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Was the Minnesota Recount unconstitutional?

posted at 5:00 pm on January 15, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Remember Bush v Gore in 2000?  We may be headed back to that as a precedent for the Minnesota recount in the Senate election between Norm Coleman and Al Franken.  University of St. Thomas law professor Michael Stokes Paulsen calls the recount “a legal train wreck”, certain to be scotched by federal courts at some point:

You would think people would learn. The recount in the contest between Norm Coleman and Al Franken for a seat in the U.S. Senate isn’t just embarrassing. It is unconstitutional.

This is Florida 2000 all over again, but with colder weather. Like that fiasco, Minnesota’s muck of a process violates the Equal Protection Clause of the U.S. Constitution. Indeed, the controlling Supreme Court decision is none other than Bush v. Gore. …

Minnesota is Bush v. Gore reloaded. The details differ, but not in terms of arbitrariness, lack of uniform standards, inconsistency in how local recounts were conducted and counted, and strange state court decisions.

Consider the inconsistencies: One county “found” 100 new votes for Mr. Franken, due to an asserted clerical error. Decision? Add them. Ramsey County (St. Paul) ended up with 177 more votes than were recorded election day. Decision? Count them. Hennepin County (Minneapolis, where I voted — once, to my knowledge) came up with 133 fewer votes than were recorded by the machines. Decision? Go with the machines’ tally. All told, the recount in 25 precincts ended up producing more votes than voters who signed in that day.

Then there’s Minnesota’s (first, so far) state Supreme Court decision, Coleman v. Ritchie, decided by a vote of 3-2 on Dec. 18. (Two justices recused themselves because they were members of the state canvassing board.) While not as bad as Florida’s interventions, the Minnesota Supreme Court ordered local boards to count some previously excluded absentee ballots but not others. Astonishingly, the court left the decision as to which votes to count to the two competing campaigns and forbade local election officials to correct errors on their own.

We’ve noted some of the odd decisions made by both the Canvassing Board and the state courts during this period.  The most strange came when the Supreme Court left it to the two campaigns to decide which absentee ballots should be counted and which should not.  Political campaigns do not run elections — the states do, and the legal authority for this question should have been the counties, under state law.

The question now facing the courts, especially the federal courts once the case goes to appeal, will be whether the Election Day vote can be salvaged.  Paulsen offers a very pessimistic view.  The opening of rejected absentee ballots makes that unlikely.  Also, in at least 25 precincts, we now have more votes than signatures from people who got ballots on Election Day.  It will be almost impossible to determine which votes were valid and which were artifacts of the recount.  With only 225 votes separating the two candidates, Paulsen considers the recount too unreliable.

The remedy?  A do-over.  Unlike in Bush v Gore, we have no real deadline pressing on Minnesota for a resolution.  Tim Pawlenty can make an interim appointment while the state prepares for a run-off election.  Unfortunately, a court will have a difficult time ordering such a solution; that would have to originate with the state legislature, which won’t be terribly motivated to act in such a manner while Franken holds any kind of lead.


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sounds good to me

rob verdi on January 15, 2009 at 5:03 PM

Yep, the different descisions that the various county boards made won’t pass muster under the Equal Protection clause…

Add in the vote count shenanigans, and you have a clearly tainted election.

But wait, I’m sure that legal scholar, Harry Reid, will soon weigh in and try to seat the Democrat, because you know, that all that is important now days.

Romeo13 on January 15, 2009 at 5:05 PM

stare decisis

Wade on January 15, 2009 at 5:05 PM

I have an option… Prosecute those who obviously committed voter fraud.

If these sorts of shenanigans stand we basically no longer have the right to vote. Elections will be decided by who counts ballots, not by who casts them.

This is exactly what would have happened had Gore ever at any point taken a lead in the Flori-DUH recount, it would have at that instant been “over”.

Soros has spent a LOT of money getting leftist secretaries of state elected since 2000. It’s time conservatives start countering this.

wildcat84 on January 15, 2009 at 5:07 PM

will the vote for lizard man survive a supreme court review.

rob verdi on January 15, 2009 at 5:07 PM

The remedy? A do-over.

