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posted at 10:30 pm on January 15, 2009 by Allahpundit
“Ms. Sherine was joined by Oxford zoologist Richard Dawkins, a leading British atheist and author of ‘The God Delusion.’
He predicted anger from believers. ‘They have to take offense, it is the only weapons they’ve got,’ Mr. Dawkins said as the first bus rolled through the streets of London. ‘They’ve got no arguments.’
But the response by most faith leaders isn’t quite what was expected.”
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Did they post any substituting “Allah” for “God”? Thought not.
MCPO Airdale on January 15, 2009 at 10:32 PM
He’s wrong about this. Maybe he ought to reexamine the rest of his ideas, along these lines, to see where else he was wrong.
In the end, atheists (not all, but in general) tend to be offended by things such as this, so maybe needs to look a little more inwards.
progressoverpeace on January 15, 2009 at 10:35 PM
LOL… The atheists clearly wanted the Christians to take the bait, but it seems that most Christians have lives and are not crazy extremists who get bent out of shape about everything.
Illinidiva on January 15, 2009 at 10:37 PM
Did they post any substituting “Allah” for “God”? Thought not.
MCPO Airdale on January 15, 2009 at 10:32 PM
Of course not, the atheists wanted to live long enough to see the official reaction.
Bishop on January 15, 2009 at 10:37 PM
He predicted anger from believers. ‘They have to take offense, it is the only weapons they’ve got,’ Mr. Dawkins said as the first bus rolled through the streets of London. ‘They’ve got no arguments.’
Dawkins was overheard later saying, “Goda**it, why aren’t they pissed off? I mean…uh…”
Bishop on January 15, 2009 at 10:39 PM
Same guy. Goes by Yaweh as well…
Krydor on January 15, 2009 at 10:41 PM
Th UK’s religious leaders are a joke. They have bowed to Muslims and do not stand for anything. Maybe it’s because England has “lost” it’s religiosity long ago.
beththebaker on January 15, 2009 at 10:42 PM
It doesn’t hurt that there are so few practising Christians in the UK, either.
Damian G. on January 15, 2009 at 10:42 PM
An investigative & legal reporter for a major Chicago newspaper–atheist Lee Strobel–was annoyed. His wife had become a “Jesus freak”, & Lee felt it was his duty to use his abilities & the tools at his disposal to investigate this sect in order to free her from this delusion. But the more he looked into the facts, the less sure of himself he became, until he embraced the one faith he tried to destroy. Today he is a best-selling author & speaker.
jgapinoy on January 15, 2009 at 10:42 PM
Atheists are fine.
Activist fundamentalist atheists are not vexing – they are tedious.
Stephen M on January 15, 2009 at 10:42 PM
While down in Broward County FL the signs on the bus proclaim, “ISLAM: The Way of Life of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad.”
Who knew Abraham, Moses and Jesus were muslims?
PS: Paid for my CAIR
Bicyea on January 15, 2009 at 10:43 PM
Perhaps, he should start by offering up his theory on what, exactly, this statistical probability actually is.
The statement is so half-hearted and pseudo-scientific it gave me a genuine chuckle.
Saltysam on January 15, 2009 at 10:43 PM
Let them have their say. America for the forseeable future will remain a strong religious, yet open minded nation. And I think it’s a key in our greatness.
therightwinger on January 15, 2009 at 10:44 PM
Perhaps the religious have arguments? Maybe those folks should go back and read Aquinas, Augustine, Chesterton, Francis S. Collins, and C.S. Lewis
AbaddonsReign on January 15, 2009 at 10:44 PM
BTW, Josh McDowell has a similar story.
jgapinoy on January 15, 2009 at 10:45 PM
As alway the liberals get it wrong. Their actions and less than catchy slogans don’t enlighten people to their ideals. They show how silly their positions and stances really are.
Tommy_G on January 15, 2009 at 10:45 PM
You mean those with faith didn’t drop on the ground kicking and screaming like a two year old?
It’s a world gone mad…..
Hog Wild on January 15, 2009 at 10:47 PM
are you just ignorant, or a muslim apologist?
right4life on January 15, 2009 at 10:48 PM
Hmmmm, I think the same thing about the LGBTs and the PETAs and other such groups who seem to always have their panties in a twist about something.
