I’d put it high on the list of supposedly “liberal” movies that actually undermine the liberal faith of its creator.

Doctor Zero on January 15, 2009 at 12:06 PM

I’ll concede the point. It is not until ep. 2 that things go all pacifist. My biggest double take was seeing Amidala go from the Queen, who went off to fight her own war while the Senate discussed it in committee, to the Senator, who was being targeted for assassination by the people she was trying to appease.

Count to 10 on January 15, 2009 at 3:56 PM

I mean come on the Alliance/Independent war is based on the Civil War! And the browncoats? They’re not the Union okay?

apollyonbob on January 15, 2009 at 3:53 PM

Honestly, that part actually got me thinking that maybe the civil war wasn’t as one sided, morally, as I had always assumed.

Count to 10 on January 15, 2009 at 3:59 PM

DeathToMediaHacks on January 15, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Let’s leave the tough chick topic for a second.

How do you explain the dynamic of the totlitarian regime wanting to control peoples’ lives and the people who want to be left alone and live their own lives without government interference.

A strong conservative them if I ever seen one. Parallels our own society where our government is trying to tell people how to live and what to buy and what’s healthy for them. It’s timely subject matter.

Pcoop on January 15, 2009 at 4:00 PM

That’s because true feminism is a conservative value. What’s called feminism today should be called by its real name: misandry.

Vic on January 15, 2009 at 3:23 PM

+1

Count to 10 on January 15, 2009 at 4:01 PM

Count to 10 on January 15, 2009 at 3:59 PM

Yeah reading some history on the actual causes behind the Civil War, and you’re like, “Wait…but I think states should have strong rights” :/

Unfortunately, a federalist gov’t can’t survive if its states are allowed to leave whenever they want.

apollyonbob on January 15, 2009 at 4:01 PM

Pay It Forward. A story about fighting addiction successfully, good parenting, a memorable teacher who makes a difference and child who isn’t afraid to stand up for what’s right.

pbundy on January 15, 2009 at 4:03 PM

mjk on January 15, 2009 at 3:54 PM

Heh.

baldilocks on January 15, 2009 at 4:07 PM

DeathToMediaHacks on January 15, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Which “conservative” are you talking about? Today’s “conservatives” are the heirs of the classic liberals, the very people that gave us womens’ suffrage and the end of slavery. Also, keep in mind that the Hollywood of the ’50s to ’70s was already full of socialists, and not run by conservatives.
You are conflating “traditionalism” with “conservatism.”

Count to 10 on January 15, 2009 at 4:08 PM

I think Empire of the Sun would qualify. It’s from 1987.

grahsco on January 15, 2009 at 4:10 PM

Yeah reading some history on the actual causes behind the Civil War, and you’re like, “Wait…but I think states should have strong rights” :/

Unfortunately, a federalist gov’t can’t survive if its states are allowed to leave whenever they want.

apollyonbob on January 15, 2009 at 4:01 PM

Well, it also leaves me wondering if it could have been avoided. What if, for instance, Lincoln had run on getting rid of the tariffs that hosed the south, while arguing for something like eminent domain for slaves (they were property, and public good seems to apply).

Count to 10 on January 15, 2009 at 4:13 PM

The conservative argument against female suffrage and eventually, women in the workplace and eventually women in public office was that these were MASCULINE roles and that if women took them on they would lose their “natural” femininity and become hard, emotionless pseudo men.

Yeah, I said just that. Conservatives don’t like the idea of women becoming men. Women being women and still having power, is a decidedly conservative ideal, something liberals constantly deride.

Despite what happened in season 2, Whedon’s goal is always been to show that women can have sex out of wedlock and not have it ruin their lives or be evidence of some kind of instability, a FEMINIST and decidedly non-conservative message.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 15, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Did you actually watch the show, or do you just enjoy making stuff up?

Buffy lost her virginity out of wedlock, and then had a new mortal enemy who almost killed her. Being “punished” with a baby is one thing. Having the guy who took your cherry try to kill you and all of your friends until you are forced to put him down yourself even though it’s your fault he’s evil, is quite another.

Then of course the next time she had sex, the guy was just an @ss. The guy after that, the guy she supposedly loved, had a fetish for being bitten by vampires.

Then of course there’s Spike, who tried to rape her. Yeah… that sex was real liberating.

And you have to have been blind if you think he portrayed Faith and her sexual escapades as anything but a cry for help on her part rather than proof that she was anything but unstable.