And a win for Coleman. Franken only got that number of voter because Franklin DelanObama was on the ballot.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 15, 2009 at 5:08 PM

“doggone it, I should win, because [liberal] people like me” – Stuart Smalley

kirkill on January 15, 2009 at 5:08 PM

Yep, the different descisions that the various county boards made won’t pass muster under the Equal Protection clause…

Add in the vote count shenanigans, and you have a clearly tainted election.

But wait, I’m sure that legal scholar, Harry Reid, will soon weigh in and try to seat the Democrat, because you know, that all that is important now days.

Oh I hope Reid DOES act to try to seat Frankin.

Nothing illustrates the FACT that the Dems ARE the true bigots than the fact that Reid wants to seat a white who clearly hasn’t been elected legitimately whilst stonewalling a black man who was quite legally appointed. By a scumbag, true, but an as yet not convicted scumbag.

wildcat84 on January 15, 2009 at 5:08 PM

I don’t know how you declare a vote valid, when the vote exceeds the number of people able to cast a vote…call me crazy, but I don’t think 1 + 1 = 3, except in a liberal math book.

right2bright on January 15, 2009 at 5:09 PM

With several rulings that are contradictory, it’s impossible to determine who the winner of this race is. I examine the entire recount here. Al Franken can throw all the hissy fits he wants but that doesn’t prove he’s the winner. NOT BY A LONG SHOT!!!

LFRGary on January 15, 2009 at 5:09 PM

The people of Minnesota have spoken and here we even count imaginary people; marginalizing citizens who don’t exist is just mean.

Bishop on January 15, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Why waste more taxpayer time & money. Throw out all the absentee ballots because now the whole absentee process is obviously tainted and just count the voting machine tallies. Yea, it disenfranchises people but then so does this whole mess of a recount.

Done That on January 15, 2009 at 5:18 PM

More good news may be that Minnesota is in the Eighth Circuit Court, which is very conservative. Of 18 justices, only 3 were appointed by Democrats (2 Clinton, 1 LBJ). It is likely their decisions that will decide the outcome of any actions that make their way into the federal courts – I don’t think the Supreme Court will accept or review decisions if the questions are the same as Bush v. Gore.

Kenrod on January 15, 2009 at 5:19 PM

Why let something meaningless like the rule of law get in the way of giving Frankenstein the win?

ZK on January 15, 2009 at 5:20 PM

Why waste more taxpayer time & money. Throw out all the absentee ballots because now the whole absentee process is obviously tainted and just count the voting machine tallies. Yea, it disenfranchises people but then so does this whole mess of a recount.

Done That on January 15, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Yeah, good solution, lets throw out the absentee ballots of those valiant men and women in Iraq and Afganistan… or sitting on military ships or stations throughout the world…

While leaving the vote counts from the counties that have MORE votes registered, than they had people sign in to vote…

Yeah… real good solution…. NOT…

Romeo13 on January 15, 2009 at 5:23 PM

I’m sick of hearing about this.

Xolom on January 15, 2009 at 5:23 PM

It’s a mulligan.
Randy

williars on January 15, 2009 at 5:24 PM

The recount was a mess in itself. Norm Coleman won, period.
The best thing for the courts to do as suggested, a special election.

If the special election does occur, it will be interesting to see the result. Would Obama go to campaign for Stuart Smalley? Palin for Coleman? Who would win then? Obviously Norm.

jencab on January 15, 2009 at 5:25 PM

A runoff makes sense. After all, there were more than two candidates, and nobody got more than 50%.

SoulGlo on January 15, 2009 at 5:30 PM

Those who count the votes decide everything.
~ Vladimir Lenin

MB4 on January 15, 2009 at 5:30 PM

While leaving the vote counts from the counties that have MORE votes registered, than they had people sign in to vote…

Romeo13 on January 15, 2009 at 5:23 PM

You must be some kind of pulsist, believing that only people with a pulse can vote.