TeeDee on January 15, 2009 at 10:48 PM
That seems to be a distinction without a difference.
jgapinoy on January 15, 2009 at 10:49 PM
Let ‘em hang it in Tehran…fools.
SouthernGent on January 15, 2009 at 10:49 PM
Like “Yes, Pecan!” from the other thread. Yikes.
jgapinoy on January 15, 2009 at 10:50 PM
Wrong.
Yaweh-God of the Bible. allah-god of the koran. Two different books. Two different messages. One God. One faux god.
katy on January 15, 2009 at 10:51 PM
Who knew Abraham, Moses and Jesus were muslims?
PS: Paid for my CAIR
Bicyea on January 15, 2009 at 10:43 PM
Well, you know, um, according to Muslims, their religion is the final (and perfect) revelation from God. SO, then, well, RETROACTIVELY, all the Abrahamic prophets (that includes Jesus, as Muslims are Unitarians) would be Muslim.
The history of the thing is absolutely fascinating.
Krydor on January 15, 2009 at 10:51 PM
I think they signs are a great opportunity for Christians to teach. People have questions about these things and the busses will bring them out and give people a reason to talk. Also to pass out videos like, oh say, The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel. It’s a pretty good video on the evidence that Christ did exist. You should check it out AP.
boomer on January 15, 2009 at 10:51 PM
Oh there is also The Case for a Creator. I haven’t seen that one yet though.
boomer on January 15, 2009 at 10:52 PM
The sign “There’s probably is no God–now stop worrying and enjoy your life”, seems like just so much projection.
In real life I don’t see many theists worrying about God sneaking up on them, or them not enjoying their lives. More like the other way around.
Itchee Dryback on January 15, 2009 at 10:52 PM
Well said.
Why get angry at a message we hear every day (if not as bluntly)?
jgapinoy on January 15, 2009 at 10:54 PM
One has to love how the organization had to “soften” its position statement in the advertisment because, under British law, they would have had to prove the truth of their statement:
As a pretty devout Catholic, I’m now wondering what would happen if my Church were to run an advertising campaign in Britain? Would the other shoe be on the…would the ill-fitting shoe…whatever.
unclesmrgol on January 15, 2009 at 10:54 PM
Yaweh is actually the God of the Israelites. You guys call that guy God, the Muslims call that guy Allah. The roots of all three religions come from Judaism.
Krydor on January 15, 2009 at 10:55 PM
Yes, & I told a little about Strobel’s background as an atheist at 10:42PM.
jgapinoy on January 15, 2009 at 10:56 PM
Islam is monotheistic. It has little else in common with Christianity.
Islam says Allah has no friends & you have to work to keep him from destroying you.
Christianity says God loved us so much that he gives us a chance to have our sins forgiven & our lives changed because Jesus suffered what we deserve.
jgapinoy on January 15, 2009 at 11:00 PM
Atheist conservative here.
Conservatism does not require a belief in a magic man in the sky. I don’t know where you all got that idea.
Seven Seas on January 15, 2009 at 11:01 PM
very true. the God of the Christians is Triune..allah is a singular entity..
right4life on January 15, 2009 at 11:03 PM
with friends like you….
right4life on January 15, 2009 at 11:03 PM
Wrong again. Yaweh was the God of the Hebrews and any sojourner that took His ways upon themselves which would include the arabs (or sons if Ishmael).
Again the koran was a completely distinguishable book from the Bible which had Biblical adaptations only.
katy on January 15, 2009 at 11:04 PM
Hell is an eternity of having to Bertrand Russell and Dawkins telling you how smart they are. They would regularly tell you that you couldn’t be in hell because they’d already proved there is no such place with frequent reminders that there are no turtles.
snaggletoothie on January 15, 2009 at 11:07 PM
Choosing life is not thumbing your nose at God. They pretend that God is dead or does not exist, but deep down in their heart they know otherwise. That’s what makes them so angry at God and his followers. Oh and “don’t worry and enjoy your life” isn’t too far from what Jesus preached in Matthew 6:33-4 and John 10:10. Polls are consistent: the ones who enjoy their lives most are followers of Christ.
Christian Conservative on January 15, 2009 at 11:07 PM
Sorry Mr. Dawkins to deflate your ego, because this really isn’t about God, it’s about you.