Then let’s see, there’s Xander, who gets used by Faith even though he thought it meant something. He then goes on to emotionally abuse Anya.

Sex was so destructive for Willow and Xander that they tore apart two seemingly beautiful relationships (chaste relationships at the time) and nearly killed Cordilla, who then later brought Anya, the vengeance demon, to Sunnydale. Surely you remember how that went.

And when Dawn has sex in the comic, she’s turned into a giant.

Am I missing any couples here?

The only one that was presented in a positive light was the lesbian couple, well, arguably Tara and the other one.

Esthier on January 15, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Lone Wolf McQuade

darwin on January 15, 2009 at 4:14 PM

I haven’t read through all of these yet, so I don’t know if anyone has mentioned an Australian movie called The Castle. It is a comedy about a man and his family trying to fight the government’s attempt to take their house in order to expand an airport. Very good and very funny.

Mark1971 on January 15, 2009 at 4:15 PM

HBO’s
Band of Brothers

more of a miniseries really but I liked this even more than saving Private Ryan. Great acting, politcally incorrect in it’s own way.

kangjie on January 15, 2009 at 4:16 PM

How about Friday The 13th? Two irresponsible camp councilors go off to have irresponsible sex while they should be watching a boy who doesn’t swim well. Sex happens. Boy drowns. Years later, that’s a stabbin’. An axin’. Other types of “in’s” too. All by a strong willed mom who misses her boy.

William Teach on January 15, 2009 at 4:17 PM

Ben Hur

MechEng5by5 on January 15, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Why is it that conservatives don’t know their history?

DeathToMediaHacks on January 15, 2009 at 3:42 PM

You’ve got it backwards. It’s liberals who don’t even understand our history. Conservative and Liberal are not political parties. If you can understand that basic but very important distinction, then you might have a shot here.

The two terms evolve depending on the climate. Right now, you’re the “progressives” in favor of CHANGE (cue South Park), but you’ve got to be insane if you think the Party of Lincoln was never liberal.

Esthier on January 15, 2009 at 4:25 PM

Am I missing any couples here?

Rupert and his friend from out of town – not Jenny Calendar.

aengus on January 15, 2009 at 4:27 PM

I would add the film Bella to your list.

The Ugly American on January 15, 2009 at 4:27 PM

Not sure if it’s been mentioned, but where’s The Dark Knight?

sobincorporated on January 15, 2009 at 4:38 PM

I still say Pride & Prejudice needs to be on this list.

I mean just listen to the minister’s speech at the ending wedding which summarizes the moral of the movie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHAAUgMgafs&feature=PlayList&p=5E4FD41987092618&index=1

Starting around 1:22

Sackett on January 15, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Don’t Mess with the Zohan

lavell12 on January 15, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Rupert and his friend from out of town – not Jenny Calendar.

aengus on January 15, 2009 at 4:27 PM

Olivia, apparently (had to look it up; btw “Willow” and “Wesley” are expecting). I don’t remember a thing about her except that I think she visited one time in one episode.

According to wiki she’s basically a friend with benefits, but they apparently broke up at the end of “Hush” because she doesn’t like his job. I suppose that would count as a “good” relationship.

Esthier on January 15, 2009 at 4:45 PM

I suppose that would count as a “good” relationship.

Esthier on January 15, 2009 at 4:45 PM

Well, Joss Whedon hates for his characters to be happy XD So that probably overrides all politics XD

apollyonbob on January 15, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Smokey and the Bandit. Beer, trucks, car racing, fast cars. If we ignore the running from the law part, we have fast muscle car leading the way for a big rig full of beer going back to a NASCAR race. Not to mention Fred. How many liberals would own a Basset Hound? If Michael Moore made the movie, the dog would be a poodle.

William Teach on January 15, 2009 at 4:53 PM

I’ll concede the point. It is not until ep. 2 that things go all pacifist. My biggest double take was seeing Amidala go from the Queen, who went off to fight her own war while the Senate discussed it in committee, to the Senator, who was being targeted for assassination by the people she was trying to appease.