MB4 on January 15, 2009 at 5:33 PM

I’m sick of hearing about this.
Xolom on January 15, 2009 at 5:23 PM

I hear ya, voter and election fraud is soooo last century. Besides, it’s not as if an extra DFL senator will make a difference in the perfectly split senate.

Bishop on January 15, 2009 at 5:36 PM

I’m sick of hearing about this.

Xolom on January 15, 2009 at 5:23 PM

Don’t listen, your choice.

Wade on January 15, 2009 at 5:37 PM

You must be some kind of pulsist, believing that only people with a pulse can vote.

MB4 on January 15, 2009 at 5:33 PM

ROFL… Gotta admit that the Dems are progresive…

They’ve gone from the Joe Kennedy days, of the dead voting, until now they just create voters out of thin air…

hmmm… maybe they got a Star Trek Tranporter/Replicator thing goin… Progress from Progressives!

Romeo13 on January 15, 2009 at 5:37 PM

jencab on January 15, 2009 at 5:25 PM

I dunno, the Indy candidate got quite a few votes, a new election might go his way because the peeps are tired of the tug of war between Franken and Coleman.

Bishop on January 15, 2009 at 5:37 PM

Why not line up everyone in Minnesota in one very long line, in the cold……….

……… have them provide proof of who they are and ability to vote,

Then vote…………

One polling place, everyone watching, no schenanagans……..

………… next time, they might learn their lesson.

Seven Percent Solution on January 15, 2009 at 5:43 PM

Good point-A central issue in the Bush v Gore decision was that the Electors had to meet, so time ran out-no such timetable here.

oddball on January 15, 2009 at 5:45 PM

You don,t understand the Dems don,t need no stinking Constitution to run this state or the country.It,s there brith rite don,t you know you boob Consev.

thmcbb on January 15, 2009 at 5:46 PM

I don’t know about Minnesota, but in Washington the law is clear that a recount is not a recanvass. It is simply counting again the ballots that were counted on election night. Of course that was ignored in 2004 with Governor Gregoire.

munseym on January 15, 2009 at 5:47 PM

If, for example, 3500 voters in County A signed in a precincts all over the county, then there should be 3500 ballots, no more, no less.

How “new” ballots can be found and raise the total for County A to 3750, and the ballots be considered “legal” defies logic.

Frankly, or Frankenly, a special election should be held, and the state legislature should get busy and set the date.

coldwarrior on January 15, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Unfortunately, a court will have a difficult time ordering such a solution; that would have to originate with the state legislature, which won’t be terribly motivated to act in such a manner while Franken holds any kind of lead.

Why can’t SCOTUS order a do-over?

toliver on January 15, 2009 at 5:52 PM

Whoops, I did it again. I’ll have a do-over:

Unfortunately, a court will have a difficult time ordering such a solution; that would have to originate with the state legislature, which won’t be terribly motivated to act in such a manner while Franken holds any kind of lead.

Why can’t SCOTUS order a do-over?

toliver on January 15, 2009 at 5:53 PM

Maybe Jimmah Carter can observe the recount!

grapeknutz on January 15, 2009 at 5:57 PM

If there is a bright side to this, it is that it will rub some of the smugness I’ve seen from MN officials that they did it so much better than Florida in 2000. I saw this “trainwreck” from the beginning by the way the recount was so inconsistent about which votes got a second (third fourth whatever) look and which votes (including the military vote) that was tossed aside like a McCain/Palin banner on November 5th.

Recounts aren’t easy and the officials in charge in MN should have operated as if this was all going to be headed to a legal showdown and acted accordingly. They should this minute be able to defend beyond all question why the recount was so arbitrary but they cannot. Shame on them all and maybe they won’t be so smug the next time.

highhopes on January 15, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Those who count the votes decide everything.
~ Vladimir Lenin

MB4 on January 15, 2009 at 5:30 PM

Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything. ~ George Soros

petefrt on January 15, 2009 at 6:12 PM

Bill O’reilly needs to run and win a Senate seat. Than we could see an O’Reilly vs. Franken death match.

portlandon on January 15, 2009 at 6:23 PM

Don’t I remember the SCOTUS making a big deal at the time of Bush v. Gore that it was a one-time decision, not a precedent for future rulings (as in stare decisis)?

cs89 on January 15, 2009 at 6:30 PM

Does Minnesota really need two Senators? Or, more to the point, does Minnesota deserve two Senators?