RobertInLexington on January 15, 2009 at 11:09 PM
AP, of course we’re not ruffled. We’re not like the Dawkins-type atheists who throw a fit over the most inconsequential mentions of God in public life.
Dawkins is projecting.
MedSchoolCatholic on January 15, 2009 at 11:12 PM
Who reads adverts – unless they have naked women on them?
OldEnglish on January 15, 2009 at 11:17 PM
That’s easy. It gives them something to hide behind and use as the rationale for some of their positions, like on gay marriage.
SnarkVader on January 15, 2009 at 11:19 PM
…and then, strangely, a bolt of lightning hit the front of the store.
PattyJ on January 15, 2009 at 11:21 PM
one of these days you’ll wish you could hide…
right4life on January 15, 2009 at 11:23 PM
With all due respect to your beliefs, “magic” is usually a reference to human control over the forces of nature. The nature of God’s work is usually referred to as a miracle.
Also, the concept of God, generally speaking, usually is a reference to the omnipotent, universal, all is one, almighty and powerful. Hardly a reference to a “man” in the sky.
I think we can get carried away with other people’s perceptions when we harbor prejudices and invoke stereotypes.
Saltysam on January 15, 2009 at 11:24 PM
Really now? Why would that be?
SnarkVader on January 15, 2009 at 11:24 PM
You haven’t read the Koran? Mohammad made sure that he had God make them all Muslim! There’s quite a long sura (Sura 4) proclaiming that the New Testament is a lie perpetrated upon the world by those who wrote it — Jesus was never crucified [it was a facsimile substituted by God], and that the doctrine of the Trinity (Jehovah’s Witnesses probably love this) is false because Jesus was only a prophet, and never the Son of God. All the prophets (including the prophet Jesus) embrace Islam.
unclesmrgol on January 15, 2009 at 11:25 PM
I’ll let you find that out for yourself….I like it when people learn things the hard way…
right4life on January 15, 2009 at 11:26 PM
In other words, you’re talking out of your ass.
SnarkVader on January 15, 2009 at 11:28 PM
at least my head isn’t up there…
right4life on January 15, 2009 at 11:29 PM
Well, consider the audience. The C of E isn’t all that keen on any kind of concrete doctrine anyway.
Asher on January 15, 2009 at 11:32 PM
I used to be an atheist till the incredible beauty and intrincacies of His creation overwhelmed me. I am a Christian because I believe in the grace and love our Creator has for us and that Christ is the Redeemer for our very human sins. It is a long journey and the path is narrow with many briars and pitfalls along the way but as long as you hold His hand you can manage them. Life is not meant to be a joy ride but a challenge and we need all the help we can get. When you seek His Grace you find the strength to get through even the hardest of times. Atheism provides none of that comfort, only cold, that leaves one angry and resentful as Dawkins illustrates so well.
goat on January 15, 2009 at 11:32 PM
Dawkins, Harris etc are just fundamentalist Atheists.
RobertInLexington on January 15, 2009 at 11:33 PM
A little sparring…
I like Buckley’s – you don’t have to have religion, but you can’t hate it.
Yes, we’re the heathens who just won’t accept that Islam fulfills our paltry religions. Mostly because we’ve got explicit textual warnings in the Bible against such happenings. And because their God is not our God (case in point: God isn’t both producing good and evil; theirs is.) But hey, it’s all the same. (And the books concerning the Hebrews/Israelites that called on Yahweh are…in the Bible.)
You don’t need God. You just need to use the thing He gave you: a brain. Gay marriage is, quite simply, extra-constitutional. For what reason should a state decide to give benefits,etc. clearly designed to assuage the imminent challenges of raising a family to two individuals that can’t, by definition, procreate? Madness.
emailnuevo on January 15, 2009 at 11:34 PM
Yawn.
SnarkVader on January 15, 2009 at 11:35 PM
I think he means Hell. I hope he doesn’t, and I chastise him if he does. You are wrong, though.
emailnuevo on January 15, 2009 at 11:35 PM
took you that long huh gomer??
right4life on January 15, 2009 at 11:36 PM
Then it’s time to stop all benefits for couples who either cannot have children or choose not to.
SnarkVader on January 15, 2009 at 11:36 PM
Gomer? Wow, that’s current. I don’t know if my ego can take such a witty retort.