Count to 10 on January 15, 2009 at 3:56 PM

I never quite figured out why Palpatine was, or was not, trying to have Amidala killed at any given moment. I think it’s just impossible for ordinary men to understand the devious mind of a Sith Lord. Either that, or Palpatine’s evil scheme was so complicated that not even he fully understood it. Maybe he made it really complicated on purpose, so that whatever happened, he could cackle and say “everything is proceeding according to my design!” If they ever make Episode VII, I fully expect the ghost of Palpatine to appear and announce that his plan is still fully in effect, and everything happened just the way he planned it. I fully expect George Lucas to do the same thing.

apollyonbob on January 15, 2009 at 3:46 PM

I don’t think the “hot chick in skimpy clothes” stuff is all there is to Cameron or Whedon’s movies – I enjoyed almost everything they’ve done. I think the ritual obesiance to feminism is the mechanism they use to get away with other things the dominant liberal culture might object to. In “Aliens,” the pornography was mostly gun-related, for example – slap a thin layer of female empowerment over a full-bore action movie, and you get Oscar nominations. Whedon is even more obvious about this kind of thing. He’s a very clever writer who can tell a great story, but he definitely knows how to throw certain liberal constiuencies a bone.

Doctor Zero on January 15, 2009 at 4:54 PM

According to wiki she’s basically a friend with benefits, but they apparently broke up at the end of “Hush” because she doesn’t like his job. I suppose that would count as a “good” relationship.

Well I didn’t mean it as an example of a good relationship, just that she wasn’t killed in horrible circumstances which is always a plus.

Well, Joss Whedon hates for his characters to be happy XD So that probably overrides all politics XD

lol

aengus on January 15, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Robert De Niro’s character in Meet the Fockers is great when he rips Gaylord’s parents for hanging up his 10th place medal on the wall. He also debates the hippie father in regards to security and freedom. He has some great lines.

V15J on January 15, 2009 at 5:07 PM

Doctor Zero on January 15, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Really? Movies where a woman is the savior of the entire human race, and another where a woman pilot untrained in any sort of combat area is able to pull off what 20 trained Marines can’t have … thin layers of female empowerment?

Really.

I’m not saying that Cameron is a feminist, not by any stretch. But this business of saying he’s just throwing “liberal constituencies a bone” because he’s making women who don’t sacrifice feminity for power – well, except T2, she sacrifices humanity for power, but that’s different – I think undermines some of the core messages in the movies about femininity and gives credence to the false feminazi/liberal gripes about these directors.

apollyonbob on January 15, 2009 at 5:08 PM

BREACH With Chris Cooper and that moron who left Reese Witherspoon.

And Flags of our Fathers

originalpechanga on January 15, 2009 at 5:12 PM

apollyonbob on January 15, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Hey, it made for decent drama.

Well I didn’t mean it as an example of a good relationship, just that she wasn’t killed in horrible circumstances which is always a plus.

aengus on January 15, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Yeah, cause she was smart enough to stay away. :)

She and Kennedy are the only ones (though wiki mentions a month-long, mystical death for Kennedy; can’t remember that one).

Esthier on January 15, 2009 at 5:16 PM

Really? Movies where a woman is the savior of the entire human race, and another where a woman pilot untrained in any sort of combat area is able to pull off what 20 trained Marines can’t have … thin layers of female empowerment?

apollyonbob on January 15, 2009 at 5:08 PM

Well, technically the woman gives birth to the savior of the entire human race, and I always found Ripley’s transformation from determined survivor in “Alien” to butt-kicking, gun-blazing super-solider in “Aliens” to be rather silly, but your mileage may vary. The whole point behind the finale of “Aliens” is to make a thematic point about maternal instincts and empowerment, at the expense of plot logic and common sense. I think the only really competent alien was the one who died on the Nostromo, because that thing could have torn through all 20 Marines, Ripley, and Andrea Dworkin.

For the most part, Cameron has been fairly graceful about inserting ideological hobby-horses into his movies, except for the time he rode one around underwater for two and a half hours in “The Abyss.” (War is bad, m’kay? And if you watch the Director’s Cut, you get a literal tidal wave of facile moral equivalence as a bonus!) Whedon is a little clumsier about it, making his characters dance to some unconvincing tunes to win those accolades from all the right people. They’re both, on balance, very good storytellers, and I give Whedon some credit for following the “Firefly” story to its logical conclusion in “Serenity,” even though it ran counter to his own self-expressed liberal beliefs. For an example of how silly feminist themes can be inserted into a movie incompetently, I recommend the fourth “Alien” movie.

Doctor Zero on January 15, 2009 at 5:32 PM

Second “Blast from the Past”

Sackett on January 15, 2009 at 5:34 PM

Hamburger Hill
Red Dawn

Old eagle on January 15, 2009 at 5:42 PM

I haven’t read through all of these yet, so I don’t know if anyone has mentioned an Australian movie called The Castle. It is a comedy about a man and his family trying to fight the government’s attempt to take their house in order to expand an airport. Very good and very funny.

