Boehner on the stimulus: “Oh. My. God.”
posted at 5:30 pm on January 15, 2009 by Allahpundit
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Via Breitbart. Not as memorable as his assessment of the amnesty bill, but more than equal to the task.
They’re going to take their sweet time with deliberations, Hoyer assures us, but I’m not so sure that’s a good thing. The longer this drags on, the more ornaments get put on the tree. Exit quotation: “This product may undershoot the mark.”
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Good for him!
Look,, Dems understand a little sensationalism attached to lies can go a long way. Everyone knows that. But,, how much further will passion go armed with the truth!!
Even Goebbels stated that the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie! When you see someone about to fall off a cliff,, you probably would show a little passion when trying to save them! How much more passion needs to be displayed in saving an entire nation!
Just a side thought,,, I wonder how many middle of the road Germans voiced support for Hitler when he became Chancellor,,, hoping he would succeed??!
JellyToast on January 15, 2009 at 7:08 PM
Those presses will be printing on overtime now… just spend and spend and spend and soon, very soon, we will have ’stagflation’ in spades. And when you go to a bar, buy all the beers up front because their prices will go up over the course of an hour. Just like Germans did… during the 20’s, and they chose a charismatic fool with grandiose ideas to get them out of it.
You’ll need those beers.
Trust me on that.
ajacksonian on January 15, 2009 at 7:13 PM
I’m having one right now, but it’s not helpng much.
surrounded on January 15, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Thanks and I agree with you. Perhaps they will take it too far for us to fix the problems in my lifetime. But, we have also seen what happens when they move too fast as I think they are doing now. Remember Hillary’s health-care debacle in 1993. Not only was it a major failure, but it made the issue toxic for a long time.
genso on January 15, 2009 at 7:21 PM
So, let’s see. The Dems go wild with spending, cranking out pointless projects that do not generate future growth (like real businesses), and find that the only solution is increasing taxes to astronomical rates killing business and the middle class which, btw, always carry the burden.
Everyone shoulders the load except for guys like Geitner, Rangel and all the other elite tax cheats. But not you. No mistakes for you.
Don’t forget that while Rangel is re-writing the tax code he’ll make sure that all the wealthy elites have exemptions to offset any hikes that might alter their standard of living.
Cody1991 on January 15, 2009 at 7:22 PM
If we are fortunate, we will go the way of the Japanese in the 90’s. And, in doing so, expose these people for what they really are. I don’t think that there is nearly enough of a crisis to lead us down the 20’s Germany path.
Still…beers will be helpful.
genso on January 15, 2009 at 7:24 PM
Can Republicans start doing something…Anything…Please. What the hell is going on? It’s like they’ve lost any balls they once had over the past few years. Time to start fighting and quit being a bunch of wimps…Being demoralized by the media and the left. Let’s go. Jesus Christ.
therightwinger on January 15, 2009 at 7:32 PM
If we are fortunate, we will go the way of the Japanese in the 90’s. And, in doing so, expose these people for what they really are. I don’t think that there is nearly enough of a crisis to lead us down the 20’s Germany path.
Still…beers will be helpful.
genso on January 15, 2009 at 7:24 PM
Genso, I hope you’re right. However, I have my doubts. The Dems thrive on divisiveness, and creatures like Pelosi, Reid and Obama could care less what goes on in our world. They won’t even notice until things flare up. From what I’m seeing people are angry, frustrated and fed up. We’re ‘ground zero’, and these airy-fairy elites have no idea what’s brewing. That is what worries me.
Cody1991 on January 15, 2009 at 7:43 PM
That’s exactly what you have to count on, actually. If we non-elites get mad enough, the correction will begin in 2010. I really believe that there are more fiscal conservatives that will revolt in the next election than the Democrat machine can overcome. In fact, if Obama is as shrewd as his supporters think, expect him to veto this bill if it is passed without large Republican support.
genso on January 15, 2009 at 7:49 PM
the lemmings are going over the cliff and an occasional rational voice will make as much difference as pissin in the ocean.
notagool on January 15, 2009 at 8:03 PM
genso on January 15, 2009 at 7:49 PM
I hope you’re right. At the moment I feel so discouraged.
Cody1991 on January 15, 2009 at 8:09 PM
Don’t let yourself get discouraged. And, even if you are, don’t show it. It’s what they want. In fact, it’s what they are counting on.
genso on January 15, 2009 at 8:13 PM
Don’t let yourself get discouraged. And, even if you are, don’t show it. It’s what they want. In fact, it’s what they are counting on.
genso on January 15, 2009 at 8:13 PM
That’s true. I’m very much in touch with financial news because of my work, and what I’m seeing is staggering.