Since you guys elected a wrestler as governor, I think that set the precedent. A caged death-match.

connertown on January 15, 2009 at 6:38 PM

A rematch is the ONLY fair way to settle this.

Quetzal on January 15, 2009 at 6:45 PM

So wait, Franken tried to pull a gotcha on Scalia years ago and now he might actually have to have a case decided by him? Man, it’d be poetic justice if Anton got a chance to give Al the big FU.

Dave_d on January 15, 2009 at 6:46 PM

Does Minnesota really need two Senators? Or, more to the point, does Minnesota deserve two Senators?

Question 1: Yes per the Constitution.

Question 2: Iffy at best. Outside of California, MN is the most likely state to elect freaks and extremists. They shame that whole Midwest values things by their selections. Coleman is no prize but he should have won in a walk over something like Franken. If it is this close, the state deserves the freak.

highhopes on January 15, 2009 at 7:04 PM

But wait, I’m sure that legal scholar, Harry Reid, will soon weigh in and try to seat the Democrat, because you know, that all that is important now days.

Romeo13 on January 15, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Legal scholar Joe Biden will instruct everyone about how Franklin D. Roosevelt gave a television address after the stock market crash of 1929 and solved the dilemma of a contested senatoral election.

Johan Klaus on January 15, 2009 at 7:08 PM

The logical thing would seem to be to have a do-over where only those who voted in Nov 2008 can vote in the do-over. Being the logical solution, means it won’t happen.

A do-over with that allows all comers to vote would end up an ACORN fiasco with newly registered folks coming in from everywhere to vote.

droofus on January 15, 2009 at 7:26 PM

Franken should never have franking privileges.

REDO!

profitsbeard on January 15, 2009 at 7:30 PM

Fuck the politicians, the citizens should DEMAND a new election between Coleman and Franken. This puts the final decision where it belongs, WITH THE PEOPLE.

GarandFan on January 15, 2009 at 7:48 PM

will the vote for lizard man survive a supreme court review.

rob verdi on January 15, 2009 at 5:07 PM

I believe so. He’s being sworn in next week.

Oh… did you mean some other reptile?

/sarc

Y-not on January 15, 2009 at 7:58 PM

Fuck the politicians, the citizens should DEMAND a new election between Coleman and Franken. This puts the final decision where it belongs, WITH THE PEOPLE.

GarandFan on January 15, 2009 at 7:48 PM

I agree and I don’t.

I agree that if the election was so botched by procedure and mismanagement it needs a new election. But what does it mean to those other offices on the same tickets? Are there close elections out there that are effected by these ballots that are included or not?

In a statewide vote (like US Senator) how do you re-vote without putting the results for all the other races in question where the voting was close? It’s a legitmate question. Keep in mind those included and excluded votes only concerned themselves with the Senate race. How many of them have the potential of changing other “certified” outcomes?

highhopes on January 15, 2009 at 8:00 PM

Does Minnesota really need two Senators? Or, more to the point, does Minnesota deserve two Senators?

Since you guys elected a wrestler as governor, I think that set the precedent. A caged death-match.

connertown on January 15, 2009 at 6:38 PM

THUNDERDOME!

Two candidates enter, one candidate leaves!

VekTor on January 15, 2009 at 8:13 PM

Since you guys elected a wrestler as governor, I think that set the precedent. A caged death-match.

connertown on January 15, 2009 at 6:38 PM

I’d like to think Norm would kick a lung out of FrankenSpaz, but Norm kinda comes off as not real tough.