Mark1971 on January 15, 2009 at 4:15 PM

No one’s mentioned The Castle, but it’s a great pick. I just saw it a couple weeks ago on the IFC Channel, which is the second best cable channel evahh……….TCM being the bestest!

Knucklehead on January 15, 2009 at 5:44 PM

The Dark Knight.

Heath Ledger’s Joker is a perfect metaphor for Islamic terrorists: In his attempt to destabilize a society and create anarchy to advance his own agenda, the Joker expressed no regard for his own life or the lives of the mostly innocent citizens of Gotham. His sole purpose was to terrorize and use threats of violence to get his way.

Batman/Bruce Wayne mirrored George W. Bush: the misunderestimated hero who sacrificed his reputation and exhausted his resources to safeguard the citizens of the city he swore to protect, oftentimes by employing tactics some may deem “morally ambiguous”. Despite his unwavering resolve and successful efforts, he was demonized by the very people he protected because he valued human life and safety over personal opinion polls.

Johnny C. on January 15, 2009 at 5:46 PM

Has anybody mentioned The Lost City by Andy Garcia? Roger L. Simon discussed it back in April 2006.

ForNow on January 15, 2009 at 5:48 PM

Johnny C. on January 15, 2009 at 5:46 PM

Beat me to it! I was sure I wasn’t the only person to see the resemblance.

sleepy-beans on January 15, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Heath Ledger’s Joker is a perfect metaphor for Islamic terrorists: In his attempt to destabilize a society and create anarchy to advance his own agenda, the Joker expressed no regard for his own life or the lives of the mostly innocent citizens of Gotham.

He also expressed no motivation for his elaborate terrorist attacks which imo makes him an imperfect metaphor for Islamic terrorists who cite specific passages from the Koran in explanation for the mass murder they commit. The Joker is just a nihilist.

aengus on January 15, 2009 at 5:52 PM

Well in fairness the Joker expresses several different, contradictory motivations for his terrorism which makes him a perfect MSM/jihadist composite. The jihadists murder en masse and the MSM come up with several wildly implausible and competing theories as to the motivation behind it, all false.

aengus on January 15, 2009 at 5:55 PM

Maybe not one of the top 25, but Space Cowboys, the “old guys” saving the day.

Armagedeon – Bruce Willis saves the day….

And DUH…ANY (and all Die Hard Movies)

HarryStar on January 15, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Movies that were panned by many critics PRECISELY BECAUSE of their strong conservative themes:

TEARS OF THE SUN: Elite SEAL team decides to go against orders and escort a group of refugees to the border while fighting off determined rebels intent on slaughter. For once the peacekeepers refuse to stand down and stand back and watch the genocide.

Apocalypto: Mel Gibson’s ode to the human spirit – and a warning about pat liberal beliefs that all the problems in the Americas have always been the fault of the white man, as he shows Mayans well versed in the slavery/genocide thing before Columbus ever got here.

The Mission: Robert DeNiro and Jeremy Irons team up to make a tour de force about human freedom vs. human oppression in South America, as Catholic Church abandons Christian natives to Portugese slavers because it’s politcally expidient. DeNiro’s transformation from hard, brutal slaver to humble priest is incredible. Look for Liam Neeson in an early role as one of the priests who has to choose between following the Church’s order to abandon the Indians, or staying and fighting with them.

Outland: Sean Connery remakes ‘High Noon’ in space and does a hell of a job of it; this time he’s going against drug dealing tacitly allowed and enabled by a corporate director, even though it’s killing people. And the overall consensus of everybody on Io, one of Jupiter’s moons, is that the status quo is fine and this straight arrow Marshall should just get lost – and if somebody helps him fall out of an airlock nobody is going to shed any tears.

True Lies: One of the last Hollywood movies that dared show terrorists as being Islamic fanatics. Since 9-11 we’ve had a deluge of films depicting white American skinheads as the most dangerous sub-group on earth. If you didn’t know any better and just got your info from movies, you’d assume white, right-wing guys were blowing crap up all over the world. Plus this movie has got Jamie Lee Curtis dancing in a bra and panties.

manofaiki on January 15, 2009 at 6:06 PM

Some people see Ayn Rand in The Incredibles.