SnarkVader on January 15, 2009 at 11:37 PM
why would you ‘chastise’ me? please. ever read in revelation where the lost will go into the caves to hide themselves?? and hope the rocks fall on them??? please.
right4life on January 15, 2009 at 11:37 PM
obviously you can’t or you wouldn’t have responded…duhhh.
right4life on January 15, 2009 at 11:38 PM
No, my pro Prop 8 position was motivated by what the gays would eventually do to the rest of us from a rights standpoint. I learned from the abortion issue that if you give someone rights who doesn’t believe as you believe, they will ultimately use that leverage to further restrict your rights. I can see a future where vouchers are denied people who would attend religious schools because the religions associated with those schools think homosexuality is a sin. That same future with regard to abortion is here in California now — there is no right of refusal based on conscience for pharmacists or nurses.
I’d rather keep my rights, thank you.
unclesmrgol on January 15, 2009 at 11:39 PM
you atheists are legends in your own minds, but thats about it…
right4life on January 15, 2009 at 11:39 PM
Go back to the sandbox, little boy. Maybe the big kids will let you use the shovel to dig yourself in a little deeper. The grownups will take it from here. You’re dismissed.
SnarkVader on January 15, 2009 at 11:40 PM
When did I say I was an atheist?
SnarkVader on January 15, 2009 at 11:40 PM
when are you atheists going to evolve some new lines?
right4life on January 15, 2009 at 11:41 PM
No. Infertile couples are the exceptions, anomalies; heterosexual couples, throughout all of the animal kingdom, procreate. Homosexual couples, throughout the same, do not. (Though I knew you’d play that card.)
Yes. I understand the theology, and I understand you. But I don’t wish such on anyone.
emailnuevo on January 15, 2009 at 11:41 PM
I hope I am not being offensive to anyone but I have to interject that they are not the same gods. Please explain Allah’s son to all of us from the Quran. Allah had no son and to infer one is blasphemous. The Bible as a historical document tells us the G_d of Abraham did have a son. His name was Jesus.
canditaylor68 on January 15, 2009 at 11:41 PM
its rather obvious. let me guess, you’re orthodox!!
right4life on January 15, 2009 at 11:42 PM
OK, take infertile couples out of the equation. What about couples who don’t want kids?
SnarkVader on January 15, 2009 at 11:42 PM
no, but do you just want to lie to people, and tell them ‘no worries’ everything will be ok???
right4life on January 15, 2009 at 11:42 PM
Wrong again. I believe in God. I don’t believe in organized religion. I don’t need marching orders.
SnarkVader on January 15, 2009 at 11:43 PM
talk about lame…why don’t you read what Kurtz wrote about gay marriage in the netherlands, and what it does to REAL marriage…
right4life on January 15, 2009 at 11:43 PM
uh right, everyone else is wrong, but you have the only NEW REVELATION….uh huh…
you have a god in your own image….just like the atheists…a distinction without a difference…
right4life on January 15, 2009 at 11:44 PM
Is it possible for you to make ANY post about gay marriage without mentioning your binky Kurtz? Gee, if only they allowed emoticons here. Maybe you could include some eye rolls.
SnarkVader on January 15, 2009 at 11:45 PM
Again, anomalies. Heterosexual couples reproduce; babies cost money. The whole point of the rights granted to married couples (and, by the way, the reason men used to make more than women) was for the growth of families, which is almost a given in heterosexual couples.
Got to run; I will now insert my Deity and say, God bless. (Better ring than good night and good luck.)
emailnuevo on January 15, 2009 at 11:45 PM
Another point is that believers have more to worry about than what some disgruntled angry atheist thinks like Dawkins and others.
goat on January 15, 2009 at 11:46 PM
I never said everyone else is wrong. I believe in God. I don’t believe in the church. Those are my beliefs and they work for me. Obviously, they don’t work for others.
SnarkVader on January 15, 2009 at 11:47 PM
Same to you, emailnuevo.
SnarkVader on January 15, 2009 at 11:47 PM
let me know when you publish something…until then…
right4life on January 15, 2009 at 11:48 PM
Publish something?
SnarkVader on January 15, 2009 at 11:49 PM
that was a reply for the following:
right4life on January 15, 2009 at 11:49 PM
since you think Kurtz is wrong….why don’t you do some research, publish it, and prove him wrong?
right4life on January 15, 2009 at 11:50 PM
And I could give you thousands of links to research that supports gay marriage. What’s your point?