We need people who can articulate the fiscal conservative message, but I see no one doing that. It’s an educational process that will take much time.
Cody1991 on January 15, 2009 at 8:26 PM
I just went through the thirteen page summary, I’m speechless. I think there’s maybe one or two items that may have an infinitesimal positive effect on the economy. Boehner was being kind by just saying, oh my God.
lowandslow on January 15, 2009 at 8:38 PM
What we have now is complicated because of the sophistication built into the systems of regulations and tax laws. One could argue that it is a design that serves a larger government rather than the people represented by that government. But the fiscal conservative message is very simple to understand. Unfortunately, it may take a disaster like this to wake people up enough to listen to that message.
genso on January 15, 2009 at 8:40 PM
I read it myself. It should go without saying that the only way to fix this problem is the same way millions of families are having to do that now for themselves. The idiocy of what the government is doing is two-fold. They need people to start spending money again but they are taking actions that are scaring people into saving their money. By spending so much borrowed money on this stimulus, they are not only reducing the value of those savings but actually urging people to try to save more. If they would cut government spending and give tax cuts on top of that, then people, and businesses, would start spending again. It is simple. I will leave to you to determine is they are stupid or evil.
genso on January 15, 2009 at 8:47 PM
I am sorry
But HOW TOTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE
ARE OUR SO CALLED ELECTED LEADERS..
Honestly ALL of the democrats and half of the republicans
Remind me of
All the senators in purple robes in rome
Right before nero burned it to the ground..
they just dont get it do they..
America is almost broke..
(i say that because some have jobs but i wonder for how much longer)…
Illegals are piling in (some to escape their home land) and immidiatly ask for both free health care , schools and housing
So they just keep piling on pork for everyone (whom they think they can BUY their votes with)
I tell you this..
I didnt get my so called stimulis check
The irs is so screwed up they sent me a letter after 6 – 8 months saying here is the 6 dollars thats all we can give you..
I called them back up and told them to KEEP it..
Why bother..
There idiots couldnt run a prostution ring ..
let alone a country..
I am sorry but i know what will happen next..
As soon as the Gag messia is crowned
they will break the vault seals wide open and whatever is left
will be handed out to
news media who supported the leftists agenda
Big business who supported the leftists agenda
unions who supported the leftists agenda
laywers who supported the leftists agenda
illegals who supported the leftists agenda
communists who supported the leftists agenda
Islamic terrorists who supported the leftists agenda
hey when does osama bin laden get his bail out?
after all he is a poor muslim unemployed who needs medical attention and has a mental illness..
So he definatly is one who supported the leftists agenda
So i will bet you osama bin laden will get a stimulus check too and then a bail out for al-quedia..
jcila on January 15, 2009 at 9:02 PM
The Democrats are making it impossible to fund the Pentagon. They are going to empty the Treasury and when it comes to Defense appropriations, say “sorry, we don’t have the money”. Who will bail out the Pentagon?
The Democrat party is, at the moment, lead by the most idiotic crop of imbeciles I have ever seen. I suppose that reflects on our population at large putting them where they are.
crosspatch on January 15, 2009 at 9:25 PM
I’m not so sure about that. In 2004, many conservatives (including me) saw the election results and claimed it was the beginning of the end for the MSM. We were proved wrong in 06 and 08 in spades. Abandoning any pretense of objectivity, the press pushed Obama hard…and won.
And as we are seeing now, the MSM plans on being part of his permanent campaign. Can we really expect to break through this now that the MSM knows exactly how far they can push (ie no forgeries but all the spin they want)?
I am pretty dubious unless BO truly does bring our economy to its knees, a “solution” I don’t really want to see.
18-1 on January 15, 2009 at 9:58 PM
I think your analysis is completely correct. I have hunkered down since before Obama was elected, and I’m trying to save every penny.
Usually, I’m kind of a bellwether for the average person, so I know if I’m feeling like that, there are millions who are as well.
As for your question of “stupid or evil,” I am pretty certain they are evil, because I’m of the opinion that this whole thing is in order to break the country, and then to install total socialism, if not communism or totalitarianism, and that that plan has been in the works for some time, and many of our own leaders have been bought off or blackmailed into cooperation.
If it is not evil in that sense, then it is at least evil in the sense of looting. They are looting everything we have, and taking it to spread among themselves and their projects, which will employ themselves and their friends.
Oh – and since I am very, very angry about this (and this is new for me), because I am a pretty good bellwether, I think whoever said that those in Washington have no idea how fed up we are becoming out here is totally on target.