MamaAJ on January 15, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Oh come on! Ayn Rand is one of those names that gets thrown out by psuedo-intellectuals with full knowledge that nobody will have enough knowledge about Rand to agree or disagree. These people see Ayn Rand in everything! ;-0

highhopes on January 15, 2009 at 6:11 PM

And Flags of our Fathers

Reese’s ex in in that too.
He played John Bradley.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 15, 2009 at 6:17 PM

Originalpechanga
That was supposed to be in quotes.
apologies.*grin*

annoyinglittletwerp on January 15, 2009 at 6:20 PM

Actually there is some Ayn Rand stuff in The Incredibles which had some of the same people working on it as on Disney’s Tail Spin cartoon series many of whose episodes had Randian themes and – dare I say it? – motifs.

ForNow on January 15, 2009 at 6:23 PM

And DUH…ANY (and all Die Hard Movies)

Die Hard With A Vengeance is especially good imo.

aengus on January 15, 2009 at 6:23 PM

Late in the thread but here’s something to ponder:

What exactly is a conservative-themed movie? Lots of valor in war entries and religious based entries. Personally I added Heartbreak Ridge (1986) for the way it portrayed the human side of Marines behind the bravado, Amazing Grace (2006) for the way it portrayed faith as the motivation for persistently attacking the status quo with an unpopular idea, and Pursuit of Happyness for the way it showed that success isn’t easy, takes persistence, and can’t be done without the help of those around you.

There are plenty of liberal movies that have these same themes to a different end. The American President- that God awful movie that shows up every week on TNT suggests that bedding lobbyists is OK so long as you have the best interests of the nation at heart. Pay it Forward uses a cute child to send the message that we are all selfish bastards who don’t deserve to live.

So what themes differentiate a “Conservative” movie from the liberal ones?

highhopes on January 15, 2009 at 6:23 PM

and – dare I say it? – motifs.

ForNow on January 15, 2009 at 6:23 PM

Only if you want to sound pretentious! :-0

highhopes on January 15, 2009 at 6:24 PM

Esthier on January 15, 2009 at 4:13 PM

I had a professor in college that loved Buffy.

He said that Buffy and Angel were the perfect embodiment of the whole, “The minute you have sex with a guy he turns into a monster” concept.

JadeNYU on January 15, 2009 at 6:25 PM

Windtalkers–an action war film directed by John Woo. Nicolas Cage and Christian Slater star as two US Marine sergeants assigned to protect Navajo code talkers in Saipan during World War II.

Dollayo on January 15, 2009 at 6:27 PM

Only if you want to sound pretentious! :-0
highhopes on January 15, 2009 at 6:24 PM

Jeez, I’m not even an Ayn Randian but you’re attacking me merely for defending the idea that some cartoons were influenced by her. Methinks that you are about 15 years old and would be more at home at the Daily Kos but for the ideology.

ForNow on January 15, 2009 at 6:29 PM

The Patriot.. is my favorite. Mel Gibson was brilliant!

hawkman on January 15, 2009 at 3:27 PM

This film keeps coming up and the problem I have with it is that the history is completely whack (i.e. Hollywood) They tried to make a Revolutionary War period piece out of Rambo.

The general theme of reluctant warrior joining the fight is a Hollywood standard and of the stuff that a conservative film would include. But, then they start making stuff up about atrocities perpetrated by the British and tactics of the Americans. They spend more time showing how Heath Ledger’s character is able to bed his girlfriend despite being sewn into his blanket than they do figuring out a historically accurate reason why Mel Gibson’s character would go from pacifist to bloodthirsty patriot.

In short, there are many real stories that are far more compelling than this movie (Andrew Jackson’s bio during this period for just one example) than making up stuff about British killing off whole towns by torching them while they worship in church.

highhopes on January 15, 2009 at 6:36 PM

ForNow on January 15, 2009 at 6:29 PM

Lighten up, I never attacked you.

highhopes on January 15, 2009 at 6:38 PM

Lighten up, I never attacked you.

highhopes on January 15, 2009 at 6:38 PM

To the contrary. You attacked someone else on the Ayn Rand thing with only purely speculative ad hominems, including a reference to “pseudo-intellectuals” that seemed psychological projection. Then when I corroborated the other commenter on the Ayn Rand issue, you jabbed me, in a way that was not to the point, but instead pure jab. You’re the one who needs to back off.