SnarkVader on January 15, 2009 at 11:50 PM
Funny but it is precisely because there is a God that I stopped worrying and started enjoying my life.
Since He isn’t bossing anybody around, why do these people get so concerned about Him? If they’re right, it doesn’t matter. And if they’re wrong, it’ll be too late when they find out.
Illogical, they are.
platypus on January 15, 2009 at 11:50 PM
(Was about to close, thought I’d answer this.)
There is a load of difference between saying ‘everything’s alright, no worries’ and recognizing the imprint of God on every person. Realize that you were not worthy of the salvation given you by Christ, and you are more understanding of the flaws of the lost. They simply don’t understand.
People are wretched sinners. They deserve Hell, wrath, and judgment. But therefore, so do I. Without Christ, I am Snark.
God bless you both, and ‘nite.
emailnuevo on January 15, 2009 at 11:52 PM
And each link would have zero value.
The point is that you are a pervert. You cannot be “queer” or “gay” because there is no genetic basis for deviant sexual behavior. You call yourself that so that you can argue as if there was such a component because you do not want to admit the truth about yourself – that you choose to engage in perverted deviant sex AND you are desperate for approval from normal people (who you know are superior).
How’s that work for you? Recognize yourself?
platypus on January 15, 2009 at 11:57 PM
There’s a slight problem with your comment.
I’m not gay.
SnarkVader on January 16, 2009 at 12:02 AM
Yeah I suppose if you ignore all the complaints, then there have been no complaints!
BathTub on January 16, 2009 at 12:05 AM
The problem with American “Christianity” is the lack of persecution. Since it’s socially acceptable here to claim to have faith, imposters (Jesus called them “tares”) abound. In places where Christians are persecuted, you’ll only find the most devout proclaiming Jesus. There, no Christian will “like it” when people are judged for their sin.
I don’t know if right4life is an imposter or a real Christian, but I know he ought to love his enemies.
jgapinoy on January 16, 2009 at 12:06 AM
There have been THREE prior events in very recent memory that should have illicited the kind of uproar and commotion this attention whore would have LIKED to have been the focus of.
1: ‘Piss’ Christ
2: ‘Chocolate’ Jesus
3: ‘Elephant Dung’ Virgin Mary
All three events were created by, and sponsored by, attention whores. Just. Like. Him.
The attention the previous events received varied, but still, it was bit more or a little less what this nitwit illicited.
He’s obviously fouled up in the cranium, and not .01% of the intellectual he thinks he is. Otherwise, he’d have realized that while going for Christian uproar, all he would illicit is what he deserves, passing notice.
Now, if he were to substitute ‘God’ with ‘Allah’ or ‘Prophet Mohammad’, he’d be fleeing the country and into self-exile in search of safe haven… but I’m certain the the .01% intellect in him isn’t even that stupid.
FlatFoot on January 16, 2009 at 12:23 AM
Speakup on January 16, 2009 at 12:36 AM
And, uh, so why are they saying, “There is probably no God,” if they believe there is no God?
apacalyps on January 16, 2009 at 12:40 AM
AHAHAHAHAA. Take that, Allahpundit.
jimmy the notable on January 16, 2009 at 12:42 AM
WHy do we let this crap go on? Who’s the one person in the friggin crow getting all the rules changed just for little ole them? If they dont like god on things then leave!
johnnyU on January 16, 2009 at 12:59 AM
oops crowd
johnnyU on January 16, 2009 at 12:59 AM
“A young comedian took offense.”
Perfect, and just whose opinion I value most highly.
warbaby on January 16, 2009 at 1:01 AM
Richard Dawkins is a reactionary zealot who spends most of his time trying to pick fights with a group of people and a system of belief that he has trouble comprehending let alone understanding. Personally I hope the response they got from religious groups really burned his chaps because as it says in the bible “A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger”.
Dreadnought223 on January 16, 2009 at 1:04 AM
God does not exist. He is being itself beyond essence and existence. Therefore to argue that God exists is to deny him.
Tav on January 16, 2009 at 1:06 AM
I am not a crook.
~ Richard Nixon
I did not have sex with that woman.
~ Bill Clinton
Cheshire Cat on January 16, 2009 at 1:10 AM
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