But I do think Norm would have the wontons to show up for battle. Franken…not so much.

DO IT OVER!!!!

Franken will be all against a run off. He knows he’ll get beat…badly.

BigWyo on January 15, 2009 at 8:21 PM

Wait a minute. This election is super legal compared with Johnson’s first senate win in Texas as well as many in Illinois including Kennedy /Johnson win in sixty. Some cheating has always been allowed. What happened to equal protection in the Constitution.

burt on January 15, 2009 at 8:37 PM

Hey since when did they hire our secretary of voter registration..

heck here we even had the dead voting not once but twice..
so i thought this could never happen again..

nope you hired him morons..

jcila on January 15, 2009 at 9:04 PM

gee, woulda been nice to have such a remedy TWO MONTHS AGO!

/sorry ed, i’m still dissing mn until they clean up this mess …

Buckaroo on January 15, 2009 at 9:35 PM

We need to indeed the fiascos that are recounts.

Who believes that telling a bunch of partisans the exact (and small) number of votes they need to produce to get their candidate elected is a more accurate way to count the votes then election night?

Count the votes and finalize the tally and that should be it.

We’ve seen this happen in three high profile elections now and the whole one that didn’t turn into a *complete* fiasco is the one that was stopped in the middle of the theft, err, process – Bush v Gore in Florida…

18-1 on January 15, 2009 at 9:37 PM

Please…please..please…let there be a run off.

Fragile Little Snowflake Franken has had a glimpse of victory. At one point in time, his pea brain registered the fact that yes, he could be a United States Senator!!

To see him get completely and utterly crushed in a run off with the whole country watching would be almost as good as busting him a good one right in the chops.

Almost…

BigWyo on January 15, 2009 at 10:33 PM

I think this is fairly simple to resolve.

The court will in fact determine that the recount is invalid due to the various reasons mentioned most everywhere. This will leave the initial machine count as the only legitimate one.

The canvasing board/secretary of state in Minnesota will then have to determine if it is possible to conduct a legitimate recount. If they determine they need to try to count them again, then they will. If they determine that the integrity of the ballots has been compromised, which is what is indicated by the various descrepencies in the hand count, then the initial machine count will stand.

Now me, I find it funny that after all the years of machine counts, there are so many people that dont remember just how bad hand counting actually is! In fact, it was because of all of the terrible mistakes made in hand counting that we went to machine counting in the first place.

Freddy on January 16, 2009 at 12:52 AM

mistakes ?

davod on January 16, 2009 at 5:51 AM

There is another angle, you know.

Has anyone actually seen Franken’s birth certificate?

jeff_from_mpls on January 16, 2009 at 7:06 AM

To the dude who is tired of hearing about this…

The American election system has been compromised by thugs and cheats, and you’re sick of hearing about this.

What has happened to American exceptionalism?
What has happened to accountability with Americans?
What has happened to human integrity with Americans?
What has happened to the old idea of winning over your fellow people by way of ideas and solutions?

Screw Frankin and his band of thugs and cheats! I hope we keep hearing about this until some accountability appears!

Keemo on January 16, 2009 at 7:49 AM

And to think how much ridicule was heaped upon Florida voters in 2000…..Minnesota is about to become the ‘Belgium’ of the USA.

LimeyGeek on January 16, 2009 at 12:22 PM

This is a disgrace. Franken is a liar and a cheat. The election should be done over and monitored closely by both parties to ensure no cheating or voter fraud.

That is the only solution. Of course in a FAIR election we know who would win and it ain’t the assclown from SNL!!@!!

Winebabe on January 16, 2009 at 2:27 PM

The problem in Florida was that they tried to change the rules in mid-stream after people had already voted. In the Minesota case it seems that they already had crazy rules and everyone tried to follow them but with inconsistent results. I’m not sure the two cases are comparable, but I admit to not following the details in this story.

JackOfClubs on January 16, 2009 at 4:45 PM

The remedy? A do-over.

Yes.

apacalyps on January 16, 2009 at 6:46 PM

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