ForNow on January 15, 2009 at 6:45 PM

ForNow on January 15, 2009 at 6:45 PM

Whatever. You are completely wrong but entitled to your opinion for the next few days. I’m not going to waste the last few days of open speech on somebody like you.

highhopes on January 15, 2009 at 6:56 PM

I know I’m late to the discussion, but I wanted to add my $.02 about Serenity. It was on Sci Fi the other night, and it blew my mind. The whole movie was about how the government, trying to control people, caused the deaths of an entire planet, created an evil enemy (leading to more deaths), and then ignored the consequences! Oh, and they were trying to force their lifestyle on everybody else. It may have been a Joss Whedon movie, but it was damn conservative. The crew of the Serenity would have fought to the death to let people know about the truth of Miranda – and nearly did die. It makes me wish more people would make sci fi movies like this.

Also, many other movies mentioned are very good movies with conservative aspects. There are a few I’ll need to take a second look at, or more likely, a first look!

Anna on January 15, 2009 at 7:03 PM

I’m not going to waste the last few days of open speech on somebody like you.

highhopes on January 15, 2009 at 6:56 PM

Heh. Absolutely perfect … unfortunately.

progressoverpeace on January 15, 2009 at 7:05 PM

Easy: Dumb and Dumber

benny shakar on January 15, 2009 at 7:18 PM

He said that Buffy and Angel were the perfect embodiment of the whole, “The minute you have sex with a guy he turns into a monster” concept.

JadeNYU on January 15, 2009 at 6:25 PM

Literally no less.

Esthier on January 15, 2009 at 7:35 PM

Did Fight Club make it on the comments? haven’t had a chance to go back and check..

maybe it’s a generational thing..

Tyler Durden:

Man, I see in fight club the strongest and smartest men who’ve ever lived. I see all this potential, and I see squandering. G*d damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don’t need. We’re the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War’s a spiritual war… our Great Depression is our lives. We’ve all been raised on television to believe that one day we’d all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won’t. And we’re slowly learning that fact. And we’re very, very pissed off.

maybe it’s my perspective, but it’s like a Gen X wake up call

DaveC on January 15, 2009 at 8:05 PM

Gran Torino

Inzax on January 15, 2009 at 8:46 PM

Okay, I’m way late to the discussion and I don’t see a lot of movies, so some of these are unknowns. Thanks for the recs. I’ll have to rent them. I loved Bella and agree with that.

On the Lord of the Rings, I think my favorite line is “How did it come to this?” as King Theoden is being strapped into his armor. Chilling…

I don’t know how overall conservative I think this movie is, but this line from Jurassic Park is one of the most conservative I’ve ever heard.

“Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.”~Jeff Goldblum’s character.

pannw on January 15, 2009 at 8:55 PM

I loved, loved loved Amazing Grace and Juno.

Winebabe on January 15, 2009 at 9:34 PM

Has “Meet the Robinsons” been mentioned?? It’s my favorite modern Disney movie. A main theme is taking personal responsibility. I was shocked by the moral of the story. It even makes fun of those who blame everyone else for their problems. To top it off, it’s pro-adoption as well. It’s very inspirational and uplifting. I love the ending with Walt’s motto “Keep moving forward”. Plus, it’s funny as heck!

“Big head, little arms!” makes me crack up everytime I put the DVD on for my nephews and “Goob” is hysterical.

I wouldn’t call it “The Best”, but it is *one* of the best. Lord of the Rings gets “The Best” title from me… love, love, love it!! I’m usually beyond picky when my favorite books are made into movies (which is why I HATE the recent Narnia movies), but Peter Jackson is a genious! I only had a few quibbles with it (such as Aragorn needed to be more confidant) but overall it was a masterpiece of following a book faithfully and doing it JUSTICE.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on January 15, 2009 at 9:45 PM

No one in this film argues for moral equivalency or the idea that Sauron might just be misunderstood.

And THAT makes it BRILLIANT!!

…..oh – and I’d chime in for Batman Begins or The Dark Knight, as well!

grtflmark on January 15, 2009 at 10:10 PM

Firefly/Serenity is loosely based on post-Civil War America and the Browncoats are the equivalent of Confederate soldiers who head west after the war for the freedom of the frontier. The overriding philosophy is closer to libertarianism than conservatism. I agree, though, that Serenity is a brilliant depiction of the danger of Utopian attempts to re-engineer human behavior.

It’s great sci-fi however you want to label it.

rsrobinson on January 15, 2009 at 10:24 PM

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