Alana on January 15, 2009 at 10:21 PM
I just went through a little stimulus package of my own. I just bought 20 Silver Eagles to add to my small but growing gold coil collection. I still have money in savings and a Mutual Fund. I’m wondering how much of that to spend on something with solid value instead of the pieces of paper I have with theoretical value which seem to be declining on a daily basis.
Yakko77 on January 15, 2009 at 10:22 PM
I can’t argue with anything you wrote.
lowandslow on January 15, 2009 at 10:28 PM
Be careful of collecting gold. Roosevelt confiscated all private gold by executive order. Since this seems like a replay of that crisis, it may not be prudent.
genso on January 15, 2009 at 10:59 PM
Well, given what you said about the media, it is, perhaps, the only thing that will stir enough for action. At least enough action to vote for fiscal conservatives in 2 years.
genso on January 15, 2009 at 11:01 PM
Love Boehner! I love my Senator, too. They are not alone. Check out some of the videos and radio interviews here.
It looks like Inhofe launched a YouTube channel, too.
Jim Inhofe Press Office
Fight on, Senators!!
Elektra on January 15, 2009 at 11:11 PM
I have a theory about what we call conservative and how we support candidates. I think the left has drawn us into a quagmire of defining conservatism by too many definitions. We are religious, but so are main-stream democrats. Yet, this aspect is used to demonize conservatives. We play into their hands by defending and drawing lines. You can see that the left doesn’t really have a problem with a President-Elect who claims God. In like manner, the NRA, the military, gays, et al.
And, because the left controls the media, we play a game that we can not win…by design. However, if we stood more on fiscal responsibility and supported only those fiscal conservatives who ran for office, I think that we could recruit sound candidates who would tend to the countries business and, basically stay out of our lives in other regards. Going forward, this tactic may be the only way to reduce the size of government.
genso on January 15, 2009 at 11:15 PM
OMG is right! What a bunch of parasites! God help us all.
hamer500 on January 15, 2009 at 11:30 PM
After reading your list, goat, I suddenly have the urge to gouge my eyeballs out with a pencil.
Does anyone besides me notice how ambiguous most of the items on this list are? If I ran my budget that way, I’d be living in a refrigerator box by next month.
And I thought things were gonna get all boring after the election…
uncivilized on January 15, 2009 at 11:30 PM
Fiscally conservative, socially liberal candidates tend to not do well in elections. Nixon, perhaps, was the last Republican president to fit this mold.
Overall, libertarianism polls well on internet chat rooms, and nowhere else. And I say this as someone would would like to see more libertarianism in our government.
Consider also the relative fates of CA prop 8 and MA prop 1. Social conservativism can win in the bluest states, economic conservativism does not appear to be able to.
And looking at lower level office holders – like for example the Gov of California – I don’t see a good track record on either cutting spending or reining in the reach of government for these economic conservatives.
18-1 on January 15, 2009 at 11:47 PM
Trying to take my gold will have the same result as trying to take my guns. Both are valuable and provide security and no govt is going to take either. No. Way. In. Hell.
Yakko77 on January 15, 2009 at 11:53 PM
It’s not just fiscal matters, it’s governing responsibly in all matters, something we’ve failed to do for the last decade. Certainly fiscal responsibility is the most glaring but it also has to do with immigration, energy, climate change, oversight in the financial sector, foreign affairs, etc. Everything, we just haven’t governed well and the lack of leadership in the GOP has been frightening.
lowandslow on January 15, 2009 at 11:53 PM
Oh – and since I am very, very angry about this (and this is new for me), because I am a pretty good bellwether, I think whoever said that those in Washington have no idea how fed up we are becoming out here is totally on target.
Alana on January 15, 2009 at 10:21 PM
Alana, I always enjoy your posts because you make sense.
People are fed up. The people I see are angry and confused. They aren’t politically sophisticated, but they do have common sense.
There is no room for the Dems to push before people start pushing back. The racial situation isn’t good, and it’s coming to a head.
Our government is so disconnected from the lives of those who elected them that I can barely comprehend their stupidity.
We cannot punish the middle classes forcing them to pay for more entitlement programs, and we can no longer punish those generations who have already paid for the “sins of the fathers.” It’s gone on too long, and it should never have happened to begin with. One thing ordinary folks understand is that they will ultimately be forced to pay the most.
We are also expected to take care of Mexico’s rejects without ever asking the critical question which is simply this, ‘Why should Mexico not be held accountable for its own citizens Why does no one ask this question?’ It’s madness. And it cannot go on much longer without reaching a boiling point.
Cody1991 on January 16, 2009 at 12:24 AM
All of you make reasonable responses (especially Yakko). The point is that as long as we are fractured and push more for social conservatism, the more we wind up with guys like McCain and Graham. Part of the problem with libertarians is that they push too hard on protectionism and some social issues like drug legalization. As for me, protectionism is a socialist stance and poor economics, and the legalization of drugs should be left to the states. Abortion is another issue that we can’t win on. The idea is abhorrent, but the real problem with it is the federal funding and lack of medical oversight. Take away the federal money for it and the numbers will plummet at least as much as trying to enforce a ban on it…which costs money.
As for what has happened in the past in elections, I feel that this financial crisis and the ensuing attempt at socialization will wake up a lot of people to more responsible government. If this happens, we have to be prepared to leave the trivial out of our agenda.
genso on January 16, 2009 at 12:32 AM
Cody, the immigration reform is going to happen because this is the only way our “leaders” see to solve the declining workforce/social security bankruptcy problem. They don’t have enough political courage to cut payouts, raise the SS deductions, and reduce other entitlements to fix it, so they want to legalize millions of young wage earners to fill the coffers again. It is also a way, by bankrupting the state-supported healthcare system, for the to nationalize it.
genso on January 16, 2009 at 12:40 AM
genso on January 16, 2009 at 12:40 AM
Yes, I understand the illegal amnesty aspect to increasing the taxpayer base. What make no sense is what it costs to the healthcare system.
In the end my cynical view is that this is yet another way in which pols hope to buy a voting block with our money. It just depends on who can offer the most to get them.
Cody1991 on January 16, 2009 at 12:59 AM
I feel your pain. It’s a tragic thing to see your nation that you love, work to make better, serve and defend go through tough times despite everything you have done to make it better. That’s what’s hardest I think is that it’s the incompetence and corruption of a relative few in positions of power that have brought so much harm to this nation. Sometimes many, even a small majority of the people (or sheeple in this case) willingly allow these people to inflict this harm on us either through ignorance or blind devotion to failed ideals and causes. It’s up to true believing Americans like you, I and so many others here on HA to keep the faith and fight the good fight. Vote, speak out for our traditional values and teach them to our children, support our armed forces, etc. America lives on inside us I would like to think but I would also like it to continue when I step outside my front door. I’m rather fond of this country and I’m not quite ready to see her go away just yet.
We as a nation have been through tough times before and have come through and hopefully this one will be no different and we’ll be stronger for it.
Yakko77 on January 16, 2009 at 2:19 AM
A good question deserves a good answer.
That question most certainly should have been a popular thesis in post-War Germany.
The contemporary assessment at this point from witnesses is disappearing into dust.
Personal journals would indicate only one opinion at a time, though convincingly. What the German Zeitungs recorded would only reflect what propaganda their publishers wanted to promote. But even that would be of interest when comparing the zeitgeist of late 1930s to mid-1940s. German immigrants who made it to America to escape the socialist revolutions in Germany during the 1930s were anti-Hitler. Those who had nothing to lose by leaving for hope in America left behind those who had material reasons to stay.
The comparison with Weltkaiser Obama Wannabe will be interesting to note.
The way to prevent demoralization during Obama’s rule is in preparation. Be prepared. Conservatives know the conservative platform and agenda, and which leaders actually promote conservatism. Prepare a functional existence accordingly, and ready for strategic battles with tactical maneuvers to put the wrench in Obama’s Werks while promoting conservatism: the living energy.
maverick muse on January 16, 2009 at 7:02 AM
Yep. There are only three ways to find all this money Obambi and the Dems want to spend: tax it, borrow it, or print it.
They might go back to the 90% marginal tax rate of the ’60s (”tax the rich”), but that won’t generate the cash; it’ll just kill incentive.
The Chinese aren’t going to lend us much more than they have, and will be sorely tempted to call in their chits any time now.
So they’ll turn to the printing presses. Better buy a wheelbarrow; you’ll need it to carry your lunch money to work—if you can find a job.
MrLynn on January 16, 2009 at 9:01 AM
When we get some more of that global-warming shit, cause it’s like -15 here
UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on January 16, 2009 at 5:40 PM
Red State State of Mind on January 16, 2009 at 7:29 PM
Haven’t really checked Boehner’s record out but maybe he needs to consider a senate run to prepare for a run a President. I like what I’ve seen so far.
Kevin in Southern Illinois on January 16, 2009 at 9:10 PM
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